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Kubik:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2464880-letter_31.jpeg

vs.

Tiamut:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11131/111315546/5780516-745031-individual_001.jpg

Who wins?

Tiamut IMO
Kubik kinda admitted inferiority

Kubik. Tiamut is all hype.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kubik. Tiamut is all hype.

My first thought was that Kubik takes it, but the Celestials seem to be making a comeback of late.

Originally posted by Stoic
My first thought was that Kubik takes it, but the Celestials seem to be making a comeback of late.
Nah. The Celestials are the Rhinos of the cosmic hierarchy.

Tiamut.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nah. The Celestials are the Rhinos of the cosmic hierarchy.

Really, because one Celestial seems to be giving a team that consists of Odin (with Mjolnir), Phoenix, Agamoto, Starbrand, and a couple other heavy weights a difficult time.

Originally posted by Stoic
Really, because one Celestial seems to be giving a team that consists of Odin (with Mjolnir), Phoenix, Agamoto, Starbrand, and a couple other heavy weights a difficult time.
This is the BC timeline. We don't know how powerful those characters are but we do know the Celestials are massive jobbers.

Originally posted by zopzop
This is the BC timeline. We don't know how powerful those characters are but we do know the Celestials are massive jobbers.

Cube beings are as well at times.

Originally posted by Stoic
Cube beings are as well at times.
I've NEVER seen a Cube Being job my friend.

Originally posted by zopzop
I've NEVER seen a Cube Being job my friend.

The Sentry briefly restrained a CCU, a CCU failed to outright obliterate Thanos, the Hulk gave the Shaper of Worlds fits. My point is that you can't use low showings to make a decision. The team that's having trouble with a rogue Celestial is pretty powerful, and there really isn't any proof that they are weak.

If we're going by feats, Kubik stomps -- subtly warping the Beyonder's entire universe into a palm-sized ball is FAR superior to anything a Celestial(sans Scathan) has done on panel:
http://i.imgur.com/Xtrdi27m.jpg


On the flip side, Kubik himself remarked that the power of Celestials is several orders of magnitude above the level of he and Kosmos:
https://i.imgur.com/7T6GwtB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7pUTQ03.jpg



However, statements and implied power alone can only get you so far in a vs. battles. Feats are what matter the most here, and as far as I'm concerned, Kubik's statement regarding the Celestials' powers is a massive outlier these days -- the exception; certainly NOT the rule. Fact is, Celestials have been trounced by FAR lesser powers than Kubik. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
However, statements and implied power alone can only get you so far in a vs. battles. Feats are what matter the most here, and as far as I'm concerned, Kubik's statement regarding the Celestials' powers is a massive outlier these days -- the exception; certainly NOT the rule. /shrug
Yup, because if we're going by statements :
https://s1.postimg.org/2kd12zc7h7/2953785-02.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
I've NEVER seen a Cube Being job my friend.
Maker vs Thanos anyone?

Originally posted by "Id"
Maker vs Thanos anyone?
You realize that was a mentally and physically crippled version of a Cube Being right? It was even mentioned on panel by Thanos.
https://s1.postimg.org/51q281wsrv/El6_Jl_ZN.jpg

We already have kubik himself speaking on the power levels between him and a celestial, and tiamut is no mere celestial too. Celestials having serveral 'kryptonites' doesn't suddenly make them weaker,nor has any celestial fallen to a cubed being iirc

Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that was a mentally and physically crippled version of a Cube Being right? It was even mentioned on panel by Thanos.
https://s1.postimg.org/51q281wsrv/El6_Jl_ZN.jpg her madness had passed by time her final fight had come around with Thanos.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
her madness had passed by time her final fight had come around with Thanos.
I realize this, but Thanos himself states that the Maker form is mortal and has diminished capabilities.

Not to mention she was tricked into defeat by Thanos.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention she was tricked into defeat by Thanos.
Nah, he straight up kicked her ass when he was ready for her. If anything she sneak attacked him first when he was trying to talk to her. Then the rematch happened and it ended badly for her. I mean even the little pixie had her reeling.

He tricked into believing that he had a history with her.

She was officially reduced in power and even Oracle subdued her psychically.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/6pVD55SF2cADfxcHYiaUlO-AlaCEIiE3Hoip0ZDRoCK-cg4wWWB5wYPOXy3LCBlH33JT3Tn85etk=s1600

Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that was a mentally and physically crippled version of a Cube Being right? It was even mentioned on panel by Thanos.
https://s1.postimg.org/51q281wsrv/El6_Jl_ZN.jpg

Mentally crippled yes.

Psychically she was still a cube being. She should still carry her own virtual omnipotence and not be affected by Thanos attack. And this is not a question on pis. But rather if Cube Being ever jobbed. They have this is one of those occasions.

Or we can simply assert Thanos superiority, and accept he is Phoenix to Cube level being himself.

Originally posted by "Id"
Mentally crippled yes.

Psychically she was still a cube being.
Nope. Did you read the scan I posted? Thanos called her mortal.

@abhilegend
Yes, I know Maker was reduced power wise. That's what I'm arguing here

Originally posted by zopzop
Nope. Did you read the scan I posted? Thanos called her mortal.



Look at this way.

Who's fault is it if Makers was reduced in power? If we are to place accountability for her own weakness its falls squarely on her shoulders.

Originally posted by zopzop
I realize this, but Thanos himself states that the Maker form is mortal and has diminished capabilities. Where did it say anything about diminished capabilities ?

It was stated she still has the power to reverse the crunch energies and destroy the universe.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Where did it say anything about diminished capabilities?Originally posted by Astner
http://i.imgur.com/0Ui9yRc.png

https://i.imgur.com/El6JlZNm.jpg
Originally posted by Insane Titan
It was stated she still has the power to reverse the crunch energies and destroy the universe.Originally posted by Astner
No, she wasn't, and this proves that you haven't read the comic. Because "the Crunch" has nothing to do with the Big Crunch.

http://i.imgur.com/aadt1oum.jpg

Peter Quill stipulated that she could reverse if she "pulled together."

http://i.imgur.com/inYNJZxm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/iN44EpIm.jpg