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This is the second Battle Zone fight. I will also ask nonparticipants to also with hold from posting until its over with. This is a nonofficial standard match here with nverbeenwthagirl representing Darkseid and I will be representing Thanos. Here are some of the stipulations with regards to our debate....


Nverbeenwthagirl is allowed to use Darkseid appearances up until Seven Soldiers. That is the cutoff point. there are no future showing allowed for Darkseid except Foundations. With regards to Foundations nverbeenwthagirl can reference anything the younger Darkseid did in that story. GDS is out.

We will not be using any crossovers in this debate whatsoever.

I can use any Thanos appearances that are canon to his character. No future stuff with Thanos as well.

We both are not allowed to use any showings that are just plain ridiculous. This may include the following:
1.Slipping in the grass
2.Getting arrested
3.Punks beating down a god
4.Off panel losses(the battles in which these characters lose but must occur on panel,if the battle takes place off panel and just the victor is show it has no place here.
5.Falling down a couple of steps.
To sum all this up we are discounting their ridiculous moments.

With regards to the previous debate this one is pretty much a standard win or loss here. The judges will be deciding on who wins a simple majority. That's all. There are no stalemates either.


The debate will begin Saturday AM and end at the stroke of midnight on Monday evening.



The loser wont be able to post in the comic book vs section from Tuesday morning on for one month. Meaning that he wont be able to respond to anything that is being said about the debate and will have to just simply wait. Now that is punishment.

This one is for blood people.

It Should be noted That Great Darkness Saga Older DS is out and Everything Up until the End of Firestorm is being used. Becuz Firestorm Cannonizes Seven Soldiers.

OK for my Opening Statement, I will not be talking about how powerful Darkseid is. For we Already know that Darksied is. Instead, I will focus upon His defeats and how rediculous they truly are. The first is

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9136/f9cca559jpgorig2ra.jpg

With this retcon, this gives ample room for doubt as to if DS can truly be defeated without the Use of PIS or CIS.

Let's Look at Superman's victories over DS. First of all, it's common knowlege that the NEW gods range from about 300 ft to 400 feet tall. Example's?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2293/takion2137mg5wc.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7161/supergirl2907kw6.jpg

So I guess you are wondering why I'm Posting these scans of the New Gods in Giant form?

Well for one, When beings enter the 4th world with no tech, and "defeat" a being of the 4th world at the same size, then the story conflicts with the established rule of thumb. Thus lessoning the validation of the feat. Also please note that Earth Angel Supergirl was far above Herald lvl. She was able to beat Despero and even in her smaller size, She was able to beat all the other new Gods with ease. They couldn't even Dmg her. DS KO's her with one hit.

So how in the World does Superman defeat a being who's actually 400 feet tall?

Well I know that Superman is going to get brought up, So I'm going to just post some scans of the power of this "herald" lvl being called Superman. In actuality, Superman has done feats that No mere Herald lvl being should be capable of. As has THor. It's called the Jobber aura of having your own book lol. Anyway, Let's look at Superman's Power.

Here we have Superman at a weakened state power up an engine that moves a planet 16 times the size of earth. With his heat vision. I'm sure heat vision will be brought up later, so I'm bringing it up now. And this was him while he was weakened.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6824/supermansheatvision17gy.jpg

Please note that Superman's Heat vision has Also One Shotted the JLA/JSA bashing villian Despero.

Now as for Durability, Let's look at how hard it would be to pwn Superman Physically in combat. We all know that DS is an idiot with Superman as he likes to fight Superman in the mano y mono style. Look how much power Superman was able to survive with his durability. A freaking POWERED up Sun eater that had been eating stars for ever had blown up point blank in Superman's face.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability11pn.jpg


Superman does what none of the New gods including Takion Can do. He takes the maggeddon warhead to the face and disarms it.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/maggy.jpg

I could post more on Superman and I shall if I need to, but you all get the point. Superman is non static Herald lvl beings. At times his power and durability go to trans lvls and even into the ludicris low skyfather lvl. So we must rule out any defeats that Superman may have taken against DS and weight them against the over whelming majority of things like this happening :

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9683/supermands16he.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9001/darkseid6pq0.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/pd55a9f60974c3f94b66f685071686e58/fbdd8646.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p7c18e8b452cb9333381c18e72b82bc42/fbdd81d1.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p43f271405bb78d83ae047fd1cf65a746/fbdd46ca.jpg

I have to go to the gym, but in the first part of Explaining Why DS beats Thanos, I have shown that his losses really are just bad writing, or have been retconned or at the hands of Superman who has easily accomplished things that only trans and Sky father lvl beings should be doing. I will be back in an hour to post some of DS displays of great power. Quan can present his case.

Superman Sun eater links fixed:

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7467/09122005080012pm3uo.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4746/09122005080419pm3ri.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7775/durability49cp.jpg

I am sorry but the scans needs to be changed, that big scans just ruined it all.

Sorry for posting but get a mod to edit.

Originally posted by Blur
I am sorry but the scans needs to be changed, that big scans just ruined it all.

Sorry for posting but get a mod to edit.

blur, please stay out of the thread... there's an odds thread for all that...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OK for my Opening Statement, I will not be talking about how powerful Darkseid is. For we Already know that Darksied is. Instead, I will focus upon His defeats and how rediculous they truly are. The first is

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9136/f9cca559jpgorig2ra.jpg

With this retcon, this gives ample room for doubt as to if DS can truly be defeated without the Use of PIS or CIS.

Let's Look at Superman's victories over DS. First of all, it's common knowlege that the NEW gods range from about 300 ft to 400 feet tall. Example's?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2293/takion2137mg5wc.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7161/supergirl2907kw6.jpg

So I guess you are wondering why I'm Posting these scans of the New Gods in Giant form?

Well for one, When beings enter the 4th world with no tech, and "defeat" a being of the 4th world at the same size, then the story conflicts with the established rule of thumb. Thus lessoning the validation of the feat. Also please note that Earth Angel Supergirl was far above Herald lvl. She was able to beat Despero and even in her smaller size, She was able to beat all the other new Gods with ease. They couldn't even Dmg her. DS KO's her with one hit.

So how in the World does Superman defeat a being who's actually 400 feet tall?

Well I know that Superman is going to get brought up, So I'm going to just post some scans of the power of this "herald" lvl being called Superman. In actuality, Superman has done feats that No mere Herald lvl being should be capable of. As has THor. It's called the Jobber aura of having your own book lol. Anyway, Let's look at Superman's Power.

Here we have Superman at a weakened state power up an engine that moves a planet 16 times the size of earth. With his heat vision. I'm sure heat vision will be brought up later, so I'm bringing it up now. And this was him while he was weakened.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6824/supermansheatvision17gy.jpg

Please note that Superman's Heat vision has Also One Shotted the JLA/JSA bashing villian Despero.

Now as for Durability, Let's look at how hard it would be to pwn Superman Physically in combat. We all know that DS is an idiot with Superman as he likes to fight Superman in the mano y mono style. Look how much power Superman was able to survive with his durability. A freaking POWERED up Sun eater that had been eating stars for ever had blown up point blank in Superman's face.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability11pn.jpg


Superman does what none of the New gods including Takion Can do. He takes the maggeddon warhead to the face and disarms it.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/maggy.jpg

I could post more on Superman and I shall if I need to, but you all get the point. Superman is non static Herald lvl beings. At times his power and durability go to trans lvls and even into the ludicris low skyfather lvl. So we must rule out any defeats that Superman may have taken against DS and weight them against the over whelming majority of things like this happening :

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9683/supermands16he.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9001/darkseid6pq0.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/pd55a9f60974c3f94b66f685071686e58/fbdd8646.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p7c18e8b452cb9333381c18e72b82bc42/fbdd81d1.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p43f271405bb78d83ae047fd1cf65a746/fbdd46ca.jpg

I have to go to the gym, but in the first part of Explaining Why DS beats Thanos, I have shown that his losses really are just bad writing, or have been retconned or at the hands of Superman who has easily accomplished things that only trans and Sky father lvl beings should be doing. I will be back in an hour to post some of DS displays of great power. Quan can present his case. Superman can and has shot up in power but it was mainly due to plot device or what not. If superman gets a sunamp and gets very angry he gets more powerful. But he is still a top tier as is Thor but both are capable of amping themselves up so to speak within a story. I will show you later how Superman has pwned Darkseid with no plot device or amping of any kind. Darkseid really has no business losing to Superman anyways as he trumps in the overall power card. This shows you he can lose on the physical plane as well. Just because Darkseid is considered skyfather level doesnt mean he beats anyone. Each skyfather is different than one another and we must look at each skyfather's wins and losses to determine how powerful they really are.

Also this oneshot of Superman that you just showed only proves that Darkseid needed to cheapshot him after Supes saved him from the Source Wall. I will post these in my next post. I will fully explain the whole story here as well as nverbeenwthagirl has left some important details out about this oneshot.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SupermanBatman24-0203.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SupermanBatman24-04-1.jpg

I wanted to show you all what happened prior to this supposed oneshot. Notice how Darkseid was saved by the very man who put him there. They were in the middle of a conversation and Darkseid just punched him right into the Source Wall. Darkseid knocked him back is all because Superman wasnt expecting it and anyways it wouldnt be a true oneshot because Superman was right next to the Source Wall. Imagine talking to someone near a cliff and in the middle of the conversation he blasts you and you fall off it. Now if the cliff wasnt there would the person have died or been oneshotted? No just as here it is only a cheapshot right into the Source Wall because Supes just pulled him out of it.
Darkseid also cheapshotted supergirl. She wasnt suspecting it and was blasted when she had no warning what was happening. In this fight Darkseid isnt going to cheapshot Thanos. Both are aware of each other so really both of these cheapshots add little if anything in Darkseid's favor.
To me this shows how weary Darkseid is of Superman that he would have to cheapshot an unsuspecting Superman into the Source Wall to gain the advantage here.


ALSO NOTE IN MY FIRST POST I SCREWED UP BREAKING DOWN THE QUOTES. BEAR WITH ME AND READ THE WHOLE POST AS A LOT OF WHAT I SAID WAS MIXED IN WITH NVER'S QUOTE. FROM NOW ON I WILL BE RESPONDING AFTER THE ENTIRE QUOTE IN FULL BUT BREAKING IT DOWN.

Originally posted by quanchi112

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SupermanBatman24-0203.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SupermanBatman24-04-1.jpg

I wanted to show you all what happened prior to this supposed oneshot. Notice how Darkseid was saved by the very man who put him there. They were in the middle of a conversation and Darkseid just punched him right into the Source Wall. Darkseid knocked him back is all because Superman wasnt expecting it and anyways it wouldnt be a true oneshot because Superman was right next to the Source Wall. Imagine talking to someone near a cliff and in the middle of the conversation he blasts you and you fall off it. Now if the cliff wasnt there would the person have died or been oneshotted? No just as here it is only a cheapshot right into the Source Wall because Supes just pulled him out of it.
Darkseid also cheapshotted supergirl. She wasnt suspecting it and was blasted when she had no warning what was happening. In this fight Darkseid isnt going to cheapshot Thanos. Both are aware of each other so really both of these cheapshots add little if anything in Darkseid's favor.
To me this shows how weary Darkseid is of Superman that he would have to cheapshot an unsuspecting Superman into the Source Wall to gain the advantage here.


ALSO NOTE IN MY FIRST POST I SCREWED UP BREAKING DOWN THE QUOTES. BEAR WITH ME AND READ THE WHOLE POST AS A LOT OF WHAT I SAID WAS MIXED IN WITH NVER'S QUOTE. FROM NOW ON I WILL BE RESPONDING AFTER THE ENTIRE QUOTE IN FULL BUT BREAKING IT DOWN.

OK Quan Before I get to posting my scans of DS power, Let's note that that Superman has some of the fastest reaction times in comics history. If you look at the scan, it clearly shows Blur lines drawn into DS hands. Showing that he actually just speed blitzed superman before he had time to react. We also know that DS One shotted Superman and Superman was UNCONCIOUS. That is right folks, DS did in one hit, what no one else in the history of Superman has done. Knocked him out in one fell swoop.

Ok since nverbeenwthagirl has brought up the Superman Batman angle i will fully explain what happened prior to Darkseids cheapshot.

These scans right here demonstrate Batmans brilliant thinking when pitted against Darkseid and shows that he can be out thought and even on his own planet against a few characters with a whole planet backing him up. The goal here was to bring back Supergirl home alive and safe. I think they accomplished their goal here.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/008-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/009-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/010-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/011-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/012-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg


What happens next we later found out was another ploy basically by Batman and Darkseid baiting Darkseid into attacking Superman here. Basically he was out thought twice in this overall story and in these scans beaten down physically as well. He lost all across the board here and this also further demonstrated that Darkseid can and has been beaten physically. Also note that Darkseid wasnt the 400 foot monster that nver describes him as.

At the beginning of this fight Darkseid comes out of nowhere. No warning just a cheapshot to start this fight.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/018-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/019-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg


Now the fight is personal so to speak. Darkseid is prepared to boomtube away but Superman doesnt let him just leave the battlefield.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/001-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/002-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/003-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/004-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/005-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/006-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/007-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/008-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/009-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-D-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/010-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

I also want the judges here to pay attention to this crucial point here. We have just seen Darkseid and Superman now get put into the Sourcewall by one another. Superman took Darkseid's beaten body across the known universe and accomplished it. After Superman saved Darkseid and pulled him from the wall Darkseid just seized the opportunity to strike on an unsuspecting Superman who was right next to the Sourcewall. Note the differences here please.

Let's look at how DS does against beings who are above herald lvl in power.

Here Superman with his mightiest blows is having a hard time defeating these automotons of great power.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p958c3ce421aefd18b0921979c879c9a9/f9e5c199.jpg

And The Infinity man blast thru them with the greatest of Ease. Showing us how the mighty Superman compares to The Infinity Man.IM>>Superman

Look What the Omega effect ( after the finder beams are released)does the the uber powerful IM

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pf8b15788332d2d322ae1778db2acb87c/fb9b7268.jpg

If anyone has any doubt to how durable the Infinity Man is take a gander at this:

http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infinityvsmantis5vc.jpg

Mantis Emmits anti-Matter thru his hands. In DC, Antimatter is the be all end all of matter. When it touches matter, it destroys it instantly. It's liken to entropy. They cannot exist together. All it does it makes The IM howl. So if Any one thinks Thanos' vaunted Durability is saving him from a nice Omega blast, WRONG. OE>>>Antimatter

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok since nverbeenwthagirl has brought up the Superman Batman angle i will fully explain what happened prior to Darkseids cheapshot.

These scans right here demonstrate Batmans brilliant thinking when pitted against Darkseid and shows that he can be out thought and even on his own planet against a few characters with a whole planet backing him up. The goal here was to bring back Supergirl home alive and safe. I think they accomplished their goal here.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/008-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/009-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/010-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/011-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/012-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg


What happens next we later found out was another ploy basically by Batman and Darkseid baiting Darkseid into attacking Superman here. Basically he was out thought twice in this overall story and in these scans beaten down physically as well. He lost all across the board here and this also further demonstrated that Darkseid can and has been beaten physically. Also note that Darkseid wasnt the 400 foot monster that nver describes him as.

At the beginning of this fight Darkseid comes out of nowhere. No warning just a cheapshot to start this fight.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/018-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/019-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg


Now the fight is personal so to speak. Darkseid is prepared to boomtube away but Superman doesnt let him just leave the battlefield.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/001-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/002-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/003-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/004-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/005-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/006-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/007-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/008-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/009-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-D-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/010-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

I also want the judges here to pay attention to this crucial point here. We have just seen Darkseid and Superman now get put into the Sourcewall by one another. Superman took Darkseid's beaten body across the known universe and accomplished it. After Superman saved Darkseid and pulled him from the wall Darkseid just seized the opportunity to strike on an unsuspecting Superman who was right next to the Sourcewall. Note the differences here please.

I want everyone to note that Superman was angry and that he barely made a dent in DS. Not even a dent. He got pimp smacked back and the only reason he got the upper hand at all is becuz THe Omega beams SEVERLY injured DS. giving Superman time for a sun amp. So Superman gets a power up while DS gets injured with one of his own most powerful blast.

That would be like me getting a blast of Adrenaline thru a shot while I beat mike tyson who just happened to punch thru a glass wall. Am I really supposed to beat Mike tyson? Makes you wonder doesn't it folks.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OK Quan Before I get to posting my scans of DS power, Let's note that that Superman has some of the fastest reaction times in comics history. If you look at the scan, it clearly shows Blur lines drawn into DS hands. Showing that he actually just speed blitzed superman before he had time to react. We also know that DS One shotted Superman and Superman was UNCONCIOUS. That is right folks, DS did in one hit, what no one else in the history of Superman has done. Knocked him out in one fell swoop. This is how you interpret it. But the fact remains he hit an unsuspecting Superman here. You admitted it even in your own interpretation that Darkseid in your mind hit Superman before he could react. Makes sense in a way becuase just previously they battled and Darkseid failed. He needed this cheapshot to give him an edge. Not everyday that your back is right up against the Sourcewall. Ds took full advantage. Also please prove that Superman was unconscious. Even if he was I think everyone knows that a cheapshot packs more of a whallop than a regular punch with someone's guard up.

Ok, ive edited nvr's first post to contain links rather than the images themselves... that alright?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I want everyone to note that Superman was angry and that he barely made a dent in DS. Not even a dent. He got pimp smacked back and the only reason he got the upper hand at all is becuz THe Omega beams SEVERLY injured DS. giving Superman time for a sun amp. So Superman gets a power up while DS gets injured with one of his own most powerful blast.

That would be like me getting a blast of Adrenaline thru a shot while I beat mike tyson who just happened to punch thru a glass wall. Am I really supposed to beat Mike tyson? Makes you wonder doesn't it folks. Whose fault is it that Darkseid got blasted with his own omega beams? His own. He tried it and it failed and he suffered the cost of it. That is it plain and simple. If superman's heat vision gets deflected back into him and hurts him do we say oh well Superman's own attack wasnt used against him this isnt fair. Bottom line is Ds used his omega attack and it backfired. His fault and no one elses.

With regards to the sun amp. Let me explain it to you. The sun wasnt near them as they fought. Remember how DS used the Sourcewall to his advantage earlier. Here is how these two instances are completely different. Ds benefited from Superman saving him and putting his guard down. He didnt take Superman to the Sourcewall. Superman took Ds and himself to the sun. He amped himself and wasnt in the right place at the right time as Darkseid was. Superman took Darkseid across the galaxy. Why didnt Darkseid stop him? The reason was he couldnt. Bottom line.


I will show you at a later time Superman defeating Darkseid and beating the omega effect yet again. Darkseid was set up and came in there with no real plan save that he wanted revenge on Superman. Shows how easily and how quickly he just rushed into things here without really planning it out.

I want to call The forum's attention to Just how powerful DS is when fully powered.


First Example is How the CURRENT DS ( Who is slated to die soon so every thing that he's experienced in HIS past has already happened) was able to defeat a being of great power in a future that doesn't exist to the current timeline but does exist and is cannon to him.

Now the forum has already established that All DS are the same. He experiences them all since chronal changes to do not effect his CURRENT form. Now this is where you have to put your thinking caps on kids and let it sink in.

In Great Darkness Saga, A being of great and unimaginable power who no longer exist due to a change in time AND can't be used for current DS becuz of it being a future did all of this:

During GDS, a being of great and unimaginable power proved capable of teleporting Apokolips and Daxam at once, holding them literally in his mind as they're switching locations and galaxies, and mind-controlling 3 billion Daxamites:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture...09/fa661adf.jpg


Also, after the Orion fight, a being of great and unimaginable power defeated a powered-up Pre-Crisis Superboy and was about to defeat a powered-up Pre-Crisis Supergirl, while holding back, so as to not exert so much energy that he lost his control of the Daxamites, as he tells Kara ("I have not the strength to waste on such as you", before it's interrupted by the combined Legion of Super-Heroes simultaneously blasting him, which he shrugs off:



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...30/fa648780.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...f5/fa64877a.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...0e/fa648771.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...5a/fbc4e69f.jpg



Others who fell by a being of great and unimaginable power power include The Time Trapper, who created a pocket universe:



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...3f/fa661ac1.jpg





As well as the Legion/JSA-bashing Mordru:



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...27/fa661ad2.jpg


I know you are wondering what exactly is my point. My point is that the Older DS in that story Does not exist as DS becuz the timeline doesn't exist AND it's in the future. But the story did happen to current DS. He did experience it. So it's in HIS past. So he did defeat some being who was that powerful. It matters not that it was some alternate version of himself. Becuz that guy doesn't exist. What matters is that this being was able to accomplish so much and yet this is what Happened to him:

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/uxa...foundations.jpg


http://www.imagestation.com/picture...ef/f9c745b1.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...50/f9c73b06.jpg



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Originally posted by pr1983
Ok, ive edited nvr's first post to contain links rather than the images themselves... that alright?

Yes. Please do the same for quans. The size of the images are making it hard for me to read the post and I'm getting confused.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whose fault is it that Darkseid got blasted with his own omega beams? His own. He tried it and it failed and he suffered the cost of it. That is it plain and simple. If superman's heat vision gets deflected back into him and hurts him do we say oh well Superman's own attack wasnt used against him this isnt fair. Bottom line is Ds used his omega attack and it backfired. His fault and no one elses.

With regards to the sun amp. Let me explain it to you. The sun wasnt near them as they fought. Remember how DS used the Sourcewall to his advantage earlier. Here is how these two instances are completely different. Ds benefited from Superman saving him and putting his guard down. He didnt take Superman to the Sourcewall. Superman took Ds and himself to the sun. He amped himself and wasnt in the right place at the right time as Darkseid was. Superman took Darkseid across the galaxy. Why didnt Darkseid stop him? The reason was he couldnt. Bottom line.


I will show you at a later time Superman defeating Darkseid and beating the omega effect yet again. Darkseid was set up and came in there with no real plan save that he wanted revenge on Superman. Shows how easily and how quickly he just rushed into things here without really planning it out.

It's already been established that Superman has the ability to perform skyfather lvl task. But I have posted scans of DS defeating beings superior to Superman as well as pimp handing Superman and Wonder woman with ease.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let's look at how DS does against beings who are above herald lvl in power.

