Juggernaut VS Apocalypse
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Dareangel
No bfr. who wins this?
riv6672
Split.
I dont think either can put the other down with any permanency.
I could be wrong.
Dareangel
i see. what do you believe will happen if juggernaut just lay on top of apocalypse and start moving forward. what will happen? i mean he is unstoppable and all
Dareangel
what? he is unstoppable so be original with his powers
emu
Originally posted by Dareangel
i see. what do you believe will happen if juggernaut just lay on top of apocalypse and start moving forward. what will happen? i mean he is unstoppable and all lol
StiltmanFTW
It reminds me of this post:
Originally posted by Dareangel
in case you believe someone is going to get bfr'd, juggernaut also wraps his legs around thanoses waist. they are headbutting head to head until someone goes down. who wins
emu
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It reminds me of this post: lol.
Staying on topic, Apocolypse gets impregnated 5.5/10

carver9
Originally posted by Dareangel
i see. what do you believe will happen if juggernaut just lay on top of apocalypse and start moving forward. what will happen? i mean he is unstoppable and all

leonidas
apoc physically handled hulk just fine. given th nature of his powers, he'd get jugg's helmet off at some point and mindrape him ftw more often than not. physical power doesn't really pose much of a threat to apoc anyway. not if he's using his powers correctly as he should in a vs match. /shrug
StiltmanFTW
His telepathic abilities are... inconsistent, to say the least.
zopzop
Originally posted by Dareangel
i see. what do you believe will happen if juggernaut just lay on top of apocalypse and start moving forward. what will happen? i mean he is unstoppable and all Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It reminds me of this post:
Originally posted by Dareangel
in case you believe someone is going to get bfr'd, juggernaut also wraps his legs around thanoses waist. they are headbutting head to head until someone goes down. who wins
Dear God.............

emu
Originally posted by leonidas
apoc physically handled hulk just fine. given th nature of his powers, he'd get jugg's helmet off at some point and mindrape him ftw more often than not. physical power doesn't really pose much of a threat to apoc anyway. not if he's using his powers correctly as he should in a vs match. /shrug Celestial tech has performed well against Juggernaut. Pretty much agree.
Now wait till Dareangel innocently asks how long it takes for Apocalypse to get Juggernauts helmet off.
carver9
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It reminds me of this post:
I screamed out laughing at that when I first saw it.
leonidas
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His telepathic abilities are... inconsistent, to say the least.
def true, but still, it's there. besides, as was pointed out, celestial tech>jugg anyway, as was proven by war hulk. who was clearly superior to war WORLD hulk....

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
def true, but still, it's there.
Any example of Apoc using a tp attack on anyone?
Current Juggernaut is immune to tp, btw.
Stoic
Originally posted by leonidas
def true, but still, it's there. besides, as was pointed out, celestial tech>jugg anyway, as was proven by war hulk. who was clearly superior to war WORLD hulk....
Apocalypse didn't give the Hulk anything that he hadn't already possessed as seen during the Heart of the Monster. The tech only allowed for the Hulk to focus his power to a degree that he was up until that point unable to do as quickly.
StiltmanFTW
He stopped the Juggernaut, had some weird tentacles and seemed to be sure his sword could bypass Cain's invulnerability...
Stoic
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He stopped the Juggernaut, had some weird tentacles and seemed to be sure his sword could bypass Cain's invulnerability...
Sword, tentacles, armor. I know, but Apocalypse didn't remake the Hulk, he just gave him a means to reach a height of power that he was unable to gain as easily in all of his history. However, the Green Scar surpassed War's power level. Even when holding back, he was able to slow Cain's advance to a near standstill, and he did it far quicker than War was able to. War was plowed through what seemed to have nearly been a mile before War finally brought him to a near stop.
From what I recall, Cain really didn't push the Green Scar more than a few meters. Anyway, back to the topic. Apoc probably wins this through exploitation considering all of the tricks that he has up his sleeve. Then again you stated that Cain has no weakness to TP these days, so that changes things.... Hmmm, I take it back, Cain probably wins this, or they stalemate until one of them gets bored.
mighty adam
Originally posted by Stoic
Sword, tentacles, armor. I know, but Apocalypse didn't remake the Hulk, he just gave him a means to reach a height of power that he was unable to gain as easily in all of his history. However, the Green Scar surpassed War's power level. Even when holding back, he was able to slow Cain's advance to a near standstill, and he did it far quicker than War was able to. War was plowed through what seemed to have nearly been a mile before War finally brought him to a near stop.
