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Who would win?

BFR off.

KO or death.

Cosmic KT stomps tbh.

Why would you say that?

He literally destroyed an amped Galactus that was stated to be more powerful than any version before it. He drained all of his power from him and then killed him with it along with a being that consumes Universes. Darkseid...





Fights Superman.

Darkseid

Originally posted by carver9
He literally destroyed an amped Galactus that was stated to be more powerful than any version before it. He drained all of his power from him and then killed him with it along with a being that consumes Universes. Darkseid...





Fights Superman.

He beat Galactus through a plot device

Interesting match, slight edge to DS.

Originally posted by h1a8
He beat Galactus through a plot device

Explain

Darkseid

DS

Truly wondering what is the reasoning behind the opinions? Just interested for the most part.

Darkseid is simply too powerful.

especially since he did oneshot Quintessence that include spectre. went toe to toe with multiverse destroyer like empty hand

it's really a stomp

So how powerful would you guys say that Galactus was during that story? If you recall, they didn't leave any room to make implied power claims. Thor toyed with him. Spectre is variable in terms of power level, and the rest were well below Galactus. I'll read Odyssey to see what you guys are talking about.

Originally posted by Stoic
So how powerful would you guys say that Galactus was during that story? If you recall, they didn't leave any room to make implied power claims. Thor toyed with him. Spectre is variable in terms of power level, and the rest were well below Galactus. I'll read Odyssey to see what you guys are talking about.
Galactus was simply fodder in that story, he was there to simply job for Thor

Originally posted by Stoic
So how powerful would you guys say that Galactus was during that story? If you recall, they didn't leave any room to make implied power claims. Thor toyed with him. Spectre is variable in terms of power level, and the rest were well below Galactus. I'll read Odyssey to see what you guys are talking about. You're right that they didn't really leave any room for interpretation. Galactus stated he was more powerful than he had ever been once he ate those five unique planets.

But Thor still drained all his amped Power Cosmic reducing Galactus to a husk and converting his corpse into a bomb.

I still chalk it up to full Odinforce Cosmic Thor being given an inadvertent backdoor into the Power Cosmic by Galactus that allowed him to do what he did. If you don't, then full Odinforce Cosmic Thor was waaayyy more powerful than an amped Galactus. Which arguably doesn't jive with the plot at all.

But either way, you cannot act like Galactus wasn't amped beyond any point we've ever seen him before in 616 canon.

Originally posted by ODG
You're right that they didn't really leave any room for interpretation. Galactus stated he was more powerful than he had ever been once he ate those five unique planets.

But Thor still drained all his amped Power Cosmic reducing Galactus to a husk and converting his corpse into a bomb.

I still chalk it up to full Odinforce Cosmic Thor being given an inadvertent backdoor into the Power Cosmic by Galactus that allowed him to do what he did. If you don't, then full Odinforce Cosmic Thor was waaayyy more powerful than an amped Galactus. Which arguably doesn't jive with the plot at all.

But either way, you cannot act like Galactus wasn't amped beyond any point we've ever seen him before in 616 canon.

Exactly, now that being said, how well would he do at the height of his power while also having the power Cosmic in tow? I find it difficult to believe that Darkseid wouldn't have a fight on his hands. Thor resisted forces that ate entire universes, which was seen on panel.

Originally posted by Stoic
Exactly, now that being said, how well would he do at the height of his power while also having the power Cosmic in tow? I find it difficult to believe that Darkseid wouldn't have a fight on his hands. Thor resisted forces that ate entire universes, which was seen on panel.

But see the Power Cosmic is only a back door to Galactus because his substance is made of the stuff. Darkseid would need to make Thor his herald or something, and even that isn't a gimmie because we're talking about two entirely different things here.

^ While I will continue to posit that Cosmic Thor's feats against Galactus were necessarily connected to inadvertent backdoor access to the Power Cosmic as a whole, Cosmic Thor still fought the Black Winter.

He used a godblast against the Black Winter and "made it bleed", whatever that means. Purple prose aside, he clearly staggered the Black Winter. And that was accomplished before he drained an amped Galactus' energies.

I don't see Darkseid staggering the Black Winter. Originally posted by Stoic
Exactly, now that being said, how well would he do at the height of his power while also having the power Cosmic in tow? I find it difficult to believe that Darkseid wouldn't have a fight on his hands. Thor resisted forces that ate entire universes, which was seen on panel. Unless it's a True Form Darkseid... I don't think it's a contest at all. So I think we agree with each other.

Originally posted by ODG
^ While I will continue to posit that Cosmic Thor's feats against Galactus were necessarily connected to inadvertent backdoor access to the Power Cosmic as a whole, Cosmic Thor still fought the Black Winter.

He used a godblast against the Black Winter and "made it bleed", whatever that means. Purple prose aside, he clearly staggered the Black Winter. And that was accomplished before he drained an amped Galactus' energies.

I don't see Darkseid staggering the Black Winter. Unless it's a True Form Darkseid... I don't think it's a contest at all. So I think we agree with each other.

Made him bleed, but could he defeat BW without the exploit?

And is true Darkseid comparable to Black Winter? Or is he weaker?

Originally posted by cdtm
Made him bleed, but could he defeat BW without the exploit? Surely not, IMHO. If Cosmic Thor could, there would be no point to stealing an amped Galactus' power. I mean, yes, Cosmic Thor definitely wanted to avenge those five consumed worlds by killing amped Galactus but the natural plot escalation implied that Cosmic Thor could never defeat the Black Winter without utilizing amped Galactus' energies. Originally posted by cdtm
And is true Darkseid comparable to Black Winter? Or is he weaker? My initial impression is: not comparable. Black Winter's best feat is consuming a universe? True Form Darkseid's best feat is ambushing the Quintessence & Spectre from behind unawares? Kinda think the Black Winter could do that. I kinda think an amped Galactus could do that. I might even wonder if an unamped Galactus might be able to accomplish that.

And while during Final Crisis, ALE Darkseid crushed a single universe into a singularity, I don't think you can apply ALE amps to True Form Darkseid. ALE is a distinctly separate concept from Darkseid. Even a multiversal conglomeration of all Darkseids throughout the DC Multiverse. And True Form Darkseid was never hinted as possessing the ALE. Last we saw of him was being enslaved by Pariah and being weakened to the point of dogpiling Superboy during Dark Crisis together with other enslaved marquis DC supervillains in a fist-fight.

But probably a discussion better left to a specifically dedicated thread. Unsure if this thread even contemplates a True Form Darkseid.

What are Black Winter's feats of durability? There are plenty of characters who are more offensive than they are defensive (durable). So equating offensive power to durability is faulty?

Now we can give BW the benefit of the doubt and give him AVERAGE Galactus withstanding level durability (without using feats) since its implied he would be to take attacks from Galactus without being outright defeated.

Originally posted by ODG
Surely not, IMHO. If Cosmic Thor could, there would be no point to stealing an amped Galactus' power. I mean, yes, Cosmic Thor definitely wanted to avenge those five consumed worlds by killing amped Galactus but the natural plot escalation implied that Cosmic Thor could never defeat the Black Winter without utilizing amped Galactus' energies. My initial impression is: not comparable. Black Winter's best feat is consuming a universe? True Form Darkseid's best feat is ambushing the Quintessence & Spectre from behind unawares? Kinda think the Black Winter could do that. I kinda think an amped Galactus could do that. I might even wonder if an unamped Galactus might be able to accomplish that.

And while during Final Crisis, ALE Darkseid crushed a single universe into a singularity, I don't think you can apply ALE amps to True Form Darkseid. ALE is a distinctly separate concept from Darkseid. Even a multiversal conglomeration of all Darkseids throughout the DC Multiverse. And True Form Darkseid was never hinted as possessing the ALE. Last we saw of him was being enslaved by Pariah and being weakened to the point of dogpiling Superboy during Dark Crisis together with other enslaved marquis DC supervillains in a fist-fight.

But probably a discussion better left to a specifically dedicated thread. Unsure if this thread even contemplates a True Form Darkseid.
Darkseid consumes a universe and stalements AM in N52, no?
Also, didn't Darkseid already crush timelines due to he was too powerful(even when he was very young/barely just became Darkseid)before Final Crisis?

Originally posted by h1a8
What are Black Winter's feats of durability? There are plenty of characters who are more offensive than they are defensive (durable). So equating offensive power to durability is faulty? I anticipate that I will regret unignoring you. But curiousity + many beers + a seemingly sincere post from you may deserve a response.

Now I don't recall my opinion relying on equating offense w/ defense, but whatever. Straight durability feats? Black Winter was overwhelming amped Galactus and Cosmic Thor in a straight fight so Black Winter was clearly tanking their attacks. Black Winter straight-up withstood Cosmic Thor's godblast.