Here Superman with his mightiest blows is having a hard time defeating these automotons of great power.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p958c3ce421aefd18b0921979c879c9a9/f9e5c199.jpg

And The Infinity man blast thru them with the greatest of Ease. Showing us how the mighty Superman compares to The Infinity Man.IM>>Superman

Look What the Omega effect ( after the finder beams are released)does the the uber powerful IM

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pf8b15788332d2d322ae1778db2acb87c/fb9b7268.jpg

If anyone has any doubt to how durable the Infinity Man is take a gander at this:

http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infinityvsmantis5vc.jpg

Mantis Emmits anti-Matter thru his hands. In DC, Antimatter is the be all end all of matter. When it touches matter, it destroys it instantly. It's liken to entropy. They cannot exist together. All it does it makes The IM howl. So if Any one thinks Thanos' vaunted Durability is saving him from a nice Omega blast, WRONG. OE>>>Antimatter I am rather confused by this. In your initial post you say that Superman is trumping being he has no business trumping. But here you are making the claim that Infinity Man is superior to Superman. Then you say that Darkseid is more powerful than him. I dont understand why you would use this abc logic here when we have Darkseid and Superman in the same universe. They have fought how many times? More than just a few but you try to make the claim that Darkseid>Infinity Man>Superman. It isnt needed and fails here. ABC logic isnt needed when we have the two character meaning Darkseid and Superman clashing head on.

Again the omega blast and comparing it to the antimatter doesnt make sense to me. Name me the most powerful being the omega beams have outright taken out? Show me scans to back up this claim here. I will address later why i feel the omega effect isnt as powerful as it was back in the day with Darkseid. We have already seen Wonderwoman's bracelets outright deflect them into Darkseid's face.

I will go into greater detail at a later time on the omega effect.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's already been established that Superman has the ability to perform skyfather lvl task. But I have posted scans of DS defeating beings superior to Superman as well as pimp handing Superman and Wonder woman with ease. Yes Superman has high and low end feats just like everyone else. You also said that Thor was capable of these same kinds of tasks,correct? I want to note this to the judges as well. It states how highly you regard Thor and what you think he is capable of and how he is similar to Superman.


But if you cannot prove that Superman had an amp or a plot device to defeat Darkseid in every single instance then your hypothesis is incorrect.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes. Please do the same for quans. The size of the images are making it hard for me to read the post and I'm getting confused.

Should be sorted now... and Magee, c'mon, let the guys have their match... and that goes for everyone else...

Let's look at something for a moment. Let's Look at the power of Highfather and DC odin:
(Just a couple of examples will do)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8163/f9139ee4jpgorigrf4.jpg

The above scan shows Highfather freaking cutting open a rift in the cosmos. Talk about powerful.


This is what DS can do to a being who can actually rip the very fabric of the universe. Surely Thanos can rip open the time/space/reality continuim with but a wave of his might hand. .

http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adventure460292wo.jpg

DS beats Highfather like a step child.

DS also also statemated Highfather when HF was battle ready.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7273/f98dd7e1jpgorigwn4.jpg


Check out what DC odin Can do.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am rather confused by this. In your initial post you say that Superman is trumping being he has no business trumping. But here you are making the claim that Infinity Man is superior to Superman. Then you say that Darkseid is more powerful than him. I dont understand why you would use this abc logic here when we have Darkseid and Superman in the same universe. They have fought how many times? More than just a few but you try to make the claim that Darkseid>Infinity Man>Superman. It isnt needed and fails here. ABC logic isnt needed when we have the two character meaning Darkseid and Superman clashing head on.

Again the omega blast and comparing it to the antimatter doesnt make sense to me. Name me the most powerful being the omega beams have outright taken out? Show me scans to back up this claim here. I will address later why i feel the omega effect isnt as powerful as it was back in the day with Darkseid. We have already seen Wonderwoman's bracelets outright deflect them into Darkseid's face.

I will go into greater detail at a later time on the omega effect.

You misunderstand my point about Superman. What I did was give you examples of how powerful Superman is allowed to be by DC comics. His power can transcend at any given situation. Then I turned around and showed that On Average, Superman has been met with a back hand and that DS is superior to Superman in Strength output and in reaction time. Now what I was doing with the infinity man was showing that On average the Infinity man is far superior to Superman. He accomplished with ease what Superman couldn't. And his durability is neck and neck with Thanos. He actually survived Antimatter being pushed thru out his entire body. And yet he was unable to resist the Omega Beams.

Now to address Just how powerful WW's bracelets are and why I dont' catagorize them returning the Omega's as a low feat, check this out:
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg

This is the full combined might of the DC pantheon of greek Gods. All of whom would be considered skyfather lvl.

So DS Omega being deflected back upon himself by WW's shield is no low feat at all. Nothing in the history of comics has ever broken that shield. DS is no differnt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes Superman has high and low end feats just like everyone else. You also said that Thor was capable of these same kinds of tasks,correct? I want to note this to the judges as well. It states how highly you regard Thor and what you think he is capable of and how he is similar to Superman.


But if you cannot prove that Superman had an amp or a plot device to defeat Darkseid in every single instance then your hypothesis is incorrect. Please note that niether Thor nor Superman on average perform feats like this. But they do have the ability to do thus.

Ok i was going to bring this up later but why the hell not now. Seems fitting since nver has already claimed that Thor is capable of skyfather tasks just as Superman is.

Ok note this scan is after Thor seemingly killed Thanos but it turned out to be a Thanos clone. Watch how easily he waves down Thor's hammer.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv3017-03.jpg

Please note that Thanos had a bigger fish to fry in this story in the Walker. He has to get Thor's attention and couldnt play around with him. He waved down his hammer with ease. This was Thor with no plot device and seemingly no threat to Thanos whatsoever.

Ok with these next scans I am going to show how powerful Thor had become here. For one he was mad. He was inflicted with warrior madness. A plot device to make him more powerful. Nver compared him to Superman right? Imagine Superman pissed. Both are plot devices for these characters and both make them all that more dangerous. On top of warrior madness he also had taken the power gem as well.

Here is an explanation for the power gem and what it does exactly.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos_Quest_2_41.jpg


So that makes for a plot device and a huge powerup.

Here are some scans showing what Thor is capable of in this story.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_05_06.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_07_08.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_12.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_18.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_21.jpg


Now we enter Thanos because this very powerful force that tried to stop Thor here failed and couldnt defeat him collectively. So they in turn take him right into Thanos home. Make a note that Thanos had no clue how powerful or how dangerous Thor had become and hadnt prepped at all. He just reacted calm,cool, and collected. This fight demonstrates that while Superman can defeat Darkseid with no powerup that Thor cant defeat Thanos with a plot device and a very potent powerup. Look at all the physical punishment that Thanos takes.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_03-04.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_05.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_06.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_07.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_08.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_12.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_18.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_20.jpg


See the difference here. Nver said it himself that Thor and Superman are both capable of skyfather tasks. I have shown you Thanos waving down Thor's hammer as he is seen as no threat to Thanos. I have also shown you how powerful Thor became in this story and who he went through until he ran into Thanos.

The difference is this Thor doesnt beat the real Thanos but Superman has beaten the shit out of Darkseid more than once.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok i was going to bring this up later but why the hell not now. Seems fitting since nver has already claimed that Thor is capable of skyfather tasks just as Superman is.

Ok note this scan is after Thor seemingly killed Thanos but it turned out to be a Thanos clone. Watch how easily he waves down Thor's hammer.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv3017-03.jpg

Please note that Thanos had a bigger fish to fry in this story in the Walker. He has to get Thor's attention and couldnt play around with him. He waved down his hammer with ease. This was Thor with no plot device and seemingly no threat to Thanos whatsoever.

Ok with these next scans I am going to show how powerful Thor had become here. For one he was mad. He was inflicted with warrior madness. A plot device to make him more powerful. Nver compared him to Superman right? Imagine Superman pissed. Both are plot devices for these characters and both make them all that more dangerous. On top of warrior madness he also had taken the power gem as well.

Here is an explanation for the power gem and what it does exactly.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos_Quest_2_41.jpg


So that makes for a plot device and a huge powerup.

Here are some scans showing what Thor is capable of in this story.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_05_06.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_07_08.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_12.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_18.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_21.jpg


Now we enter Thanos because this very powerful force that tried to stop Thor here failed and couldnt defeat him collectively. So they in turn take him right into Thanos home. Make a note that Thanos had no clue how powerful or how dangerous Thor had become and hadnt prepped at all. He just reacted calm,cool, and collected. This fight demonstrates that while Superman can defeat Darkseid with no powerup that Thor cant defeat Thanos with a plot device and a very potent powerup. Look at all the physical punishment that Thanos takes.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor470_22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_03-04.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_05.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_06.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_07.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_08.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_12.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_18.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3088_20.jpg


See the difference here. Nver said it himself that Thor and Superman are both capable of skyfather tasks. I have shown you Thanos waving down Thor's hammer as he is seen as no threat to Thanos. I have also shown you how powerful Thor became in this story and who he went through until he ran into Thanos.

The difference is this Thor doesnt beat the real Thanos but Superman has beaten the shit out of Darkseid more than once.
Touche young student. But watch and Learn. Next post is mine.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let's look at something for a moment. Let's Look at the power of Highfather and DC odin:
(Just a couple of examples will do)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8163/f9139ee4jpgorigrf4.jpg

The above scan shows Highfather freaking cutting open a rift in the cosmos. Talk about powerful.


This is what DS can do to a being who can actually rip the very fabric of the universe. Surely Thanos can rip open the time/space/reality continuim with but a wave of his might hand. .

http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adventure460292wo.jpg

DS beats Highfather like a step child.

DS also also statemated Highfather when HF was battle ready.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7273/f98dd7e1jpgorigwn4.jpg


Check out what DC odin Can do. High Father is powerful indeed but he and Darkseid have always been fighting the same war both with armies at their disposal. One of you scans prove it. While you have another ancient scan up here with Darkseid whipping on High Father. This was back in ancient times and Darkseid has since been beaten by beings who cant rip open the very fabric of the universe. Ds and Hf were always equals constantly fighting this neverending war. It was always even steven with one gaining little ground if any on the other only to have it have it remain the same up until recently. Darkseid also failed to deliver the fatal blow to Izaya while this was a goal of his since the very beginning. Ares accomplished this while Darkseid could not.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You misunderstand my point about Superman. What I did was give you examples of how powerful Superman is allowed to be by DC comics. His power can transcend at any given situation. Then I turned around and showed that On Average, Superman has been met with a back hand and that DS is superior to Superman in Strength output and in reaction time. Now what I was doing with the infinity man was showing that On average the Infinity man is far superior to Superman. He accomplished with ease what Superman couldn't. And his durability is neck and neck with Thanos. He actually survived Antimatter being pushed thru out his entire body. And yet he was unable to resist the Omega Beams.

Now to address Just how powerful WW's bracelets are and why I dont' catagorize them returning the Omega's as a low feat, check this out:
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg

This is the full combined might of the DC pantheon of greek Gods. All of whom would be considered skyfather lvl.

So DS Omega being deflected back upon himself by WW's shield is no low feat at all. Nothing in the history of comics has ever broken that shield. DS is no differnt. I understood what you meant by Superman. Darkseid is stronger than Superman and that is what makes his losses to him that much more unforgivable. He is stronger and is more powerful overall. Hand to hand is where Ds is lacking and that is how he has lost before. Infinity Man is another debate entirely and i didnt understand why you tried to prove his superiority to Superman while using abc logic here when we simply dont need it.

Wonderwoman's bracelets are powerful indeed and i did not try to take anything away from them. If that was the only thing that deflected or halted the omega effect youd have a case.

Again who is the most powerful being that Darkseid defeated with his omega effect?

You want to talk about hand gestures check this out:

http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/4tKi/view-image/ds-1.html

If you need to know info on why this is so important then you need to understand that the firestorm matrix is fashioned by the universe. To reach in and dismantle it with but a wave is a near abstract lvl feat.

We can also make note that Thor's hammer has been pwned by lessor beings than Thanos. Examples would include:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/jj3.gif
http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfiresstonesshield7jj.jpg

I could provide more. But you get the point. Thor's hammer can and has been stopped before. By beings lessor than Thanos. Not an entirely huge feat on Thanos's part.

I want to call your attention to Highfather being able to rip open the very cosmos with ease. And how on occasion DS has pwned him and or stalemated him. Show us a scan of Thanos doing anything on par with what highfather was capable of. Becuz It shows that He is clearly outmatched when facing a non jobbering DS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You want to talk about hand gestures check this out:

http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/4tKi/view-image/ds-1.html

If you need to know info on why this is so important then you need to understand that the firestorm matrix is fashioned by the universe. To reach in and dismantle it with but a wave is a near abstract lvl feat.

We can also make note that Thor's hammer has been pwned by lessor beings than Thanos. Examples would include:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/jj3.gif
http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfiresstonesshield7jj.jpg

I could provide more. But you get the point. Thor's hammer can and has been stopped before. By beings lessor than Thanos. Not an entirely huge feat on Thanos's part.

I want to call your attention to Highfather being able to rip open the very cosmos with ease. And how on occasion DS has pwned him and or stalemated him. Show us a scan of Thanos doing anything on par with what highfather was capable of. Becuz It shows that He is clearly outmatched when facing a non jobbering DS. Well for one i cant see your first image. It doesnt work right now but i suspect what it is as i have seen it before. With regards to Firestorm here what feats does he have. Why does this seem so impressive. Ill show you an ancient Orion scan later since you have posted some pretty old scans yourself where Darkseid needed help.

I merely showed the scan to prove that Thor isnt even a threat to Thanos at his normal level. Im sure there are plenty of scans out there proving that Thors hammer has failed before. I could also post Thors hammer defeating the uber beast known as Mangog but it isnt needed. You yourself stated that Thor was similar to Superman and I responded to it with a scan dealing with regular no amps Thor and one with a plot device and the power gem. Did you see he went through Dr. Strange<Silver Surfer, and many other powerful beings. When he ran into Thanos he lost. Thanos>Thor always. Find me a scan that says otherwise.

I see your point on the hammer but why did you not address warrior madness Thor with the power gem?

You totally skipped that huge part of my post. Did you see how powerful and uber he became. I have shown you now you show me how powerful this firestorm is that was handgestured.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I understood what you meant by Superman. Darkseid is stronger than Superman and that is what makes his losses to him that much more unforgivable. He is stronger and is more powerful overall. Hand to hand is where Ds is lacking and that is how he has lost before. Infinity Man is another debate entirely and i didnt understand why you tried to prove his superiority to Superman while using abc logic here when we simply dont need it.

Wonderwoman's bracelets are powerful indeed and i did not try to take anything away from them. If that was the only thing that deflected or halted the omega effect youd have a case.

Again who is the most powerful being that Darkseid defeated with his omega effect?

OK I wasn't trying to use abc logic with the IM. Becuz the IM and Superman have never really fought. What I was doing was setting up just how powerful the IM is. He's clearly over Herald LVL. He's got more powers than an entire superteam and yet he can't beat DS. I also wanted to show just how durable he is. Becuz Thanos's durability is going to be brought up and I needed to show that DS has been able to pwn someone with similiar Durability.

I would like you to back up your statement about the Omega Effect being halted or stopped. Just saying it isn't enough.

As far as the most powerful beings that DS has defeated using the OE, well we have These:
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supergirl2907kw6.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secret18cb.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f880d1e1jpgorig0yr.jpg

Now per forum rules, this would count as a victory as it's the first KO. DS didn't win this fight but, He did win the first round
( These are the scans of the HP doomsday fight which aren't working for some freaking reason)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture...23/fbdd33c9.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...e9/fbdd33c6.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...ff/fb9b1381.jpg


More uber guys who met with defeat:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pc086560f5f6ca9b50bbe8fd46127b1ff/f9e65927.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p76eabd5cf26449412ba384ea7f6b724f/f9e658f8.jpg

Here DS defeats the Uber Hank Henshaw. Something Not even amped Superman could Do. And this is AFTER DS was weakened from having his ass kicked bY Doomsday. The story is still suspect becuz no one boom tubed to Apok. They should have appeared as ants to the new gods.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/pcf15dd3a66e18f8cb2d8095290fc0930/fba98017.jpg

DS beats Aggog a being who handles heralds like they are 5th graders:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/pce4350d0cf8ec5476968c03e61eec902/fbd4f358.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/p0f2d7cb123207ffa808cd71647124ba2/fbd4f8d0.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/pe12af34b9fc5f553a279bbdeaa0a08c7/fbd4f8d3.jpg

Here DS manages to kill Gods across the cosmos.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/pc8409f0c3da73339ee26804922f350a2/fbc33955.jpg

And if you are wondering if these gods were that powerful, then take a gander at the perplexing situation as stated by DC Odin and Highfather:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pcc284506f49c858285524d58d7741261/fa66603f.jpg

DS got this lvl of power from these other gods that he went around zapping with the OE.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well for one i cant see your first image. It doesnt work right now but i suspect what it is as i have seen it before. With regards to Firestorm here what feats does he have. Why does this seem so impressive. Ill show you an ancient Orion scan later since you have posted some pretty old scans yourself where Darkseid needed help.

I merely showed the scan to prove that Thor isnt even a threat to Thanos at his normal level. Im sure there are plenty of scans out there proving that Thors hammer has failed before. I could also post Thors hammer defeating the uber beast known as Mangog but it isnt needed. You yourself stated that Thor was similar to Superman and I responded to it with a scan dealing with regular no amps Thor and one with a plot device and the power gem. Did you see he went through Dr. Strange<Silver Surfer, and many other powerful beings. When he ran into Thanos he lost. Thanos>Thor always. Find me a scan that says otherwise.

I see your point on the hammer but why did you not address warrior madness Thor with the power gem?

You totally skipped that huge part of my post. Did you see how powerful and uber he became. I have shown you now you show me how powerful this firestorm is that was handgestured.

Within the context of the story, I am not invalidating the feat of thanos against Thor with the PG. But the PG doesn't amp someone infinitely. Especially Thor who was out of his mind. It just gives them access to unlimited potential. As explained bY moondragon when Drax had the PG. Also countered your point about Thanos going hand to hand with thor with the power of Highfather. He literally rips the cosmos into a torrent >>>>>>>>>>>>Thor with PG. And yet he got his ass whipped by DS, has feared DS with ODin, and has been shown stalemating DS in a contest of strength. I have met your Thor fight with my own example.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OK I wasn't trying to use abc logic with the IM. Becuz the IM and Superman have never really fought. What I was doing was setting up just how powerful the IM is. He's clearly over Herald LVL. He's got more powers than an entire superteam and yet he can't beat DS. I also wanted to show just how durable he is. Becuz Thanos's durability is going to be brought up and I needed to show that DS has been able to pwn someone with similiar Durability.

I would like you to back up your statement about the Omega Effect being halted or stopped. Just saying it isn't enough.

As far as the most powerful beings that DS has defeated using the OE, well we have These:
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supergirl2907kw6.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secret18cb.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f880d1e1jpgorig0yr.jpg

Now per forum rules, this would count as a victory as it's the first KO. DS didn't win this fight but, He did win the first round

http://www.imagestation.com/picture...23/fbdd33c9.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...e9/fbdd33c6.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...ff/fb9b1381.jpg


More uber guys who met with defeat:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pc086560f5f6ca9b50bbe8fd46127b1ff/f9e65927.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p76eabd5cf26449412ba384ea7f6b724f/f9e658f8.jpg

Here DS defeats the Uber Hank Henshaw. Something Not even amped Superman could Do. And this is AFTER DS was weakened from having his ass kicked bY Doomsday. The story is still suspect becuz no one boom tubed to Apok. They should have appeared as ants to the new gods.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/pcf15dd3a66e18f8cb2d8095290fc0930/fba98017.jpg

DS beats Aggog a being who handles heralds like they are 5th graders:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/pce4350d0cf8ec5476968c03e61eec902/fbd4f358.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/p0f2d7cb123207ffa808cd71647124ba2/fbd4f8d0.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/pe12af34b9fc5f553a279bbdeaa0a08c7/fbd4f8d3.jpg

Here DS manages to kill Gods across the cosmos.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/pc8409f0c3da73339ee26804922f350a2/fbc33955.jpg

And if you are wondering if these gods were that powerful, then take a gander at the perplexing situation as stated by DC Odin and Highfather:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pcc284506f49c858285524d58d7741261/fa66603f.jpg

DS got this lvl of power from these other gods that he went around zapping with the OE. Ok i will address the omega effect question after work. I dont have time to post all these scans now.

The first being here was the cheapshot i addressed earlier. The second image looks as if he pwned someone but cannot tell who it is. The third image looks to be the same as the second.

The three imagestations after your initial three scans dont work so i cannot comment as i cannot see them. If you fix it I will check it out later when i get home.

This aggog i would argue he is below the Silver Surfer, so not very iimpressive to me.

Darkseid is killing lesser gods across the cosmos. So again it isnt like he is going around killing anyone of note. Did he kill dc's Odin,Ares,Zeus,etc. No.
Henk Henshaw I am glad you brought this story up. First off Darkseid needed time to recover from the asskicking he received at the hands of Doomsday. Superman bought him the time he needed to defeat henshaw. I will address this later as i must get ready for work very soon.

Again out of all these beings i see no one near Thanos. So i remain unconvinced that it would oneshot him in the least.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Within the context of the story, I am not invalidating the feat of thanos against Thor with the PG. But the PG doesn't amp someone infinitely. Especially Thor who was out of his mind. It just gives them access to unlimited potential. As explained bY moondragon when Drax had the PG. Also countered your point about Thanos going hand to hand with thor with the power of Highfather. He literally rips the cosmos into a torrent >>>>>>>>>>>>Thor with PG. And yet he got his ass whipped by DS, has feared DS with ODin, and has been shown stalemating DS in a contest of strength. I have met your Thor fight with my own example. Thor although crazed was quite the threat. He previously defeated Dr.Strange,Silver Surfer,Drax and company. This alone shows you how powerful he was.

I dont think you countered my point. For one you used Thor as an example of someone who is capable of great things and i have shown you one of these things and you show me an ancinet scan of High Father being defeated by his equal Darkseid. What amp did High Father have that made Ds defeating him so special. Ok how about this to counter my point tell me who High Father has defeated who are comparable to Dr. Strange and company.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor although crazed was quite the threat. He previously defeated Dr.Strange,Silver Surfer,Drax and company. This alone shows you how powerful he was.

