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So I've been thinking they're pretty much equal but I'm curious of opinions.

Basically the question is did Hulk lose his WWHulk powerup after Pak left and he stopped being genius Hulk? And if not, what personality would prevail in a fight?

I was thinking Waid and things based off Waid's Hulk for Indestructible. Slip Aaron's Hulk in there if you feel like it. The limit is the Doc Green series.

For WWHulk it's Planet Hulk to basically when Pak left, and writers basing it off his persona. No Savage Loeb Hulk. No Worldbreaker either.

No BFR. Fight to KO. They start the fight in a... I don't know, a giant tampon but they can go anywhere after.

Who wins?

Greenscar is more powerful but Indestructible Hulk, even after Pak was being called World Breaker. That name has stuck with him.

What is the best durability feat for Indestructible Hulk?

Having the weight of a sun on him and tanking an ongoing attack that can melt adamantium. Tanking a weapon that can rip matter on a subatomic level.

pretty damn equal imo....indestr had better speed feats though, so, IH for the blitz win.

Originally posted by carver9
Having the weight of a sun on him

Just to ask....Where was the Hulk when this happened?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Just to ask....Where was the Hulk when this happened?

http://s20.postimg.org/3pt16f32l/Hulk_Tanks_Weight_of_Star_Infinity_006_002.jpg

In the next panel:

http://s20.postimg.org/7oq8p8rpp/Hulk_Tanks_Weight_of_Star_Infinity_006_003.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
tanking an ongoing attack that can melt adamantium.

This never happened, though.

Yes, it did. Numerous of people have went against you on this. I'm not debating the topic again, but, you can believe what you want.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, it did. Numerous of people have went against you on this. I'm not debating the topic again, but, you can believe what you want.

Lol, numerous? Who?

Here is the thread. So others can see how you are lying RIGHT now.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=573795&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, numerous? Who?

Here is the thread. So others can see how you are lying RIGHT now.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=573795&pagenumber=2



That isn't the only thread we discussed that in. We discussed it in the respect thread as well when it was posted along with numerous of other threads. I'm not debating that topic anymore, believe what you want buddy. Hulk resisted an adamantium melting weapon (lol, and you switched your argument so much about that scene that I don't even know what you were arguing anymore).

Originally posted by carver9


That isn't the only thread we discussed that in. We discussed it in the respect thread as well when it was post along with numerous of other threads. I'm not debating that topic anymore, believe what you want buddy. Hulk resisted an adamantium melting weapon (lol, and you switched your argument so much about that scene that I don't even know what you were arguing anymore).

Then post the numerous people who went against me.

My argument is the same as it always was.

Mad Thinker's weapon was inspired by Ultron's QM (his words). Does not mean it is actually capable of doing it. I made a toy out of an LED torch and a piece of piping - it was inspired by Star Wars lightsabres. Does not mean that my toy = a real life sabre.

Mad Thinker is smart, true. Ultron-level? No. In the same way, his tech is not = Ultron.

Therefore, the weapon he used against Hulk, whilst powerful, does not mean that it is the same.

PS: Post the Bishop scene.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then post the numerous people who went against me.

My argument is the same as it always was.

Mad Thinker's weapon was inspired by Ultron's QM (his words). Does not mean it is actually capable of doing it. I made a toy out of an LED torch and a piece of piping - it was inspired by Star Wars lightsabres. Does not mean that my toy = a real life sabre.

Mad Thinker is smart, true. Ultron-level? No. In the same way, his tech is not = Ultron.

Therefore, the weapon he used against Hulk, whilst powerful, does not mean that it is the same.

PS: Post the Bishop scene.

Ok.

By the way, you started your argument off by saying that Mad Thinker was talking about regular 'metal', not adamantium. Then you circled and brought up the capabilities of the weapon. Anyways...believe what you want.

Just know that Hulk resisted an adamantium melting weapon.

Such as?

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, it did. Numerous of people have went against you on this. I'm not debating the topic again, but, you can believe what you want.