Black Winter, however, did not survive the Galactus Superbomb. Originally posted by h1a8
Now we can give BW the benefit of the doubt and give him AVERAGE Galactus withstanding level durability (without using feats) since its implied he would be to take attacks from Galactus without being outright defeated. Amped Galactus w/ Cosmic Thor's help was getting overwhelmed by Black Winter in a straight-up fight. So he was clearly taking attacks from an amped Galactus who had assistance and not being defeated. Indeed, Black Winter appeared to be outright winning but for Cosmic Thor's Galactus Superbomb gambit.

I fail to see how an average Galactus has any relevance to measuring Black Winter's durability. I trust you also recognize this and have no intentions of dragging the Black Winter down to an average Galactus' level.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Darkseid consumes a universe and stalements AM in N52, no? To be polite, this strikes me as a very "liberal" interpretation of the scope of Darkseid's power and the Mobius Anti-Monitor incarnation at the start of N52. But maybe I'm too drunk. So I invite you to both (i) cite the feat(s) you're alluding to and, thereafter, (ii) elaborate on the implied repercussions of said feat(s). Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also, didn't Darkseid already crush timelines due to he was too powerful(even when he was very young/barely just became Darkseid)before Final Crisis? See above. What feat are you referring to and please elaborate.

Originally posted by ODG
To be polite, this strikes me as a very "liberal" interpretation of the scope of Darkseid's power and the Mobius Anti-Monitor incarnation at the start of N52. But maybe I'm too drunk. So I invite you to both (i) cite the feat(s)you're alluding to and, thereafter, (ii) elaborate on the implied repercussions of said feat(s). See above. What feat are you referring to and please elaborate.
Originally posted by Galan007
DCnU Darkseid is a bonafide universal+ power...


1.) It was stated that Darkseid can, and has, destroyed/consumed universeS:
http://i.imgur.com/XAEis9O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/d9hvill.jpg

2.) DCnU Anti-Monitor was absorbing "all the power" of entire universeS prior to confronting Darkseid:
http://i.imgur.com/OqwB1Bu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tbLToDY.jpg

3.) Despite AM having absorbed the energy of multiple universeS before fighting Darkseid, they were still roughly equal when they battled. It was only AM's possession/mastery of the ALE(which Darkseid was unaware of, mind you) that finally gave him the edge -- and that was because he used it to take control of the Black Racer/Death, and turn it against Darkseid:
http://i.imgur.com/G1Spd3Y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1QQosdG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e9GhixX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/y76clye.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Zk8Ejkb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vCsifNk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fK1X4C7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aMzNxhF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RHoeAZn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qOK1j2N.jpg

4.) In the wake of Darkseid's 'death', the Parademons attacked Oa and merged his Mother Box with the Central Battery. They needed someone/thing to rule them, and the CB's "infinite" energy was the closest match to Darkseid's power that his Mother Box, with its Source-gleaned "omni-knowledge"(aka. omniscience), could locate:
http://i.imgur.com/jKN2MU7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9vMoodQ.jpg


IOW, he's extremely powerful.
There is also another indication as Darkseid's powers are comparable to CB's power levels(CB's powers later can amp Hal's energy to contain a universe destroying powers in Morrison's run)

As for Darkseid's absence erasing timelines(due to he's too powerful)
Originally posted by Galan007
http://i.imgur.com/4hKb4zKm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2aoh5blm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/dAUzyX9m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rPFsCarm.jpg

g007_teehee



*But seriously, Team 1 wins.
https://ibb.co/kD0vbKN

^ Well, I suppose we can take the time to address the parts of this in turn. So let's begin with the N52 storyline: Darkseid War.

So first thing's first, when's the last time you read Darkseid War? Like the entire story and not just individual scans of panels, much less whole pages?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
As for Darkseid's absence erasing timelines(due to he's too powerful)

https://ibb.co/kD0vbKN Also, this portion of your post doesn't even merit a response. Catastrophic consequences of a character's absence are, in no way, a pound-for-pound indication of their actual power.

Otherwise, 616 Galactus = multiversal power since his absence lead to the Marvel Multiverse collapsing during the Abraxas storyline.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Well, I suppose we can take the time to address the parts of this in turn. So let's begin with the N52 storyline: Darkseid War.

So first thing's first, when's the last time you read Darkseid War? Like the entire story and not just individual scans of panels, much less whole pages?
I think we should both not waste our time and go straight to the point. What are you trying to say here?

Originally posted by ODG
Also, this portion of your post doesn't even merit a response. Catastrophic consequences of a character's absence are, in no way, a pound-for-pound indication of their actual power.

Otherwise, 616 Galactus = multiversal power since his absence lead to the Marvel Multiverse collapsing during the Abraxas storyline.
So did Darkseid destroy a universe or not due to his presence/absence?

Edit:
Also, I like to see where do the comics of FC explicitly state that Darkseid dragging the Multiverse was due to he was amped by ALE

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I think we should both not waste our time and go straight to the point. What are you trying to say here? qwertyuiop1998: *makes claim*

ODG: "I invite you to support that claim with evidence and elaborate your position."

qwertyuiop1998: *quotes someone else*

ODG: "Did you read the source material yourself to even constructively expand on what you think they represent and what those scenes mean?"

qwertyuiop1998: "NO! What do YOU think they mean???? YOU elaborate on what I re-posted!"

ODG: ". . . . ."

You can stand behind your own posts (or re-posts of someone else's posts as it were). But this ain't my first rodeo here on KMC, pal.

And not even my first rodeo with you.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So did Darkseid destroy a universe or not due to his presence/absence?

Edit:
Also, I like to see where do the comics of FC explicitly state that Darkseid dragging the Multiverse was due to he was amped by ALE Your clumsy attempt to shift the burden of proof onto me and have me disprove a negative is obvious and tired. If you want to actually stand behind your posts (or re-posts of someone else???), let me know.

Otherwise, the only constructive result to be had at this point is deconstructing the obvious ploy to avoid actual debate. Not my fault. Your's.

Originally posted by ODG
qwertyuiop1998: *makes claim*

ODG: "I invite you to support that claim with evidence and elaborate your position."

qwertyuiop1998: *quotes someone else*

ODG: "Did you read the source material yourself to even constructively expand on what you think they represent and what those scenes mean?"

qwertyuiop1998: "NO! What do YOU think they mean???? YOU elaborate on what I re-posted!"

ODG: ". . . . ."

You can stand behind your own posts (or re-posts of someone else's posts as it were). But this ain't my first rodeo here on KMC, pal.

And not even my first rodeo with you.
More like
Me: States what happens on panel
ODG: Give me proof of that
Me: Posted them
ODG: Did you read that? Because I feel I know more about them than you
Me: *neither say yes or no, but just doesn't get the patient wasting hours to try to get to the point we're discussing*. Just give me your argument and we can try some meaningful discussion without wasting our time
ODG: Projecting his delusions into a statement that I never made

Originally posted by ODG
Your clumsy attempt to shift the burden of proof onto me and have me disprove a negative is obvious and tired. If you want to actually stand behind your posts (or re-posts of someone else???), let me know.

Otherwise, the only constructive result to be had at this point is deconstructing the obvious ploy to avoid actual debate. Not my fault. Your's.
How can I shift the burden of proof, when what I said is directly posted here, and the evidence you rejected by saying it's not impressive
It seems you're the one who is doing what you're trying to accuse me for

But again, it seems this discussion is prone to plummet to another meaningless "call other's name" discussion, as you seem to just attack me instead of elaborate your point

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
ODG: Did you read that? Because I feel I know more about them than you
Me: *neither say yes or no, but just doesn't get the patient wasting hours to try to get to the point we're discussing*. Just give me your argument and we can try some meaningful discussion without wasting our time You do understand you made the claims to which I asked you to provide evidence and elaborate? Don't try to add rewriting history to your list of fallacious ploys.

You pulled a classic Tricksterpriest and basically reposted a respect thread and refuse to elaborate.

Now I understand that KMC reference may go over your head but that's a KMC classic ploy to avoid having to actually argue your own claim. Make a claim, dump someone else's scans and posts, sit on your hands, and disingenuously act like you're in some position to demand I disprove your claims someone else's posts.

I'm not arguing with Galan007. Don't try and and act like you're in his shoes, pal. Quite frankly, whatever disagreements I've had with him? You'd need to stand on a high chair to kiss his a$$. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But again, it seems this discussion is prone to plummet to another meaningless "call other's name" discussion, as you seem to just attack me instead of elaborate your point Annnnddddd.... this is where you blame me for your own refusal to elaborate your own claims. KMC tactic #105. Classic.

Originally posted by ODG
You do understand you made the claims to which I asked you to provide evidence and elaborate? Don't try to add rewriting history to your list of fallacious ploys.

You pulled a classic Tricksterpriest and basically reposted a respect thread and refuse to elaborate.

Now I understand that KMC reference may go over your head but that's a KMC classic ploy to avoid having to actually argue your own claim. Make a claim, dump someone else's scans and posts, sit on your hands, and disingenuously act like you're in some position to demand I disprove your claims someone else's posts.