I dont think you countered my point. For one you used Thor as an example of someone who is capable of great things and i have shown you one of these things and you show me an ancinet scan of High Father being defeated by his equal Darkseid. What amp did High Father have that made Ds defeating him so special. Ok how about this to counter my point tell me who High Father has defeated who are comparable to Dr. Strange and company.
Um highfather and DS busted thru the source wall on thier own. Highfather had just ripped thru Space/time/reality with but a wave. That is high skyfather lvl, Abstract lvl in power. Highfather doesn't need an amp. As for an ancient scan, it matters not right? They are after all the same characters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok i will address the omega effect question after work. I dont have time to post all these scans now.

The first being here was the cheapshot i addressed earlier. The second image looks as if he pwned someone but cannot tell who it is. The third image looks to be the same as the second.

The three imagestations after your initial three scans dont work so i cannot comment as i cannot see them. If you fix it I will check it out later when i get home.

This aggog i would argue he is below the Silver Surfer, so not very iimpressive to me.

Darkseid is killing lesser gods across the cosmos. So again it isnt like he is going around killing anyone of note. Did he kill dc's Odin,Ares,Zeus,etc. No.
Henk Henshaw I am glad you brought this story up. First off Darkseid needed time to recover from the asskicking he received at the hands of Doomsday. Superman bought him the time he needed to defeat henshaw. I will address this later as i must get ready for work very soon.

Again out of all these beings i see no one near Thanos. So i remain unconvinced that it would oneshot him in the least.

I am not certain if the OE can one shot Thanos or not. I just simply made the comparison of How Durable The IM is. He is clearly At or Near Thanos's level of Durability. And yet he has been one shotted by the OE several times. And if the OE doesn't work on Thanos, check it, He's still going to be seriously injured and in a fight with DS, that is something you don't want to happen. Pay close attention to the beings being hit. Altho they aren't defeated, they are in pain. And both are superior to Thanos.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p03ea3d0bd0d2379ea00cf372ba835123/fbdd33c9.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/pa3dc34a72e383294e662d0d93f4cc4c0/fbd7b508.jpg

Enough of the OE. And some of the beings that DS has beaten. And how on average he's pimp smacked a many a herald lvl being.

Let's look at his feats and some of the things that Thanos has never shown the ability to do.

The Ability to project himself thru automotons or holograms and still pwn quit nicely.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid106/pe0fb5c86846dadf5ae802dc927a747fa/f9707780.jpg
The Above shows DS projecting himself thru a hologram and pwning the precrisis JLA. I'm talking about Skyfather lvl uber superman and company. In one fell swoop. Thanos would get his ass kicked by a precrisis anything.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p50e4e9ce1cb5f7accdae4df5cc642e7a/f9143934.jpg

In the above scan, it shows DS projecting his very essence into the source and causing it to open up to him.

http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgods07127do.jpg

DS can literally see anywhere he wants to. Kinda like a mental monitor or cosmic eye if you will as shown in the above scan. Something Thanos can't do without Tech.

http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anarkymini2168ct4pn.jpg
In the above scan, DS freaking creates a GL like constuct in mid air and just smashes a rebellion.

http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds3ex5.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds4tz8.jpg
In the above scan, DS projects his mind into the very ground and makes a construct and starts pwning. What would Dear Thanos do if he was faced with all of these different projections, from a person who could literally see him without even being near him?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um highfather and DS busted thru the source wall on thier own. Highfather had just ripped thru Space/time/reality with but a wave. That is high skyfather lvl, Abstract lvl in power. Highfather doesn't need an amp. As for an ancient scan, it matters not right? They are after all the same characters. High Father and Darkseid are yin and yang to each other. They are about as equal as you can get. So to me one defeating the other isnt that amazing. They are virtual equals.

Ill remember you said that about ancient scans later.

Oh and when did Darkseid rip thorugh the Source Wall under his own power.

The scans i have here show that Metron helped free Darkseid from his entombment from the Sourcewall.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/jkfw-18-13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/jkfw-18-14.jpg

So right now this makes two instances verified with on panel evidence that Darkseid needed Superman and Metron to help him escape the Sourcewall.

Originally posted by quanchi112
High Father and Darkseid are yin and yang to each other. They are about as equal as you can get. So to me one defeating the other isnt that amazing. They are virtual equals.

Ill remember you said that about ancient scans later.

Oh and when did Darkseid rip thorugh the Source Wall under his own power.

The scans i have here show that Metron helped free Darkseid from his entombment from the Sourcewall.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/jkfw-18-13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/jkfw-18-14.jpg

So right now this makes two instances verified with on panel evidence that Darkseid needed Superman and Metron to help him escape the Sourcewall.
Remember that Highfather can Rip thru Time/Space/And Reality with but a wave of his hand. And you yourself are calling him and DS equals. When has Thanos ever shown the ability to do that. Odin himself may be the only Skyfather lvl being in marvel who can do such. Also remember that the source wall drains the beings that are on it. The longer you are on it, the weaker you become. So it would make sense that sometimes DS would need help getting off the wall. P.S. Your scan also shows True form DS in his 400 foot tall self. Notice How small metron is compared to DS.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Darkseid is killing lesser gods across the cosmos. So again it isnt like he is going around killing anyone of note. Did he kill dc's Odin,Ares,Zeus,etc. No. So i remain unconvinced that it would oneshot him in the least.

Thanos isn't near the power lvl of DC Ares, Odin, Highfather, or Zeus. Just so you know. So using that as an example doesn't really mean much.

I've already shown DS oneshotting EASG and She was Severly powerful. Skyfather lvl at least. pwning Despero who is trans lvl and beating New Gods in thier true forms. I've also shown that THE IM is just as durable as Thanos and he's been pwned Several times with the OE. Just to reiterate that even if the OE doesn't work on Thanos, it's surely going to hurt. And it's not DS only power. I'll get to that after you post some stuff about thanos. I dont' want this to be all about DS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I am not certain if the OE can one shot Thanos or not. I just simply made the comparison of How Durable The IM is. He is clearly At or Near Thanos's level of Durability. And yet he has been one shotted by the OE several times. And if the OE doesn't work on Thanos, check it, He's still going to be seriously injured and in a fight with DS, that is something you don't want to happen. Pay close attention to the beings being hit. Altho they aren't defeated, they are in pain. And both are superior to Thanos.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p03ea3d0bd0d2379ea00cf372ba835123/fbdd33c9.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/pa3dc34a72e383294e662d0d93f4cc4c0/fbd7b508.jpg The omega effect has never oneshotted a being such as Thanos. If it did strike him he no doubt would be in a great deal of pain. But when has that ever bothered Thanos before. I already showed scans with regards to Thanos insane durability. Look at the ounishment he took from Thor with the power gem. He took quite the beating and when pip began to question Thanos health he smiled a bloody smile. Thanos then began the battle in earnest showing that level of punishment he can take. It kinda makes you wonder to doesnt it. Thanos knew the whole time he had that gun that could oneshot Thor but waited to use it. He could have ended it whenever he wanted to but choose instead to engage this uber Thor for the helluva it.


I am glad you brought up Doomsday. I agree that it caused him pain but it didnt oneshot him but instead buried him under rubble.

Lets us examine what happened after what nver showed us. Again I catch him posting a scan that shows a small piece of the story here.

Also note judges that Darkseid landed the first blow in this fight after Doomsday had to basically atke on Apokolips before Darkseid engaged him.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg34.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg35.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg36.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg37-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg38-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg43.jpg

Now most dont question Thanos durability but Darkseid is another story. When Doomsday took the fight to him it was a bloodbath. Darkseid had no answer for anything he threw at him. This showing makes us all question Darkseid's durabilty especially when the fight comes to him and he cant rely on a simple hand gesture to defeat an opponent or a cheap omega shot to an unsuspecting Supergirl.


What happens after this fight. Well I will show you. Another time Superman has to save him.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-05.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-11-1.jpg


Superman and his timely use of this motherbox bought Darkseid the time he needed to recover and oneshot henshaw who was fighting Superman by the way and was cheapshotted by Darkseid. If it wasnt for Supermans actions Darkseid would have died that day. The scans prove it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos isn't near the power lvl of DC Ares, Odin, Highfather, or Zeus. Just so you know. So using that as an example doesn't really mean much.

I've already shown DS oneshotting EASG and She was Severly powerful. Skyfather lvl at least. pwning Despero who is trans lvl and beating New Gods in thier true forms. I've also shown that THE IM is just as durable as Thanos and he's been pwned Several times with the OE. Just to reiterate that even if the OE doesn't work on Thanos, it's surely going to hurt. And it's not DS only power. I'll get to that after you post some stuff about thanos. I dont' want this to be all about DS. Ok i have already shown Superman pawn him once and Doomsday utterly decimate him to the brink of death. It wasnt even a fight. Darkseid was clearly outmatched. And just because you say that dc's Odin,Ares,Odin,High Father or Zeus are outta Thanos league doesnt make it so. It is simply not true. But we arent here to debate that so lets not argue about it. We are here to rgue Thanos vs Darkseid.

The Thanos feats are coming.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The omega effect has never oneshotted a being such as Thanos. If it did strike him he no doubt would be in a great deal of pain. But when has that ever bothered Thanos before. I already showed scans with regards to Thanos insane durability. Look at the ounishment he took from Thor with the power gem. He took quite the beating and when pip began to question Thanos health he smiled a bloody smile. Thanos then began the battle in earnest showing that level of punishment he can take. It kinda makes you wonder to doesnt it. Thanos knew the whole time he had that gun that could oneshot Thor but waited to use it. He could have ended it whenever he wanted to but choose instead to engage this uber Thor for the helluva it.


I am glad you brought up Doomsday. I agree that it caused him pain but it didnt oneshot him but instead buried him under rubble.

Lets us examine what happened after what nver showed us. Again I catch him posting a scan that shows a small piece of the story here.

Also note judges that Darkseid landed the first blow in this fight after Doomsday had to basically atke on Apokolips before Darkseid engaged him.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg34.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg35.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg36.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg37-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg38-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg43.jpg

Now most dont question Thanos durability but Darkseid is another story. When Doomsday took the fight to him it was a bloodbath. Darkseid had no answer for anything he threw at him. This showing makes us all question Darkseid's durabilty especially when the fight comes to him and he cant rely on a simple hand gesture to defeat an opponent or a cheap omega shot to an unsuspecting Supergirl.


What happens after this fight. Well I will show you. Another time Superman has to save him.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-05.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-11-1.jpg


Superman and his timely use of this motherbox bought Darkseid the time he needed to recover and oneshot henshaw who was fighting Superman by the way and was cheapshotted by Darkseid. If it wasnt for Supermans actions Darkseid would have died that day. The scans prove it.

I will address this later. I have to get food now. But be ready cuz I'm coming for Thanos and his hand to hand against DS.

I am going to show Thanos taking a blast from the Silver Surfer as if it were nothing.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurfer035-03.jpg


Now I will post scans of one of thie battles to where you can clearly see Thanos's superiority over him. Simply put he does not lose to characters weaker than him outside a plot device. It just rarely happens where with Darkseid it has happened more than a few times.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CPU1-0021-22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CPU1-0023.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CPU1-0024.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CPU1-0025.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CPU1-0026.jpg

Alright we will see some of Thanos hand to hand here with the warrior Champion. Again we see Thanos coming face to face with another character who is equipped with this mega powerup.Champion is a great warrior indeed but look out Thanos just plays with him. Thanos cannot physically defeat him because of the power gem but when is physically engaging this great warrior he makes him look second rate.

Watch how easily Thanos handles Champion as he sets him up the whole time to fail and to willingly give him his power gem. Brilliant I say.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-23.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-24.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-25.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-26.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-27.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-28.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-29-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-30-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-31.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-32.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-33.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-34.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-35.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-36.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-37.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-38.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-39.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-40.jpg

In that last scan Thanos honors his part of the bargain but you have to be careful with him. Word your bargains carefully or else you could end up like Champion.

Ok now it would only be fair to look at a Thanos loss now. This is Thanos encounter with Tyrant who is powerful enough to well I will show you later in this post.

First note than Tyrant dismisses heralds in groups with ease and hasnt lost to anyone except Galactus and been defeated by the ultimate nullifier.

Let us take a look at how Thanos fared here shall we.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-26.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-27.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-28.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-29.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-30.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-31.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-32-33.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-34.jpg

There you have it Thanos leaving the battle. A Thanos loss to a character who is powerful enough to do this to Galactus.
This is what I was referring to earlier in my post that I would show you later.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg


Lets do a quick recap of what we have seen thus far. Darkseid has gone down in flames to Doomsday,was taken to and thrown into the Sourcewall by Superman. Thanos left the battle respectfully after standing on his own accord unlike Darkseid in either of these two losses I am referring to. Thanos lost to a being who made the mighty Galactus bleed and was beating him. Everyone loses in comics but Thanos doesnt lose to weaker characters as often as Darkseid does.

I have just posted Thanos meeting a more powerful character in Tyrant. This first scan shows that Darkseid has the power necessary to defeat his father Yuga Khan.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-17.jpg

Let me now show you Darkseid with a father and son reunion.

Darkseid's father has just recently escaped from the Sourcewall. His name is Yuga Khan and lets get acquainted with him shall we.

First off this scan shows that Darkseid has the power to defeat his father. He also knew he was free and had time to plan for his arrival.

Notice the fear Desaad sense from Darkseid here. Darkseid is afraid of his father while Thanos sought out Tyrant just to challenge him. Can you see the difference whereas one seeks challenges and the other is scared of a challenge when it comes his way.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-21.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-23.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-24.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have just posted Thanos meeting a more powerful character in Tyrant. This first scan shows that Darkseid has the power necessary to defeat his father Yuga Khan.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-17.jpg

Let me now show you Darkseid with a father and son reunion.

Darkseid's father has just recently escaped from the Sourcewall. His name is Yuga Khan and lets get acquainted with him shall we.

First off this scan shows that Darkseid has the power to defeat his father. He also knew he was free and had time to plan for his arrival.

Notice the fear Desaad sense from Darkseid here. Darkseid is afraid of his father while Thanos sought out Tyrant just to challenge him. Can you see the difference whereas one seeks challenges and the other is scared of a challenge when it comes his way.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-21.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-23.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewGods19-24.jpg
I would point out to you that I can also beat my father if I so chose. But I fear him. He is after all my father. At any rate, Yugah>>Tyrant. So using Those examples doesn't bode well for Thanos. And Thanos had an offensive weapon in that fight.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I would point out to you that I can also beat my father if I so chose. But I fear him. He is after all my father. At any rate, Yugah>>Tyrant. So using Those examples doesn't bode well for Thanos. And Thanos had an offensive weapon in that fight. The difference is Darkseid wanted to kill his father, he had his own mother murdered. He wasnt up to the task and was just plain outclassed. Yuga being greater than Tyrant i also disagree with. Prove it if your up for it. Whatever your opinion is of this it matters not. Thanos fought Tyrant with honor and without fear. He pursued and challenged him. Yuga pursued and found a petrified Darkseid who didnt land a blow on his father. See a pattern developing here. When Thanos loses he does it gracefully and when Darkseid loses he does it in an embarrassing fashion with little to no resistance.

Let us look now briefly at some of Thanos feats from the Infinity Crusade.

Here is Thanos,Adam Warlock, and Professor X attacking and defeating the Goddess. The Goddess was no joke and was a threat to the whole entire universe.
Note the important role Thanos played here in saving the universe.
Here are the scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-12.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-17-18.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-21.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-23.jpg

Remember earlier when I said to be careful and weary of making a deal with Thanos of Titan. Here he made a deal with the ever manipulative Mephisto for a cosmic cube. Thanos honored the deal but Mephisto wasnt as careful as he should have been when wording this. As i said Thanos makes brilliant minds look average when they match wits with his.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-37.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-38.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-39.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-40.jpg

Thanos's encounter with Grandmaster here is for all the marbles. Meaning ownership of an incomplete set of infinity gems here. Grandmaster is a being who is an elder of the universe and has been around a very long time. Grand Master is a master strategist and all of all games. This is a battle of wits. He has prepped for Thanos and has set up a game here for the two of them to participate in for keeps. Let us see how this tactician matches up against Thanos

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos_Quest_2_24.jpg
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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos_Quest_2_36.jpg


Thanos explained how he could have defeated him in any number of different ways but found this one most pleasing.
To the victor go the spoils.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos_Quest_2_37.jpg

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I want to call The forum's attention to Just how powerful DS is when fully powered.


First Example is How the CURRENT DS ( Who is slated to die soon so every thing that he's experienced in HIS past has already happened) was able to defeat a being of great power in a future that doesn't exist to the current timeline but does exist and is cannon to him.

Now the forum has already established that All DS are the same. He experiences them all since chronal changes to do not effect his CURRENT form. Now this is where you have to put your thinking caps on kids and let it sink in.

In Great Darkness Saga, A being of great and unimaginable power who no longer exist due to a change in time AND can't be used for current DS becuz of it being a future did all of this:

During GDS, a being of great and unimaginable power proved capable of teleporting Apokolips and Daxam at once, holding them literally in his mind as they're switching locations and galaxies, and mind-controlling 3 billion Daxamites:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture...09/fa661adf.jpg


Also, after the Orion fight, a being of great and unimaginable power defeated a powered-up Pre-Crisis Superboy and was about to defeat a powered-up Pre-Crisis Supergirl, while holding back, so as to not exert so much energy that he lost his control of the Daxamites, as he tells Kara ("I have not the strength to waste on such as you", before it's interrupted by the combined Legion of Super-Heroes simultaneously blasting him, which he shrugs off:



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...30/fa648780.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...f5/fa64877a.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...0e/fa648771.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...5a/fbc4e69f.jpg



Others who fell by a being of great and unimaginable power power include The Time Trapper, who created a pocket universe:



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...3f/fa661ac1.jpg





As well as the Legion/JSA-bashing Mordru:



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...27/fa661ad2.jpg


I know you are wondering what exactly is my point. My point is that the Older DS in that story Does not exist as DS becuz the timeline doesn't exist AND it's in the future. But the story did happen to current DS. He did experience it. So it's in HIS past. So he did defeat some being who was that powerful. It matters not that it was some alternate version of himself. Becuz that guy doesn't exist. What matters is that this being was able to accomplish so much and yet this is what Happened to him:

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/uxa...foundations.jpg


http://www.imagestation.com/picture...ef/f9c745b1.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...50/f9c73b06.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...03/f9c745a8.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture...60/f9c745a4.jpg Ok i may have missed this earlier so I am coming back to this now. Ok nver wanted to address Darkseid and give a background on gds Darkseid. Ok that is fine and dandy and perfectly allowed here. After Darkseid just awakened he sent for the younger version of himself. This older darkseid hadnt amped himself up yet and pwned Mordru or anyone else for that matter. The sole reason he sent for his younger version was because most of his power faded and he needed a younger body to rule effectively in the future after the errant timestream destroyed all except those safe with Darkseid here.

I will now show you the entire fight in full detail between older Darkseid and his younger version.

Please note that Darkseid used another cheapshot off on his older weaker self. Darkseid also implored the Legion to help him as he always needs an army,right?

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion29-11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion29-12.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion29-16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion29-17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion29-18.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion29-19.jpg

Darkseid uses Orion in this scan to kill the older version of Darkseid wit oneshot. He couldnt defeat an older version of himself who was self-admittingly weaker than his younger 8th century self.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion29-20.jpg


Later in the sotry Legion saves both Darkseid's as they travel back in time to prevent the Darkseids from engaging one another and putting back the younger version where he belongs to the 8th century. The Legion are uber thmselves but see how they separate and cnouse these two Darkseids before they knew what hit them.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion30-05.jpg
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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion30-11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion30-12.jpg
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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion30-16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion30-17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion30-18.jpg

That was Superman defeating Darkseid who was stealing his uber warriors powers but it still wasnt enough. This Superman beat Darkseid down himself while amping himself. The younger Darkseid failed to defeat the older Darkseid on his own. He had to use Orion for the oneshot.
This Superman wasnt even Superman yet. He was plucked out of his timestream when he was a younger boy and was grown into this hulk of a man here while still having the mind of a boy.


Look how long the older Ds stayed out that nver tried using as a feat for current Ds.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Legion30-23.jpg
That is a very long time. Wouldnt you agree?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The difference is Darkseid wanted to kill his father, he had his own mother murdered. He wasnt up to the task and was just plain outclassed. Yuga being greater than Tyrant i also disagree with. Prove it if your up for it. Whatever your opinion is of this it matters not. Thanos fought Tyrant with honor and without fear. He pursued and challenged him. Yuga pursued and found a petrified Darkseid who didnt land a blow on his father. See a pattern developing here. When Thanos loses he does it gracefully and when Darkseid loses he does it in an embarrassing fashion with little to no resistance.

I see a pattern that you are seeing. I dont see any of the being relevant to a forum battle. This isn't who's the cooler character Quan. This is who can kick who's ass when handed a challenge.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Let us look now briefly at some of Thanos feats from the Infinity Crusade.