Matter manipulation resistance feat =/= durability feat.

Hulk's always been resistant to matter manipulation. And the weapon was only inspired by Ultron's mechanism.

I think Hulk wins here. My boy takes this solidly.

-Biggest Hulk fan eva

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Matter manipulation resistance feat =/= durability feat.

Hulk's always been resistant to matter manipulation. And the weapon was only inspired by Ultron's mechanism.

Why doesn't resisting Matter Man not equal a durability showing?

Because it's a specific trait. Not a sheer toughness. You won't be turning Dr Strange into a frog for example, but you can still knock his teeth out (if his auto-shields happen to malfunction).

It's one of those weird things about the Hulk. Same with seeing ghosts/astral projections.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Because it's a specific trait. Not a sheer toughness. You won't be turning Dr Strange into a frog for example, but you can still knock his teeth out (if his auto-shields happen to malfunction).

It's one of those weird things about the Hulk. Same with seeing ghosts/astral projections.



True.

i don't know what carv and saint are arguing about, but i've seen carv wtfpwn saint enough times to know it DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SAINT THINKS! i agree with carver.

Lol..Leo, what we are arguing about right now, you partaked in it a while back. You didn't say a lot but you did give an opinion that I highly agreed with.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
So I've been thinking they're pretty much equal but I'm curious of opinions.

Basically the question is did Hulk lose his WWHulk powerup after Pak left and he stopped being genius Hulk? And if not, what personality would prevail in a fight?

I was thinking Waid and things based off Waid's Hulk for Indestructible. Slip Aaron's Hulk in there if you feel like it. The limit is the Doc Green series.

For WWHulk it's Planet Hulk to basically when Pak left, and writers basing it off his persona. No Savage Loeb Hulk. No Worldbreaker either.

No BFR. Fight to KO. They start the fight in a... I don't know, a giant tampon but they can go anywhere after.

Who wins? WWH wins I believe.

Doc Green could make it an interesting fight through ingenuity and mixing in some martial arts but while Extremis-enhanced Doc Green could very well have been smarter at his peak than WWH, he didn't really learn his martial arts until that intelligence started deteriorating. So hard to say what either offers in a brawl.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol..Leo, what we are arguing about right now, you partaked in it a while back. You didn't say a lot but you did give an opinion that I highly agreed with.

so, basically i'm agreeing with myself? excellent. i approve this stance.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, basically i'm agreeing with myself? excellent. i approve this stance.

Saddening.

your face is saddening. sneer

Originally posted by carver9
Having the weight of a sun on him and tanking an ongoing attack that can melt adamantium. Tanking a weapon that can rip matter on a subatomic level.

If he is this durable then WWH should be unable to inflict any damage.

Originally posted by Surtur
If he is this durable then WWH should be unable to inflict any damage.

WWH has better fts though.

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't know what carv and saint are arguing about, but i've seen carv wtfpwn saint enough times to know it DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SAINT THINKS! i agree with carver. I see what you are doing . Going to have to say WWH here

Originally posted by carver9
WWH has better fts though.

Feats showing he can damage people more durable then adamantium who can also withstand the weight of millions of planets?

Hard to compare but I think it's obvious Green Scar/Gravage Hulk incarnation was more powerful overall he was angrier than ever, but strictly based on feats Indestructible probably takes it. He took on the timestream itself and won, it's hard to top that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://s20.postimg.org/3pt16f32l/Hulk_Tanks_Weight_of_Star_Infinity_006_002.jpg

In the next panel:

http://s20.postimg.org/7oq8p8rpp/Hulk_Tanks_Weight_of_Star_Infinity_006_003.jpg

That's a pretty interesting feat. I always thought it was simply forged from a star. Could it a hyperbolic statement? Looks pretty legit to me.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's a pretty interesting feat. I always thought it was simply forged from a star. Could it a hyperbolic statement? Looks pretty legit to me.

Same, hence why I posted the next scan (in the link). I'm going to take it as legit gospel.

