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batman is armed ONLY with a lightsaber. no extra tech or gadgets at all.

grievous gets canon and EU feats.

the fight takes place in the Colosseum arena.


who wins?

His base suit is still durable enough to allow him to fall from the Moon to Earth:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting.

https://i.postimg.cc/V0vkcrbm/03.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XZ6qyYtk/04.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/mPHhDHpr/05.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F7q7NZZq/06.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F1HRSqC8/07-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/v17B7dsF/08.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/k6n5fhJV/09.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hzptwbv2/10.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/yWpNyPwd/main-qimg-e66ca2133012033e6100f0aaaf32d298-lq.jpg

lol i immediately edited his base suit out of the op because of that kind of shit. i want to know if batmans raw physicals can match grievous in a fight. not his tech.

Grievous wins.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His base suit is still durable enough to allow him to fall from the Moon to Earth:

Writers are dumb. He should've turned into an ice cream patty as soon as he left the moon. Comics don't care about physics or science.

Originally posted by carver9
Writers are dumb. He should've turned into an ice cream patty as soon as he left the moon. Comics don't care about physics or science.
They do when it suits them. Batman's plot armor is undefeated.

Originally posted by Galan007
Grievous wins. how?

Originally posted by carver9
Writers are dumb. He should've turned into an ice cream patty as soon as he left the moon. Comics don't care about physics or science. bruce's tech is great. it's the man under the tech i'm curious about here.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
how? -4 lightsabers compared to 1.
-Extensively trained in lightsaber combat by Dooku himself: ie. one of the finest swordsmen the Jedi Order has ever produced(second only to Yoda and tied with Mace.)
-The ability to mimic new fighting styles on the fly -- a trait he used to approximate a version of Mace's Vaapad(arguably the most advanced form of combat in SW lore), nigh-instantly.
-Massively enhanced strength/durability/speed(see below), thanks to his cybernetics.
-In the RotS novelization, it was stated that GG was attacking Kenobi at 20 lightsaber strikes per second... Bruce ain't parrying all that with a single blade and far less lightsaber training.


It's the General's fight to lose.

Grievous definitely wins tbis

Originally posted by carver9
Writers are dumb. He should've turned into an ice cream patty as soon as he left the moon. Comics don't care about physics or science.

Oh, hi, welcome to KMC - as this is your first time around comics, take a moment to familiarise yourself with some concepts.

Originally posted by Galan007
-4 lightsabers compared to 1.
-Extensively trained in lightsaber combat by Dooku himself: ie. one of the finest swordsmen the Jedi Order has ever produced(second only to Yoda and tied with Mace.)
-The ability to mimic new fighting styles on the fly -- a trait he used to approximate a version of Mace's Vaapad(arguably the most advanced form of combat in SW lore), nigh-instantly.
-Massively enhanced strength/durability/speed(see below), thanks to his cybernetics.
-In the RotS novelization, it was stated that GG was attacking Kenobi at 20 lightsaber strikes per second... Bruce ain't parrying all that with a single blade and far less lightsaber training.


It's the General's fight to lose.

Grievious wins this, especially with Tartakovsky feats. Then it becomes a horrific stomp.

Originally posted by Galan007
-In the RotS novelization, it was stated that GG was attacking Kenobi at 20 lightsaber strikes per second... Bruce ain't parrying all that with a single blade and far less lightsaber training. Obiwan did.

I wish disney would launch a show about General Grievous, since we already got Asaaj and Dooku shows. That would be fun to watch.

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Obiwan did. Bruce lacks the true combat precog of a seasoned Jedi, and also lacks the advanced lightsaber training of a high-level Jedi Master. Picking up a lightsaber and using it effectively ain't as easy as picking up a rapier and fighting Ra's... But even if it were, Grievous still wins.

Also worth mentioning that Kenobi was regarded as the master(not 'a' master, 'THE' master, per Mace himself) of Form III/Soresu, which gave him a nigh-impenetrable defense -- his absolute mastery of said form is actually why Kenobi was selected to confront GG in the first place.