I'm not arguing with Galan007. Don't try and and act like you're in his shoes, pal. Quite frankly, whatever disagreements I've had with him? You'd need to stand on a high chair to kiss his a$$.
So do the scans prove what I said or not?

How I quote a post that contain the scans I refer to has anything to do shift burden of proof/doesn't prove what I said?
And how does I quote a post that contains scans equal to I'm letting you debate with said poster?

Again, you're projecting your delusions here

Originally posted by ODG
Annnnddddd.... this is where you blame me for your own refusal to elaborate your own claims. KMC tactic #105. Classic.
I would say judging by the posts you made after I ask you to go straight of your argument, they seem prove my point here.
If you want to give a constructive discussion, then maybe you should give constructive counters instead of calling other's name

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So do the scans prove what I said or not? No, you schmuck. But your continuing audacity is grating. So as an olive branch, I'll disprove a negative, assume the burden of proof, by deconstructing your initial post. N52 Darkseid did not stalemate N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. N52 Darkseid was one-shot by his release of the Black Racer. So I ask again, did you even read Darkseid War?

No, a young Darkseid didn't "crush a timeline". A future version pulled a young Darkseid from the timestream proper that temporally disrupted continuity resulting in catastrophe via the classic fiction trope of the butterfly effect. F@cking Legion killed a young Xavier which resulted in an M'Kraan crystallization wave that destroyed the 616 universe and led to the Age of Apocalypse.

Did young Xavier "crush a timeline"? No, because it was Legion's actions upon him that created the catastrophic butterfly effect. Yet, you stupidly tried to sell that notion with young Darkseid even though it was old Darkseid pulling him from a timeline. Young Xavier was utterly passive. Young Darkseid didn't do sh1t either. They were both passive in the events that led to their respective universes being destroyed by the butterfly effect, you unmitigated moron.

Yet, despite the abject stupidity of such a notion.... Despite you knowing you could not elaborate, much less stand behind such a notion... You're acting like it's my fault that it's taken until now for me to disprove your claim?

Because, somehow... the burden of proof was switched onto me? That's not how constructive and honest discussion works. And you know this. So next time, shut up and leave actual discussion to your betters like Galan007 instead of reposting/twisting his posts, pretending to stand in his shoes to suit your misguidedly myopic propaganda.

Damn!!!

Originally posted by ODG
No, you schmuck. But your continuing arrogance is grating. So as an olive branch, I'll disprove a negative and deconstruct your initial post. N52 Darkseid did not stalemate N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. N52 Darkseid was one-shot by his release of the Black Racer. So I ask again, did you even read Darkseid War?

Not according to the pages I posted, no
Also I think Galan missed a scan where after AM blasted DS(due to he was distracted by Kalibak's scream), DS still managed to punch AM and seemed getting upperhand
https://ibb.co/YWCwwm5

Quite frankingly, I can say I indeed read the comics, and the impression I got is pretty similar to Galan's(and many others)

Originally posted by ODG

No, a young Darkseid didn't "crush a timeline". A future version pulled a young Darkseid from the timestream proper that temporally disrupted continuity resulting in catastrophe via the classic fiction trope of the butterfly effect. F@cking Legion killed a young Xavier which resulted in an M'Kraan crystallization wave that destroyed the 616 universe and led to the Age of Apocalypse.

A young Darkseid caused the destruction of timelines due to he is too powerful/directly related to his power levels, as the scan I posted directly states here
https://ibb.co/hCmK8vN
Which is ironically seems cemented well with what happened in Final Crisis

And I don't think you ever answered another question I posted to you:
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Also, I like to see where do the comics of FC explicitly state that Darkseid dragging the Multiverse was due to he was amped by ALE

Originally posted by ODG
I anticipate that I will regret unignoring you. But curiousity + many beers + a seemingly sincere post from you may deserve a response.

Now I don't recall my opinion relying on equating offense w/ defense, but whatever. Straight durability feats? Black Winter was overwhelming amped Galactus and Cosmic Thor in a straight fight so Black Winter was clearly tanking their attacks. Black Winter straight-up withstood Cosmic Thor's godblast.

Black Winter, however, did not survive the Galactus Superbomb. Amped Galactus w/ Cosmic Thor's help was getting overwhelmed by Black Winter in a straight-up fight. So he was clearly taking attacks from an amped Galactus who had assistance and not being defeated. Indeed, Black Winter appeared to be outright winning but for Cosmic Thor's Galactus Superbomb gambit.

I fail to see how an average Galactus has any relevance to measuring Black Winter's durability. I trust you also recognize this and have no intentions of dragging the Black Winter down to an average Galactus' level.

Thank you for that response. The question was genuine as I didn't read the entire arc and missed the fight with amped Galactus with Thor fighting him.
Only saw scans of Thor using Galactus as a bomb (which came after the initial fight as you explained).

The reason why I said average Galactus because I assumed that was the only version (basically a non amped version) that fought BW off panel before the arc began. Which is the reason Galactus was running from him.

So disregard what I said since I didn't know about the fight you just mentioned.

So basically it took Galans total energy at once to kill BW. While small portions at a time (in blasts) did almost nothing to BW.
Is this correct?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Not according to the pages I posted, no
Also I think Galan missed a scan where after AM blasted DS(due to he was distracted by Kalibak's scream), DS still managed to punch AM and seemed getting upperhand
https://ibb.co/YWCwwm5 Nobody argued N52 Darkseid couldn't punch N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. Stop moving the goalposts you yourself initially set. You claimed he stalemated him. So stop fleeing from the consequences of your own claim's deconstruction. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
A young Darkseid caused the destruction of timelines due to he is too powerful/directly related to his power levels, as the scan I posted directly states here
https://ibb.co/hCmK8vN Disingenuous dumba$$. Taking a more consequentially significant historical figure out of their timeline will have a more drastic butterfly effect on said timeline. Stop pretending that you don't understand basic science fiction tropes.

Also, stop pretending that you read the actual storyline. Because if you continue reading The Legion #29-30, you'd see young Darkseid killing that old Darkseid in a futile attempt to usurp his place. Only to be ironically horrified that the reversion timewave threatened that future with young Darkseid in it and he couldn't do crap about it.

So what does his helplessness signify? That young Darkseid possessed supreme universal power to crush timelines? Even though he couldn't do sh1t to protect himself from a time reversion wave? Or that despite his historical significance, even he was just as helpless as anybody else to the most common consequence of the butterfly effect?

The central conceit of the story climaxed in a comeuppance punctuated by his hubris being called out and mocked as "Dorkseid":
https://photobucket.com/u/OneDumbG0/a/4f85b22e-8a9a-4937-aa75-de27b06e27d7/p/c09a1f66-6134-4fd1-b3d0-6ca7e5f267f0

What delusional-pixiedust-candyland-Bizarro-world, fantasy do you live in that you can peddle this storyline as reflecting well on Darkseid, much less as proof that "Darkseid already crush timelines" (your words)????? ffs

Originally posted by h1a8
Thank you for that response. The question was genuine as I didn't read the entire arc and missed the fight with amped Galactus with Thor fighting him.
Only saw scans of Thor using Galactus as a bomb (which came after the initial fight as you explained).

The reason why I said average Galactus because I assumed that was the only version (basically a non amped version) that fought BW off panel before the arc began. Which is the reason Galactus was running from him.

So disregard what I said since I didn't know about the fight you just mentioned. qwertyuiop1998's lunacy was testing my patience. So in all sincerity, your honesty is refreshing. Originally posted by h1a8
So basically it took Galans total energy at once to kill BW. While small portions at a time (in blasts) did almost nothing to BW.
Is this correct? Yes, correct. Here are scans of the fight that involved amped Galactus directly fighting the Black Winter -- minus the mentally/spiritually??? internal fight that Cosmic Thor struggled through -- but right before Cosmic Thor stole amped Galactus' power and detonated the Galactus Superbomb:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter01.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter03.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter04.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter05.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter06.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter07.jpg

To be clear, at no point beyond amped Galactus being slammed into the moon does he attack the Black Winter. That's because that's exactly the point where Cosmic Thor steals all of his amped Power Cosmic.

Might as well post the entire conclusion:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter08.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter09.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter10.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter11_5o9vKxM9vJeFDZWuQNnPfC.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter12.jpg
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Look, what Cosmic Thor achieved is ludicrous. And even though there's not a single hint of Galactus unintentionally giving Thor a backdoor into the Power Cosmic... there's just no explaining what he did otherwise.