Well since apparently he isn't more durable then adamantium it is hard to say if he can resist all damage here then.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Same, hence why I posted the next scan (in the link). I'm going to take it as legit gospel.

True. Oftentimes characters make grandiose claims though. He didn't seem to be resisting that weapon that could cut atoms too well either but meh. This is a difficult match to gauge since both would eventually reach the same cap at almost equal timespans. Almost wanna say stalemate

Originally posted by Sin I AM
True. Oftentimes characters make grandiose claims though. He didn't seem to be resisting that weapon that could cut atoms too well either but meh. This is a difficult match to gauge since both would eventually reach the same cap at almost equal timespans. Almost wanna say stalemate

Of course you would say that. Her spear was made out of wood and had the weight of a building.

Originally posted by carver9
Of course you would say that. Her spear was made out of wood and had the weight of a building.

What are you crying about ? Didn't i JUST say it was a legit showing. Take the cum outta your eyes and read sheesh

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What are you crying about ? Didn't i JUST say it was a legit showing. Take the cum outta your eyes and read sheesh

Out of all the things I can have in my eyes, why did it have to be cum?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Take the cum outta your eyes



Sin for the KMC President!

Originally posted by carver9
Out of all the things I can have in my eyes, why did it have to be cum?

You bore me carver.

Anyway have they expanded on the extremis thing? Does hulk have esoteric abilities we haven't seen?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You bore me carver.

Anyway have they expanded on the extremis thing? Does hulk have esoteric abilities we haven't seen?

No but he did add teleportation to his skill set along with martial arts. Overall, he's still Hulk.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Take the cum outta your eyes and read sheesh
http://media1.giphy.com/media/TnN8ei3cMolpu/giphy.gif

Carver is like Gregory from The Walking Dead. He's had it coming.

Originally posted by carver9
No but he did add teleportation to his skill set along with martial arts. Overall, he's still Hulk.

Sounds like plot driven shite not consistent with the characters history. How's his character development going?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Sounds like plot driven shite not consistent with the characters history. How's his character development going?

He's been using it consistently though, more times than i can count...so I don't see it as plot driven.

seeing what Indestructible Hulk can do by the look of feats from this thread.

He might take out WWH IMO.

Originally posted by carver9
He's been using it consistently though, more times than i can count...so I don't see it as plot driven.

Consistent in regards to the characters history not the current arc carver. How long have u been reading hulk?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Consistent in regards to the characters history not the current arc carver. How long have u been reading hulk?

Thought you were talking about Doc Hulk. Of course what I told you isn't consistent with Hulk history...lol. Hulk wasn't always this smart either.

Hmmm...his intelligence reduced his strength though. Which is the way it SHOULD be given his origin. It's nonsensical to have a rage monster maintain his intelligence. Completely contradictory and goes against his history. But it's comics so meh, i only read the stuff looking for good stories not feats which is now the norm.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm...his intelligence reduced his strength though. Which is the way it SHOULD be given his origin. It's nonsensical to have a rage monster maintain his intelligence. Completely contradictory and goes against his history. But it's comics so meh, i only read the stuff looking for good stories not feats which is now the norm.

Don't know if his strength has been reduced. The guy has shook the planet 3 times in almost every last one of his fist fights. Then he ripped Adamantium apart with ease. One shot koed an amped Ironman while walking through his attack with ease. Then he ripped his armor to shreds (lol and Ironman said this guy could juggle suns). He then tanked a city being thrown at him and withstood sonics that had enough power to power up a continent. This Hulk is insane but WWH is just, better.

By the way, the story is good.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know if his strength has been reduced. The guy has shook the planet 3 times in almost every last one of his fist fights. Then he ripped Adamantium apart with ease. One shot koed an amped Ironman while walking through his attack with ease. Then he ripped his armor to shreds (lol and Ironman said this guy could juggle suns). He then tanked a city being thrown at him and withstood sonics that had enough power to power up a continent. This Hulk is insane but WWH is just, better.