Here is Thanos,Adam Warlock, and Professor X attacking and defeating the Goddess. The Goddess was no joke and was a threat to the whole entire universe.
Note the important role Thanos played here in saving the universe.
Here are the scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-12.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-17-18.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-21.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-23.jpg

Remember earlier when I said to be careful and weary of making a deal with Thanos of Titan. Here he made a deal with the ever manipulative Mephisto for a cosmic cube. Thanos honored the deal but Mephisto wasnt as careful as he should have been when wording this. As i said Thanos makes brilliant minds look average when they match wits with his.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-37.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-38.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-39.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Crusades-06-40.jpg

So you want to bring up important roles in saving the universe. Ha Ha. Surely you jest. Let me just post the many times DS has contributed to saving ALL of existance.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p962355ae7d748fdb28ddb31ecd53acd4/fa68a8f6.jpg
Above is DS and the power of Kismet Destroying the Multiversal Universal Being known as Imperiex. You would think that Kismet's multiversal power was enough, But no, DS had to expend his Omega's in a join effort. If DS was a weakling, Anyone could have done it. Hell, Some think Superman's Heat vision is equal to the omegas. Surely Superman could have just added his own Heat vision then.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p9ed9a6ffd5d5e37c2753d80695d888b4/fa8e2bcc.jpg

Here DS uses a conduit to shoot HIS GAZE thru luthor's eyes to Severly injure the Antimonitor. Seems that there is a pattern developing with DS and his so called Weak OE. It seems to be needed to injure Multiversal beings.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid104/p2cc3eb271b26eed5469a2a6e1b4d41e4/f98db9da.jpg

Here DS and highfather manage to break open the source wall. This feat would later have to be done by 5 skyfathers combined into one.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid103/p01fa630d716408e92db0f2108ad9b802/f9aa2085.jpg

So Thanos is Good at prep and Tech? LMAO. The scan above shows DS actually freezing the power of the Godwave. Aren't you the one who tried to claim that Chronos had the power of God in the God wave? Well DS stopped dead in it's tracks the more than Multiversal power of the Godwave. name a feat Thanos has done of similiar nature in aid of the universe. Thanos with The IG might not be able to stop the power of the God wave. DS did it and did it with lil time. So much for DS being a dummy and not being instrumental in the saving of the cosmos.

http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e2bd7jpgorig3ty.jpg

In the scan above, the uberly smart and near all knowing brainiac states that there is only one being powerful enough to aid them against the Am. Guess who that is? You guessed it right.

http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque26gf.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque36tq.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque42yu.jpg

I want to call your attention to how DS contributes to the salvation of The DCU proper. Now only does Dr. Fate Tap DS and HF as well as himself and others to collapse a Universe, They actually fight off the ALE entity. Which is billions of times more powerful than anyone had imagined. I'm going to be using the ALE Entity later on show a very important point. But We all know that It takes a shit load of power to collapse a universe. Actually reality is what is used. In comics realities tend to mean clusters of universes and time lines. You think Thanos has that kind of power to contribute to destroying a reality and fighting of The ALE? And for the record, Orion's AF has been shown to bust galaxies. As for the demon, He had a little bit to do with the feat. LMAO.

Ok I'm skipping ahead abit cuz I gotta get ready to go to church, I'll come back to some of my other points later, But I want to call to attention a major ability that DS has that Eludes Thanos, and shows that Thanos is weak against It.

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/stone.jpg
http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/vsthan.jpg

The above shows pre-ressurection Thanos being turned to stone.

Now I'm sure you are wondering why I'm using pre ressurection Thanos. It's simple. Warlock is far the inferior of DS own Reality altering powers and so even tho Thanos was in a weaker form, it's showing that he is able to be transmuted. DS who is far Superior to Warlock should have no trouble turning Thanos into kibbles and bits should he choose. Think not? Let's look at how powerful DS own reality altering powers are.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Darkseid/darkseidmanipulation.jpg
DS is manipulating living beings across the Universe like they are chess pieces. We've only seen power like that when Batmite and Mxy where playing around. Talk about power.

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult1yb9mm4.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult2mf9xn8.jpg


Take a look at each of these scans and look with the eye of someone who notices everything about the new gods. The first scan clearly shows DS avatar in human form creating new realities daily that keep mr. miracle trapped. He's creating living universes for mr. miracle to be trapped in.

Now Some say it was a mental thing. Impossible. For It says that it's the trap that moves with you. He's not trapped in his mind. He would know that. If you look at the scan, the OMEGA IS the REALITIES that he's being trapped within.

On top of all of this, the entire earth and all of it's people, and the black hole that the story took place in, where created and sustained by the DS avatar Dark Side. It should also be noted that DS managed to warp the Death avatar the black racer and even depower HighFather.

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9db7939jpgorig8zd.jpg
Here he just freaking talks and turns a DAXAMITE into Ash. Note that Daxamites have all the same powers and durability as Superman.




http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9d5ea75jpgorig6dw.jpg

And for the record, I found a scan showing beings superior to the Infinity Man. DS erased an entire pantheon of Zombie Old Gods. And if you think they were weak, the leader was able to resist the OE the first time around and DS was impressed by his power. Then He zapped him again and he was gone.

Now I have to bring up hand to hand. DS doesn't really need to fight Thanos in hand to hand, and in a prolonged hand to hand fight he would lose 6-7/10. But here I shall prove that DS doesn't have to make it a prolonged fight if he fights like he's been shown is within his ability. The vast majority of his history he's pwned superman lvl beings in the form of daxamites, Superman more times than Superman has beat him, wonder woman, orion, lightray, metron, ect.

But let's just say that Thanos tries to take the fight to DS physically becuz He's heard about the Being Superman being able to do the same.
Let's look and see What DS has and Superman also has that Thanos doesn't. Speed. Super Speed and Reaction Times. DS also has uber Martial Arts skills and agility. Thanos hasn't shown any Martial arts skill or Agility on par with DS. Just look at these speed, skill, and agility feats:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pfa7bedcf849d72a026194e53c4122076/fa690929.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p1e86ecc427e3212ce550d59f97634ede/fa690920.jpg
Note that Superman was blitzing DS and he Got bitched.

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=010supermanbatman012rembrandtdcprx8.jpg

In this scan, DS shows Utter Speed and Fighting Skill as he trashes the amped up Batman. Batman had a special Battle suit on and a mother box, and DS completely overwhelmed the uberly skilled batman And he's using superspeed. Note the blur in the first panel.

http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oriondarkseid50hu.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oriondarkseid32uw.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oriondarkseid48nn.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oriondarkseid50hu.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oriondarkseid66xq.jpg

Note in the above scans, DS and Orion are fighting manoymano in a martial arts fight of equal footing. Orion is using superspeed as well as skills and he still wouldn't have won. It was later revieled that DS threw the right.


Ok so I've shown DS blitzting or repelling a blitz by superman. So now what we have to do is play out the averages. Let's I've already posted a many a blitz by superman and others who have gotten pimp smacked. now let's look at one of the sad moments in DC history. Look at how this fight was going:
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman39xb.jpg

Continued in next post.

If you look in the above post Superman Got ***** slapped silly once again.

Then When Superman gets his bearings, and is Full on ANGRY. We are talking about superman not holding back He does this
http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesds19im.jpg
http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesds25in.jpg

Notice How he Blitzed DS and gives him his best and still gets bitched. DS rarely gives Superman anything more than a pimp hand. And it's enough. DS was about to kill Superman. As a result, he was releasing one of his most powerful Omega Beams (Note these are the Omega Beams Same as the ones he used on Doomsday. NOT the OMEGA Effect)
http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesds37wq.jpg
This is what Happened that gave Superman the advantage. Up until then, He was really doing not a thing to DS.

If there is any doubt that DS is so fast that Superman Cannot react most of the time, then catch this:
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds24wi.jpg



Here he is using his superior strength and speed to pwn The Darkstars.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=466263&pagenumber=3


So Why did I take all this time to post scans about DS Speed, Agility, skill? Well when has Thanos ever fought anyone who possessed ALL of these qualities to such a degree? We've seen Thanos fight Thor, who was mad and uber powerful, but Thor certainly showed not martial skill, uber speed, or agility. Thanos fought Morg and the same thing. Morg didn't show he could speed blitz anyone or Dodge attacks with speed and skill. So What we have here is Thanos who may be a lil bit stronger than DS hand to hand but is beat in all of the other areas. And DS is so strong that coupled with his speed, skill, and agility, Thanos would be hard pressed for his hand to hand victories. And If you think Thanos can't be beaten by skill just take a look at this:
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warlockinfinitywatch008sy3.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warlockinfinitywatch008uu8.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warlockinfinitywatch008zi8.jpg
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And Gamora isn't nearly as fast as DS or as strong. Did you all see her make Thanos bleed? Now imagine if She had DS speed and strength. Thanos was already missing her and he was trying in earnest.

Now, I'm sure DS durability will be brought into question. I want to bring to everyone's the attention the overwhelming majority of durability feats DS has. And That I can only think of two instances where his durability was comprimised without him self injuring. One is when Doomsday was uber powerful and had just been KO'd by DS and powered up with his energy. And the other is when he cried out saying he was blinded by superman. As I can accept the Doomsday one since Technically DS got a KMC win with a KO, Then we are left with the Superman PIS fest. I will now undermind any attempt to question Just how Durable DS is. Since his durability would come into play should he be hit by one of Thanos's mighty blast or a punch.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/p7dd906736ac2be9d03280421467fc339/fbbed87d.jpg
Here Lobo, the guy who's been able to beat the JLA at times, and rock superman hurts his hand on DS face

http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drfate1115rv6.jpg
Here Dr. Fate, you know the guy who is DC's resident mage supreme, is giving DS his mighties blast and it's laughed off. Then DS uses hand beams and pwns fate.

More to come on DS durability.
Edit: I forgot to include this scan in DS speed and reaction section. Check it out:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Darkseid/?action=view&current=darkseidmicrosecondreactions.jpg

http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion30100xl.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion30118qz.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion30163wj.jpg

Here we have the power of Violet, Superboy, and the awesomely powerful Kid Quantum and uber powerful Livewire/Element Lad combo go to work on DS. They had to actually work to push him back, and that was when they caught him by surprise. When he gets thru the portal we see not a scratch on him.

http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssosv004121rd8mw.jpg
http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssosv004174cl2df.jpg

Now in the scans above mantis had absorbed the FULL power of a GL ring. He blasted DS with everything he had and DS actually called the powers pathetic. Imagine that, the full brunt of a GL ring was pathetic to him. Some would try to use the Raker battle as a low showing for DS. I use this as example of why it's true that DS truly did let raker live. He is DS and he always serves his own means.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok since nverbeenwthagirl has brought up the Superman Batman angle i will fully explain what happened prior to Darkseids cheapshot.

These scans right here demonstrate Batmans brilliant thinking when pitted against Darkseid and shows that he can be out thought and even on his own planet against a few characters with a whole planet backing him up. The goal here was to bring back Supergirl home alive and safe. I think they accomplished their goal here.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/008-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
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What happens next we later found out was another ploy basically by Batman and Darkseid baiting Darkseid into attacking Superman here. Basically he was out thought twice in this overall story and in these scans beaten down physically as well. He lost all across the board here and this also further demonstrated that Darkseid can and has been beaten physically. Also note that Darkseid wasnt the 400 foot monster that nver describes him as.

At the beginning of this fight Darkseid comes out of nowhere. No warning just a cheapshot to start this fight.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/018-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/019-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg


Now the fight is personal so to speak. Darkseid is prepared to boomtube away but Superman doesnt let him just leave the battlefield.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/001-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
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I also want the judges here to pay attention to this crucial point here. We have just seen Darkseid and Superman now get put into the Sourcewall by one another. Superman took Darkseid's beaten body across the known universe and accomplished it. After Superman saved Darkseid and pulled him from the wall Darkseid just seized the opportunity to strike on an unsuspecting Superman who was right next to the Sourcewall. Note the differences here please.

I would like for everyone to pay attention to what quan is trying to say. He's Trying to say that DS allowed Superman to take him across the universe. If you look at the scans, DS is injured from his own OB. Then when he recups, He says enough and breaks Superman's hold. By then they are damn near the surface of the sun or a sun or where ever they are. SO DS is injured and Superman is Getting a nice sun amp. We already know that the source wall did the rest of the work. this victory for Superman is thus rendered INVALID.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I see a pattern that you are seeing. I dont see any of the being relevant to a forum battle. This isn't who's the cooler character Quan. This is who can kick who's ass when handed a challenge. This is relevant. I showed how Thanos and Darkseid both respond to more powerful characters than themselves. Thanos fought while Darkseid cowered in a sense. He was dismissed rather easily whereas Tyrant gave Thanos credit into being more than these others were. I also showed what Tyrant is capable of. He caused the mighty Galactus to shriek out in pain. So a loss to this character isnt so bad when you take a look at his overall power level. He is up there. Darkseid didnt even attempt to fight his father. He was humiliated as Desaad sensed and enjoyed his fear.

Thanos and Darkseid are not all powerful here and we must take a look at how they react when facing an extremely powerful opponent. My point has been made and the judges will decide how relevant this is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is relevant. I showed how Thanos and Darkseid both respond to more powerful characters than themselves. Thanos fought while Darkseid cowered in a sense. He was dismissed rather easily whereas Tyrant gave Thanos credit into being more than these others were. I also showed what Tyrant is capable of. He caused the mighty Galactus to shriek out in pain. So a loss to this character isnt so bad when you take a look at his overall power level. He is up there. Darkseid didnt even attempt to fight his father. He was humiliated as Desaad sensed and enjoyed his fear.

Thanos and Darkseid are not all powerful here and we must take a look at how they react when facing an extremely powerful opponent. My point has been made and the judges will decide how relevant this is.

If you want to show how DS reacts to an extremely powerful opponent, then make note that DS struck out at the Spectre without flinching. Face to Face with the wrath of God. Thanos faced tyrant who used a lot of prep to beat Galactus. Let us also note that DS would respond Differently to Thanos than he would to Yuga. DS is after all more powerful than Thanos by a Good margin. As I'm about to demonstrate with authority.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So you want to bring up important roles in saving the universe. Ha Ha. Surely you jest. Let me just post the many times DS has contributed to saving ALL of existance.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p962355ae7d748fdb28ddb31ecd53acd4/fa68a8f6.jpg
Above is DS and the power of Kismet Destroying the Multiversal Universal Being known as Imperiex. You would think that Kismet's multiversal power was enough, But no, DS had to expend his Omega's in a join effort. If DS was a weakling, Anyone could have done it. Hell, Some think Superman's Heat vision is equal to the omegas. Surely Superman could have just added his own Heat vision then.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p9ed9a6ffd5d5e37c2753d80695d888b4/fa8e2bcc.jpg

Here DS uses a conduit to shoot HIS GAZE thru luthor's eyes to Severly injure the Antimonitor. Seems that there is a pattern developing with DS and his so called Weak OE. It seems to be needed to injure Multiversal beings.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid104/p2cc3eb271b26eed5469a2a6e1b4d41e4/f98db9da.jpg

Here DS and highfather manage to break open the source wall. This feat would later have to be done by 5 skyfathers combined into one.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid103/p01fa630d716408e92db0f2108ad9b802/f9aa2085.jpg

So Thanos is Good at prep and Tech? LMAO. The scan above shows DS actually freezing the power of the Godwave. Aren't you the one who tried to claim that Chronos had the power of God in the God wave? Well DS stopped dead in it's tracks the more than Multiversal power of the Godwave. name a feat Thanos has done of similiar nature in aid of the universe. Thanos with The IG might not be able to stop the power of the God wave. DS did it and did it with lil time. So much for DS being a dummy and not being instrumental in the saving of the cosmos.

http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e2bd7jpgorig3ty.jpg

In the scan above, the uberly smart and near all knowing brainiac states that there is only one being powerful enough to aid them against the Am. Guess who that is? You guessed it right.

http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque26gf.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque36tq.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque42yu.jpg

I want to call your attention to how DS contributes to the salvation of The DCU proper. Now only does Dr. Fate Tap DS and HF as well as himself and others to collapse a Universe, They actually fight off the ALE entity. Which is billions of times more powerful than anyone had imagined. I'm going to be using the ALE Entity later on show a very important point. But We all know that It takes a shit load of power to collapse a universe. Actually reality is what is used. In comics realities tend to mean clusters of universes and time lines. You think Thanos has that kind of power to contribute to destroying a reality and fighting of The ALE? And for the record, Orion's AF has been shown to bust galaxies. As for the demon, He had a little bit to do with the feat. LMAO. Darkseid has contributed in saving the universe. Kismet is more than a force to be reckoned with. With the scan i showed it was Adam Warlock,Thanos, and Professor X helping to save the known universe. It wasnt Thanos and Eternity. Kismet could offer a lot more help than just Adam Warlock and Professor X at their base power levels.

But if you want to show Darkseid getting help from someone as powerful as Kismet ill show Thanos here and his role in defeating the Magus. Note that it was Thanos who had the reality gem and had also been behind the master plan to fool the Magus who was also a universal threat. Magus had five powerful cosmic cubes at his disposal but it wasnt enough power and his true goal was to set in motion a chain of events leading to the infinity gauntlet back in use. In his hands and making him seemingly all powerful.Here are the scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/INFINTYWARS_06-12.jpg
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Of course you EMPHASIZE Darkseid's role in weakening the Anti Monitor. Luthor was needed specifically for this. He was just as vital to this feat as Darkseid was. Another thing is I have never referred to the Omega Effect as weak. The Omega isnt as powerful as it was say during the times of Crisis on Infinite Earths and around then. Darkseid along with his omega effect was both more powerful back then but have been toned down. The Spectre also severely weakened the Am prior to Ds and Luthor's involvement and please do not leave this crucial detail out.

Darkseid and High Father breaking open the Sourcewall. Both of their power stems from the Source itself. It is yin and yang working together. So of course they are going to be able to tamper with the Sourcewall.

With regards to Braniac's mentioning of Darkseid being powerful enough to aid them against the Am. Thanos has also helped save reality and be a major piece as well as i have just shown you with the Goddess and Magus earlier in this very post.
continued on next post.....

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid has contributed in saving the universe. Kismet is more than a force to be reckoned with. With the scan i showed it was Adam Warlock,Thanos, and Professor X helping to save the known universe. It wasnt Thanos and Eternity. Kismet could offer a lot more help than just Adam Warlock and Professor X at their base power levels.

But if you want to show Darkseid getting help from someone as powerful as Kismet ill show Thanos here and his role in defeating the Magus. Note that it was Thanos who had the reality gem and had also been behind the master plan to fool the Magus who was also a universal threat. Magus had five powerful cosmic cubes at his disposal but it wasnt enough power and his true goal was to set in motion a chain of events leading to the infinity gauntlet back in use. In his hands and making him seemingly all powerful.Here are the scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/INFINTYWARS_06-12.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/INFINTYWARS_06-13.jpg
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Of course you EMPHASIZE Darkseid's role in weakening the Anti Monitor. Luthor was needed specifically for this. He was just as vital to this feat as Darkseid was. Another thing is I have never referred to the Omega Effect as weak. The Omega isnt as powerful as it was say during the times of Crisis on Infinite Earths and around then. Darkseid along with his omega effect was both more powerful back then but have been toned down. The Spectre also severely weakened the Am prior to Ds and Luthor's involvement and please do not leave this crucial detail out.

Darkseid and High Father breaking open the Sourcewall. Both of their power stems from the Source itself. It is yin and yang working together. So of course they are going to be able to tamper with the Sourcewall.

With regards to Braniac's mentioning of Darkseid being powerful enough to aid them against the Am. Thanos has also helped save reality and be a major piece as well as i have just shown you with the Goddess and Magus earlier in this very post.
continued on next post.....

Yes Kismet is severly powerful, and Yet it was DS power that was needed along with hers to accomplish the goal. I have already established that DS has been shown to hurt multiversal beings with his OE. As for the AM, He had absorbed his own universe, which was the equal of everything the multiverse was. He repowered himself then DS channelled his power thru AL. AL was the conduit and changed the form of energy. But the power itself was DS. As for DS and highfather busting the source wall, Yugah couldn't do it. And he is >>>>>>>>>DS and HF when in comes to controlling the power of the source.

Ok now for some Feats and displays of power:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Ale016.jpg

Here DS merges his power with the limitless source of nature that Etrigan taps. They actually mange to ensnare and bind the ALE entity.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Ale017.jpg

Here DS again Shows how fast he can calculate and react.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So you want to bring up important roles in saving the universe. Ha Ha. Surely you jest. Let me just post the many times DS has contributed to saving ALL of existance.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p962355ae7d748fdb28ddb31ecd53acd4/fa68a8f6.jpg
Above is DS and the power of Kismet Destroying the Multiversal Universal Being known as Imperiex. You would think that Kismet's multiversal power was enough, But no, DS had to expend his Omega's in a join effort. If DS was a weakling, Anyone could have done it. Hell, Some think Superman's Heat vision is equal to the omegas. Surely Superman could have just added his own Heat vision then.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p9ed9a6ffd5d5e37c2753d80695d888b4/fa8e2bcc.jpg

Here DS uses a conduit to shoot HIS GAZE thru luthor's eyes to Severly injure the Antimonitor. Seems that there is a pattern developing with DS and his so called Weak OE. It seems to be needed to injure Multiversal beings.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid104/p2cc3eb271b26eed5469a2a6e1b4d41e4/f98db9da.jpg

Here DS and highfather manage to break open the source wall. This feat would later have to be done by 5 skyfathers combined into one.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid103/p01fa630d716408e92db0f2108ad9b802/f9aa2085.jpg

So Thanos is Good at prep and Tech? LMAO. The scan above shows DS actually freezing the power of the Godwave. Aren't you the one who tried to claim that Chronos had the power of God in the God wave? Well DS stopped dead in it's tracks the more than Multiversal power of the Godwave. name a feat Thanos has done of similiar nature in aid of the universe. Thanos with The IG might not be able to stop the power of the God wave. DS did it and did it with lil time. So much for DS being a dummy and not being instrumental in the saving of the cosmos.

http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e2bd7jpgorig3ty.jpg

In the scan above, the uberly smart and near all knowing brainiac states that there is only one being powerful enough to aid them against the Am. Guess who that is? You guessed it right.

http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque26gf.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque36tq.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinque42yu.jpg

I want to call your attention to how DS contributes to the salvation of The DCU proper. Now only does Dr. Fate Tap DS and HF as well as himself and others to collapse a Universe, They actually fight off the ALE entity. Which is billions of times more powerful than anyone had imagined. I'm going to be using the ALE Entity later on show a very important point. But We all know that It takes a shit load of power to collapse a universe. Actually reality is what is used. In comics realities tend to mean clusters of universes and time lines. You think Thanos has that kind of power to contribute to destroying a reality and fighting of The ALE? And for the record, Orion's AF has been shown to bust galaxies. As for the demon, He had a little bit to do with the feat. LMAO. It does take a crap load of power to destroy reality. Here is Thanos encounter with Hunger. He had previously warned Galactus to shut his new device down but he didnt listen. This is what Galactus actions caused.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos0512.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos0513.jpg

Listen carefully to how Thanos describes this interdimensional parasite and what he says he is capable of. He can absorb all of reality. Darkseid had uber help with him against the ALE but Thanos had only a plan and a clueless Galactus at his disposal who had caused this whole unneeded affair.

Watch as Thanos calmly deals with and defeats this being who is capable of absorbing ALL of REALITY.

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This blast was so powerful it severely injured the mighty Galactus here. Thanos defeated the Hunger basically on his own while Darkseid had equal help. Thanos was the reason the Hunger was defeated. Thanos and Thanos alone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok I'm skipping ahead abit cuz I gotta get ready to go to church, I'll come back to some of my other points later, But I want to call to attention a major ability that DS has that Eludes Thanos, and shows that Thanos is weak against It.