From what I recall, Cain really didn't push the Green Scar more than a few meters. Anyway, back to the topic. Apoc probably wins this through exploitation considering all of the tricks that he has up his sleeve. Then again you stated that Cain has no weakness to TP these days, so that changes things.... Hmmm, I take it back, Cain probably wins this, or they stalemate until one of them gets bored. green scar was getting beat and had to bfr juggs wtf are you smoking. Whats next you gonna say green scar got the better of ghost rider in that wwhulk. when ghost rider had him layed out in a crater full of flames dont be a green tard troll theres too many already....
StiltmanFTW
Gage elaborated on the subject and said that Hulk didn't stop Cain in WWH, iirc. It was a strength contest.
leonidas
yeah, i agree (though i was half kidding about hulks). war had something additional that let him stop and push juggs back.
anyway, feats for apoc's tp--not too many in the offensive category, as i'm sure you know, but i'm sure you're aware he's battled jean a couple times and done well, he even controlled her in that terrible mini where they went back in time to london. he has a couple really good tk feats there too. and of course his battle with xavier and jean. he's controlled people, read minds and can match jean and xavier in battle. that speaks to some solid psi powers in my book. /shrug
all that is apparently meaningless though since, he's immune to tp now? how'd that happen? is he at full powers as well?
i still think this would be apoc's to lose, or it would be a stalemate. strength (as shown when apoc faced thor) wouldn't be too far about. apoc has some uber durability feats and it just too smart and versatile imo not to win this in the end.
Stoic
Originally posted by mighty adam
green scar was getting beat and had to bfr juggs wtf are you smoking. Whats next you gonna say green scar got the better of ghost rider in that wwhulk. when ghost rider had him layed out in a crater full of flames dont be a green tard troll theres too many already....
Take it easy killer. Green Scar held back the entire time. Do you even know what the plot of the story was? Learn how to read, and if you can read, learn how to accept the things that were written into canon. The Green Scar Hulk's durability soared with his strength level, which he had full control of (fact). He dialed it way back because of plot (read it for yourself). If you didn't like the way it was written, perhaps you should troll the writers. Then again, maybe you're one of those people that get your information from the superhero respect section on these forums or some wiki, and actually failed to read the full story. But by all means continue onward with the clueless stance and rage on.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Gage elaborated on the subject and said that Hulk didn't stop Cain in WWH, iirc. It was a strength contest.
My point was that he slowed him down a lot faster than War did. Cain was unable to push the Green Scar backwards the way that he pushed War (like a farm plow), which indicated to me that the Green Scar was more powerful than War Hulk was (something that seemed extremely logical to me). Not to mention that held back the entire time (canon). This isn't really something that can be argued since all of the work was done by the same writer in the same era, and later proven beyond a shadow of doubt during the Heart of the Monster.
This entire thing about the Hulk is derailing the threads topic. I think that Apocalypse would either stalemate, or lose if he is unable to exploit some kind of weakness in Cain.
carver9
Hulk has always held back, during his entire career. All of his high ends are from a Hulk that is tremendously holding almost all of his power back for the safety of the planet.
mighty adam
Originally posted by Stoic
Take it easy killer. Green Scar held back the entire time. Do you even know what the plot of the story was? Learn how to read, and if you can read, learn how to accept the things that were written into canon. The Green Scar Hulk's durability soared with his strength level, which he had full control of (fact). He dialed it way back because of plot (read it for yourself). If you didn't like the way it was written, perhaps you should troll the writers. Then again, maybe you're one of those people that get your information from the superhero respect section on these forums or some wiki, and actually failed to read the full story. But by all means continue onward with the clueless stance and rage on.
My point was that he slowed him down a lot faster than War did. Cain was unable to push the Green Scar backwards the way that he pushed War (like a farm plow), which indicated to me that the Green Scar was more powerful than War Hulk was (something that seemed extremely logical to me). Not to mention that held back the entire time (canon). This isn't really something that can be argued since all of the work was done by the same writer in the same era, and later proven beyond a shadow of doubt during the Heart of the Monster.
This entire thing about the Hulk is derailing the threads topic. I think that Apocalypse would either stalemate, or lose if he is unable to exploit some kind of weakness in Cain. did ghost rider not deem hulk a innocent and leave after he laid his big retarded ass out? Did dr strange not say ghost rider power is a aspect of god and is boundless? Did the hulk not get punched around head stomped on before he had to bfr juggs was it a mostly even fight yes was juggs getting the upper hand yes. How about you learn to comprehend or has being a fan of dumb bricks made you dumb also? Anyways back to topic juggs should take this
Inedian
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has always held back, during his entire career. All of his high ends are from a Hulk that is tremendously holding almost all of his power back for the safety of the planet.
