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Has has FAR better fts. Hulk destroys him.

DD is stronger, vastly faster, and more durable than Hulk.

Bane begs them to not fight and gets skull****ed

Originally posted by carver9
Has has FAR better fts. Hulk destroys him.
Doomsday oneshots hulk.

Hulk would would. Vastly stronger and more powerful.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hulk would would. Vastly stronger and more powerful. DD is vastly stronger, more durable, and vastly faster with stab weapons.

If everything was equal then DD would win just because of the stabbing weapons.

Hulk grabs him and rips him in half

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Originally posted by Stoic
Hulk would would. Vastly stronger and more powerful.
Lol no

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk grabs him and rips him in half
Doomsday disintegrates hulk with a stare

Hulk smash

The comics themselves says that Hulk is stronger.

Yep, he is stronger and more powerful. Hulk destroys him tbh.

Hulk rapes Doomsday, yes.

DD beats Hulk in a manner of seconds.
Gives him the DS treatment

DC doesn't agree:

Originally posted by ODG
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durhulk

Doomsday kills both hulk and wolverine 😎😎

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DC doesn't agree:
Its called an Easter egg.

A CANON Easter egg.

Nothing alternate about that future.

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing alternate about that future. Absolutely it is, because DC already abandon that whole 5G premise before that issue even released.

Even so, the Hulk is more powerful, and stronger. He can't die either, but as we know Doomsday can.

Originally posted by Stoic
Even so, the Hulk is more powerful, and stronger. He can't die either, but as we know Doomsday can. After losing to Superman Doomsday evolved beyond death. Only entropy could stop him.

Anyone stronger than Supes is also stronger than Hulk.

Originally posted by Juntai
After losing to Superman Doomsday evolved beyond death. Only entropy could stop him.

Anyone stronger than Supes is also stronger than Hulk. After that, Doomsday was killed by a gang of Kryptonians.

Anyway, I disagree that HP Doomsday's feats carry over to current Doomsday. Last we've seen of current Doomsday he was released by Pariah from Oz's captivity. Before that, during the Path of Doom storyline, he definitely was not HP Doomsday.

He hasn't been classic "H/P" Doomsday since OWAW.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk grabs him and rips him in half

Right, he has about as much luck with that as Superman had when he tried to grab Doomsday and take him to outer space. Not going to happen.

When did Superman do that? Think you're getting your Doomsdays mixed up.

https://i.ibb.co/ZJkDMmz/1129407-hulk-smash.jpg

People seem to forget that Doomsday has a limit, while the Hulk does not. Nothing stops the Hulk from going all out, and that means that he would literally eat Doomsday in his Titan Hulk form. Same Hulk, new abilities.

Originally posted by carver9
A CANON Easter egg.
No such thing

Originally posted by Stoic
People seem to forget that Doomsday has a limit, while the Hulk does not. Nothing stops the Hulk from going all out, and that means that he would literally eat Doomsday in his Titan Hulk form. Same Hulk, new abilities.

Doomsday kills him.

With what? With a car door that failed to kill Booster Gold?

Or with a gas station?

Hulk murders this ***** with ease.

With your mom

Originally posted by MrMind
bro she's an old boring karen

Originally posted by Stoic
People seem to forget that Doomsday has a limit, while the Hulk does not. Nothing stops the Hulk from going all out, and that means that he would literally eat Doomsday in his Titan Hulk form. Same Hulk, new abilities. It's Immortal Hulk in this thread. And while Immortal Hulk's adventures revolved around the Green Door, Immortal Hulk did not have Titan Power implanted within him.

Doomsday is faster. Hulk is everything else.

Doomsday is stronger, faster and more durable and has superior regen as of Lazarus Planet event.

Hulk has virtually no chance here

Originally posted by Enzeru
Doomsday is faster. Hulk is everything else. I, for one, am very interested in seeing a single speed feat from Doomsday that Hulk could not replicate or has not replicated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday is stronger, faster and more durable and has superior regen as of Lazarus Planet event.

