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Bor (when fought Odinforce Thor) vs. Worldbreaker Hulk (HOTM)

Who wins?

Bor, by bfr.

WBH is too much.

Hulk.

Bor can't even take care of JMS Thor, Hulk eats him

Originally posted by lawest9
Bor, by bfr.

Lol, how?

Bor is all about hth, he can't bfr shit. If anything, Hulk bfrs him with a punch.

Let's discuss. People previously said Bor could beat Hulk due to his showing against Thor with part of the Odin Force and him being listed as a trans tier. What's the results now? I don't even think Hulk needs WB at this point based completely off of his showings.

Yeah the Odinforce/Thorforce has really been downgraded from it's classic days.

Why is it downgraded?

Hello

Originally posted by carver9
Why is it downgraded?

Because he hasn't got the level of showings that Odin had. remember when Odin was shaking the galaxy or whatever when fighting Seth? Now, Susan Storm can block bloodlusted Allfather's strikes.

There are plenty more low showings for Allfather Thor, too.

Edit: here you go:
https://imgur.com/a/odin-force-thor-overrated-Pz6mxiR

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because he hasn't got the level of showings that Odin had. remember when Odin was shaking the galaxy or whatever when fighting Seth? Now, Susan Storm can block bloodlusted Allfather's strikes.

There are plenty more low showings for Allfather Thor, too.

Edit: here you go:
https://imgur.com/a/odin-force-thor-overrated-Pz6mxiR

Lol... this can be done with most characters that is in a comic every week. If I did this to Supes, you would feel some kinda way.

What we know is, regular Thor is high Herald and with the OF he's trans to low skyfather. Choose one.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah the Odinforce/Thorforce has really been downgraded from it's classic days.

Or maybe it's because O-Force users got dumber.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... this can be done with most characters that is in a comic every week. If I did this to Supes, you would feel some kinda way.

What we know is, regular Thor is high Herald and with the OF he's trans to low skyfather. Choose one.

Thor isn't in a comic every week. Superman is in multiple comics every week. So yes there's a difference.

Then balance it out. Tell me all of his skyfather tier showings. All of them.

I don't think Thor is a skyfather (anymore). I do think he is trans tier and Hulk taking on an amped Thor and an amped Ironman (Strange also saying the combined power of the Avengers and Fantastic four can't stop him) easily puts this in the sky father tier of power/showing. Didn't this same version of Thor match Thanos? Denying Hulk having MULTIPLE fts of skyfather levels of power is borderline funny at this point.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think Thor is a skyfather (anymore). I do think he is trans tier and Hulk taking on an amped Thor and an amped Ironman (Strange also saying the combined power of the Avengers and Fantastic four can't stop him) easily puts this in the sky father tier of power/showing. Didn't this same version of Thor match Thanos? Denying Hulk having MULTIPLE fts of skyfather levels of power is borderline funny at this point.

But the Odinforce made Odin....one of the top tier skyfathers, if not the top.

You admitting that Thor ISN'T skyfather tier, proves my point:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah the Odinforce/Thorforce has really been downgraded from it's classic days.

Thanks. Concession accepted.

Odin is the top of the chain Skyfather but I'm not going to give Thor all of Odin fts just like I won't give Deathstroke all of Flash fts when he gained access to the speed force. Not how this works.

Originally posted by carver9
Odin is the top of the chain Skyfather but I'm not going to give Thor all of Odin fts just like I won't give Deathstroke all of Flash fts when he gained access to the speed force. Not how this works.

Not saying you give him Odin's feats.

Am saying that the OF isn't as powerful as it was in its classic days. You either agree with it or not.

And if you do not, then please provide proof it is as powerful. Simple.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not saying you give him Odin's feats.

Am saying that the OF isn't as powerful as it was in its classic days. You either agree with it or not.

And if you do not, then please provide proof it is as powerful. Simple.

The Odin Force is as powerful. The only reason I'm not saying Thor is skyfather level is due to consistency and Thor not having Odin Galaxy busting and Universe shaking fts (even though his recent fight against Hulk threatened the Universe).

What I am saying is that Thor with the Odin Force is trans tier and is more powerful than his high Herald self. Hulk breaking his skull in a single punch and over powering him with one hand is some skyfather level sh**. Then when you factor in an amped Ironman assisting him, it makes the ft even more crazy. Especially considering again that the combined power of the Avengers isn't enough to even challenge Hulk (and this Hulk isn't even close to being the most powerful).

Originally posted by carver9
The Odin Force is as powerful. The only reason I'm not saying Thor is skyfather level is due to consistency and Thor not having Odin Galaxy busting and Universe shaking fts (even though his recent fight against Hulk threatened the Universe).