Originally posted by ODG
Nobody argued N52 Darkseid couldn't punch N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. Stop moving the goalposts you yourself initially set. You claimed he stalemated him. So stop fleeing from the consequences of your own claim's deconstruction. Disingenuous dumba$$.
I think you missed the whole sentence "Not according to the pages I posted".
Darkseid and AM fought 6 pages
Darkseid and AM clashed, neither shows any power gap in here
https://ibb.co/svr9ZyV
Then as the fight goes on there are one pages shows Grail's fight
https://ibb.co/L5Qzg8q
And then AM blasts DS due to he is distracted
https://ibb.co/tbCmxHL
Then there are still two pages of Superman and Lex, then the next time we saw DS and AM, DS punched AM and gaining upper hand
https://ibb.co/5ksjTd2
https://ibb.co/PMRxpj1
https://ibb.co/YWCwwm5
And later, DS calls Black Racer and the odds change in this fight

I.E, throughout the entire fight, with at least 6 pages time, there isn't any sign shows a definite power gap between them. So yes, I would call this is a stalemate

It also meshes well with the scene in Forever Evil where AM needed to consume universes to prepare his battle with DS
https://ibb.co/BHM8V9t
https://ibb.co/JK3XDfw
Originally posted by ODG
Taking a more consequentially significant historical figure out of their timeline will have a more drastic butterfly effect on said timeline. Stop pretending that you don't understand basic science fiction tropes.

Also, stop pretending that you read the actual storyline. Because if you continue reading The Legion #29-30, you'd see young Darkseid killing that old Darkseid in a futile attempt to usurp his place. Only to be ironically horrified that the reversion timewave threatened that future with young Darkseid in it and he couldn't do crap about it.

So what does his helplessness signify? That young Darkseid possessed supreme universal power to crush timelines? Even though he couldn't do sh1t to protect himself from a time reversion wave? Or that despite his historical significance, even he was just as helpless as anybody else to the most common consequence of the butterfly effect?

The central conceit of the story climaxed in a comeuppance punctuated by his hubris being called out and mocked as "Dorkseid":
https://photobucket.com/u/OneDumbG0/a/4f85b22e-8a9a-4937-aa75-de27b06e27d7/p/c09a1f66-6134-4fd1-b3d0-6ca7e5f267f0

What delusional-pixiedust-candyland-Bizarro-world, fantasy do you live in that you can peddle this storyline as reflecting well on Darkseid, much less as proof that "Darkseid already crush timelines" (your words)????? ffs
And Cosmic Thor brought to his knees by a random alien throws a rock
https://ibb.co/FbPV5QN
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just surprised?

He was on his damn knees, lol.

https://i.postimg.cc/s2vV45HT/11.jpg

And yes, I read the entire arc, which is why I think that you don't have a scan that explicitly states what you claimed/directly contradicts to Darkseid states the reason for timelines collapsing is due to they're too powerful
Similar to you don't have the scan that directly states DS dragging the entire Multiverse is due to he's amped by ALE in the FC comics.

IOW, you can consider this I call you like to project your delusions/headcanon into the actual comics.
And judging by the following posts, I also think it shows that you like to project your delusions into others(jumping to conclusion that others don't read the comics they're citing and acting like an authority for example)

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And later, DS calls Black Racer and the odds change in this fight That's a really deceitful colorful way of trying to avoid admitting that N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor outright killed N52 Darkseid:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius01.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius03.jpg

D1s sh1t is stupider than quanchi112 arguing that Thanos stalemated Odin. FFS, Odin didn't even outright kill Thanos. N52 Mobius ANti-Monitor literally killed N52 Darkseid. Stalemate, my a$$. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And Cosmic Thor brought to his knees by a random alien throws a rock
https://ibb.co/FbPV5QN I mean, if you wanted to disprove my imaginary claim that Cosmic Thor was effectively immune to rocks/bricks, ok? I never claimed that. So this has nothing to do with the deconstruction of your initial post...

... oh wait, that's right. You're just deflecting and moving the goalposts. Oops, forgot that's what you're reduced to once called out.

Whatever. Dorkseid is uber. You can believe that. And I never said you don't have an argument. But acting like future Darkseid pulling a young Dorkseid out of his timeline causing a temporal revision wave via butterfly effect is proof that young Dorkseid "crush timelines"???

You aren't nearly clever enough nor am I nearly gullible enough to dignify such a witless claim any further.

Originally posted by ODG
That's a really deceitful colorful way of trying to avoid admitting that N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor outright killed N52 Darkseid:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius01.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius03.jpg

D1s sh1t is stupider than quanchi112 arguing that Thanos stalemated Odin. FFS, Odin didn't even outright kill Thanos. N52 Mobius ANti-Monitor literally killed N52 Darkseid. Stalemate, my a$$.
He was aided by the Black Racer, a being who just instantly wound him, no?
https://ibb.co/89TCq45

And if we want to count use the fight scene where BR enters the room, well, Darkseid is winning before AM turns BR into his slave
https://ibb.co/4j0FTJ1
https://ibb.co/dMhY8L1
https://ibb.co/9gRvb3H

I.E, whether you want to count BR or not, DS and AM are portraled as roughly equal in there

Originally posted by ODG
That's a really deceitful colorful way of trying to avo I mean, if you wanted to disprove my imaginary claim that Cosmic Thor was effectively immune to rocks/bricks, ok? I never claimed that. So this has nothing to do with the deconstruction of your initial post...

... oh wait, that's right. You're just deflecting and moving the goalposts. Oops, forgot that's what you're reduced to once called out.

Whatever. Dorkseid is uber. You can believe that. And I never said you don't have an argument. But acting like future Darkseid pulling a young Dorkseid out of his timeline causing a temporal revision wave via butterfly effect is proof that young Dorkseid "crush timelines"???

You aren't nearly clever enough nor am I nearly gullible enough to dignify such a witless claim any further.
So I guess DS really just needs powers that above a rock(like ten times?) to knock out Cosmic Thor. Sounds like DS is going to win this fight

Yes, you're the one who is constantly moving the goalposts.
I said Darkseid's absence erasing timelines(due to he's too powerful), which is true, as directly states in the comic
I said DS stalements AM, which is also supported by the comic

While I ask you:
How does DS not stalement AM, despite all these pages above? And you posted a conclusion of that fight, which AM aided by BR
How does the statement "DS' absence caused timelines to crush down due to he is too powerful, with the scans directly state such, is wrong? You pull butterfly theory which doesn't contradict what I said
Where do the FC comics explicitly state that ALE amp Darkseid so he can pull the Multiverse? You never answered

Edit:
Also the "immune to rocks/bricks" seems a bit hypocritical,
As in the same spirit, I also can say I never say DS immune to the timewave he caused, only the fact that his absence was causing such timewave(which directly related to his power levels)

And yet, you're going to accuse me for that?

Oi vey. I really flubbed up some of the Black Winter scans. Reposting fixed links and more for context from Thor #4-6:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter00.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter00a.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter00b.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter01.jpg

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter02.jpg
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https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter06.jpg
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https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter08.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter09_3zJ8Tr5jDcNA7g9Qs3nqJa.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter10.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter11_5o9vKxM9vJeFDZWuQNnPfC.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter12.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter13.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter14_35PCytaun1q4jqKMif9pkz.jpg

If you want to know what Thor's apocalyptic vision was, read the book.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
He was aided by the Black Racer, a being who just instantly wound him, no?
https://ibb.co/89TCq45 JFC, this is why my first question was whether you even read Darkseid War. The Black Racer gambit was a manifestation of his ALE powers. The ALE was an intrinsic part of N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. In the N52 retcon, it's what literally transformed him from Mobius into N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor as revealed by Mobius Chair-empowered Batman's investigation. It's why he says in the scans I posted that the ALE is in his veins.
You'd phucking know that if you actually read Darkseid War, much less read the scans I posted.

And from the very beginning of this tragic discussion, your initial, idiotic claim that N52 Darkseid "stalemated" N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor only belied the obvious: you never phucking actually read Darkseid War. Which is why I insisted on asking you if you ever did.

How are you the spiritual successor to quanchi112's "Thanos stalemated Odin" asininity????

I'm almost tempted to give you sick applause for exceeding such KMC-historic levels of brainlessness. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So I guess DS really just needs powers that above a rock(like ten times?) to knock out Cosmic Thor. Baby Jesus wept. Definitely the stupidest strawman I've ever encountered during my entire history of posting on KMC.

When someone makes a Revamped qwertyuiop1998 Respect Thread, that post will be right at the top of the Stupid Feats Section.

I sincerely regret having led you by your clown nose and reducing your ego to such raw impotent imbecility.

Originally posted by ODG
JFC, this is why my first question was whether you even read Darkseid War. The Black Racer gambit was a manifestation of his ALE powers. The ALE was an intrinsic part of N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. In the N52 retcon, it's what literally transformed him from Mobius into N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor as revealed by Mobius Chair-empowered Batman's investigation. It's why he says in the scans I posted that the ALE is in his veins.
You'd phucking know that if you actually read Darkseid War, much less read the scans I posted.

And from the very beginning of this tragic discussion, your initial, idiotic claim that N52 Darkseid "stalemated" N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor only belied the obvious: you never phucking actually read Darkseid War. Which is why I insisted on asking you if you ever did.

How are you the spiritual successor to quanchi112's "Thanos stalemated Odin" asininity????