Hulk has virtually no chance here

When has DD appeared during the Lazarus event? If so, Hulk is in a world of hurt.

@ODG

Blue Beetle saying he as fast as Flash. Superman saying he's upping his speed to match Doomsday. Just saying what others are going to say.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
When has DD appeared during the Lazarus event? If so, Hulk is in a world of hurt.
Lazarus Planet : Legends Reborn

Originally posted by carver9
@ODG

Blue Beetle saying he as fast as Flash. Superman saying he's upping his speed to match Doomsday. Just saying what others are going to say. There is no need to put words into other people's mouths. It does not lend itself to constructive conversation.

i dont buy into the blue beetle statement, but the fact that bloodlusted superman specifically said that he had to ramp up his speed into order to match doomsday is certainly of note.

^ So you dismiss a character statement but cite another character statement?

so you don't think superman had to ramp up his speed in that moment to compete with doomsday?

yes or no will do.

^ Yes. But Blue Beetle didn't even make that initial statement which speaks to your actual grasp/concern of facts. And you're ignoring Superman's state at the time he made that statement. And Superman made that same statement about street-leveler Shadowdragon twice over. So how reliable is a character statement given the actual context? Do you even care?

yes or no will do.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Yes. that's all you needed to say.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
When has DD appeared during the Lazarus event? If so, Hulk is in a world of hurt.

Name is on the scans of these links
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So Doomsday is able to reproduce/resurrect himself just from memory

https://ibb.co/tpGTMHP
https://ibb.co/PCmDxwM
https://ibb.co/L0Ny65d
https://ibb.co/1qmn74R

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lazarus Planet : Legends Reborn
Maybe we're referring to the same scene(since I don't remember DD appeared in Legends Reborn)

Were you referring to the scans I posted above? That Doomsday can regenerate himself from just memories/thoughts?

Just want to check if I missed something or not

Yes, I misremembered the tie in name

Originally posted by carver9
@ODG

Blue Beetle saying he as fast as Flash. Superman saying he's upping his speed to match Doomsday. Just saying what others are going to say.

Booster Gold, not Blue Beetle.

And "faster than Flash", not "as fast".

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Carv. You spent two decades on this forum. Stop forgetting everything in seconds like Bruce Willis.

Originally posted by ODG
And Superman made that same statement about street-leveler Shadowdragon twice over. So how reliable is a character statement given the actual context? I see what you're saying.

But in the spirit of context, DoS Superman was indeed bloodlusted to an extent that we've only seen a scant few times in his entire character history. So the fact that Supes was in that specific mindset at the time, yet still had to consciously keep boosting his speed/perceptions just to contend with Doomsday, does speak volumes concerning DD's inherent speed. Imo. /shrug

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Booster Gold, not Blue Beetle.

And "faster than Flash", not "as fast".

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Carv. You spent two decades on this forum. Stop forgetting everything in seconds like Bruce Willis.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Name is on the scans of these links

That is crazy.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
that's all you needed to say. Funny. All you needed was to be silent and your contribution to this thread would have been the same. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So Doomsday is able to reproduce/resurrect himself just from memory

https://ibb.co/tpGTMHP
https://ibb.co/PCmDxwM
https://ibb.co/L0Ny65d
https://ibb.co/1qmn74R I think if Doomsday could do that on his own without a convenient plot device, he would've done so by now. As it is, the memory of Doomsday was just taking over the Lazarus-imbued Raphael Arce. Then J'onn's meddling seemed to make it worse.

As far as I can tell, this is just another off-shoot of the original Doomsday's memory. Like Doombreaker is an offshoot of the original Doomsday's bone fragment.

Originally posted by Galan007
I see what you're saying.

But in the spirit of context, DoS Superman was indeed bloodlusted to an extent that we've only seen a scant few times in his entire character history. So the fact that Supes was in that specific mindset at the time, yet still had to consciously keep boosting his speed/perceptions just to contend with Doomsday, does speak volumes concerning DD's inherent speed. Imo. /shrug He was too weak to even fly at the moment he said what he said. I don't think his "bloodlust" overrode his physical state at that point. Measurable speed feats speak volumes for me. Character statements with ample context, much less so.