Originally posted by Infinaut616
I wish disney would launch a show about General Grievous, since we already got Asaaj and Dooku shows. That would be fun to watch. Unironically, this is exactly what I'd like to see as well. GG's backstory is criminally underexplored in canon, but has SO much potential. It's actually a pretty tragic story, tbh.

Thus far, the best iteration of Grievous we've seen in canon(as far as characterization goes) was during the Son of Dathomir series:
https://i.ibb.co/b5H6GBRK/Star-Wars-Darth-Maul-Son-of-Dathomir-090.jpg https://i.ibb.co/7dWjMdc6/Star-Wars-Darth-Maul-Son-of-Dathomir-091.jpg https://i.ibb.co/QFhQv7bN/Star-Wars-Darth-Maul-Son-of-Dathomir-092.jpg https://i.ibb.co/SwTJFm40/Star-Wars-Darth-Maul-Son-of-Dathomir-093.jpg https://i.ibb.co/whkCf279/Star-Wars-Darth-Maul-Son-of-Dathomir-094.jpg

Now that was peak Grievous, imo.

LOVE seeing SW threads over here!

Anyways General Grievous stomps with Legends feats in play. Canon only feats would make it closer since Filoni intentionally watered him down for Disney.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
LOVE seeing SW threads over here!

Anyways General Grievous stomps with Legends feats in play. Canon only feats would make it closer since Filoni intentionally watered him down for Disney. didn't even realize there was much of a difference between them lol. how much of a difference does "canon only" grievous make here?

Originally posted by Galan007
-4 lightsabers compared to 1.
-Extensively trained in lightsaber combat by Dooku himself: ie. one of the finest swordsmen the Jedi Order has ever produced(second only to Yoda and tied with Mace.)
-The ability to mimic new fighting styles on the fly -- a trait he used to approximate a version of Mace's Vaapad(arguably the most advanced form of combat in SW lore), nigh-instantly.
-Massively enhanced strength/durability/speed(see below), thanks to his cybernetics.
-In the RotS novelization, it was stated that GG was attacking Kenobi at 20 lightsaber strikes per second... Bruce ain't parrying all that with a single blade and far less lightsaber training.


It's the General's fight to lose.
Touche.

But on the other hand. Batman.

Juntai has convinced me with his analysis.

Does anyone here seriously think Grievous could learn, let alone attempt, the masterclass that is Bam Pow???

https://i.imgur.com/DHru2t1.jpeg

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
didn't even realize there was much of a difference between them lol. how much of a difference does "canon only" grievous make here? Big difference.

Legends Grievous was a legitimate threat to any Jedi in single combat -- even guys like Mace essentially had to use the Force in order to temporarily beat him.

Canon Grievous, however, was clowned by Kit Fisto and is solidly below most of the legit/named Jedi. Also, the RotS novelization is technically non-canon, so the 20 strikes/second thing goes away as well.

GG is one of the very few characters who were intentionally gimped by current canon at the onset(like Eli said), and unfortunately he has yet to fully recover. He is still really strong/durable/fast/etc. thanks to his cybernetics, but just not to the same extent as his Legends counterpart.

You know? Using *just* canon Grievous, I'd actually give it to Batman....even more so if we just use what we saw on screen (i.e. his best feat is windmilling his arms lol).

I still think canon Grievous wins under these stips, but it's MUCH closer.

If you used movie-only feats(ie. no TCW or comics), then GG's just absolutely pathetic.

Originally posted by Galan007
Big difference.

Legends Grievous was a legitimate threat to any Jedi in single combat -- even guys like Mace essentially had to use the Force in order to temporarily beat him.

Canon Grievous, however, was clowned by Kit Fisto and is solidly below most of the legit/named Jedi. Also, the RotS novelization is technically non-canon, so the 20 strikes/second thing goes away as well.

GG is one of the very few characters who were intentionally gimped by current canon at the onset(like Eli said), and unfortunately he has yet to fully recover. He is still really strong/durable/fast/etc. thanks to his cybernetics, but just not to the same extent as his Legends counterpart. what about the ability to mimic fighting styles? mmm

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
what about the ability to mimic fighting styles? mmm That happened in Labyrinth of Evil, so it's non-canon/Legends as well.

Bam Pow. I knew it.