Did he held back vs. Zeus? Your exeggeration of Hulk is too high. He is good, but you are making it too much.
carver9
Originally posted by Inedian
Did he held back vs. Zeus? Your exeggeration of Hulk is too high. He is good, but you are making it too much.
Lol...yes, he held back against Zeus.
Inedian
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...yes, he held back against Zeus.
Like I said... you are making Hulk too good.
carver9
Originally posted by Inedian
Like I said... you are making Hulk too good.
How? You asked about Zeus. Hulk went to Zeus to give his life for his friends. He wanted Zeus to kill him.
Stoic
Originally posted by mighty adam
did ghost rider not deem hulk a innocent and leave after he laid his big retarded ass out? Did dr strange not say ghost rider power is a aspect of god and is boundless? Did the hulk not get punched around head stomped on before he had to bfr juggs was it a mostly even fight yes was juggs getting the upper hand yes. How about you learn to comprehend or has being a fan of dumb bricks made you dumb also? Anyways back to topic juggs should take this
You're pretty slow. Most of this has nothing to do with the OP aside from your attempt to derail the thread's subject. The Hulk held back the entire time (deal with it). If he went all out against Cain, he would have punched him to the moon. It took Cain years to dig himself out from under a mountain, while the Hulk is able to turn multiple planets to dust with a single punch. Ghost Rider has nothing to do with anything whatsoever. You may want to consider speaking to a therapist or councilor about your apparent hatred for a fictional character. If you want to continue derailing the thread please leave me out of it. Thanks.
mighty adam
Originally posted by Stoic
You're pretty slow. Most of this has nothing to do with the OP aside from your attempt to derail the thread's subject. The Hulk held back the entire time (deal with it). If he went all out against Cain, he would have punched him to the moon. It took Cain years to dig himself out from under a mountain, while the Hulk is able to turn multiple planets to dust with a single punch. Ghost Rider has nothing to do with anything whatsoever. You may want to consider speaking to a therapist or councilor about your apparent hatred for a fictional character. If you want to continue derailing the thread please leave me out of it. Thanks. your retarded ass can pick hulks best showings but low ball other characters. So trion juggernaut wasnt walking threw dimensions? 8th day juggs didnt have impressive feats? Thats like if i use ww3 black adam as the base for all my debates but skip his FEW defeats. I have no dislike for the hulk his ok its his dumb ass fans. But go about your way lame
leonidas
way to keep the situation from escalating further.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
all that is apparently meaningless though since, he's immune to tp now? how'd that happen? is he at full powers as well?
Cyttorak has given Cain enough power to kill him. Just because he was bored.
All of Cain's weaknesses are gone and the tp weakness was specifically addressed. He's more powerful than he's ever been - or at least should be, according to those statements. He still tends to get sucker bfr'd, though. Apoc can do that to him, I believe.
leonidas
apoc has used teleportation in the past but i would think bfr'ing him would be....tough for apoc. huh, interesting stuff about juggs though. thanks. where was all that revealed?
StiltmanFTW
Amazing X-Men v2 #15-18.
mighty adam
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cyttorak has given Cain enough power to kill him. Just because he was bored.
All of Cain's weaknesses are gone and the tp weakness was specifically addressed. He's more powerful than he's ever been - or at least should be, according to those statements. He still tends to get sucker bfr'd, though. Apoc can do that to him, I believe. what are some of apocs best feats
StiltmanFTW
Stalemating High Evolutionary, besting Prime Eternal Ikaris, solo'ing X-Men while weakened, restraining the Hulk with one arm, forcing Loki to flee for his life and so on.
Stoic
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Amazing X-Men v2 #15-18.
Thanks for the info. Will check it out.
StiltmanFTW
He reappeared in X-Men Blue very recently... only to get BFR'd by magic.
eaebiakuya
I dont think Apocalypse have offensive TP. He just have a strong mind, and can counter attack.
I see his fight against Loki as a draw. No one did damage to another, and the mutant had help of a Celestial machine and his servent.
Also, i think Hulk was weakened when Apocalypse "won" that fight: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/hulk/4005-2267/forums/context-files-hulk-vol1-1577088/
About the fight, Juggernaut wins in a pure strengh or punching contest...but Apocalypse have to many powers and is smart...
Stoic
Cool, I'll check that out as well. Was hoping that Marvel would revisit the days when the Juggernaut was pretty much unbeatable by conventional means.
mighty adam
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Stalemating High Evolutionary, besting Prime Eternal Ikaris, solo'ing X-Men while weakened, restraining the Hulk with one arm, forcing Loki to flee for his life and so on. dam apc is a savage i only really know about him from a few comics and the cartoon from the 90s
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