Particularly, given Superman's aggrandization of the speed of other opponents he's subsequently out-sped. If Superman fought Hulk for the first time in a comic, he'd say the same thing about Hulk.

Funny you say that... I know this is non-canon but in their first fight, Superman did mention Hulk speed...

https://ibb.co/g7srHfN
https://ibb.co/VtC2FJb

Originally posted by ODG
I think if Doomsday could do that on his own without a convenient plot device, he would've done so by now. As it is, the memory of Doomsday was just taking over the Lazarus-imbued Raphael Arce. Then J'onn's meddling seemed to make it worse.

I disagree. as the comic did state/attribute this to his own adaptive/regenerative powers.

https://ibb.co/PCmDxwM
"You have tapping into the memory of Doomsday. The most adaptive createure ever designed. "
"Doomsday could reconstitute himself from whatever was left after death. A scrap of flesh. A nucleotide. it seems even a memory is enough for to reproduce from"

And later when he had the grip on MMH's mind, he was able to spread his egg into physical form via MMH's psychic physiology. Even would have propagated from MMH's mind

Plus, characters have a specific power doesn't necessarily mean they'll use them(especially in comics' case).
Flash wouldn't do a supercomputing that can predict infinite/every possible outcomes in most of his career doesn't mean he can't do it
Superman can absorb magic at one story doesn't mean he would forcefully draw magic from his opponents he ever faced
Black Adam has transforming magical spell, but he rarely used it doesn't mean he couldn't
etcetc

Originally posted by ODG

As far as I can tell, this is just another off-shoot of the original Doomsday's memory. Like Doombreaker is an offshoot of the original Doomsday's bone fragment.
I was replying to Golgo's question( the appearance of Doomsday in Lazarus Planet event) though

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I disagree. as the comic did state/attribute this to his own adaptive/regenerative powers.

https://ibb.co/PCmDxwM
"You have tapping into the memory of Doomsday. The most adaptive createure ever designed. "
"Doomsday could reconstitute himself from whatever was left after death. A scrap of flesh. A nucleotide. it seems even a memory is enough for to reproduce from"

And later when he had the grip on MMH's mind, he was able to spread his egg into physical form via MMH's psychic physiology. Even would have propagated from MMH's mind If Doomsday could've done that, he would've before or after Lazarus Planet. It's not like the memory of Doomsday was banished. As it stands, it wasn't until a plot device Lazarus-mutated empath tried to tap the memory did a Doomsday start emerging from Raphael Arce's body. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Plus, characters have a specific power doesn't necessarily mean they'll use them(especially in comics' case).
Flash wouldn't do a supercomputing that can predict infinite/every possible outcomes in most of his career doesn't mean he can't do it
Superman can absorb magic at one story doesn't mean he would forcefully draw magic from his opponents he ever faced
Black Adam has transforming magical spell, but he rarely used it doesn't mean he couldn't
etcetc

I was replying to Golgo's question( the appearance of Doomsday in Lazarus Planet event) though Given that Doomsday never used this power to regenerate from a memory until specific circumstances and plot devices conveniently appeared tends against Doomsday having this ability.

Like Maestro technically "can" regenerate from nothing. But his regeneration from a disembodied spirit couldn't have been done without leeching plot device gamma radiation over multiple instances/years. Maestro coming back is less about his "natural regenerative powers" and more about the plot device that is gamma radiation exposure.

Let's remember, there's a literal piece of Doomsday's knee bone spur out there right now. A physical piece of Doomsday's body which is far more substantial than a psychic imprint that Doomsday might regenerate from. But Doomsday hasn't regenerated from the knee bone spur. All it did was leak genetic residue that took years to mutate a construction worker named Lloyd Clayton into Doombreaker.