I'm almost tempted to give you sick applause for exceeding such KMC-historic levels of brainlessness. Baby Jesus wept. Definitely the stupidest strawman I've ever encountered during my entire history of posting on KMC.

When someone makes a Revamped qwertyuiop1998 Respect Thread, that post will be right at the top of the Stupid Feats Section.

I sincerely regret having led you by your clown nose and reducing your ego to such raw impotent imbecility.
I think you're missing the point here or simply misunderstanding the comic.
It is DS who has the BR in the first place. AM takes control of it *after* DS summoned it.
I.E, BR isn't an innate power that AM has

And I'm quite tired of "I'm the authority here because only I read the comics!!!" or "you're stupid, I'm right!!!" attitude.
It's just shows your arrogance at this point.

Edit:
Also it seems you're ignoring all other points/scans/proofs/the questions I ask here, only the insults to other posters remain. Which is no surprise judging by the past discussions we have I guess

I only have two KMC posters on my ignore list. One is quanchi112. Yet, with qwertyuiop1998's insistence on "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" schtick, I daresay he's plainly exceeded quanchi112's most commonly KMC-wide ridiculed stance of "Thanos stalemated Odin".

And y'know, thinking about that just now... it strikes me that qwertyuiop1998's a sock of abhilegend. The only other KMC poster on my ignore list (which is saying something).

The combination of moronic insincerity, sadomasochistic drive for continuing humiliation, flagrant DC-centric myth propaganda, and desperate bids for attention are reminiscent of that clown.

It actually drove a shiver up my spine. I am legitimately disquieted.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I only have two KMC posters on my ignore list. One is quanchi112. Yet, with your insistence on "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" schtick, I daresay you've exceeded quanchi112's most KMC-wide ridiculed stance of "Thanos stalemated Odin".

And y'know, thinking about that just now... it strikes me that you're a sock of abhilegend. The only other KMC poster on my ignore list (which is saying something).

The combination of moronic insincerity, sadomasochistic drive for continuing humiliation, and desperate bids for attention are reminiscent of that clown.

It actually drove a shiver up my spine. I am legitimately disquieted.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Again, you're projecting your delusions here

But this is probably the most hilarious and shows your delusional mind post in my experience with you.

Saved

odg having another meltdown?

Sock Gate 2: ODG's bussy

is gonna be better than

Sock Gate 1: Fall of Mr Master

grabs popcorn.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But this is probably the most hilarious and shows your delusional mind post in my experience with you.

Saved I mean, if I were being completely truthful. You're stupider than abhilegend was back when I put him on ignore in 2012. But that may just be a result of a gradual descent into dumba$$ery. Some people don't grow with age. They just get dumber.

I am legitimately unnerved.

Old Man Whirly! making a random sock to flame himself to accuse me and others of organized conspiracies against him was one thing. Because it was just so blatantly obvious.

This... this is altogether something far more insidious and sinister. Not like evil. It's the obsession that would have to underlie it all. Originally posted by MrMind
odg having another meltdown? I mean. I could be wrong. It's just that I legitimately never expected anybody to ever be more obsessively stupid than quanchi112 or abhilegend over simple comics.

And I wholly get that this seems to be excessively nasty. But for real, mang. The notion struck my mind out of the blue just now. I recall accusing qwertyuiop1998 of being a sock a while back but never made a connection with an actual KMC poster until now.

Originally posted by MrMind
odg having another meltdown?
Clearly, I got smuggled by ODG to another country.

Originally posted by ODG
I mean, if I were being completely truthful. You're stupider than abhilegend was back when I put him on ignore in 2012. But that may just be a result of a gradual descent into dumba$$ery. Some people don't grow with age. They just get dumber.

I am legitimately unnerved.

Old Man Whirly! making a random sock to flame himself to accuse me and others of organized conspiracies against him was one thing. Because it was just so blatantly obvious.

This... this is altogether something far more insidious and sinister. Not like evil. It's the obsession that would have to underlie it all. I mean. I could be wrong. It's just that I legitimately never expected anybody to ever be more obsessively stupid than quanchi112 or abhilegend over simple comics.

And I wholly get that this seems to be excessively nasty. But for real, mang. The notion struck my mind out of the blue just now. I recall accusing qwertyuiop1998 of being a sock a while back but never made a connection with an actual KMC poster until now.
TBF, it just seems to be showing you have some delusional disorder

There also are some words in my language strike to me as a good description for you
https://i.ibb.co/gDScy7J/12.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/71kdygm/13.jpg

*wink to Mrmind*

So we all agree Darkseid wins??

Originally posted by ODG
I mean, if I were being completely truthful. You're stupider than abhilegend was back when I put him on ignore in 2012. It's just that I legitimately never expected anybody to ever be more obsessively stupid than quanchi112 or abhilegend over simple comics.



LMAO, still running rent free in this retard's head after literally more than a decade.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TBF, it just seems to be showing you have some delusional disorder

There also are some words in my language strike to me as a good description for you
https://i.ibb.co/gDScy7J/12.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/71kdygm/13.jpg Yea, that's it! It was you actually referring to me as "OneDumbG0" like last year, a username I hadn't used since 2012 -- coincidentally the same year I put abhilegend on ignore????

Even though you only ever joined KMC in 2018????? I was like... wtf? But I dunno, our ensuing discussions and threads went so badly for you that I just never gave that initial impression another thought.

Like, literally, until just now. Like on scout's honor.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
So we all agree Darkseid wins??
Of course.

Originally posted by ODG
Yea, that's it! It was you actually referring to me as "OneDumbG0" like last year, a username I hadn't used since 2012 -- coincidentally the same year I put abhilegend on ignore????

Even though you only ever joined KMC in 2018????? I was like... wtf? But I dunno, our ensuing discussions and threads went so badly for you that I just never gave that initial impression another thought.

Like, literally, until just now. Like on scout's honor.
Is he implying qwerty is my sock?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Originally posted by ODG
Yea, that's it! It was you actually referring to me as "OneDumbG0" like last year, a username I hadn't used since 2012 -- coincidentally the same year I put abhilegend on ignore????

Even though you only ever joined KMC in 2018????? I was like... wtf? But I dunno, our ensuing discussions and threads went so badly for you that I just never gave that initial impression another thought.

Like, literally, until just now. Like on scout's honor.
Or because KMCers call your Dumb once in a while?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You've read that page, yes? Or a single scan is too much for you, OneDumb?
From my favorite poster

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is he implying qwerty is my sock?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Originally posted by ODG

And y'know, thinking about that just now... it strikes me that qwertyuiop1998's a sock of abhilegend. The only other KMC poster on my ignore list (which is saying something).
Apparently I'm Mr Master's long lost foreign twin

Oh no. Either qwertyuiop1998 summoned abhilegend with inner monologue or I'm guessing they don't like being associated with each other.

I'm creeped out. Legit don't want to believe it because the implications of are so disturbing.

2012 abhilegend > 2024 qwertyuiop1998

And the latter's idiocy somehow exceeded the only two KMC posters I have on my ignore list. A monumental achievement I'd never think possible.

Dude, get help. You're legitimately stupid.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
From my favorite poster Bruh. "OneDumb" ain't "OneDumbG0". And you never referred to me as "OneDumb" anyway. You referred to me as straight up "OneDumbG0" out of the blue like last year in one of our first discussions.

And more than that, a simple search shows that StiltmanFTW has made a grand total of two posts typing out "OneDumbG0" since 2011.

You just making yourself more sus, mang.

Originally posted by ODG
Bruh. "OneDumb" ain't "OneDumbG0". And you never referred to me as "OneDumb" anyway. You referred to me as straight up "OneDumbG0" out of the blue like last year in one of our first discussions.

And more than that, a simple search shows that StiltmanFTW has made a grand total of two posts typing out "OneDumbG0" since 2011.

You just making yourself more sus, mang.
Yeah, it's not like he calls "OneDumb" like it's your name, and you can't click a user's page to see their previous names or something.
Oh wait.

But again, I can still give you the offering years ago.
Let a mod do an ID search or something to confirm.
And if I am not a sock, you're going to get banned for a few days.
Agree?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, it's not like you can't click a user's page and see their previous names.
Oh wait.

But again, I can still give you the offering years ago.
Let a mod do an ID search or something to confirm.
And if I am not a sock, you're going to get banned for a few days.
Agree? Holy sh1t. Deja vu: "Given that I've had multiple IP addresses but wouldn't know a poster's decade old username, I'd do nothing but stay with the same conclusion. But go ahead, ask a mod if your IP address matches any past poster."

As I said when you randomly referred to me by "OneDumbG0" out of the blue a year or so ago, IP searches don't mean anything. And a few days ban isn't exactly consequential to me anyway? However...

I'll agree to your challenge if you agree that the mods review the claims you've tried to peddle here over "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" AND "Darkseid crushed timelines" and find them credible or not.

So. Bet.