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/stone.jpg
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The above shows pre-ressurection Thanos being turned to stone.

Now I'm sure you are wondering why I'm using pre ressurection Thanos. It's simple. Warlock is far the inferior of DS own Reality altering powers and so even tho Thanos was in a weaker form, it's showing that he is able to be transmuted. DS who is far Superior to Warlock should have no trouble turning Thanos into kibbles and bits should he choose. Think not? Let's look at how powerful DS own reality altering powers are.

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DS is manipulating living beings across the Universe like they are chess pieces. We've only seen power like that when Batmite and Mxy where playing around. Talk about power.

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Take a look at each of these scans and look with the eye of someone who notices everything about the new gods. The first scan clearly shows DS avatar in human form creating new realities daily that keep mr. miracle trapped. He's creating living universes for mr. miracle to be trapped in.

Now Some say it was a mental thing. Impossible. For It says that it's the trap that moves with you. He's not trapped in his mind. He would know that. If you look at the scan, the OMEGA IS the REALITIES that he's being trapped within.

On top of all of this, the entire earth and all of it's people, and the black hole that the story took place in, where created and sustained by the DS avatar Dark Side. It should also be noted that DS managed to warp the Death avatar the black racer and even depower HighFather.

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Here he just freaking talks and turns a DAXAMITE into Ash. Note that Daxamites have all the same powers and durability as Superman.




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And for the record, I found a scan showing beings superior to the Infinity Man. DS erased an entire pantheon of Zombie Old Gods. And if you think they were weak, the leader was able to resist the OE the first time around and DS was impressed by his power. Then He zapped him again and he was gone. Ok let me begin to dissect your flawed logic here. For one you compare Adam Warlock's reality altering powers against Darkseid's correct? This was Adam Warlock's spirit so it surely was different altogether than Warlock in the flesh. Thanos had already defeated him and his spirit came back and did this. We cannot factor in the difference between what Warlock is capable of in human form in comparison to his ghost form. If he could have done this in human form he would just have done it. He couldnt and only his ghost could accomplish this.

Here is a scan after his resurrection where Thanos has been upgraded immensely so this is a moot point.

Reality like all other outside influences has a minimal effect on me. Thanos always stays true to himself.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-10.jpg

Again no one has transmuted Thanos into anything after his first death. The reason is because they cant. Thanos can deal with reality warping as this scan has proved.

I believe he trapped Mr. Miracle in his mind. This makes sense to me as the mind can be the ultimate trap that you cant escape from.

Darkseid attacked their minds as He hasnt used this power since this event. He defeated Orion with a hand gesture and didnt reality warp him or attack his mind. He didnt implement this strategy against Orion then.

All daxamites arent capable of what Superman is capable of. You yourself have said that Superman and him only in DC is capable of skyfather feats. Superman has and will always stand out as the greatest of the kryptonians.

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Here DS laughs at the master blaster. A weapon capable of killing any lifeform.


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Here DS is shown again using his uber reality manipulating powers in the form of his famous chess board, ( In the same fashion that mxy and joker used) to recreate parasite from his memories of the Precrisis days.


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If you think Thanos has the goods to put DS down then gander at the above of DS true Durability. He takes an aspect of the ALE pointblank, which overloads his machine that has other power of the ALE collected. Earlier in the same story, one such aspects of the ALE had shattered a solar System.

Speaking of power that it takes to collapse reality, I doubt Thanos is powerful enough to cause this to happen if he were removed from reality:
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DS can travel Thru time:
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DS has power over life and Death:
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Brings Bernadeth back to life

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Brings Orion back to life, right after he kills him


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Ressurects Literally hundreds or thousands of Parademons who had been slain in battle with the amazons simply by raising his hand. Has Thanos ever shown such mastery over the forces of Life and death and the soul? I think not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It does take a crap load of power to destroy reality. Here is Thanos encounter with Hunger. He had previously warned Galactus to shut his new device down but he didnt listen. This is what Galactus actions caused.


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Listen carefully to how Thanos describes this interdimensional parasite and what he says he is capable of. He can absorb all of reality. Darkseid had uber help with him against the ALE but Thanos had only a plan and a clueless Galactus at his disposal who had caused this whole unneeded affair.

Watch as Thanos calmly deals with and defeats this being who is capable of absorbing ALL of REALITY.

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This blast was so powerful it severely injured the mighty Galactus here. Thanos defeated the Hunger basically on his own while Darkseid had equal help. Thanos was the reason the Hunger was defeated. Thanos and Thanos alone. Although Thanos planning was impressive. It doesn't show him defeating this being on his own. And the being itself doesn't look to be that impressive. Yes Thanos is a master strategist. No, He didn't defeat nor did he stand up to this being with any fraction of his own power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now I have to bring up hand to hand. DS doesn't really need to fight Thanos in hand to hand, and in a prolonged hand to hand fight he would lose 6-7/10. But here I shall prove that DS doesn't have to make it a prolonged fight if he fights like he's been shown is within his ability. The vast majority of his history he's pwned superman lvl beings in the form of daxamites, Superman more times than Superman has beat him, wonder woman, orion, lightray, metron, ect.

But let's just say that Thanos tries to take the fight to DS physically becuz He's heard about the Being Superman being able to do the same.
Let's look and see What DS has and Superman also has that Thanos doesn't. Speed. Super Speed and Reaction Times. DS also has uber Martial Arts skills and agility. Thanos hasn't shown any Martial arts skill or Agility on par with DS. Just look at these speed, skill, and agility feats:

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Note that Superman was blitzing DS and he Got bitched.

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In this scan, DS shows Utter Speed and Fighting Skill as he trashes the amped up Batman. Batman had a special Battle suit on and a mother box, and DS completely overwhelmed the uberly skilled batman And he's using superspeed. Note the blur in the first panel.

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Note in the above scans, DS and Orion are fighting manoymano in a martial arts fight of equal footing. Orion is using superspeed as well as skills and he still wouldn't have won. It was later revieled that DS threw the right.


Ok so I've shown DS blitzting or repelling a blitz by superman. So now what we have to do is play out the averages. Let's I've already posted a many a blitz by superman and others who have gotten pimp smacked. now let's look at one of the sad moments in DC history. Look at how this fight was going:
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Continued in next post. Darkseid losing to Superman hurts his case. His durability is what cost him the fight we have seen thus far. If Darkseid cant end the fight quickly he tends to lose steam and fast. Remember the Doomsday fight. It was a massacre. Thanos could also defeat Superman,Wonderwoman,Lightray,Metron so this doesnt prove anything. I remain confident that Thanos doesnt lose Superman outside a plot device. Thanos hasnt lost to a Superman level being from Marvel and that is what we have to go on.Ds does have the majority against supes but not a perfect record,not even close. In the loss we saw thus far he was literally pummeled into submission.

the Silver Surfer has speed,reaction times and Thanos has defeated him everytime the they have fought. Thanos doesnt lose to beings that are faster than him. Show me where someone with Ds speed has beaten Thanos and it was because of speed. Dont claim it prove it. The difference here is Thanos hasnt lost to a being as fast as Darkseid because of his speed but Darkseid has lost to Superman. One has happened and more than once and one is your theory and your theory alone. I will say again prove someone with Ds speed can defeat Thanos because of his speed!

Ok you are bringing up the Orion thrown fight here. For one this is an isolated incident. Darkseid hasnt shown this type of ability before to pull him out of a pickle. Thanos trained Gamora and made her arguably the deadliest woman in the universe. For Thanos to train someone in this way one could only assume he knows how to defend himself against this if need be, he is Thanos and wouldnt be prepared against something like this. With his track record this is something he just didnt oversee. If you think Thanos can be beaten by martial arts when is he is in an actual fight.

I cannot believe you are using Batman here. Batman with this amp did nothing special to warrant him being an actual threat to Superman let alone someone like Thanos or Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok let me begin to dissect your flawed logic here. For one you compare Adam Warlock's reality altering powers against Darkseid's correct? This was Adam Warlock's spirit so it surely was different altogether than Warlock in the flesh. Thanos had already defeated him and his spirit came back and did this. We cannot factor in the difference between what Warlock is capable of in human form in comparison to his ghost form. If he could have done this in human form he would just have done it. He couldnt and only his ghost could accomplish this.

Here is a scan after his resurrection where Thanos has been upgraded immensely so this is a moot point.

Reality like all other outside influences has a minimal effect on me. Thanos always stays true to himself.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-10.jpg

Again no one has transmuted Thanos into anything after his first death. The reason is because they cant. Thanos can deal with reality warping as this scan has proved.

I believe he trapped Mr. Miracle in his mind. This makes sense to me as the mind can be the ultimate trap that you cant escape from.

Darkseid attacked their minds as He hasnt used this power since this event. He defeated Orion with a hand gesture and didnt reality warp him or attack his mind. He didnt implement this strategy against Orion then.

All daxamites arent capable of what Superman is capable of. You yourself have said that Superman and him only in DC is capable of skyfather feats. Superman has and will always stand out as the greatest of the kryptonians.

Now the fun begins quan. First of all, Mr. Miracle himself says that they are alternate Realities. And We know DS can create alternate realities. Guess where the story is taking place? In a black hole, on a planet, with billions of people, all created by Darkside. DS also has used his reality maniplulation powers in Firestorm, which is why I argued to have everything until the end included. He reached right into the RED or Firestorm matrix and pulled the professor out. That is a reality manip feat of the highest order.

Now, We get to superman. You like to use Superman to bring down DS. Yet every other being that is in Superman's class gets bitched By DS. Even Superman himself has far more embarrassing moments against DS than DS has with Superman. Superman gets outright owned, While DS has to have plot devices or simple stupid writers to get pwned. I have posted far too many scans of Superman getting his ass handed to him for you to ignore it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now, I'm sure DS durability will be brought into question. I want to bring to everyone's the attention the overwhelming majority of durability feats DS has. And That I can only think of two instances where his durability was comprimised without him self injuring. One is when Doomsday was uber powerful and had just been KO'd by DS and powered up with his energy. And the other is when he cried out saying he was blinded by superman. As I can accept the Doomsday one since Technically DS got a KMC win with a KO, Then we are left with the Superman PIS fest. I will now undermind any attempt to question Just how Durable DS is. Since his durability would come into play should he be hit by one of Thanos's mighty blast or a punch.

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Here Lobo, the guy who's been able to beat the JLA at times, and rock superman hurts his hand on DS face

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Here Dr. Fate, you know the guy who is DC's resident mage supreme, is giving DS his mighties blast and it's laughed off. Then DS uses hand beams and pwns fate.

More to come on DS durability.
Edit: I forgot to include this scan in DS speed and reaction section. Check it out:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Darkseid/?action=view&current=darkseidmicrosecondreactions.jpg I will go into greater detail later addressing Darkseid's durability and his lack thereof. Ok let me say that Ds wouldnt get a win over Doomsday with a ko as all he really did was bury him under rubble. He wasnt dead and that is why he recovered and came back at the overconfident Ds so quickly. If you have a scan of Doomsday getting killed and resurrecting himself immediately like here you may have a point but if you dont then you have nothing. Doomsday was abeing powerful enough to survive the OE just like Thanos. And we all saw what quick work he made of Ds when he got his hands on him. Ds didnt land another blow. Not one. Durability in this fight.


Lobo hurt his hands on Ds face, Superman's fists havent. Doomsday's fists felt fine as well. In the Superman loss that we saw Ds face got rocked.

Wasnt this Desaad posing as Darkseid because if you maintain that it was the real Ds I have a scan in store for you. Anyways this Dr. Fate was nothing in terms of expereince and power as previous ones. This feat stands unimpressive even if you contend it was the real Ds. I await your answer on this.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
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Here we have the power of Violet, Superboy, and the awesomely powerful Kid Quantum and uber powerful Livewire/Element Lad combo go to work on DS. They had to actually work to push him back, and that was when they caught him by surprise. When he gets thru the portal we see not a scratch on him.

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Now in the scans above mantis had absorbed the FULL power of a GL ring. He blasted DS with everything he had and DS actually called the powers pathetic. Imagine that, the full brunt of a GL ring was pathetic to him. Some would try to use the Raker battle as a low showing for DS. I use this as example of why it's true that DS truly did let raker live. He is DS and he always serves his own means. Ok let me first again go back to Foundations here.

All these three scans show is that they pushed Ds back without him doing anything at all to significantly damage any of the Legion that drove him back. They didnt want to injure him but only wanted him back to his proper place and proper time. It wasnt their goal to him. What injuries did you see on the Legion members that drove him back?

The second scan was Darkseid defeating someone who was under Darkseid. He defeated someone who had received a power up but was given his true power in the first place by Darkseid himself. He was never more powerful than Darkseid. So him defeating on of his elite here does not stand out in the slightest.

Oh with raker I will definitely clear things up later. You are not getting off that easy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I will go into greater detail later addressing Darkseid's durability and his lack thereof. Ok let me say that Ds wouldnt get a win over Doomsday with a ko as all he really did was bury him under rubble. He wasnt dead and that is why he recovered and came back at the overconfident Ds so quickly. If you have a scan of Doomsday getting killed and resurrecting himself immediately like here you may have a point but if you dont then you have nothing. Doomsday was abeing powerful enough to survive the OE just like Thanos. And we all saw what quick work he made of Ds when he got his hands on him. Ds didnt land another blow. Not one. Durability in this fight.


Lobo hurt his hands on Ds face, Superman's fists havent. Doomsday's fists felt fine as well. In the Superman loss that we saw Ds face got rocked.

Wasnt this Desaad posing as Darkseid because if you maintain that it was the real Ds I have a scan in store for you. Anyways this Dr. Fate was nothing in terms of expereince and power as previous ones. This feat stands unimpressive even if you contend it was the real Ds. I await your answer on this.
I've already pwned you on DS durability. Check out my scan showing him taking a blast from the ALE at point blank range. Also, Doomsday was down for the count and DS had time for a monologue. That means he was down. We also know that Doomsday is an uber being with static strength. I do not count it as a low feat that DS got beat up from behind. As a matter of fact, I've already thrown suspicion on the nentire story becuz DD didnt' boom tube to new genesis. there for he should have been an ant to the new Gods. The story is unreliabel and doesn't hold credit due to the author having many oversites. As for Superman, we've already talked about him. He has ONE I repeat ONE solid win over DS. And given the forum rules, that would be PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok let me first again go back to Foundations here.

All these three scans show is that they pushed Ds back without him doing anything at all to significantly damage any of the Legion that drove him back. They didnt want to injure him but only wanted him back to his proper place and proper time. It wasnt their goal to him. What injuries did you see on the Legion members that drove him back?

The second scan was Darkseid defeating someone who was under Darkseid. He defeated someone who had received a power up but was given his true power in the first place by Darkseid himself. He was never more powerful than Darkseid. So him defeating on of his elite here does not stand out in the slightest.

Oh with raker I will definitely clear things up later. You are not getting off that easy.
You miss the point. All the legion could do was drive back the DS. With all that power, DS sustained no injuries. And mantis wasn't using his power against DS. He was using the FULL power of a GL Ring. Nice try tho.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You miss the point. All the legion could do was drive back the DS. With all that power, DS sustained no injuries. And mantis wasn't using his power against DS. He was using the FULL power of a GL Ring. Nice try tho. No you missed the point. They DIDNT want to injure Darkseid and he didnt injure them in return. No one was injured. So while ds wanted to injure these beings for driving him back to where he came from the Legion just wanted him back. Ds wanted to injure them and failed while the Legion wanted him through the portal. They succeeded while Darkseid failed.

Also note nver that they went back in time to save the younger ds from being destroyed by the timestream.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid losing to Superman hurts his case. His durability is what cost him the fight we have seen thus far. If Darkseid cant end the fight quickly he tends to lose steam and fast. Remember the Doomsday fight. It was a massacre. Thanos could also defeat Superman,Wonderwoman,Lightray,Metron so this doesnt prove anything. I remain confident that Thanos doesnt lose Superman outside a plot device. Thanos hasnt lost to a Superman level being from Marvel and that is what we have to go on.Ds does have the majority against supes but not a perfect record,not even close. In the loss we saw thus far he was literally pummeled into submission.

First of all, I've already shown that Superman can accomplish skyfather lvl feats. You yourself just said that Superman can accomplish what even daxamites cannot. And Monel has some uber feats of his own. We also know that Doomsday is a beast. He also blind sided DS from behind, After he recieved a nice amp via the omega beams.

Originally posted by quanchi112

the Silver Surfer has speed,reaction times and Thanos has defeated him everytime the they have fought. Thanos doesnt lose to beings that are faster than him. Show me where someone with Ds speed has beaten Thanos and it was because of speed. Dont claim it prove it. The difference here is Thanos hasnt lost to a being as fast as Darkseid because of his speed but Darkseid has lost to Superman. One has happened and more than once and one is your theory and your theory alone. I will say again prove someone with Ds speed can defeat Thanos because of his speed!
The silver surfer never uses his speed in a one on one as does Superman or even DS for that matter. The point is moot. We have almost no examples of surfer doing any kind of tacticle speed blitzing. I also want you to realize that DS is more powerful than anyone that Thanos has faced who would use Superspeed. It's not that Thanos can't take speed alone. We know he can. But show me Thanos taking The speed of DS with the POWER and STRENGTH of DS.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Ok you are bringing up the Orion thrown fight here. For one this is an isolated incident. Darkseid hasnt shown this type of ability before to pull him out of a pickle. Thanos trained Gamora and made her arguably the deadliest woman in the universe. For Thanos to train someone in this way one could only assume he knows how to defend himself against this if need be, he is Thanos and wouldnt be prepared against something like this. With his track record this is something he just didnt oversee. If you think Thanos can be beaten by martial arts when is he is in an actual fight.

One reason DS doesn't use those skills is becuz he doesn't have to. He has a planet full of warriors. He's also said out of his own mouth that he let's others fight becuz he likes to corrupt them. You also miss the point about Gamora, she was evading his attacks and drew blood. DS is easily faster than her, and was shown using uber agility. Now DS is also far stronger than Gamora. So one can't just easily look over the fact that DS can replicate Gamora's hand to hand and with greater effect becuz he's FASTER AND STRONGER.

Originally posted by quanchi112

I cannot believe you are using Batman here. Batman with this amp did nothing special to warrant him being an actual threat to Superman let alone someone like Thanos or Darkseid.
You miss the point. Batman had a special suit that had allowed him to be as effective on the mission team as everyone else. He was in the company of Barda, Superman, and Wonder Woman. Up until that point, He had sustained not an injury. Batman has evaded Superman's blows before. And yet amped with a special suit, And a MOTHER BOX, he got owned in hand to hand. DS bitched him with speed and skill.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now the fun begins quan. First of all, Mr. Miracle himself says that they are alternate Realities. And We know DS can create alternate realities. Guess where the story is taking place? In a black hole, on a planet, with billions of people, all created by Darkside. DS also has used his reality maniplulation powers in Firestorm, which is why I argued to have everything until the end included. He reached right into the RED or Firestorm matrix and pulled the professor out. That is a reality manip feat of the highest order.

Now, We get to superman. You like to use Superman to bring down DS. Yet every other being that is in Superman's class gets bitched By DS. Even Superman himself has far more embarrassing moments against DS than DS has with Superman. Superman gets outright owned, While DS has to have plot devices or simple stupid writers to get pwned. I have posted far too many scans of Superman getting his ass handed to him for you to ignore it. I have already shown you the scan of Thanos being able to resist reality warping.

Superman has defeated darkseid by plot devices but also without one. Calling a writer stupid isnt a valid point. We can only go on what each character has done through canon panel evidence. Your personal feelings about something that has happpened over and over again means nothing here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok let me first again go back to Foundations here.

All these three scans show is that they pushed Ds back without him doing anything at all to significantly damage any of the Legion that drove him back. They didnt want to injure him but only wanted him back to his proper place and proper time. It wasnt their goal to him. What injuries did you see on the Legion members that drove him back?

The second scan was Darkseid defeating someone who was under Darkseid. He defeated someone who had received a power up but was given his true power in the first place by Darkseid himself. He was never more powerful than Darkseid. So him defeating on of his elite here does not stand out in the slightest.

Oh with raker I will definitely clear things up later. You are not getting off that easy.


You'd be wise to try and prove Thanos ability to beat DS. So far, Thanos is looking like he's going to get his ass kicked. And I haven't even begun to list the many ways DS can do it and Thanos can do NOTHING ABOUT IT. I'll save that for my summation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have already shown you the scan of Thanos being able to resist reality warping.

Superman has defeated darkseid by plot devices but also without one. Calling a writer stupid isnt a valid point. We can only go on what each character has done through canon panel evidence. Your personal feelings about something that has happpened over and over again means nothing here.

OH quan. I've posted so many scans of DS bitching Superman. I've debunked one of the "defeats" by showing DS injuring himself and superman getting a sun amp. So now it's up to you to show us Superman beating DS over and over. Where are all these mysterious defeats youlike to bring up. And even if you can produce more than one, Superman is a special being whom i've already shown that is able to perform skyfather lvl feats. The case with Superman is covered. I've closed all the loop holes and left no room for doubt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No you missed the point. They DIDNT want to injure Darkseid and he didnt injure them in return. No one was injured. So while ds wanted to injure these beings for driving him back to where he came from the Legion just wanted him back. Ds wanted to injure them and failed while the Legion wanted him through the portal. They succeeded while Darkseid failed.

Also note nver that they went back in time to save the younger ds from being destroyed by the timestream.

I take it you dont' understand story element. We've seen DS kill or severly injure too many beings stronger than the legiont o think he was incapable of such.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, I've already shown that Superman can accomplish skyfather lvl feats. You yourself just said that Superman can accomplish what even daxamites cannot. And Monel has some uber feats of his own. We also know that Doomsday is a beast. He also blind sided DS from behind, After he recieved a nice amp via the omega beams.


The silver surfer never uses his speed in a one on one as does Superman or even DS for that matter. The point is moot. We have almost no examples of surfer doing any kind of tacticle speed blitzing. I also want you to realize that DS is more powerful than anyone that Thanos has faced who would use Superspeed. It's not that Thanos can't take speed alone. We know he can. But show me Thanos taking The speed of DS with the POWER and STRENGTH of DS.