Originally posted by ODG
If Doomsday could've done that, he would've before or after Lazarus Planet. It's not like the memory of Doomsday was banished. As it stands, it wasn't until a plot device Lazarus-mutated empath tried to tap the memory did a Doomsday start emerging from Raphael Arce's body. Given that Doomsday never used this power to regenerate from a memory until specific circumstances and plot devices conveniently appeared tends against Doomsday having this ability.

Like Maestro technically "can" regenerate from nothing. But his regeneration from a disembodied spirit couldn't have been done without leeching plot device gamma radiation over multiple instances/years. Maestro coming back is less about his "natural regenerative powers" and more about the plot device that is gamma radiation exposure.

Let's remember, there's a literal piece of Doomsday's knee bone spur out there right now. A physical piece of Doomsday's body which is far more substantial than a psychic imprint that Doomsday might regenerate from. But Doomsday hasn't regenerated from the knee bone spur. All it did was leak genetic residue that took years to mutate a construction worker named Lloyd Clayton into Doombreaker.
So I take it as you don't believe there are many one-off power instances in comics?

Plus, I still don't see why this isn't a good feat for Doomsday's regen. It seems you also admitted that Doomsday indeed could regenerate from Raphael Arce, just by him tapping into the memory of Doomsday.
I.E, by your interpretation, Doomsday's regen ability is strong enough that he just needs a telepathic person to tap its memory and he can regenerate from it. It's a very impressive regen feat for Doomsday, no?

Hulk also has incredible Regen capabilities. He can't die. His power source makes him far more powerful than Doomsday as well. He's stronger than Doomsday. If we go no cap for one, we go no cap for the other.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So I take it as you don't believe there are many one-off power instances in comics? I do believe there are one-off power instances. But when the one-off power instance is accompanied by a lot of specific circumstances and plot devices, the one-off power instance might be more fairly attributed to the specific circumstances and plot devices rather than the character themselves in contravention of their entire history. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Plus, I still don't see why this isn't a good feat for Doomsday's regen. It seems you also admitted that Doomsday indeed could regenerate from Raphael Arce, just by him tapping into the memory of Doomsday.

I.E, by your interpretation, Doomsday's regen ability is strong enough that he just needs a telepathic person to tap its memory and he can regenerate from it. It's a very impressive regen feat for Doomsday, no? Well... if there were ever a vs thread where you pit Superman against Doomsday... and Raphael Arce were randomly standing around... I suppose this would be relevant... ?

Originally posted by ODG
I do believe there are one-off power instances. But when the one-off power instance is accompanied by a lot of specific circumstances and plot devices, the one-off power instance might be more fairly attributed to the specific circumstances and plot devices rather than the character themselves in contravention of their entire history. Well... if there were ever a vs thread where you pit Superman against Doomsday... and Raphael Arce were randomly standing around... I suppose this would be relevant... ?
Even though the comic did contribute it to Doomsday's regen/adaptive powers?

Cool, not what I was asking though

What about Doomsday Clock 12? That was DC stating that Doomsday died protecting Superman on July 10th 2030 after the Secret Crisis has Superman battling Thor and a Green Behemoth (the Hulk) across the universe. It stated that the Green Behemoth (Hulk) was stronger than Doomsday, and that Doomsday died in the conflict protecting Superman.

Is that counted as canon?

It is canon but they are going to say it's retconned because of things (they don't like) that happened in the story.

Originally posted by Stoic
What about Doomsday Clock 12? That was DC stating that Doomsday died protecting Superman on July 10th 2030 after the Secret Crisis has Superman battling Thor and a Green Behemoth (the Hulk) across the universe. It stated that the Green Behemoth (Hulk) was stronger than Doomsday, and that Doomsday died in the conflict protecting Superman.

Is that counted as canon?

Totally canon for DC Thor and Hulk.

I don't believe either of these foes have the basic tools to keep the other dead. Death from physical damage is only a temporary road block for these guys. So I'm looking at this from a "first to temporarily kill or knock out" win condition.