To be clear, I meant two separate but concurrent bets. Both with the same consequences for losing.

I already know that IP addresses can easily been hidden/VPN'ed. Old Man Whirly!'s antics throughout KMC's history have definitively established that. So that's a guaranteed losing bet for me. But, whatever.

So long as we revolve back to the initial genesis of our discussion in this thread. Me challenging your claims that you ran away from: "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" AND "young Darkseid crushed timelines".

Originally posted by ODG
Holy sh1t. Deja vu: "Given that I've had multiple IP addresses but wouldn't know a poster's decade old username, I'd do nothing but stay with the same conclusion. But go ahead, ask a mod if your IP address matches any past poster."

As I said when you randomly referred to me by "OneDumbG0" out of the blue a year or so ago, IP searches don't mean anything. And a few days ban isn't exactly consequential to me anyway? However...

I'll agree to your challenge if you agree that the mods review the claims you've tried to peddle here over "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" and/or "Darkseid crushed timelines" and find them credible or not.

So. Bet.
Originally posted by ODG
To be clear, I meant two separate but concurrent bets. Both with the same consequences for losing.

I already know that IP addresses can easily been hidden/VPN'ed. Old Man Whirly!'s antics throughout KMC's history have definitively established that. So that's a guaranteed losing bet for me. But, whatever.

So long as we revolve back to the initial genesis of our discussion in this thread. Me challenging your claims that you ran away from: "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" AND "young Darkseid crushed timelines".
You literally just says I could be Abhi's sock in just a few posts ago. Mods certainly can do a IP check between me and him, no?
Or give me any poster you feel I may be. Otherwise, you're just pulling shit on me/use attacking the person argument

The point isn't about being consequential, it's about addressing your baseless slanders
So no, I wouldn't change the offer.
It's *you* who first brought up the sock subject(and following attacks to me personally ) instead of actually talking to comics.
And now you want to deflect it back? Sorry, I don't think so

^ Bruh; tldr.

I accepted your challenge with a simple concurrent stipulated challenge.

It's a yes or no.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Bruh; tldr.

I accepted your challenge with a simple concurrent stipulated challenge.

It's a yes or no.
The challenge is first to prove that I'm a sock is true.
The DS and AM's interpretation we can continue after the first challenge is finished.

You want to talk comics, sure, we can talk comics
But if you want things to get personally, well, things get personally.

^ So you're acting indignant and invoking honest on-topic comics discussion as the righteous goal...

... challenging me on my personal sockitude attacks, which is a challenge I will agree to...

... but refusing to accept my concurrent challenge to revert back to honest on-topic comics discussion. Your supposed goal in the first place. Hmmm.

https://media.tenor.com/RdTJtSL1KFYAAAAM/sus-bro-is-sus.gif

Now you'll never admit it, but my personal attacks are really just a biting indictment of your insincere trollery as your arguments shock the conscience. Nobody could be that stupid. But like I said -- and you pretend to also insist upon -- let's bring it back to the comics. Accept the concurrent challenge that solely focuses on the comics.

I mean... sh1t. When you think about it, all of the scans you reposted were Galan007's. So not only did I guarantee a losing bet on the IP check challenge, but I also arguably stacked the deck against myself with my own concurrent challenge since Galan007 is also one of the mods. So what's your problem?

In short, with stacked bets against me on both ends, your indignancy rings false.

Originally posted by ODG
^ So you're acting indignant and invoking honest on-topic comics discussion as the righteous goal...

... challenging me on my personal sockitude attacks, which is a challenge I will agree to...

... but refusing to accept my concurrent challenge to revert back to honest on-topic comics discussion. Your supposed goal in the first place. Hmmm.

https://media.tenor.com/RdTJtSL1KFYAAAAM/sus-bro-is-sus.gif

Now you'll never admit it, but my personal attacks are really just a biting indictment of your insincere trollery as your arguments shock the conscience. Nobody could be that stupid. But like I said -- and you pretend to also insist upon -- let's bring it back to the comics. Accept the concurrent challenge that solely focuses on the comics.

I mean... sh1t. When you think about it, all of the scans you reposted were Galan007's. So not only did I guarantee a losing bet on the IP check challenge, but I also arguably stacked the deck against myself with my own concurrent challenge since Galan007 is also one of the mods. So what's your problem?

In short, with stacked bets against me on both ends, your indignancy rings false.
Or I could just be tired of your BS?For me, It's hard to debate with someone who constantly making personal attacks and slanders.
And it's harder to give them slack. Especially it's you who first brought this subject up(along other insults throughout our discussions)

But it seems you're trying to deflect your actions of insults and slanders by changing subject. If I want to project some theory on you.
Two can play the game

If you want to focus on comics, maybe you shouldn't bring up personal attacks in the first place? Like I said, if you make things personal, then things will get personal.
Originally posted by ODG
I only have two KMC posters on my ignore list. One is quanchi112. Yet, with qwertyuiop1998's insistence on "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" schtick, I daresay he's plainly exceeded quanchi112's most commonly KMC-wide ridiculed stance of "Thanos stalemated Odin".

And y'know, thinking about that just now... it strikes me that qwertyuiop1998's a sock of abhilegend. The only other KMC poster on my ignore list (which is saying something).

The combination of moronic insincerity, sadomasochistic drive for continuing humiliation, flagrant DC-centric myth propaganda, and desperate bids for attention are reminiscent of that clown.

It actually drove a shiver up my spine. I am legitimately disquieted.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Bruh; tldr.

I accepted your challenge with a simple concurrent stipulated challenge.

It's a yes or no.

Originally posted by ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The challenge is first to prove that I'm a sock is true.
The DS and AM's interpretation we can continue after the first challenge is finished.

You want to talk comics, sure, we can talk comics
But if you want things to get personally, well, things get personally.
And ironically, you literally just posted a wall of text, and you blame others' posts are too long?

It is very funny to say tl;dr when most of the post is just quoting you.

I'm not even being sarcastic, that's just either unintentionally pretty funny or great trolling.

Yeah, Odg wrote a wall of text but somehow thinks the post I made is too long(in which most of it just Odg's quotes)

Originally posted by Smurph
It is very funny to say tl;dr when most of the post is just quoting you. crackers

I'm not even being sarcastic, sneer that's just either unintentionally pretty funny excellent or great trolling. peaches In any event, here fixed: Originally posted by ODG
^ Bruh; tldr.

I accepted your challenge with a simple concurrent stipulated challenge.

It's a yes or no. biscuits

Just to be clear, the sock checking function on this site is absolute dogshit and likely hasn't been updated since like 2010(and even that's being generous.)

tl;dr
You'd have to be a complete dumbass to actually get banned that way here.

Question, why couldn't Thor just absorb Darkseid power like he did Galactus? By the way, Galactus absorption fts>Darkseid, so it should be easier to achieve tbh.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
So we all agree Darkseid wins??

No, that has yet to be proven. CK Thor was a universal plus threat.

Originally posted by carver9
Question, why couldn't Thor just absorb Darkseid power like he did Galactus? By the way, Galactus absorption fts>Darkseid, so it should be easier to achieve tbh.
Originally posted by Stoic
No, that has yet to be proven. CK Thor was a universal plus threat.
What universal feat does he have?

Originally posted by Stoic
No, that has yet to be proven. CK Thor was a universal plus threat. How so? He has zero feats proving that he can one shot a universe let alone a galaxy.

Originally posted by carver9
Question, why couldn't Thor just absorb Darkseid power like he did Galactus? By the way, Galactus absorption fts>Darkseid, so it should be easier to achieve tbh. That's begging someone to disprove a negative.

And conflating Cosmic Thor's energy absorption feats w/ Galactus' doesn't support shifting the burden of proof.

Originally posted by carver9
Question, why couldn't Thor just absorb Darkseid power like he did Galactus? By the way, Galactus absorption fts>Darkseid, so it should be easier to achieve tbh.

ODG said it best
Originally posted by ODG
...I will continue to posit that Cosmic Thor's feats against Galactus were necessarily connected to inadvertent backdoor access to the Power Cosmic as a whole

Originally posted by h1a8
ODG said it best

Mjlonir doesn't just absorb power cosmic. It absorbs all forms of energy. We can't just limit that scene to power cosmic.

Originally posted by carver9
Mjlonir doesn't just absorb power cosmic. It absorbs all forms of energy. We can't just limit that scene to power cosmic.

Absorb blasts and ambient energy vs drain a being are two different things. Are you suggesting that classic Thor can drain Galactus, Thanos, etc just all the same? Or Odin can do this himself?

Mjolnir can absorb energy of any type. Thor has done this repeatedly in the past. He cracked open a Celestial's armor by absorbing the electromagnetic energy of a planet, and used it to augment his striking power for example. Draining creatures that are not expressly composed of energy isn't something that I've seen him do in the past, but if he fought a Captain Atom/Major Force type, he would begin with an advantage due to Mjolnir's ability to absorb, or drain energy. With an Asgardian spell, Thor was able to pull Loki"s soul out of his body.