One reason DS doesn't use those skills is becuz he doesn't have to. He has a planet full of warriors. He's also said out of his own mouth that he let's others fight becuz he likes to corrupt them. You also miss the point about Gamora, she was evading his attacks and drew blood. DS is easily faster than her, and was shown using uber agility. Now DS is also far stronger than Gamora. So one can't just easily look over the fact that DS can replicate Gamora's hand to hand and with greater effect becuz he's FASTER AND STRONGER.


You miss the point. Batman had a special suit that had allowed him to be as effective on the mission team as everyone else. He was in the company of Barda, Superman, and Wonder Woman. Up until that point, He had sustained not an injury. Batman has evaded Superman's blows before. And yet amped with a special suit, And a MOTHER BOX, he got owned in hand to hand. DS bitched him with speed and skill. Superman can accomplish high end feats. In the Batman and Superman arc we not only saw Ds get out thought by Batman once he did it twice. They baited Ds into attacking Superman. He lost. Plain and simple and amped himself up because Darkseid failed to stop him. He physically couldnt stop Superman from flying him to the sun and later on to the Sourcewall.

Again with saying tha Thanos hasnt faced someone with Ds speed and power all rolled int one you are right he hasnt faced Darkseid. But you have failed to show me ONE SINGLE SCAN corroborating this theory of yours. If you can back up a theory with one scan backing up what you say ALL you have is SPECULATION.

You are partially right about Ds not having to use his skills that often. He has a vast planet of resources and warrior backing him up. Very few beings have the opportunity to face Ds one on one. He usually doesnt put himself in a position to get beat by uber beings. When Doomsday took him on he had to go through a lot of Ds troops and resources on Apokolips. In the Batman story arc they had to find Darkseid. They foolishly tricked him int stalking Superman without a planet of allies at his side and you saw the result.

Ds isnt known around his universe as being one of the greatest and highly skilled fighters like Gamora. When Ds was showing off his martial arts skills he did nothing to prove he was superior to Orion. Sure he threw the fight but who says he could have won it in this battle of quickness. Gamora has the reputation and wasnt engaging Thanos for real. He wasnt threatened by her and hasnt lost to her in a serious fight. Moot point.

Yes Batman is a warrior but he in this special suit would lose royally to Ds which he has and to Thanos. Batman couldnt really hurt either one of them so why bring this up.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I take it you dont' understand story element. We've seen DS kill or severly injure too many beings stronger than the legiont o think he was incapable of such. I understood it just fine. I have explained it and dont want to keep stating it over and over. The judges will decide on this. He maybe is capable of killing Legion members but not in this story. In this story they went back in time as he expired and then saved him without him even knowing it without a scratch on them and their mission accomplished.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Here is a scan after his resurrection where Thanos has been upgraded immensely so this is a moot point.

Reality like all other outside influences has a minimal effect on me. Thanos always stays true to himself.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-10.jpg

Again no one has transmuted Thanos into anything after his first death. The reason is because they cant. Thanos can deal with reality warping as this scan has proved.


Please note quan that Thanos is not being attacked with reality warping powers. Someone directing reality warp here is needed to prove that he can resist an attack on him. He resisted casual fluxuations in reality, and yet we see on panel he was still changed. Now how does he reacted to prolonged aimed attacks on him? We have no proof that he could. We know that earlier he got transmuted to stone by warlock's ghost.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You'd be wise to try and prove Thanos ability to beat DS. So far, Thanos is looking like he's going to get his ass kicked. And I haven't even begun to list the many ways DS can do it and Thanos can do NOTHING ABOUT IT. I'll save that for my summation. I still hold my ace cards as I still believe you do as well. So far we have covered one loss to Supes and Doomsday and Thanos one loss to Tyrant. Tyrant>Doomday>Superman.


I have also shown Thanos hang with the likes of Thor with a mega powerup. Thanos defeated Champion and Thor as the both had the power gem. both were excellent warriors. thanos hung with Thor who just previously rocked Dr. Strange,Silver Surfer, and company in my previous scans. Superman got his sun amp with Darkseid right there alongside him. He did nothing to prevent it. Now you have Thanos having to do with Thor already having his power up and doing just fine. See the enormous difference. One won and took all the other had to offer while the other got entombed int the Sourcewall.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Please note quan that Thanos is not being attacked with reality warping powers. Someone directing reality warp here is needed to prove that he can resist an attack on him. He resisted casual fluxuations in reality, and yet we see on panel he was still changed. Now how does he reacted to prolonged aimed attacks on him? We have no proof that he could. We know that earlier he got transmuted to stone by warlock's ghost. Yes by a ghost. Thanos resisted reality and its effect on him after his resurrection. He was upgraded by death and since he hasnt been defeated by transmutation since we can only assume that is simply because he can resist it now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I still hold my ace cards as I still believe you do as well. So far we have covered one loss to Supes and Doomsday and Thanos one loss to Tyrant. Tyrant>Doomday>Superman.


I have also shown Thanos hang with the likes of Thor with a mega powerup. Thanos defeated Champion and Thor as the both had the power gem. both were excellent warriors. thanos hung with Thor who just previously rocked Dr. Strange,Silver Surfer, and company in my previous scans. Superman got his sun amp with Darkseid right there alongside him. He did nothing to prevent it. Now you have Thanos having to do with Thor already having his power up and doing just fine. See the enormous difference. One won and took all the other had to offer while the other got entombed int the Sourcewall.

The tyrant feat is invalid. Thanos has a power up/weapon. Next.
The Thor feat is a good one for Thanos. Highfather>>>>>>>Thor with PG. DS has already bitched highfather and stalemated him. I have already debunked your theory on DS being taken to the source wall. You completely ignored the fact that DS has gravely injured himself and it wasn't superman's power that did it, and that When DS finally got himself together he stopped superman in mid flight, by then it was too late as superman had them damn near on top of the sun. next.

Nver posted some pretty ancient scans so here is mine.

In this scan you see Darkseid fleeing from Orion. Ill describe what this all means after you see the scans themselves.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ng06-66.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ng06-67.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ng06-68.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ng06-69.jpg

Ok what we have just seen here explains a lot of information and further backs up my earlier line of reasoning why so few beings get an actual one on one battle with Darkseid. This was in ancient times when he was written in general at a higher level of power. What does Ds do when his son Orion confronts him. He makes an escape attempt. Orion follows him and doesnt let him get away. Ds then instructs his marksmen to fire on Orion. Ds was shown here running from a weaker character and using his troops to defeat him. Ds wouldnt have done this if he could have defeated him on his own.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The tyrant feat is invalid. Thanos has a power up/weapon. Next.
The Thor feat is a good one for Thanos. Highfather>>>>>>>Thor with PG. DS has already bitched highfather and stalemated him. I have already debunked your theory on DS being taken to the source wall. You completely ignored the fact that DS has gravely injured himself and it wasn't superman's power that did it, and that When DS finally got himself together he stopped superman in mid flight, by then it was too late as superman had them damn near on top of the sun. next. Thanos used it as weapon to hit him with but thats it. Prove that it powered him up.
Ok here we go again with another empty claim. Who has High Father defeated in combat that makes him above Thor in this particular story.?I merely want you to show me some of High Fathers impressive battle wins to establish his superiority over Thor with the power gem here. Could HF defeat Dr. Strannge,Silver Surfer,Drax, and company at once like Thor did?

You havent debunked a thing and the judges will know it. Bottom line is Ds lost in this battle. Things didnt go his way and Superman capitalized on it. There was nothing Ds could do to stop Superman from taking him from earth around the galaxy and then from there to the Sourcewall. End of story.

Since you keep bring up Superman let us look at this mighty being who you seem to think lessons DS.

This is Superman and Zod weakend by a red sun. Please make special note that they are actually destroying the planet with nothing but thier fist.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg


Here we see Superman holding a freaking black hole in the palm of his hand. Those same mighty hands that you like to throw in my face as having beaten DS. I seem to remember a black hole trashing Thanos. Superman's durability>>Thanos????

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg

Again, superman this " Herald lvl being" that you like to try and use to discredit DS, Escapes a DOUBLE black hole, while Thanos couldn't yet handle one.
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

Again Superman's Durability>>>> Thanos's ????

Here we see the power of Superman's heat vision. I brought up a feat earier about how Superman powered an engine the moved a planet SIXTEEN times the size of the earth. Now let's look at how his heat vision compares to Hades
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=466263&pagenumber=5#post9628124

This herald lvl being actually can produce heat hotter than hell and destroy a magically enchanted Ax.

I hate to have to turn this into a superman respect thread, but I have to show just how powerful this being you try and use to discredit DS truly is.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/siphonenergy.jpg
Here we see Superman locking fist with a being who had the powers of magneto, superman, and amped by a 5th dimensional genie.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5190704

Remember how Maggeddon had caused the destuction of all the Old Gods, and the New Gods couldn't beat him either. Look at superman in an absolutely sky father moment destroy the maggeddon war head.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=466263&pagenumber=5#post9628124
I'm beginning to wonder if Thanos has as many impressive feats as Superman. Surely you have to to prove thanos has high end feats like superman's if you hope to suggest Superman's one Victory over DS gives Thanos any hope of victory. You also note that This war head could blink out the galaxy. superman is there taking it's full power and dismantling it. Thanos have any galaxy busting or Galaxy resisting displays?


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/superpunch.jpg
Since you like to show us DS being harmed by Superman, let's look at what Superman does to the multiversal being known as Dominus with just his fist. Has Thanos ever knocked a multiversal being down?

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=162be.jpg
Here superman rocks the lord of Chaos. Again I say, When has thanos shown such power? You want to use Superman as a reason to give Thanos a victory, when I have shown that Superman is clearly more impressive than THANOS on the high end of things, And yet, DS has still bitched Superman all but one time without the aid of PIS or CIS. Now bring it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos used it as weapon to hit him with but thats it. Prove that it powered him up.
Ok here we go again with another empty claim. Who has High Father defeated in combat that makes him above Thor in this particular story.?I merely want you to show me some of High Fathers impressive battle wins to establish his superiority over Thor with the power gem here. Could HF defeat Dr. Strannge,Silver Surfer,Drax, and company at once like Thor did?

You havent debunked a thing and the judges will know it. Bottom line is Ds lost in this battle. Things didnt go his way and Superman capitalized on it. There was nothing Ds could do to stop Superman from taking him from earth around the galaxy and then from there to the Sourcewall. End of story.

You are grasping Quan. Highfather is so powerful, no one dare challenge him in battle save DS. Highfather has also merged 4 other skyfathers into one being of his own power. High father also ripped a freaking hole in Reality/Time/Space. Thor with the PG never showed such ability. niether has Thanos. You will have to do better. Eternity doesn't have any uber defeats of beings and yet we know he would pwn pretty much anyone. Just from his displays of power. Also, You really have no case on the superman throwing DS into the source wall thing. I've already proven how powerful Superman is and I've already proven that DS injured himself. You aren't showing us how Superman got the victory of his own Power. he may have taken advantage of the situation, but he didn't out power DS of his own merit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nver posted some pretty ancient scans so here is mine.

In this scan you see Darkseid fleeing from Orion. Ill describe what this all means after you see the scans themselves.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ng06-66.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ng06-67.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ng06-68.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ng06-69.jpg

Ok what we have just seen here explains a lot of information and further backs up my earlier line of reasoning why so few beings get an actual one on one battle with Darkseid. This was in ancient times when he was written in general at a higher level of power. What does Ds do when his son Orion confronts him. He makes an escape attempt. Orion follows him and doesnt let him get away. Ds then instructs his marksmen to fire on Orion. Ds was shown here running from a weaker character and using his troops to defeat him. Ds wouldnt have done this if he could have defeated him on his own.

I'd wager DS ran from Orion due to the prophecy that was fortold.

This is the first part of a two post that will shed some light here on two fights that ended with no real winner.

The first inconclusive fight features Thanos. Thanos battles with Odin in Asgard.

Here are the scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-21.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-23.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-24.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-26.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-27.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-28.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-29-30.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-31.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-32.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-33.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-34.jpg


Here you have seen Thanos take all kinds of punishment from a character this powerful indeed in his own right. Thanos did not yield.Keep this in mind for later judges. Please make anote here that Thanos didnt submit or yield when he was in fact losing here. Thanos didnt come there to confront Odin either but he fought him anyways mainly because Odin thought that Thanos wasnt to be trusted. Thanos took everything he had to offer and showed us that he can take loads and loads of punishment from Odin. Durability indeed. We all know how powerful he is. Now while Thanos was losing this wasnt a victory for Odin because the fight was stopped right here..

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-35.jpg

Now here comes Darkseid's unfinished fight in the very next post.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is the first part of a two post that will shed some light here on two fights that ended with no real winner.

The first inconclusive fight features Thanos. Thanos battles with Odin in Asgard.

Here are the scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-21.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-23.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-24.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-26.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-27.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-28.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-29-30.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-31.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-32.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-33.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-34.jpg


Here you have seen Thanos take all kinds of punishment from a character this powerful indeed in his own right. Thanos did not yield.Keep this in mind for later judges. Please make anote here that Thanos didnt submit or yield when he was in fact losing here. Thanos didnt come there to confront Odin either but he fought him anyways mainly because Odin thought that Thanos wasnt to be trusted. Thanos took everything he had to offer and showed us that he can take loads and loads of punishment from Odin. Durability indeed. We all know how powerful he is. Now while Thanos was losing this wasnt a victory for Odin because the fight was stopped right here..

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-35.jpg

Now here comes Darkseid's unfinished fight in the very next post.
Tho this battle is yet impressive, You can clearly see thanos stumbling while Odin takes not a scratch. Thanos also is knocked back while Odin stands as if he's just walking on the beach. Odin isn't even in a battle stance. And then to top it off, Thanos was never even remotely having a chance of injuring odin. And we know Odin can be unjured. Then Odin ask Thanos if he would stand down. YOu aren't realizing that they battle was bringing down asgard. Odin was holding back as it was or he risk destroying his home to destroy thanos. I dont' knwo about you, but I'm not fighting anyone in my crib. I like my stuff. LOL. Just like Odin likes his stuff. To put it midly, Thanos doesn't have what it takes to put down any sky father lvl beings. The best he can do is take the punishment for a while.

Now the second part of this post.

This features Darkseid and his battle with the green lantern known as Raker.

The scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg55.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg56.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg57.jpg


Ok lets make note of the differences in these two fights. Ok in the Thanos battle he was there to bring Thor to his father Odin and was attacked without provocation. Now in contrast we have the Darkseid battle. There was a war going on against green lanterns. Meaning they were both there to kill the other.

Thanos took a lot of more punishment than Darkseid took in his fight. Thanos stood under his own power. Also note that Odin was shocked during the fight that Thanos did in fact live. Meaning he was intending on killing him. He thought he did once, he was wrong and underestimated the titan as nverbeenwthagirl is doing in this very debate.

Darkseid was stabbed and taken up into the air only to be rained down on the ground after his green lantern blocked his omega beams from even being brought into play here. He had a shovel to his face and the Guardians showed up and offered a truce.

Again I am using scans to back up my theories. Ds didnt land one blow in. He was on his back and did nothing of the sort to suggest he would have won this fight. Ds didnt lose just as Thanos because both fights ended without an actual winner.

Odin is much greater than Raker and Thanos stood under his own power while a third party stopped the fight while Ds has failed to even mount an offensive strike against Raker before the third party stopped this battle.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'd wager DS ran from Orion due to the prophecy that was fortold. Fact is he ran from him and you cannot change this. He ran from his father as I have shown you earlier and here he ran from his son and had help to defeat him.

The proof is always in the scans my friend.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Since you keep bring up Superman let us look at this mighty being who you seem to think lessons DS.

This is Superman and Zod weakend by a red sun. Please make special note that they are actually destroying the planet with nothing but thier fist.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg


Here we see Superman holding a freaking black hole in the palm of his hand. Those same mighty hands that you like to throw in my face as having beaten DS. I seem to remember a black hole trashing Thanos. Superman's durability>>Thanos????

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg

Again, superman this " Herald lvl being" that you like to try and use to discredit DS, Escapes a DOUBLE black hole, while Thanos couldn't yet handle one.
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

Again Superman's Durability>>>> Thanos's ????

Here we see the power of Superman's heat vision. I brought up a feat earier about how Superman powered an engine the moved a planet SIXTEEN times the size of the earth. Now let's look at how his heat vision compares to Hades
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=466263&pagenumber=5#post9628124

This herald lvl being actually can produce heat hotter than hell and destroy a magically enchanted Ax.

I hate to have to turn this into a superman respect thread, but I have to show just how powerful this being you try and use to discredit DS truly is.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/siphonenergy.jpg
Here we see Superman locking fist with a being who had the powers of magneto, superman, and amped by a 5th dimensional genie.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5190704

Remember how Maggeddon had caused the destuction of all the Old Gods, and the New Gods couldn't beat him either. Look at superman in an absolutely sky father moment destroy the maggeddon war head.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=466263&pagenumber=5#post9628124
I'm beginning to wonder if Thanos has as many impressive feats as Superman. Surely you have to to prove thanos has high end feats like superman's if you hope to suggest Superman's one Victory over DS gives Thanos any hope of victory. You also note that This war head could blink out the galaxy. superman is there taking it's full power and dismantling it. Thanos have any galaxy busting or Galaxy resisting displays?


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/superpunch.jpg
Since you like to show us DS being harmed by Superman, let's look at what Superman does to the multiversal being known as Dominus with just his fist. Has Thanos ever knocked a multiversal being down?

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=162be.jpg
Here superman rocks the lord of Chaos. Again I say, When has thanos shown such power? You want to use Superman as a reason to give Thanos a victory, when I have shown that Superman is clearly more impressive than THANOS on the high end of things, And yet, DS has still bitched Superman all but one time without the aid of PIS or CIS. Now bring it.

Sorry just checked the scan of superman holding black hole. this is the correct one.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Tho this battle is yet impressive, You can clearly see thanos stumbling while Odin takes not a scratch. Thanos also is knocked back while Odin stands as if he's just walking on the beach. Odin isn't even in a battle stance. And then to top it off, Thanos was never even remotely having a chance of injuring odin. And we know Odin can be unjured. Then Odin ask Thanos if he would stand down. YOu aren't realizing that they battle was bringing down asgard. Odin was holding back as it was or he risk destroying his home to destroy thanos. I dont' knwo about you, but I'm not fighting anyone in my crib. I like my stuff. LOL. Just like Odin likes his stuff. To put it midly, Thanos doesn't have what it takes to put down any sky father lvl beings. The best he can do is take the punishment for a while. The point is this shows you how very impressive Thanos durability is. Raker a being who would be bitchslapped by Thanos as he isnt even superior to the Silver Surfer. Yet he managed to rock Ds without him countering one thing he did. I also 100 percent believe that Odin>>Darkseid. No doubt in my mind. We arent here to debate that though. Again all skyfathers are not equal.

I responded to why i think that Odin wasnt holding back in my second parter to my original post here.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Sorry just checked the scan of superman holding black hole. this is the correct one.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg Again Superman and Thor are both capable of high feats and both have low feats.

Supes has defeated Darkseid while Thor hasnt beaten the real Thanos once.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Superman and Thor are both capable of high feats and both have low feats.

Supes has defeated Darkseid while Thor hasnt beaten the real Thanos once.
Superman's Feats>>>>Thor's. And Superman has beaten DS one time. Kinda evens it out dont ya think.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now the second part of this post.

This features Darkseid and his battle with the green lantern known as Raker.

The scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg55.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg56.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg57.jpg


Ok lets make note of the differences in these two fights. Ok in the Thanos battle he was there to bring Thor to his father Odin and was attacked without provocation. Now in contrast we have the Darkseid battle. There was a war going on against green lanterns. Meaning they were both there to kill the other.

Thanos took a lot of more punishment than Darkseid took in his fight. Thanos stood under his own power. Also note that Odin was shocked during the fight that Thanos did in fact live. Meaning he was intending on killing him. He thought he did once, he was wrong and underestimated the titan as nverbeenwthagirl is doing in this very debate.

Darkseid was stabbed and taken up into the air only to be rained down on the ground after his green lantern blocked his omega beams from even being brought into play here. He had a shovel to his face and the Guardians showed up and offered a truce.

Again I am using scans to back up my theories. Ds didnt land one blow in. He was on his back and did nothing of the sort to suggest he would have won this fight. Ds didnt lose just as Thanos because both fights ended without an actual winner.

Odin is much greater than Raker and Thanos stood under his own power while a third party stopped the fight while Ds has failed to even mount an offensive strike against Raker before the third party stopped this battle.
NO where in thier battle is DS injured at all in the slightest. Also, Quan you seem to forget that DS has had several power ups since then via killing and absorbing pantheon's of Gods. DS had a shovel in the face and that means what? that Raker was desperate. Did the shovel actually harm DS? No. Oh one more thing Quan, why exactly was Raker using a shovel and other weapons in the first place? I know the answer, do you.

Here's a hint. DS had destroyed his ring. :P

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO where in thier battle is DS injured at all in the slightest. Also, Quan you seem to forget that DS has had several power ups since then via killing and absorbing pantheon's of Gods. DS had a shovel in the face and that means what? that Raker was desperate. Did the shovel actually harm DS? No. I cant figure out what fight you are looking at here. How can you say that Raker was desperate when failed to even land a blow. Really how can you make the claim Ds had several powerups since then but disregard this when addressing Adam's ghost turning Thanos into stone. Sounds like a double standard to me. Thanos was upgraded as well. This green lantern humbled Ds plain and simple. A green lantern humbles ds. we will let the judges decide how much weight these scans hold.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman's Feats>>>>Thor's. And Superman has beaten DS one time. Kinda evens it out dont ya think. One time. Ill prove you wrong there as we have already seen Superman beat Ds once. That is for later.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I cant figure out what fight you are looking at here. How can you say that Raker was desperate when failed to even land a blow. Really how can you make the claim Ds had several powerups since then but disregard this when addressing Adam's ghost turning Thanos into stone. Sounds like a double standard to me. This green lantern humbled Ds plain and simple. A green lantern humbles ds. we will let the judges decide how much weight these scans hold.

Actually You missed what I was saying about thanos and his transformation. At a weaker stage in his career, warlock, a weaker being was able to transmute him.

Darksied is much more powerful than Warlock and has shown far greater reality manip. So this is what I was trying to say.