Immortal Hulk (Devil Hulk) trumps Death of Superman Era Doomsday. It's a gnarly fight with immense locational damage, but in the end, this is a version of Hulk that can punch you with Superman class power and reform from total dismemberment. He's not as fast as Clark, so it will take longer for the number of punches to add up, but the end result feels like a forgone conclusion - Doomsday eventually dies, but unlike Superman, this version of Hulk doesn't die along with him.

Immortal Hulk vs. Later Forms of Doomsday (Hunter Prey) = Varying outcome based on progress of Doomsday. Later versions win more often than not. Yes, Hulk heals back or returns via the green door; but going off a "first to land a temp kill or K.O. win condition, the stronger version favors the win).

There is one caveat that I have for Hulk - This version comes at a time when the One Below All was actively working through Leader to manipulate events towards a universe ending event. Hulk essentially has access to a door that leads to Gamma Hell, with a dark equivalent of The One Above All waiting in the wings. If (and it's a big IF) Hulk were to drag Doomsday through the Green Door with him, he could get clever with Leader or TOBA to strike a deal that "leaves" Doomsday behind. If The One Below All decides to eat Doomsday, no amount of regeneration would save him. But that's one giant What If scenario that is more fun to think of than is likely to occur.

Originally posted by jaxthejester
I don't believe either of these foes have the basic tools to keep the other dead. Death from physical damage is only a temporary road block for these guys. So I'm looking at this from a "first to temporarily kill or knock out" win condition.

Immortal Hulk (Devil Hulk) trumps Death of Superman Era Doomsday. It's a gnarly fight with immense locational damage, but in the end, this is a version of Hulk that can punch you with Superman class power and reform from total dismemberment. He's not as fast as Clark, so it will take longer for the number of punches to add up, but the end result feels like a forgone conclusion - Doomsday eventually dies, but unlike Superman, this version of Hulk doesn't die along with him.

Immortal Hulk vs. Later Forms of Doomsday (Hunter Prey) = Varying outcome based on progress of Doomsday. Later versions win more often than not. Yes, Hulk heals back or returns via the green door; but going off a "first to land a temp kill or K.O. win condition, the stronger version favors the win).

There is one caveat that I have for Hulk - This version comes at a time when the One Below All was actively working through Leader to manipulate events towards a universe ending event. Hulk essentially has access to a door that leads to Gamma Hell, with a dark equivalent of The One Above All waiting in the wings. If (and it's a big IF) Hulk were to drag Doomsday through the Green Door with him, he could get clever with Leader or TOBA to strike a deal that "leaves" Doomsday behind. If The One Below All decides to eat Doomsday, no amount of regeneration would save him. But that's one giant What If scenario that is more fun to think of than is likely to occur. Spot on.

Superman nor Doomsday is one punch breaking an Odin Force Thor skull in a single hit. No matter how much you want to hype these 2 up. They are not overloading vibranium either or one punch koing cosmic ghost. Let's not forget this version of Hulk one hitting the One Below All and just wrecking the Avengers on an ongoing basis. Doomsday gets his face caved in.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman nor Doomsday is one punch breaking an Odin Force Thor skull in a single hit. No matter how much you want to hype these 2 up. They are not overloading vibranium either or one punch koing cosmic ghost. Let's not forget this version of Hulk one hitting the One Below All and just wrecking the Avengers on an ongoing basis. Doomsday gets his face caved in.

Your tag name seems very familiar. Were you on the Marvel.com versus boards back in the day?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Spot on.


Trouble is, just about everyone underrates Post Crisis Superman, and by extension Doomsday.


Early 90's Superman actually had some pretty insane feats. The "Time and Time Again" arc had explosions bouncing him through time, and some of those included;

1. The "Five Years Later" LOSH moon exploding.
2. A Sun Eater imploding on top of him (They eat suns, even Validus could have died in one)


Detractors like to insist the time jumps somehow meant he wasn't taking the brunt of those explosions, but that's just dumb.

Anyways point is DOS DD beating him to death after all he took says a lot about how hard he hits.