That's cool. Seems featcentric but cool although juggling suns seems hyperbolic

It is hyperbole. Also, it's Hulk...he is meant to have strength fts since that is his thing ya know.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm...his intelligence reduced his strength though. Which is the way it SHOULD be given his origin. It's nonsensical to have a rage monster maintain his intelligence. Completely contradictory and goes against his history. But it's comics so meh, i only read the stuff looking for good stories not feats which is now the norm. Why do you think intelligence reduced Doc Green's strength?

His complete intellect wrapping around the fact that Tony Stark had betrayed him (before it turned out to be untrue) probably made Doc Green angrier with him than if dumb ole Savage Hulk had just been slapped around by Iron Man.

Also, he never ripped adamantium. Carver lies.

The beautiful, beautiful thread where Carver goes WWCarver, and takes on the forum.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=608750&pagenumber=2

It goes on for a few pages, on what ripping tinfoil is like. Glorious.

Unfortunately for WWCarver, PIS was off for the forum. So he died.

Tore adamantium like it was nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
Tore adamantium like it was nothing.

Post the scan?

Originally posted by ODG
Why do you think intelligence reduced Doc Green's strength?

His complete intellect wrapping around the fact that Tony Stark had betrayed him (before it turned out to be untrue) probably made Doc Green angrier with him than if dumb ole Savage Hulk had just been slapped around by Iron Man.
Sounds as though she means it took him longer to get angry whereas otoh Savage Hulk would go from 0 - 100 in moments. *shrug*

It often took huge motivation to make Doc highly enraged, though his rage fits certainly weren't "weaker" or "lesser" than the Hulk that preceeded him.

If anything being able to think rationally while being that enraged makes him more dangerous, he should realistically be able to make himself as angry (and as powerful) as he needs WWH/HOTM style. Only thing Doc really lacks is ruthlessness.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Sounds as though she means it took him longer to get angry whereas otoh Savage Hulk would go from 0 - 100 in moments. *shrug*

It often took huge motivation to make Doc highly enraged, though his rage fits certainly weren't "weaker" or "lesser" than the Hulk that preceeded him.

If anything being able to think rationally while being that enraged makes him more dangerous, he should realistically be able to make himself as angry (and as powerful) as he needs WWH/HOTM style. Only thing Doc really lacks is ruthlessness.

Not to mention, WWH was pretty damn intelligent as well. And was super strong. Whilst intelligence USED to be inverse to his anger (see Mindless Hulk), that was because more of Banner was being asserted, at the expense of Hulk.

Now, all that's happened is the Hulk persona is getting more intelligent, and he is focussing his anger.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The beautiful, beautiful thread where Carver goes WWCarver, and takes on the forum.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=608750&pagenumber=2

It goes on for a few pages, on what ripping tinfoil is like. Glorious.

Unfortunately for WWCarver, PIS was off for the forum. So he died.

It was a glorious thread indeed.

Choice quotes. Not edited.

Originally posted by carver9
Its amazing that you think metal rips.

Originally posted by carver9
I am about to go in the kitchen and see if I can make tin foil make the ripping noise.

Originally posted by carver9
I tried ripping metal...just wouldn't work for me.

Glorious. It was then I realised, carver was my special buddy.

I remember as if it was yesterday.

We need to make a carver respect thread, full of links for epic threads.

^ that....would be the most awesome thing in the forum. someone's gotta get on that.

Lol damn I missed that

Hulk ripped adamantium?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hulk ripped adamantium? Click the link you will see that ripping makes a "pop" sound in the carververse

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hulk ripped adamantium?

According to carver, he didnt, because you cannot rip metal.....

Originally posted by ODG
Why do you think intelligence reduced Doc Green's strength?

His complete intellect wrapping around the fact that Tony Stark had betrayed him (before it turned out to be untrue) probably made Doc Green angrier with him than if dumb ole Savage Hulk had just been slapped around by Iron Man.

Just seen this. What are u talking about? Maybe u misread. Im saying his intelligence SHOULD go down the angrier he gets. Since hulk is the epitome of a rage monster the madder he gets the less likely he should have the ability to form rational thoughts.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hulk ripped adamantium?