Originally posted by Stoic
Mjolnir can absorb energy of any type. Thor has done this repeatedly in the past. He cracked open a Celestial's armor by absorbing the electromagnetic energy of a planet, and used it to augment his striking power for example. Draining creatures that are not expressly composed of energy isn't something that I've seen him do in the past, but if he fought a Captain Atom/Major Force type, he would begin with an advantage due to Mjolnir's ability to absorb, or drain energy. With an Asgardian spell, Thor was able to pull Loki"s soul out of his body.

You didn't read my post. I stated there was a difference between absorbing AMBIENT energy vs draining a being.

Ok point out all the times he drained a being of all it's energy and powers?

You and Carver are suggesting a no limits fallacy. Thor (even classic Thor), Odin, etc can drain ANY being. For example, classic Thor can drain Celestials, Black Winter, Knull, LT, Thanos, IG, etc.

Originally posted by ODG
I fail to see how an average Galactus has any relevance to measuring Black Winter's durability. I trust you also recognize this and have no intentions of dragging the Black Winter down to an average Galactus' level.

Interesting you say this, because if we add 2+2 together, I can get potato:

https://i.postimg.cc/zXGbcHd1/28-1.jpg

Dominions fear Galactus.

https://i.postimg.cc/DwqTQBqf/36.jpg
Dominions also make the Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby.

Proof it was a Dominion:
https://i.postimg.cc/7Zv4TpJQ/42.jpg

So Black Winter <<<<< Dominon, who is/are <= Galactus/Phoenix.

And Phoenix = Legion +Hope.
As I said, 2+2 = Potato.

To be fair the Dominion species are powerful as collectives, but not necessarily as individual beings.

It doesn't matter whether the President and the Minister of Defense can authorize a nuclear strike, they're still going to fear a grizzly bear in a chance encounter.

Originally posted by Astner
To be fair the Dominion species are powerful as collectives, but not necessarily as individual beings.

It doesn't matter whether the President and the Minister of Defense can authorize a nuclear strike, they're still going to fear a grizzly bear in a chance encounter.

Loki said he caught a glimpse of ONE, which is what he said made the BW look like an angry jelly baby.

Nice analogy, though. If applicable.

Edit: note too, that the description of A Dominion (singular) calls them categorically (not colloquially) godlike.

Dominions aren't being, but collectives of Titans, which in turn are ascended societies with a shared intellect.

https://i.imgur.com/F7QnNTIm.png https://i.imgur.com/6pXn1tqm.png

- Powers of X #5

Originally posted by Astner
Dominions aren't being, but collectives of Titans, which in turn are ascended societies with a shared intellect.

https://i.imgur.com/F7QnNTIm.png https://i.imgur.com/6pXn1tqm.png

- Powers of X #5

Agreed, but that was not your point.

A singular Dominion is very powerful. Powerful enough to be categorically gods, in terms of power.

A singular Dominion is powerful enough to make the BW look like an angry jelly baby. And a singular Dominion is scared of Galactus. Your original post, to be fair, was wrong.

A singular Dominion isn't a singular being, and Loki doesn't even refer to it as a singular being he refers to it as "things that have dominion." Maybe a better analogy would be looking at an excavation project (with dynamite) and say that it makes tigers look harmless in comparison, when even a smaller cat like a jaguar would instill fear in the workers if it roamed around on the excavation site.

Originally posted by Astner
A singular Dominion isn't a singular being, and Loki doesn't even refer to it as a singular being he refers to it as "things that have dominion." Maybe a better analogy would be looking at an excavation project (with dynamite) and say that it makes tigers look harmless in comparison, when even a smaller cat like a jaguar would instill fear in the workers if it roamed around on the excavation site.

It doesn't change the point that a singular Dominion makes BW look like an angry jelly baby, and a singular Dominion is scared of G.

And Loki said he caught a glimpse of ONE. And it was this one that he saw. And it was this ONE thing that made the BW look like an angry jelly baby.

Never disputed that a Dominion isn't a collective, btw, so not sure what your attempt at point pivoting and water muddying is attempting to do?

Originally posted by Astner
To be fair the Dominion species are powerful as collectives, but not necessarily as individual beings.

It doesn't matter whether the President and the Minister of Defense can authorize a nuclear strike, they're still going to fear a grizzly bear in a chance encounter.
Your mistake is in saying they're individual beings. They're not, they're a collective.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It doesn't change the point that a singular Dominion makes BW look like an angry jelly baby, and a singular Dominion is scared of G.

And Loki said he caught a glimpse of ONE. And it was this one that he saw. And it was this ONE thing that made the BW look like an angry jelly baby.
He said he "caught a glimpse of something out there that makes him look like an angry jelly-baby," "things that had dominion."

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your mistake is in saying they're individual beings. They're not, they're a collective.
Yeah I misspoke, it was before I looked it up again and I had a hazy recollection of what they were. Dominions are collectives of Titans.

Originally posted by Astner
He said he "caught a glimpse of something out there that makes him look like an angry jelly-baby," "things that had dominion."


Yeah I misspoke, it was before I looked it up again and I had a hazy recollection of what they were. Dominions are collectives of Titans. "But it looked like ONE had....."

One. Singular.

SomeTHING. Singular.

There are THINGS. Plural.

To use your analogy, there are tigers out there. I saw something that was scary. I saw a glimpse of one out there.

Therefore, I saw a singular tiger. That tiger was scary. Not.....the entire population of the world's tigers, lol.

Yes. One of the things that had Dominion. That would be a Titan or a part of a Titan (since they're technically collectives too), wouldn't it?

Oh you're saying part of a Dominion is what makes BW look like an angry jelly baby? Because that's what Loki saw. He saw 'one' thing, and that 'one thing' made BW look like an angry jelly baby.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He saw 'one' thing,
No, he saw "things that had dominion," one of which had it's eye on the next incarnation of the cosmos.

Originally posted by Astner
No, he saw "things that had dominion," one of which had it's eye on the next incarnation of the cosmos.

Quote the part where Loki said he "Saw things (emphasis mine) that had Dominion". I will wait.

Do not add and misinterpret evidence to fit your hypothesis. That's wrong.

I caught a glimpse of something out there that would make your housecat look like a kitten.

You saw something, DS?

Yeah, there are tigers out there in the world.

I caught a glimpse of one that had its eye on my cat food.

Your interpretation: DS saw multiple tigers. Or all the tigers in the world, I don't know which interpretation you are going with, both are wrong but one is obviously more fantastically silly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Quote the part where he said he "Saw things that had Dominion". I will wait.
Why did you displace my quotation mark?

https://i.imgur.com/x5MT57U.png

It's clear from the plurality of "things" that the Dominion was not one entity, and it's also made clear by Hickman's elaboration on what a Dominion is.

Originally posted by Astner
https://i.imgur.com/F7QnNTIm.png https://i.imgur.com/6pXn1tqm.png

- Powers of X #5

Originally posted by Astner
Why did you displace my quotation mark?

https://i.imgur.com/x5MT57U.png

Exactly. Loki didn't say he saw things that had Dominion. His sentence just started with the fact that there are things that have Dominion.

Astner: DS, you said you saw something? (Note the singular)
DS: Yeah. There are tigers out there in the world.

Your interpretation: DS saw.....multiple tigers. All the tigers. Whichever, lol.

I displaced it because Loki never said he saw multiple Dominions. He only saw one.

Which is my point all this while.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly. Loki didn't say he saw things that had Dominion. His sentence just started with the fact that there are things that have Dominion.
And what are these things if not Titans (or representatives thereof)?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I displaced it because Loki never said he saw multiple Dominions. He only saw one.
"Things that have dominion" doesn't refer to multiple dominions. Dominion here refers to the noun, and while it's alluding to large Titan collectives it's not specifically referring to a a large Titan collective.

Originally posted by Astner
And what are these things if not Titans (or representatives thereof)?

I never said they weren't?

To clarify (as you wanted me to before you edited), Loki saw a Dominion, AKA a collective group of 10+ Titans.

A group, or the group that Loki saw, of 10+ Titans made the BW look like an angry jelly baby.

A group of 10+ Titans, despite having enough power to categorically be called god, are still scared of Big G or Phoenix.

So BW <<<<<<10+Titans <= Big G/Phoenix (I would personally say less than Big G /Phoenix, as they are scared of them, but I could go with equals to and chalk it up to low self-esteem.

And we also saw that Hope+Legion together were oneshotting the Phoenix.

The ORIGINAL comment I was replying to, was ODG saying to h1 that he hoped h1 wasn't dragging the BW down to the level of an average Galactus. I found that funny, as....something that makes the BW look insignificant, is actually scared of Galactus.

You then jumped in with....I have no idea what it is you think you are arguing, tbh. I agree that Dominions are a collective of Titans. I never said they weren't....

Originally posted by Astner
And what are these things if not Titans (or representatives thereof)? This all seems so circular.