Warlock's Reality Manip>Weaker Thanos
Darksieds Reality Manip>>>>>>>>>>Warlock
Current Thanos>>Warlocks Reality Manip
Darkseid's Reality Manip>>>Current Thanos

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO where in thier battle is DS injured at all in the slightest. Also, Quan you seem to forget that DS has had several power ups since then via killing and absorbing pantheon's of Gods. DS had a shovel in the face and that means what? that Raker was desperate. Did the shovel actually harm DS? No. Oh one more thing Quan, why exactly was Raker using a shovel and other weapons in the first place? I know the answer, do you.

Here's a hint. DS had destroyed his ring. :P Yes he destroyed his ring the first time the met. Raker didnt know who he was or how powerful he was. He proved that he didnt make that same mistake the second time they met, now did he? The second meeting of these two beings was as different as night is to day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One time. Ill prove you wrong there as we have already seen Superman beat Ds once. That is for later.

You haven't shown us Superman beating DS once under his own merit yet. I'm sure you will show apok now. that is the one time i'm referring to. I've already shattered any hope you have of trying to use any other "victories" of superman. And since I've shown that superman has better feats than Thanos, It doesn't really matter does it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes he destroyed his ring the first time the met. Raker didnt know who he was or how powerful he was. He proved that he didnt make that same mistake the second time they met, now did he? The second meeting of these two beings was as different as night is to day.

And yet, The guardians didn't want a war with DS and we also know that DS threw that fight becuz he wanted to spare Raker for his own means. Oh you didn't know that did you? I'm betting you did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is this shows you how very impressive Thanos durability is. Raker a being who would be bitchslapped by Thanos as he isnt even superior to the Silver Surfer. Yet he managed to rock Ds without him countering one thing he did. I also 100 percent believe that Odin>>Darkseid. No doubt in my mind. We arent here to debate that though. Again all skyfathers are not equal.

I responded to why i think that Odin wasnt holding back in my second parter to my original post here.

Show me Odin creating some alternate realities, Or Collapsing a fifth of a reality, or Holding back half of a megaversal omniversal destructible being like the ALE. Or hurting the LT. Or Huring abraxas even with aid. Odin and all the other skyfather couldn't even hurt the celestial. And that was with all thier power. enough to throw the planet out of obrit. LMAO.

DS on the other hand, has Reality creating feats, Reality Altering Feats, Has faced Serveral multiversal, megaversal, and even an omniversal being before. He's also stalemated Highfather. He is as premier a skyfather as you can get. Nuff said. Thanos faces marvel's premier skyfather who was basically toying with him. And you realize that Odin beat surtur. Surtur>>>>>>>Thanos. As I said before, Odin was holding back. It's very obvious as he aske Thanos if he would yeild. For goodness sake they were tearing up his house!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually You missed what I was saying about thanos and his transformation. At a weaker stage in his career, warlock, a weaker being was able to transmute him.

Darksied is much more powerful than Warlock and has shown far greater reality manip. So this is what I was trying to say.

Warlock's Reality Manip>Weaker Thanos
Darksieds Reality Manip>>>>>>>>>>Warlock
Current Thanos>>Warlocks Reality Manip
Darkseid's Reality Manip>>>Current Thanos At weaker time in Ds career a green lantern was able to temporarily best him.

Again I have already stated my opinion on this matter. This hasnt happened to Thanos yet after his resurrection. So you assuming this could happen to him after he had been immensely powered up is speculation. So there goes you whole greater than or less than theory you had going on.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You haven't shown us Superman beating DS once under his own merit yet. I'm sure you will show apok now. that is the one time i'm referring to. I've already shattered any hope you have of trying to use any other "victories" of superman. And since I've shown that superman has better feats than Thanos, It doesn't really matter does it? Superman doesnt have better feats than Thanos under his normal power. Again no one on Superman's level has beaten Thanos. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
At weaker time in Ds career a green lantern was able to temporarily best him.

Again I have already stated my opinion on this matter. This hasnt happened to Thanos yet after his resurrection. So you assuming this could happen to him after he had been immensely powered up is speculation. So there goes you whole greater than or less than thoery you had going on.

I didn't see any green lantern injure DS or best him? Did you? Show me please DS injured or bested.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet, The guardians didn't want a war with DS and we also know that DS threw that fight becuz he wanted to spare Raker for his own means. Oh you didn't know that did you? I'm betting you did. Show the scan where Ds states that he personally lost the fight to Raker. Ds cant see into the future and didnt know the Guardians were going to show up when they did. Again please provide proof to back up your claim that Ds intentionally let him shoot him and drive him into the ground.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman doesnt have better feats than Thanos under his normal power. Again no one on Superman's level has beaten Thanos. Plain and simple.
That is becuz Thanos doesn't fight anyone on Superman's lvl. Not uber superman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I didn't see any green lantern injure DS or best him? Did you? Show me please DS injured or bested. So Ds wasnt injured. And the shot didnt matter right. And him driving him into the ground felt good as well.

How did Ds injure raker here? Where is that scan that confimrs Ds saying that he threw the fight. Why wouldnt he jus beat him down and take him in as a prisoner. Would he rather fool him and let him think he was winning knowing full well the key moment when the gurdians were going to show up and stop the fight.


I also said temporarily as he did. Ds didnt land one blow. Not one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is becuz Thanos doesn't fight anyone on Superman's lvl. Not uber superman. Is this uber Superman the one who fights Darkseid. I did not know that he changed and became uber when he meet Ds head on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Show the scan where Ds states that he personally lost the fight to Raker. Ds cant see into the future and didnt know the Guardians were going to show up when they did. Again please provide proof to back up your claim that Ds intentionally let him shoot him and drive him into the ground.
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lantern7uj.jpg

pwned. DS totally says to Raker that he let him live. For his own purposes.
Oh and just to make sure it stings so good
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lantern12bl.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
Is this uber Superman the one who fights Darkseid. I did not know that he changed and became uber when he meet Ds head on.

I've already shown superman being handled By DS many times. And with great ease. I've already shown DS beating other beings who operate around Superman's normal power lvls. I've already shown DS harming himself and giving Superman time for a sun amp. What more do you want? I've also shown that No other top tier in the history of comics has performed the feats that superman has. I've also given proof that Superman's durability may be better than Thanos's. Superman is thus rendered null and void. Take your pick. To date he only has one victory over DS and that would be considered PIS by Forum standards. Or we can look at it as another one of Superman's many uber feats since he can do skyfather lvl feats at the drop of a dime.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lantern7uj.jpg

pwned. DS totally says to Raker that he let him live. For his own purposes.
Oh and just to make sure it stings so good
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lantern12bl.jpg Let me clear this up for you and for all on here. judges note that Ds was referring to after the war was over and when Raker was forsaken by the guardians. He didnt let him live in the actual battle. He allowed him to live afterwards. How is Raker going to defeat Ds and all his troops by himself. I know the scan wouldnt say tha he let him live and survive their battle but meant that he allowed him to survive afterwards as he was held captive on this hellish world where Ds had all the power.

Pwned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Let me clear this up for you and for all on here. judges note that Ds was referring to after the war was over and when Raker was forsaken by the guardians. He didnt let him live in the actual battle. He allowed him to live afterwards. How is Raker going to defeat Ds and all his troops by himself. I know the scan wouldnt say tha he let him live and survive their battle but meant that he allowed him to survive afterwards as he was held captive on this hellish world where Ds had all the power.

Pwned.




UM, Quan, The gaurdians didn't want to fight DS. So what in the world makes you think Raker stood any chance? Especially since He never hurt DS. But DS had hurt him and destroyed his ring. DS let Raker live and he's talking about thier previous encounters as well as the current situation. Do you note how DS is basically talking trash about the guardians and thier green lanterns and how he just kills them. LOL @you. Obviously he did spare Raker for just what had transpired. Read the scans. You sir haven't proven that any herald lvl beings can defeat DS outside of some clause, a superman jobber aura that allows him to knock over multiversal beings, or DS injuring himself. We already see that DS let raker lives and laughs at the guardians for such an attempt. I'd wager you need to focus on beings more powerful. Cuz The herald lvlers aren't looking too good.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I've already shown superman being handled By DS many times. And with great ease. I've already shown DS beating other beings who operate around Superman's normal power lvls. I've already shown DS harming himself and giving Superman time for a sun amp. What more do you want? I've also shown that No other top tier in the history of comics has performed the feats that superman has. I've also given proof that Superman's durability may be better than Thanos's. Superman is thus rendered null and void. Take your pick. To date he only has one victory over DS and that would be considered PIS by Forum standards. Or we can look at it as another one of Superman's many uber feats since he can do skyfather lvl feats at the drop of a dime. Superman's durability is not in the same league as Thanos. Thanos pwns the Silver surfer with ease who is considered by most to be superior to Superman. Thanos crushed one while Superman defeats Darkseid here and there.

Well let us take a look at a stalemate now shall we.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg22.jpg


Now where is Superman's amp in this particular story. This was a stalemate. Superman didnt fly up to the sun here or anything of that nature. The fight stopped when they both learned they were pawns in another villains game. Darkseid was tricked as easily as Superman here. This battle also shows how equal they match up with meeting each other straight up. Kinda makes you wonder doesnt it.

Why cant Darkseid just beat him like he used to be able to do. Why does he need to xheapshot him after he was rescued by him from the Sourcewall? Inquiring minds would like to know. Again what amp did Superman have in this story?

Ds looked bad here in these scans. Out thought yet again and another scan where he failed to beat Superman. Tsk Tsk.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM, Quan, The gaurdians didn't want to fight DS. So what in the world makes you think Raker stood any chance? Especially since He never hurt DS. But DS had hurt him and destroyed his ring. DS let Raker live and he's talking about thier previous encounters as well as the current situation. Do you note how DS is basically talking trash about the guardians and thier green lanterns and how he just kills them. LOL @you. Obviously he did spare Raker for just what had transpired. Read the scans. You sir haven't proven that any herald lvl beings can defeat DS outside of some clause, a superman jobber aura that allows him to knock over multiversal beings, or DS injuring himself. We already see that DS let raker lives and laughs at the guardians for such an attempt. I'd wager you need to focus on beings more powerful. Cuz The herald lvlers aren't looking too good. The guardians gave the ok for Raker to raise an army and for them to engage Darkseid and his army. They implemented the weakness to the color ellow so that they couldn not become more powerful than the gurdians themselves. This is the reason this particular weakness gave Ds the opportunity to seemingly crush his army and exploit this. Even with the weakness though Raker still hurt Ds while Ds did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to Raker.


The first time they met Ds had the upper hand this i cannot argue with. The second time they met Ds didnt leave a scratch on Raker. He spared raker after the fight. Is it your point that Ds let him shoot him in the chest and throw his body to the ground mercilessly. Is this what you are saying?

Again Ds let him live after the guardians had left him and in their first meeting. But not during the actual war when they met on the battlefield.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman's durability is not in the same league as Thanos. Thanos pwns the Silver surfer with ease who is considered by most to be superior to Superman. Thanos crushed one while Superman defeats Darkseid here and there.

Well let us take a look at a stalemate now shall we.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg22.jpg


Now where is Superman's amp in this particular story. This was a stalemate. Superman didnt fly up to the sun here or anything of tha nature. the fight stopped when they both learned they were pawns in another villains game. Darkseid was tricked as easily as Superman here. This battle also shows hoe equal they match up with meeting each other straight up. Kinda makes you wonder doesnt it.

Why cant Darkseid just beat him like he used to be able to do. Why does he need to xheapshot him after he was rescued by him from the Sourcewall? Inquiring minds would like to know. Again what amp did Superman have in this story?

Ds looked bad here in these scans. Out thought yet again and another scan where he failed to beat Superman. Tsk Tsk.
First and Foremost, Silver surfer beats superman due to versatility. Not power. If Surfer were to just blast at Superman he would get owned hard. As for your feeble attempt to fool the masses, No one is falling for it. This isn't a stalemate Quan. You realize DS had just spent the majority of his power in helping destroy Imperiex. What is funny is that Severly Depowered from his blast at the Multiversal being, He is still giving Superman as good as he's getting. Nice try tho. superman didn't have any amp, DS had a De amp.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The guardians gave the ok for Raker to raise an army and for them to engage Darkseid and his army. They implemented the weakness to the color ellow so that they couldn not become more powerful than the gurdians themselves. This is the reason this particular weakness gave Ds the opportunity to seemingly crush his army and exploit this. Even with the weakness though Raker still hurt Ds while Ds did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to Raker.


The first time they met Ds had the upper hand this i cannot argue with. The second time they met Ds didnt leave a scratch on Raker. He spared raker after the fight. Is it your point that Ds let him shoot him in the chest and throw his body to the ground mercilessly. Is this what you are saying?

Again Ds let him live after the guardians had left him and in their first meeting. But not during the actual war when they met on the battlefield.

Please show us DS hurt at all. If you want to recall the scan, it actually shows DS rising and eyes glowing about to do Raker in. Nice try tho. Raker never hurt DS at all. Not one scratch. It matters not if DS actually did anything to Raker. Raker was going all out and didn't hurt DS one bit. You can let this one go. I have soundly trashed this attempt.

P.S. This happened in ancient times and DS hadn't absorbed any of the power of the pantheon's he now wields. Feat debunked and inadmissable on two counts.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First and Foremost, Silver surfer beats superman due to versatility. Not power. If Surfer were to just blast at Superman he would get owned hard. As for your feeble attempt to fool the masses, No one is falling for it. This isn't a stalemate Quan. You realize DS had just spent the majority of his power in helping destroy Imperiex. What is funny is that Severly Depowered from his blast at the Multiversal being, He is still giving Superman as good as he's getting. Nice try tho. superman didn't have any amp, DS had a De amp. Silver Surfer doesnt beat Thanos do to his versatility. He bests him every time. There is the difference. Wasnt Superman also fighting Imperiex? When i showed youthe scan of Ds turning chicken and trying to flee from his enraged son I didnt counter with well Orion just had to battle his way onto Apokolips now. You always have excuses for Ds. Fact of the matter Superman stands up to Ds. How many times do you have to see it before you just accept it. Conversely the Silver Surfer and Thor with an amp cannot and have not defeated Thanos.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Please show us DS hurt at all. If you want to recall the scan, it actually shows DS rising and eyes glowing about to do Raker in. Nice try tho. Raker never hurt DS at all. Not one scratch. It matters not if DS actually did anything to Raker. Raker was going all out and didn't hurt DS one bit. You can let this one go. I have soundly trashed this attempt.

P.S. This happened in ancient times and DS hadn't absorbed any of the power of the pantheon's he now wields. Feat debunked and inadmissable on two counts. Look again and note that Ds hada hole in his chest from the gunshot. There was not one thing wrong with Raker. ds didnt land one blow while Raker cut off Ds's chance to omega him with his ring forcefielding his head.

Also note that Thanos being turned into stone happened before a mega permanent powerup and hasnt happened since.

Again look at Ds's chest and look over the scans again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Silver Surfer doesnt beat Thanos do to his versatility. He bests him every time. There is the difference. Wasnt Superman also fighting Imperiex? When i showed youthe scan of Ds turning chicken and trying to flee from his enraged son I didnt counter with well Orion just had to battle his way onto Apokolips now. You always have excuses for Ds. Fact of the matter Superman stands up to Ds. How many times do you have to see it before you just accept it. Conversely the Silver Surfer and Thor with an amp cannot and have not defeated Thanos.

Niether Silver Surfer Nor Thor have Feats that Superman Does. Period. And you are trying to use abc logic here. Some people think Surfer is superior to Superman. Not all. I do not think surfer is more powerful than Superman at ALL. Just more versatile. ALso, Superman had the power of Kismet inside of him. She did all the work, where as DS used his own power. The fight is thus rendered invalid. You aren't showing all of these instances where Superman actually holds a candle to DS without some kind of plot. And superman Still has greater feats than Thor, SilverSurfer and EVEn Thanos.

P.S. If you can show 3 fights with Superman beating DS without some extenuating circumstances, i'll concede that Superman really is more powerful than DS. Oh but I already have shown that Superman can do skyfather lvl things haven't I?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look again and note that Ds hada hole in his chest from the gunshot. There was not one thing wrong with Raker. ds didnt land one blow while Raker cut off Ds's chance to omega him with his ring forcefielding his head. We dont' even see the OE or OB's fire. We also know that another Gl held a big bang with his shield. Raker was the greatest Gl of his age.
Originally posted by quanchi112

Also note that Thanos being turned into stone happened before a mega permanent powerup and hasnt happened since.
Yes and I have already shown that taking into account Thanos's power up, DS is still far superior to Warlock with reality manip. And Warlock was weaker than Thanos. Let's for the sake of argument say that Thanos was the same lvl of power as DS, He would still be subjective to reality warp.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again look at Ds's chest and look over the scans again.

I see a hole in the suit DS is wearing. I dont' see any injuries on DS at all. Did I miss something?

Now once and for all let us discuss the scans that you all knew I was going to bust out here. I will now go over Apokolips now.

This was a standard duel with no powerups involved here. Ds has the day off as well so nver cant use any excuses.

The scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage15.jpg
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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage25.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage26.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage30.jpg


Here is a very important scan. This concludes this fight.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage31-1.jpg

Alright now i want you all to remember back when i posted the Odin battle. This happened at the end of the fight Odin after he already assumed he was dead. Odin asked him if he wanted to yield. Thanos had nothing to gain to press on. It wasnt his intention to battle Odin in the first place. Thanos answers no. He fought longer and took more punishment here than Ds did in this loss i just showed you. Odin oneshotted the Silver Surfer at the start of this battle. Shows you how powerful Odin was here and what kind of insane durability that Thanos has to take this kind of punishment. Also note the fight didnt conclude as it was stopped by a third party.

Darkseid asked for quarter to Superman. Superman although capable of beating him here and there isnt up to Ds's level of power. There was no sunamp or amp of any kind in Superman's favor. We also look to Darkseid's own words as nver did earlier in his first post when Ds made reference to his avatars. He stated that his avatars could not be beat in the physical plane.

Pay attention now as this is very important indeed. Darkseid's own words state here that he was humiliated and defeated by this kryptonian insect. He made no mention of an avatar. He also said that Superman could rule Apokolips if he chose to. Even Darkseid admits how bad this is and doesnt want Superman to tell another living soul. Out of Darkseid's own mouth.

Now we know that Ds was beaten and thrown into the Sourcewall. This was also the real Darkseid because Superman had to come and rescue him. This is another loss on the physical plane.

Let us go to the Hunter and Prey story. Ds called Doomsday. If he were truly unbeatable the worst that could happen was a stalemate right? How could Ds lose in such a onesided way by being utterly decimated and torn apart physically by Doomsday. Superman later had to use a motherbox to save his life and help him restore order on his planet as he kept cyborg busy while Ds fully recovered.

I referenced all of these moments to prove that Ds exaggerated and that scan shouldnt be treated like THE HOLY GOSPEL.
These losses were never specifically retconned and stand as the real Darkseid once and for all.



Nver if you want to see the scan with Darkseid stating that Doomsday is unbeatable i will post it if you want.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now once and for all let us discuss the scans that you all knew I was going to bust out here. I will now go over Apokolips now.

This was a standard duel with no powerups involved here. Ds has the day off as well so nver cant use any excuses.

The scans.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage22.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage25.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage26.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage30.jpg


Here is a very important scan. This concludes this fight.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ApokolipsNowPage31-1.jpg

Alright now i want you all to remember back when i posted the Odin battle. This happened at the end of the fight Odin after he already assumed he was dead. Odin asked him if he wanted to yield. Thanos had nothing to gain to press on. It wasnt his intention to battle Odin in the first place. Thanos answers no. He fought longer and took more punishment here than Ds did in this loss i just showed you. Odin oneshotted the Silver Surfer at the start of this battle. Shows you how powerful Odin was here and what kind of insane durability that Thanos has to take this kind of punishment. Also note the fight didnt conclude as it was stopped by a third party.

Darkseid asked for quarter to Superman. Superman although capable of beating him here and there isnt up to Ds's level of power. There was no sunamp or amp of any kind in Superman's favor. We also look to Darkseid's own words as nver did earlier in his first post when Ds made reference to his avatars. He stated that his avatars could not be beat in the physical plane.

Pay attention now as this is very important indeed. Darkseid's own words state here that he was humiliated and defeated by this kryptonian insect. He made no mention of an avatar. He also said that Superman could rule Apokolips if he chose to. Even Darkseid admits how bad this is and doesnt want Superman to tell another living soul. Out of Darkseid's own mouth.

Now we know that Ds was beaten and thrown into the Sourcewall. This was also the real Darkseid because Superman had to come and rescue him. This is another loss on the physical plane.

Let us go to the Hunter and Prey story. Ds called Doomsday. If he were truly unbeatable the worst that could happen was a stalemate right? How could Ds lose in such a onesided way by being utterly decimated and torn apart physically by Doomsday. Superman later had to use a motherbox to save his life and help him restore order on his planet as he kept cyborg busy while Ds fully recovered.

I referenced all of these moments to prove that Ds exaggerated and that scan shouldnt be treated like THE HOLY GOSPEL.
These losses were never specifically retconned and stand as the real Darkseid once and for all.



Nver if you want to see the scan with Darkseid stating that Doomsday is unbeatable i will post it if you want.

Doomsday is superior to Superman, DS, and Thanos in hand to hand. Thus I do not discount that physically he beat DS. Even tho technically He should have been an insect since He didnt' boom tube to Apok. As far as Apok now goes, Would that be considered PIS since Superman has never before or since repeated that kind of victory? Or would it just be another of the many skyfather feats that Superman has under his belt? We can let the judges decide. In either case, I don't hild it as a low showing for DS when I have posted so many other scans showign DS bitching Top tiers as well as Superman himself.

I must now make some special notes on the dialogue going on in this fight. If one didn't know how to read effectively, one would assume that this is a regular occurence between DS and Superman. Let's look at some things shall we?
First off, DS comments that he has NEVER been beaten. Not even by Orion. This basically retcons all of his previous losses on record as we know He uses avatars and or Desaad impersonates him. In one fell swoop The retcon is solidified. And Superman doesn't disagree.

2nd we have here DS saying that Superman had grown Stronger. So what does that tell you, That Superman who had done all those things in the past was yet and still weaker than any previous encounter that the two had.