What I am saying is that Thor with the Odin Force is trans tier and is more powerful than his high Herald self. Hulk breaking his skull in a single punch and over powering him with one hand is some skyfather level sh**. Then when you factor in an amped Ironman assisting him, it makes the ft even more crazy. Especially considering again that the combined power of the Avengers isn't enough to even challenge Hulk (and this Hulk isn't even close to being the most powerful).

So in short, just saying 'Odin Force' Thor means nothing, as he doesn't show Odin's level of feats.

Ok, what trans tier feats has he shown? I've shown plenty of low showings up ahead, so to be balanced we should have plenty of good showings for Trans Thor.

I already named one... stalemating Thanos. The other is just wrecking Galactus and sapping his power from him.

Hulk should win this fairly easily unless Bot does some type of Bfr

Originally posted by carver9
I already named one... stalemating Thanos. The other is just wrecking Galactus and sapping his power from him.

So I asked for plenty.

You named 2, one of which he had the PC as well. OK. Is that it?? I thought you said Thor was in a comic every week, lol. Thor has had the OF fully since...March 2020, so nearly 4.5 years' of comics. That's....nearly 235 weeks' worth of comics.

And you name two, lmao.

I shouldn't have to name plenty. I'm not going to just name all of his fts. Before he got crushed by Thanos without the Odin Force, with it, he stalemated him and actually had an advantage. This same Thanos did good against Odin and beat regular Thor that was teamed with Avengers...

https://i.ibb.co/vhDGqtW/Screenshot-20240716-151756-Chrome.png
https://i.ibb.co/8z3Ng2j/Screenshot-20240716-151813-Chrome.png

Should I ignore this?

Originally posted by carver9
I shouldn't have to name plenty. I'm not going to just name all of his fts. Before he got crushed by Thanos without the Odin Force, with it, he stalemated him and actually had an advantage. This same Thanos did good against Odin and beat regular Thor that was teamed with Avengers...

https://i.ibb.co/vhDGqtW/Screenshot-20240716-151756-Chrome.png
https://i.ibb.co/8z3Ng2j/Screenshot-20240716-151813-Chrome.png

Should I ignore this?

Are you not the one who keeps bleating on about consistency?

So be consistent. Don't just name 1 or 2 scenes from hundredS of weeks of comics.

After all, this same Thanos was fighting Groot and was taken out by War Machine.

Be. Consistent.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So in short, just saying 'Odin Force' Thor means nothing, as he doesn't show Odin's level of feats.

Ok, what trans tier feats has he shown? I've shown plenty of low showings up ahead, so to be balanced we should have plenty of good showings for Trans Thor. Thor himself has a bunch of trans+ feats. But Odinforce Thor specifically? Without the Power Cosmic added?

1) Dented Cap's shield.
2) Recreated the city of Asgard and kept it afloat perpetually.
3) Tanked a point-blank disintegration beam from the Destroyer that has on-panel killed normal Thor before.
4) Resurrected every Asgardian on Earth.
5) Killed Bor.
6) Was the only non-symbiote/Unipower character who physically harmed Knull during the King in Black storyline. You saw what Knull did to Sentry.
7) Defeated the Dragon (Odinforce/Jormungand/Worldtree-empowered insane Donald Blake).
8) Although Marc Spector was simultaneously recovering from his madness, Odinforce Thor did beat the Phoenixforce out of him off-panel.
9) Completely contained the Mangog-corrupted, Motherstorm-possessed Mjolnir within an impenetrable Gaea-storm forcefield
10) Went on to utterly destroy the the Mangog-corrupted, Motherstorm-possessed Mjolnir.
11) Used the Destroyer armor as a punching bag and dented it multiple times with his bare fists.
12) Caused critical damage to Stark's Celestial-powered Hulkbuster armor with a single shot.
13) One-shot Meridius, the future King in Black.
14) Not a pure power feat... but he's done weird esoteric stuff like locating someone by listening with storms all across the land.
15) One-shot Meridius, the future King in Black.
16) Helped Old Man Phoenix, Echo Phoenix and Firehair Phoenix (who were all weakened) hold back an entire dead multiverse of energy.
17) BFR'ed Toranos who is a proper Elder God.
18) Near instantly repaired all the physical damage wrought upon New York City by Toranos with time/space powers (yes, Mjolnir's temporal powers have been restored).
19) Reversed the worthy enchantment of Mjolnir so it infected Toranos with worthiness.

He also tanked the heat of a billion suns and hit with the force of WORLDS!!!

https://i.ibb.co/9y3PWtb/Screenshot-20240716-152641-Chrome.png
https://i.ibb.co/7GyWTf6/Screenshot-20240716-154116-Chrome.png

Goddammit, Carver you just had to go ruin ODG's post lmao.

That's a good post though, ODG, and precisely what I was asking for.

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Originally posted by carver9
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