Originally posted by cdtm
Trouble is, just about everyone underrates Post Crisis Superman, and by extension Doomsday.


Early 90's Superman actually had some pretty insane feats. The "Time and Time Again" arc had explosions bouncing him through time, and some of those included;

1. The "Five Years Later" LOSH moon exploding.
2. A Sun Eater imploding on top of him (They eat suns, even Validus could have died in one)


Detractors like to insist the time jumps somehow meant he wasn't taking the brunt of those explosions, but that's just dumb.

Anyways point is DOS DD beating him to death after all he took says a lot about how hard he hits.

Even being in the Sun-Eater was a feat.

Some other stuff Pre-DOS for Superman include when he faced the Krypton Man version of Eradicator. Took a beating from him while under a red sun. And was thrown into that red sun.....twice. Wasn't knocked out or seriously hurt.

When time traveling on Krypton, he survived its destruction. He wasn't immediately knocked out(did lose consciousness shortly after, but not immediately). This was under a red sun and literally surrounded by Kryptonite. And he took the explosion of a planet that dwarfed Jupiter.

People argue he was Eclipso amped against Captain Marvel to try and dismiss that, but ignore the fight with Lar Gand. If you argue that he was amped against Captain Marvel, what do you say to him beating down an Eclipsed Lar Gand? Lar was a planet mover under his own power and Superman was at a disadvantage having the air knocked out of him at a time he actually did need to breathe (so Carter and other haters, you only prove you're retards if you use this for current or basically any other time for Superman ). He was passing out and still beat down an Eclipsed Lar so badly Lar needed medical care.

I mentioned in another thread he had a continent level(perhaps greater) feat while severely drained by Starbreaker (couldn't fly). Actually he also was at the core of Almarac IIRC while in this state, fixed the fissure or whatever it was sending the planet out of orbit, and dug his way out, so strength, speed and durability while severely drained.

He has nanosecond level feats in this era including the famous scene with Hal that's way more impressive than a nanosecond. And he powered through Waverider stopping time in this era too.

He restrained Blaze while in a dimension that drained his energy. Blaze has held Black Adam helplessly with one hand and overpowered her father Shazam, who is supposed to be stronger than Captain Marvel and I've seen evidence of it. Restraint wasn't pure strength but still, given how strong Blaze was and Superman was nring drained (had previously been fighting a horde of demons in this dimension) makes it impressive. He also took some portion of the blast that literally destroyed her(why Jr was restraining her, to give her brother time to do the blast). You know, magic, something Thorbags argue gives Thor the advantage, that blast that destroyed Blaze only KOed a weakened Pre-DOS Superman.

And hey, going by how Byrne described Superman, there is a strong argument he legitimately moved the Earth and Moon as well as that small moon sized ship, not just the ship as the comic implies and Superman haters argue. Byrne himself said about how he wrote Superman, that Superman was as strong as he believed he was. So him believing the mass of the Earth and Moon were negated can definitely be argued he moved their mass, not they were negated(I don't recall any actual conformation, just his speculation). And moving through Hyperspace was said to be the hard part. Even if it's just the ship, moving that through hyperspace is pretty good.

Originally posted by jaxthejester
Your tag name seems very familiar. Were you on the Marvel.com versus boards back in the day?

Great many of us were.

Same with Comixtreme, Herochat, Comics Ledger and so on.

We're the last bastion of pre-reddit, pre-social media comic fans.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Great many of us were.

Same with Comixtreme, Herochat, Comics Ledger and so on.

We're the last bastion of pre-reddit, pre-social media comic fans.


Aka the shitehole sites.


Whilest "I" came from elegant sites like Alvaro's Battleboard (Talked with Walter f'n Simonson on their New Gods board!) and CBR.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman nor Doomsday is one punch breaking an Odin Force Thor skull in a single hit. No matter how much you want to hype these 2 up. They are not overloading vibranium either or one punch koing cosmic ghost. Let's not forget this version of Hulk one hitting the One Below All and just wrecking the Avengers on an ongoing basis. Doomsday gets his face caved in.
He also exploded and died in a town level explosion lol

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Great many of us were.