Yes he broke it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


I remember as if it was yesterday.

We need to make a carver respect thread, full of links for epic threads.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes he broke it.

And adamantium makes a pop noise when you break it.

@Sin: IOW, he never did, only in the Carververse.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And adamantium makes a pop noise when you break it.

@Sin: IOW, he never did, only in the Carververse.

No...metal make rip noises (lol).

Originally posted by carver9
Yes he broke it.

Scan?

Even after proving metal does rip this guy is still going strong

Originally posted by carver9
No...metal make rip noises (lol).

Glad we agree

Guess who else agrees? Morlun.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3298780-9464242736-22891.png

Adamantium netting vs Adamantium arm. Metal doesn't rip. It does not rip. Would you tell someone to go rip a metal pole? Are you crazy? One instance doesn't count for everything. Metal does not rip. Do you understand this. Paper rip, metal doesn't. I'm off the topic because it's boring. Hulk snatched off Ultron adamantium arm. You don't think he did this? Ok, you can disagree. You disputing my comment will not change my opinion since I do not think metal rip. Glad that's out of the way.

Some threads should never die.

Originally posted by carver9
Adamantium netting vs Adamantium arm. Metal doesn't rip. It does not rip. Would you tell someone to go rip a metal pole? Are you crazy? One instance doesn't count for everything. Metal does not rip. Do you understand this. Paper rip, metal doesn't. I'm off the topic because it's boring. Hulk snatched off Ultron adamantium arm. You don't think he did this. Ok, you can disagree. You disputing my comment will not change my opinion since I do not think metal rip. Glad that's out of the way.

So metal pops? The net was made of adamantium. Of metal. It ripped, whether you like it or not. Would you tell someone to go pop a metal pole? Are you crazy?

Post another time 'POP' was used to denote breaking metal. Just one. Use DC, Marvel, Image, Dark Horse, anything you like. Even manga, if you want. Nice and easy for you. Pre Crisis, Marvel 1950s comics, whatever you want.

Edit: the Doc Green scan is given even less credence as it's the shoulder joint - notorious for being able to be popped out, as it's a ball and socket.

Daredevil ripped Ultron's head off!

First ribs now this best 4th of July ever

Originally posted by carver9
Adamantium netting vs Adamantium arm. Metal doesn't rip. It does not rip. Would you tell someone to go rip a metal pole? Are you crazy? One instance doesn't count for everything. Metal does not rip. Do you understand this. Paper rip, metal doesn't. I'm off the topic because it's boring. Hulk snatched off Ultron adamantium arm. You don't think he did this? Ok, you can disagree. You disputing my comment will not change my opinion since I do not think metal rip. Glad that's out of the way.

Have you ever seen aluminium?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Have you ever seen aluminium?

So you think an adamantium arm would make ripping noise?

A net is nothing but a network of poles. Morlun ripped those metal poles apart.

Now, you'll say those are thin poles. But they're adamantium. Wolverine's claws are nothing more than incredibly thin poles (especially at the tip). They're pretty damn strong.

Anybody have the scan on hand preferably not a Canadian?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Anybody have the scan on hand preferably not a Canadian?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111176815/4335399-1257156342-40275.jpg

Originally posted by iceman24567
Anybody have the scan on hand preferably not a Canadian?

Did you want this?

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23490270_4335399-1257156342-40275.jpg

And I got ninja'd.

Thanks Hulk be rippin

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111176815/4335399-1257156342-40275.jpg

Cool scan

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know if his strength has been reduced. The guy has shook the planet 3 times in almost every last one of his fist fights. Then he ripped Adamantium apart with ease. One shot koed an amped Ironman while walking through his attack with ease. Then he ripped his armor to shreds (lol and Ironman said this guy could juggle suns). He then tanked a city being thrown at him and withstood sonics that had enough power to power up a continent. This Hulk is insane but WWH is just, better.

Did IronMan really say that???? Goodness me!

lmao