Loki says he caught a glimpse of something that made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby. It's a statement made about a thing, in the singular sense, whether or not used as a collective noun.

In your interpretation, what was that thing?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So BW <<<<<<10+Titans
But according to you he saw one. While you could argue that a Titan can be a united being, a Dominion is explicitly a collective of separate beings.

Originally posted by Smurph
This all seems so circular.

Loki says he caught a glimpse of something that made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby. It's a statement made about a thing, in the singular sense, whether or not used as a collective noun.

In your interpretation, what was that thing?
The technology and representative of a Titan (who's part of the Phalanx Dominion) would be my best guess.

But at the same time I don't think Loki was referring to power levels, but to threat levels. The Black Winter was devouring universes, the Phalanx Dominion is looking to assimilate the multiverse.

Originally posted by Astner
But according to you he saw one. While you could argue that a Titan can be a united being, a Dominion is explicitly a collective of separate beings.


The technology and representative of a Titan (who's part of the Phalanx Dominion) would be my best guess.

But at the same time I don't think Loki was referring to power levels, but to threat levels. The Black Winter was devouring universes, the Phalanx Dominion is looking to assimilate the multiverse.
Well am going off the text which says he saw one.


Like seeing a school of fish. A herd of elephants. A pride of lions. A single group.

As Smurph said, it was a statement used in the singular sense.

And again, does not detract from my point, which is that a Dominion, which is scared of Galactus, makes the BW look insignificant. I still don't know what your argument is.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well am going off the text which says he saw one.

Like seeing a school of fish. A herd of elephants. A pride of lions. A single group.
A pride of lions with "an eye," huh?

https://i.imgur.com/ePZurHx.png

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And again, does not detract from my point, which is that a Dominion, which is scared of Galactus, makes the BW look insignificant. I still don't know what your argument is.....
Just because the threat of the Black Winter is insignificant in comparison to that of the Phalanx Dominion, doesn't mean that the Black Winter couldn't be a threat to them.

Accepting your position would require to ignore what was established in the Black Winter arc.

Originally posted by Astner
A pride of lions with "an eye," huh?

https://i.imgur.com/ePZurHx.png


Just because the threat of the Black Winter is insignificant in comparison to that of the Phalanx Dominion, doesn't mean that the Black Winter couldn't be a threat to them.

Accepting your position would require to ignore what was established in the Black Winter arc.
So back to the post at the top of this page ..

Which makes it even....more absurd really.

Assuming a Dominion is 10 Titans (can be more but 10 is easy to use), then 10% of something that is scared of Galactus, makes the BW look insignificant. Which is bolstering my point. All of which is supported by comics, unless you want to ignore it?

And I am using Galactus as the reference point here. As the original comments I replied to was linking BW to Galactus.

Originally posted by Astner

The technology and representative of a Titan (who's part of the Phalanx Dominion) would be my best guess.

But at the same time I don't think Loki was referring to power levels, but to threat levels. The Black Winter was devouring universes, the Phalanx Dominion is looking to assimilate the multiverse. Well I have no stake in the discussion but that strikes me as the more relevant point.

If you think Loki's statement meant that a single Titan made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby, then obviously that applies to a Dominion and the whole question of singular/collective noun is moot.

Originally posted by Astner
A pride of lions with "an eye," huh?

https://i.imgur.com/ePZurHx.png

That said, because I can't help it - as arguments go, this seems pretty thin.

A pride of lions can have its eye on bringing down a herd of gazelle. A battalion of soldiers could have its eye on an unprotected enemy base. A corporation (other than in a strictly legal sense) is just a group of people but it still has a head and a body. Etc.

The whole concept of a phalanx is a group of soldiers working in single formation.

Originally posted by Astner

Just because the threat of the Black Winter is insignificant in comparison to that of the Phalanx Dominion Also, I just asked you what the Something was that made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby. You said it was a Titan. Here you say it was a Dominion.

Loki's statement was about "something", using the word in the singular sense. The statement can't be simultaneously referring to the technology of a singular Titan and the existential threat posed by the Phalanx Dominion.

So what was the something that made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby?

Originally posted by Astner
But at the same time I don't think Loki was referring to power levels, but to threat levels. I can get behind this point, at least.

The threat posed by the collective Dominion was significant enough that even the Beyonders felt the need to take direct action against them, which is why they initiated the multiversal reboot and whatnot.

Flip side, individual members of the Dominion really don't seem to warrant the "God-wank" they've received -- when several of them were evidently killed by the Phoenix Blade, and when they can be crippled/destroyed by the weaponized energy of a supernova.

I feel like Marvel kind of shot themselves in the foot concerning their power-levels. /shrug

this discussion

Ikr? I just thought I had made an interesting observation....

^ Maybe the seeming contradiction can be explained that Enigma isn't a normal Dominion but a Dominion made up of four separately sourced Dominions. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts type deal. It's not one Saiyan. It's not even two Saiyans fused. It's four Saiyans fused. It's essentially a quadruple fusion.

So Enigma could be that powerful to make the Black Winter seem trivial.

Yet, at the same time, a normal Dominion would fear Galactus and the Phoenix because normal Dominions are categorically weaker than they are.

That way Hickman's rigid definition and Loki's statement can square with each other.

But now, it seems like Dominions fear Galactus and the Phoenix not because they're categorically less powerful but because they are somehow weak to it. Because even Enigma fears the Phoenix.

Either way, I'm not going to disagree that there is a real level of disconnect from what Enigma was hinted at from the lip-service, and what it's shown so far to actually do.

Yeah, it just seemed so weird because I would have thought Hickman and Ewing would have worked closely together on it. Ah, the perils of delineating everything out clearly in a hierarchy - someone always comes around and messes it up.

Was it confirmed that Loki saw Engima?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, it just seemed so weird because I would have thought Hickman and Ewing would have worked closely together on it. Ah, the perils of delineating everything out clearly in a hierarchy - someone always comes around and messes it up.I dunno about that. From what I've read, it seemed like Hickman wanted to finish his run and everyone in Marvel was like, "Noooooo~~~! We really like what you set up! Don't end it!!!"

So Marvel didn't end it. And let Gillen and Ewing just carry it forward.

But it is very possible that Marvel editorial interfered with Al Ewing's endgame, like DC editorial interfered with Joshua Williamson's endgame plan for Dark Crisis. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was it confirmed that Loki saw Engima? I mean... what other threat would Loki have seen?

Granted, it's kinda weird that Loki and the Defenders have absolutely nothing to do with thwarting Enigma and it's an isolated X-Men story. But y'know... the story ain't over yet. Who knows?

Vampires

But yeah, probably was Enigma. Was just wondering if I missed something somewhere.

isn't enigma just sinister in individual dominion form? if so, why did ewing hype enigma as this "=/> toaa" level force?

Enigma = the data from 4 of Sinister's Dominions combined together, iirc.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
isn't enigma just sinister in individual dominion form? if so, why did ewing hype enigma as this "=/> toaa" level force? Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Enigma = the data from 4 of Sinister's Dominions combined together, iirc. I think it should be mentioned that each of the four Dominions that make up Enigma were created differently.

Doctor Stasis overwrote an existing Dominion's superintelligence by attacking it with a focused supernova beam for a "post-human" one.

Mister Sinister destroyed a galaxy full of Sinister-modified mutants to make a "mutant" Dominion.

Orbis Stellaris made an "alien" one with a mysterium/M'kraanite crystal construct.

Mother Righteous used the Phoenix's blood to create an "arcane" Dominion in the White Hot Room.

So, the whole Engima/Dominions have been disappointing?

enigma, lol what a creative interesting name

What should it be called? The omega effect 🤷🏾‍♂️

Chocolate

Originally posted by MrMind
Chocolate

Chocolate Lives Matter?

e nig matic choco la te

Originally posted by Senor Cage
So, the whole Engima/Dominions have been disappointing? https://64.media.tumblr.com/3b74e7b403e9fcb974d7082330848920/tumblr_nxi3yl4RLi1uzwngco1_500.gif

Originally posted by MrMind
enigma, lol what a creative interesting name

One of the most recognizable villains from DC is called the same, you know.

i dont know anything i dont read comics like carver do

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One of the most recognizable villains from DC is called the same, you know. who?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
who?
The riddler

thanks.

That's nygma

Not enigma

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
who?

Riddler a.k.a. E. Nygma.

Originally posted by MrMind
That's nygma

Not enigma

Ligma balls

Originally posted by MrMind
That's nygma

Not enigma
I know. It's a joke.
So you never caught on to his name being Edward "E. Nygma"?

never

Originally posted by MrMind
never

https://i.ibb.co/PC52NpN/sure-jan-sure-awkward-laugh-roll-eyes-9oz9ti72y1ipfs9h.gif

Originally posted by MrMind
That's nygma

Not enigma Riddlers daughter was Enigma though.

Checkmate, Mindee...

Originally posted by MrMind
i dont know anything i dont read comics like carver do