Same with Comixtreme, Herochat, Comics Ledger and so on.

We're the last bastion of pre-reddit, pre-social media comic fans.

I dig it. I was on there religiously back then. Posted a ton in the Versus boards and on the old Hulk forums, right up until they shut down the boards. Cool to see some other folks still around from back then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He also exploded and died in a town level explosion lol

Are you really doing collateral damage? You'll lose this debate if you are.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you really doing collateral damage? You'll lose this debate if you are.
Yes, please go ahead.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you really doing collateral damage? You'll lose this debate if you are.

Hulk still having pants. Checkmate and GG Derrick.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Even though the comic did contribute it to Doomsday's regen/adaptive powers? The comic literally "contributed" the whole situation to the instance of a Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce randomly using his one-off powers.

Are you suggesting we ignore that Doomsday has never once psychically manifested himself in such a way, no matter how much biological material is present, before or after this specific instance?

That's your cup of tea. But given your absolute silence of the current Doombreaker storyline, color me skeptical.

Originally posted by ODG
The comic literally "contributed" the whole situation to the instance of a Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce randomly using his one-off powers.

Are you suggesting we ignore that Doomsday has never once psychically manifested himself in such a way, no matter how much biological material is present, before or after this specific instance?

That's your cup of tea. But given your absolute silence of the current Doombreaker storyline, color me skeptical.
That's like saying Superman absorbs Mageddon's anti-sun light was "contributed" to the whole situation that Mageddon invaded Earth
I.E, the plot needs to show the abitliy of a character is not equal to the character needs such condition

Are you just completely ignore the comic's dialogue, and use your theory. Especially when your arguments could be easily categorized to "characters use some powers they rarely use" department?

No, he doesn't.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That's like saying Superman absorbs Mageddon's anti-sun light was "contributed" to the whole situation that Mageddon invaded Earth
I.E, the plot needs to show the abitliy of a character is not equal to the character needs such condition

Are you just completely ignore the comic's dialogue, and use your theory. Especially when your arguments could be easily categorized to "characters use some powers they rarely use" department? Your Mageddon analogy would only be appropriate if Superman had multiple opportunities where he could've absorbed anti-sunlight but never did.

Doomsday has had decades to respawn from memory. He never has. Not until some random plot contrivance.

Doomsday's regenerative nature was partly responsible for this, sure. And there is an argument suggesting that should or would happen again without a Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce randomly using his one-off powers, ok. It's just a flimsy argument.

Originally posted by ODG
Your Mageddon analogy would only be appropriate if Superman had multiple opportunities where he could've absorbed anti-sunlight but never did.

Doomsday has had decades to respawn from memory. He never has. Not until some random plot contrivance.

Doomsday's regenerative nature was partly responsible for this, sure. And there is an argument suggesting that should or would happen again without a Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce randomly using his one-off powers, ok. It's just a flimsy argument.
Lol
Then, Darkseid's Omega Saction. Green Lantern's timestop, Black Adam's transformation ability etcetcetc
I can continue this list.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol
Then, Darkseid's Omega Saction. Green Lantern's timestop, Black Adam's transformation ability etcetcetc
I can continue this list. None of those examples were accompanied by a random plot device character empowered by a random plot device like Lazarus rain.

Each of those instances, the characters just did what they did. If Darkseid had some weird minion that tapped into the Omega Force running around when he zapped Batman, yeah, it might be analogous. If Hal had some extra GL lantern floating around when he performed the time-stop, yeah, it be analogous. If Black Adam had some random Egyptian fairies flying about when he empowered the Justice League, yeah, it might be analogous.

But in none of the instances you're citing was there a random-a$$ plot device character that was intimately tied to the scene in question.

The scene is more analogous to Zatanna in Seven Soldiers fighting Zor while being connected to Gwydion. This seems so obvious and I'm becoming less interested in belaboring the point.

Originally posted by ODG
None of those examples were accompanied by a random plot device character empowered by a random plot device like Lazarus rain.

Each of those instances, the characters just did what they did. If Darkseid had some weird minion that tapped into the Omega Force running around when he zapped Batman, yeah, it might be analogous. If Hal had some extra GL lantern floating around when he performed the time-stop, yeah, it be analogous. If Black Adam had some random Egyptian fairies flying about when he empowered the Justice League, yeah, it might be analogous.

But in none of the instances you're citing was there a random-a$$ plot device character that was intimately tied to the scene in question.

The scene is more analogous to Zatanna in Seven Soldiers fighting Zor while being connected to Gwydion. This seems so obvious and I'm becoming less interested in belaboring the point.
Oh, then I guess you need first to prove this your so-called "plot-device" is explicitly stated to play a part in that scene.
Because by that logic, we can assume anything is "plot-device". Darkseid during that time uses not his normal body to perform said feat, for example, by your logic that based on faith and belief instead of explicit evidence, does this mean this "plot-device" allows him to do that?

You first needs to prove the one you called "plot-device" actually plays a part in the scene. And your argument that "why not Doomsday uses this ability in other situations" can be easily chalked up to "characters that occassionally pull some new abilities out of nowhere" department.

At the very least, I can say my interpretaion holds same value as yours. But yeah, I would say this conversation seems less and less constructive since it's very obvious neither of us can change the other side's opinions

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Oh, then I guess you need first to prove this your so-called "plot-device" is explicitly stated to play a part in that scene. https://media.tenor.com/ILIxJ9Zcj5gAAAAC/con-confusion.gif

You really trying to suggest that the Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce had nothing to do with it? I mean... we both read the comic, so I see no point in posting the pages unless bystanders want to see them.

Originally posted by ODG
https://media.tenor.com/ILIxJ9Zcj5gAAAAC/con-confusion.gif

You really trying to suggest that the Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce had nothing to do with it? I mean... we both read the comic, so I see no point in posting the pages unless bystanders want to see them.
The opposite is also true.

You really trying to suggest a factor that the comic never mentioned, only contributes it to Doomsday's adaptive ability, IOW, only a *theory*(which also can contribute to "one-use power" moment, I.E, you can't really tell this scene is what you said or is "one-use power" moment) as a steel hard proof?

But like I said, it seems both of us can't change each other's opinions at this point

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The opposite is also true.

You really trying to suggest a factor that the comic never mentioned, only contributes it to Doomsday's adaptive ability, IOW, only a *theory*(which also can contribute to "one-use power" moment, I.E, you can't really tell this scene is what you said or is "one-use power" moment) as a steel hard proof?

But like I said, it seems both of us can't change each other's opinions at this point It might be unintentional, but I have not argued that this is an either/or situation. Your last few posts appear to be interpreting my argument as that of "Raphael Arce could resurrect people out of memories regardless of whether the target had reincarnation abilities." I suggest no such thing.

I am arguing against the inverse of that proposition: "Doomsday could resurrect out of memories regardless of whether a special psychic like Raphael Arce were present."

Hope that clears it up.

Originally posted by ODG
It might be unintentional, but I have not argued that this is an either/or situation. Your last few posts appear to be interpreting my argument as that of "Raphael Arce could resurrect people out of memories regardless of whether the target had reincarnation abilities." I suggest no such thing.

I am arguing against the inverse of that proposition: "Doomsday could resurrect out of memories regardless of whether a special psychic like Raphael Arce were present."

Hope that clears it up.
Hmm, I don't think I misunderstood it. And I disagreed it needs a special psychic(I.E Raphael) to allow Doomsday to resurrect as he also infects MMH later.

But like I said, this subject seems to be a dead end as neither of us can convince another at this point.

^ Yeah but MMH kinda contributes to that himself as as psychic interacting with Raphael Arce, but whatever.

Fair enough. To each his own.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Fair enough. To each his own.