3rd, Superman says that Today he's stronger. Meaning in the one instance, He is actually superior to DS. Even then, DS is giving Superman a hard time of it. Superman has NEVER repeated such a feat again. Thus solidifying that this was a one time occurance.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We dont' even see the OE or OB's fire. We also know that another Gl held a big bang with his shield. Raker was the greatest Gl of his age.

Yes and I have already shown that taking into account Thanos's power up, DS is still far superior to Warlock with reality manip. And Warlock was weaker than Thanos. Let's for the sake of argument say that Thanos was the same lvl of power as DS, He would still be subjective to reality warp.



I see a hole in the suit DS is wearing. I dont' see any injuries on DS at all. Did I miss something? Again Ds had a hole on his chest and Raker actually dictated to Ds what happened. Greatest gl or not still has business doing any of this to Darkseid ever. Ds landed not one blow.

Superman is weaker than Darkseid and has never been defeated by reality manipulation. I have already shown you a scan with Thanos stating that he stays true to himself. This proves he survives and can deal this.


Lookey here and see what Thanos can survive.

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Look what Thanos could survive due to his superior willpower. He became Almighty here. Thanos became supreme. Something that no one in the DCU has been able to accomplish.

Here is a scan of Cronus absorbing the power of the Presence.

This scan shows how he adapted to the power change.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2150-31.jpg

The reason i have shown you this scan is to illustrate my point. No one in the DCU has been able to become supreme while Thanos has sustained his existence here. Darkseid has failed basically everytime when has set out for a mega powerup at this kind of level. Cronus here couldnt take on the power of the Presence and went mad. He previously crushed Zeus a skyfather and his whole pantheon with ease. After this battle he became more powerful but wasnt amped until he easily defeated Zeus,Ares, and the rest of his pantheon. It took three religions to basically stop his rampage. He seized the opportunity to obtain ultimate power and he lost his mind.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doomsday is superior to Superman, DS, and Thanos in hand to hand. Thus I do not discount that physically he beat DS. Even tho technically He should have been an insect since He didnt' boom tube to Apok. As far as Apok now goes, Would that be considered PIS since Superman has never before or since repeated that kind of victory? Or would it just be another of the many skyfather feats that Superman has under his belt? We can let the judges decide. In either case, I don't hild it as a low showing for DS when I have posted so many other scans showign DS bitching Top tiers as well as Superman himself. I beg to differ. Doomsday has proven himself to be superior to Darkseid and Superman in hand to hand combat. But they have minds dont they as Doomsday is an unthinking monster. Thanos pawned Champion who couldnt be hurt physically by using his mind and setting Champion up for the big fall. This is what makes Thanos so scary. He is an outright beast in physical combat but also uses his mind to defeat opponents who cannot be bested physically. Darkseid couldnt figure a way to get rid of Doomsday after he went through a lot of Apokoliptan warriors and tech. He had to challenge him in combat to be destroyed in a lopsided brawl.

Supes just has what it takes to beat Darkseid. It is simple. he has stalemated him,thrown him into the Sourcewall, and beat him down one on one in their duel. There is no other way to look at it. Supes can compete with Ds. Give up on the excuses and accept it and move on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Ds had a hole on his chest and Raker actually dictated to Ds what happened. Greatest gl or not still has business doing any of this to Darkseid ever. Ds landed not one blow.

Superman is weaker than Darkseid and has never been defeated by reality manipulation. I have already shown you a scan with Thanos stating that he stays true to himself. This proves he survives and can deal this.


Lookey here and see what Thanos can survive.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend4kebbin08.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend4kebbin09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend4kebbin10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend4kebbin11.jpg


Look what Thanos could survive due to his superior willpower. He became Almighty here. Thanos became supreme. Something that no one in the DCU has been able to accomplish.

Here is a scan of Cronus absorbing the power of the Presence.

This scan shows how he adapted to the power change.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2150-31.jpg

The reason i have shown you this scan is to illustrate my point. No one in the DCU has been able to become supreme while Thanos has sustained his existence here. Darkseid has failed basically everytime when has set out for a mega powerup at this kind of level. Cronus here couldnt take on the power of the Presence and went mad. He previously crushed Zeus a skyfather and his whole pantheon with ease. After this battle he became more powerful but wasnt amped until he easily defeated Zeus,Ares, and the rest of his pantheon. It took three religions to basically stop his rampage. He seized the opportunity to obtain ultimate power and he lost his mind.

Actually Quan Superman was being beaten By Dominus with Reality manip until he used his TVO. He also has been subject to reality manip by the queen of Fables, ect. Plus, I've already shown that Superman's durability is>>Thanos going by the black hole examples.

This thread isn't about will power Quan. this is about a fight. Thanos obtaining the heart of the universe has no bearing on anything since it wasn't the 616 thanos who did it, and It wasn't Thanos' own merit. He was used and manipulated. The Chronos argument holds no wieght here. This isn't Chronos Vs. Thanos is it? At any rate, if you think that The God wave is the power of God then need I remind you that DS held the power of God in check like a fly in amber?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doomsday is superior to Superman, DS, and Thanos in hand to hand. Thus I do not discount that physically he beat DS. Even tho technically He should have been an insect since He didnt' boom tube to Apok. As far as Apok now goes, Would that be considered PIS since Superman has never before or since repeated that kind of victory? Or would it just be another of the many skyfather feats that Superman has under his belt? We can let the judges decide. In either case, I don't hild it as a low showing for DS when I have posted so many other scans showign DS bitching Top tiers as well as Superman himself.

I must now make some special notes on the dialogue going on in this fight. If one didn't know how to read effectively, one would assume that this is a regular occurence between DS and Superman. Let's look at some things shall we?
First off, DS comments that he has NEVER been beaten. Not even by Orion. This basically retcons all of his previous losses on record as we know He uses avatars and or Desaad impersonates him. In one fell swoop The retcon is solidified. And Superman doesn't disagree.

2nd we have here DS saying that Superman had grown Stronger. So what does that tell you, That Superman who had done all those things in the past was yet and still weaker than any previous encounter that the two had.

3rd, Superman says that Today he's stronger. Meaning in the one instance, He is actually superior to DS. Even then, DS is giving Superman a hard time of it. Superman has NEVER repeated such a feat again. Thus solidifying that this was a one time occurance. So since Ds says he has never been beaten this retcons all his losses. I have already shown you that we cant take Darkseid's word alone. How does Superman know Darkseid's entire history? So Superman is like a lie detector right and sensed that he was telling the truth. This was Ds simply trying to intimidate him. We cant just take Ds's word as law can we? I cant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I beg to differ. Doomsday has proven himself to be superior to Darkseid and Superman in hand to hand combat. But they have minds dont they as Doomsday is an unthinking monster. Thanos pawned Champion who couldnt be hurt physically by using his mind and setting Champion up for the big fall. This is what makes Thanos so scary. He is an outright beast in physical combat but also uses his mind to defeat opponents who cannot be bested physically. Darkseid couldnt figure a way to get rid of Doomsday after he went through a lot of Apokoliptan warriors and tech. He had to challenge him in combat to be destroyed in a lopsided brawl.

Supes just has what it takes to beat Darkseid. It is simple. he has stalemated him,thrown him into the Sourcewall, and beat him down one on one in their duel. There is no other way to look at it. Supes can compete with Ds. Give up on the excuses and accept it and move on.

I fail to see the comparison of DD to Champion. Champion even witht he PG is inferior to the Adaptive abilities of Doomsday. Thanos didn't even pwn champion with any power. Please also nnote that thanos knew that he would be over come and his TECH shields had already started to buckle. This is a fight. not a match of wits and coolness. I've already debunked your superman fest. It's done. As done as Thanks giving turkey on friday after. Give up. ALL of the Superman scans you have tried to use have been debunked. And in giving me the scans, you have also proven that DS never lost ANY fight before APOK Now. Thanks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So since Ds says he has never been beaten this retcons all his losses. I have already shown you that we cant take Darkseid's word alone. How does Superman know Darkseid's entire history? So Superman is like a lie detector right and sensed that he was telling the truth. This was Ds simply trying to intimidate him. We cant just take Ds's word as law can we? I cant.

DS doesn't lie. Especially to inferior Beings. I can pull up scans where superman says that he never thought it possible to physically beat DS. On more than one occasion. Which would back up DS statement that he had never lost. Given the fact there there were avatars and desaad in times past, it stands to reason that DS was telling the truth and echoed by Superman's silence. A nod to DS telling the truth. You have been your own undoing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually Quan Superman was being beaten By Dominus with Reality manip until he used his TVO. He also has been subject to reality manip by the queen of Fables, ect. Plus, I've already shown that Superman's durability is>>Thanos going by the black hole examples.

This thread isn't about will power Quan. this is about a fight. Thanos obtaining the heart of the universe has no bearing on anything since it wasn't the 616 thanos who did it, and It wasn't Thanos' own merit. He was used and manipulated. The Chronos argument holds no wieght here. This isn't Chronos Vs. Thanos is it? At any rate, if you think that The God wave is the power of God then need I remind you that DS held the power of God in check like a fly in amber? I didnt use this feat as a way to bring about a Thanos feat. This shows willpower and if you dont think that accounts for anything I have news for you it does. A character with all the power in the world and no willpower isnt the greatest character at all now is he? It shows that Thanos can survive what no other beings could survive.

Ok lets address Darkseid's objectives for a moment with regards to the Godwave.

Another scan.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Genesis4pg14.jpg
This scan shows Ares beating Darkseid to the finish line here. Darkseid was outprepped and it also sheds more light on his incompetency level with other characters. In the Batman and Superman story Batman outmaneuvered Ds mentally twice. Here Ares was a step ahead of Darkseid. Darkseid then did what he knew he had to at the precise moment. Also note that not only did Ares also beat Darkseid to the godwave but that previously in this story he also killed Izaya a being whom Darkseid had been at war with at seeemingly the dawn of time. So in this story Ares did kinda do two objectives that Darkseid failed to accomplish.

Note that he acts at the exact moment when he knows he has to and has help in this story with all these characters working together to stop Ares.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didnt use this feat as a way to bring about a Thanos feat. This shows willpower and if you dont think that accounts for anything I have news for you it does. A character with all the power in the world and no willpower isnt the greatest character at all now is he? It shows that Thanos can survive what no other beings could survive.

Ok lets address Darkseid's objectives for a moment with regards to the Godwave.

Another scan.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Genesis4pg14.jpg
This scan shows Ares beating Darkseid to the finish line here. Darkseid was outprepped and it also sheds more light on his incompetency level with other characters. In the Batman and Superman story Batman outmaneuvered Ds mentally twice. Here Ares was a step ahead of Darkseid. Darkseid then did what he knew he had to at the precise moment. Also note that not only did Ares also beat Darkseid to the godwave but that previously in this story he also killed Izaya a being whom Darkseid had been at war with at seeemingly the dawn of time. So in this story Ares did kinda do two objectives that Darkseid failed to accomplish.

Note that he acts at the exact moment when he knows he has to and has help in this story with all these characters working together to stop Ares.
And yet I have shown DS cosmically manipulating beings via his reality altering chess board. I would like you to also note that Ares is the God of conflict the universe over, he's taken the place of zeus who is part of the quintessence and he's also now taken over Hades power. He's ineffect Two skyfather's in one. I fail to see how You can use ares to try and undermine DS? You can't. You also fail to realize that DS trapped and immobilized the power of GOD according to you. However he came to be in that position is irrelevant. Again, this is not a match up of competancy or Wits. Which DS has plenty of. This is a str8 up power match. And thus far, I've shown that DS has power and strength in spades. Please stop arguing who is the better character and start arguing how Thanos can actually beat DS. So far Thanos looks to be getting his ugly face smashed in.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I fail to see the comparison of DD to Champion. Champion even witht he PG is inferior to the Adaptive abilities of Doomsday. Thanos didn't even pwn champion with any power. Please also nnote that thanos knew that he would be over come and his TECH shields had already started to buckle. This is a fight. not a match of wits and coolness. I've already debunked your superman fest. It's done. As done as Thanks giving turkey on friday after. Give up. ALL of the Superman scans you have tried to use have been debunked. And in giving me the scans, you have also proven that DS never lost ANY fight before APOK Now. Thanks. Your retcon isnt even a retcon at all. The judges will see this and decide if villains stating something officially retcons their entire history.

Why do you think I am trying to prove Thanos is cooler. I am proving Thanos is the better think and the better fighter. Case and point. He fought two beings with the power gem. He hung with them both and defeated them when he wanted to. With regards to Darkseid and Doomsday it is this simple. Ds landed one blow and got physically assaulted to the brink of death. Ds could have used his wits to defeat one creature who terrorized his entire planet. This also furher shows Darkseid's inferior mind. He couldnt think of a way to defeat Doomsday. Doomsda couldnt have a conversation with you let alone think of anything outseide of destroy and surive whatever comes your way. When these characters fight they use their wits and adapt during a battle. I have shown that Thanos adapts and thinks on the fly. He didnt know Thor was coming but just showed up. Darkseid knew Doomsday was there and had time to sit and think of way to beat him. Anything. The best he came up with was one omega shot. Anything else prior to this failed. When Doomsday grabbed Darkseid he didnt land one blow in as I have already shown you. Ds in his earlier days against Raker.

History does indeed repeat itself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your retcon isnt even a retcon at all. The judges will see this and decide if villains stating something officially retcons their entire history.

Why do you think I am trying to prove Thanos is cooler. I am proving Thanos is the better think and the better fighter. Case and point. He fought two beings with the power gem. He hung with them both and defeated them when he wanted to. With regards to Darkseid and Doomsday it is this simple. Ds landed one blow and got physically assaulted to the brink of death. Ds could have used his wits to defeat one creature who terrorized his entire planet. This also furher shows Darkseid's inferior mind. He couldnt think of a way to defeat Doomsday. Doomsda couldnt have a conversation with you let alone think of anything outseide of destroy and surive whatever comes your way. When these characters fight they use their wits and adapt during a battle. I have shown that Thanos adapts and thinks on the fly. He didnt know Thor was coming but just showed up. Darkseid knew Doomsday was there and had time to sit and think of way to beat him. Anything. The best he came up with was one omega shot. Anything else prior to this failed. When Doomsday grabbed Darkseid he didnt land one blow in as I have already shown you. Ds in his earlier days against Raker.

History does indeed repeat itself.

LMAO. DS trapped Ares and He only had less than A second to act. He also trapped the ALE with less than a second to act. So you really think He is incompetant? DS has never loss until Apok now. Since Ares and The ALE entity are both>>>>>>>>>>>>Doomsday, one has to really think hard as to whether DS was indeed tellign the truth. It would seem that DS was telling the truth and that He really hadn't loss. I have already shot down every one of your attempts to demean DS power. They have all failed. And I have given Examples of DS great power, to which Thanos has not a feat in his arsenal to compete with. Now I haven' even begun to list the ways that DS can beat thanos becuz thanos doesn't have the powers to compete.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet I have shown DS cosmically manipulating beings via his reality altering chess board. I would like you to also note that Ares is the God of conflict the universe over, he's taken the place of zeus who is part of the quintessence and he's also now taken over Hades power. He's ineffect Two skyfather's in one. I fail to see how You can use ares to try and undermine DS? You can't. You also fail to realize that DS trapped and immobilized the power of GOD according to you. However he came to be in that position is irrelevant. Again, this is not a match up of competancy or Wits. Which DS has plenty of. This is a str8 up power match. And thus far, I've shown that DS has power and strength in spades. Please stop arguing who is the better character and start arguing how Thanos can actually beat DS. So far Thanos looks to be getting his ugly face smashed in. I have shown you Darkseid losses,incomplete fights to hwere he didnt land a single hit,him backing down from his father,fleeing from his weaker son and you dont want to listen. I will on my next post show why The End is indeed canon.

No this wasnt the power of God. And the only reason this worked is because there was a time when this was possible. Ds knew it. He couldnt halt Ares once he made his ascension so to speak. Cronus absorbed the power of the Presence. It says Presence and doesnt say godwave. I for one think Ares is weaker than Darkseid and High Father. But he still killed High Father and accomplished something that in over thirty years Ds could not accomplish. He beat him once and good as you have shown twenty years agao but Ares delivered the killing blow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have shown you Darkseid losses,incomplete fights to hwere he didnt land a single hit,him backing down from his father,fleeing from his weaker son and you dont want to listen. I will on my next post show why The End is indeed canon.

No this wasnt the power of God. And the only reason this worked is because there was a time when this was possible. Ds knew it. He couldnt halt Ares once he made his ascension so to speak. Cronus absorbed the power of the Presence. It says Presence and doesnt say godwave. I for one think Ares is weaker than Darkseid and High Father. But he still killed High Father and accomplished something that in over thirty years Ds could not accomplish. He beat him once and good as you have shown twenty years agao but Ares delivered the killing blow.

I bore of this thread now. I think i've proven my point. And you keep talking in circles. I have invalidated everything you have said in regards to DS. This doesn't seem like a versus match at all. You have spent more time trying to discredit DS than hyping up Thanos' power. The best we have seen is cool character moments and prep and wits by Thanos. As for Yugah Khan, You might wanna rethink that, becuz Yugah says that DS is the only being who has the power to defeat him. But sons do not kill thier fathers. I take my leave now until my summation tomorrow morning. Good luck.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LMAO. DS trapped Ares and He only had less than A second to act. He also trapped the ALE with less than a second to act. So you really think He is incompetant? DS has never loss until Apok now. Since Ares and The ALE entity are both>>>>>>>>>>>>Doomsday, one has to really think hard as to whether DS was indeed tellign the truth. It would seem that DS was telling the truth and that He really hadn't loss. I have already shot down every one of your attempts to demean DS power. They have all failed. And I have given Examples of DS great power, to which Thanos has not a feat in his arsenal to compete with. Now I haven' even begun to list the ways that DS can beat thanos becuz thanos doesn't have the powers to compete. Ds had to act at the proper time. The only reason he was able to halt it. Yes Ds is incompetent in this story as well. Ares wanted the godwave as did Darkseid but Ares got it. That was Ds goal. He failed meaning he was incompetent.

Ds lost and i have proven it i dont want to restate things over and over again.

Superman can and has defeated Darkseid with all this powers at his disposal. So why cant Thanos who is vastly superior and never once lost to someone like Supeman? Let alone given up and asked for quarter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds had to act at the proper time. The only reason he was able to halt it. Yes Ds is incompetent in this story as well. Ares wanted the godwave as did Darkseid but Ares got it. That was Ds goal. He failed meaning he was incompetent.

Ds lost and i have proven it i dont want to restate things over and over again.

Superman can and has defeated Darkseid with all this powers at his disposal. So why cant Thanos who is vastly superior and never once lost to someone like Supeman? Let alone given up and asked for quarter.

I've already proven that Thanos doesn't have the feats that stack up to superman's. i've also proven that DS says Superman had grown stronger. And superman himself admits that that ONE day he was stronger. Thus validating that DS indeed had NEVER lost before that fight. Since Superman only won one fight, That goes into the catagory of PIS. Thanos stands no chance. Thanos also doesn't have superspeed or agility or skill. To which I have shown DS has spades of. Thanos is clearly out matched. As if DS would engage Thanos in hand to hand anyway. He wouldn't nor would he need to.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I bore of this thread now. I think i've proven my point. And you keep talking in circles. I have invalidated everything you have said in regards to DS. This doesn't seem like a versus match at all. You have spent more time trying to discredit DS than hyping up Thanos' power. The best we have seen is cool character moments and prep and wits by Thanos. As for Yugah Khan, You might wanna rethink that, becuz Yugah says that DS is the only being who has the power to defeat him. But sons do not kill thier fathers. I take my leave now until my summation tomorrow morning. Good luck. I am talking in circles as I am responding to you and your disregard of my proof. You are obsessed with trying to disregard the Superman losses. Let us both remain mum on the issue for a bit on it. We have both said are piece.

I am glad you brought up that sons do not kill their fathers. Ok Darkseid needed Orion to defeat his father Yuga correct? So Orion can overcome the clause but Darkseid cannot. Orion will kill Ds one day and overcome it anyways. Maybe Darkseid isnt strong enough mentally to override this clause while Orion is. And Darkseid doing nothing and being actually fearful of his father has nothing to do with his clause. While Thanos actually confronted Tyrant on his own simply for the challenge aspect of it. I draw parallels here and try to tie things together. You have to because both these characters are from different universes and dont interact with the same characters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am talking in circles as I am responding to you and your disregard of my proof. You are obsessed with trying to disregard the Superman losses. Let us both remain mum on the issue for a bit on it. We have both said are piece.

I am glad you brought up that sons do not kill their fathers. Ok Darkseid needed Orion to defeat his father Yuga correct? So Orion can overcome the clause but Darkseid cannot. Orion will kill Ds one day and overcome it anyways. Maybe Darkseid isnt strong enough mentally to override this clause while Orion is. And Darkseid doing nothing and being actually fearful of his father has nothing to do with his clause. While Thanos actually confronted Tyrant on his own simply for the challenge aspect of it. I draw parallels here and try to tie things together. You have to because both these characters are from different universes and dont interact with the same characters.

Thanos sought out Tyrant for fun. DS didn't seek out Yugah. It's not in his character to go around picking fights with beings he cannot defeat. Even tho technically he is powerful enough. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. DS is a tyrant who seeks to break the will of the universe. Thanos likes to challenge himself and aquire more power. Two completely differnt beings with different motives. And Tyrant had done nothing impressive of his own power. He Beat Galactus with tech and prep. And we know for a fact he didnt' beat galactus at full power becuz he got DEPOWERED. Yugah>>>>>Tyrant.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I've already proven that Thanos doesn't have the feats that stack up to superman's. i've also proven that DS says Superman had grown stronger. And superman himself admits that that ONE day he was stronger. Thus validating that DS indeed had NEVER lost before that fight. Since Superman only won one fight, That goes into the catagory of PIS. Thanos stands no chance. Thanos also doesn't have superspeed or agility or skill. To which I have shown DS has spades of. Thanos is clearly out matched. As if DS would engage Thanos in hand to hand anyway. He wouldn't nor would he need to. Alright this is the last thing on Superman. Him saying that day he was stronger simply mean this. I am not done with Thanos feats yet and he has never lost to anyone on Superman's level. Not one time here and you act as if Superman is superior? How? Thanos is on another level.

I also need proof that your theory adds up. You are specualting and you know it. When has speed coupled with power factor in with any of Thanos losses. You saying that Thanos hasnt met anyone like Ds is just as easily thrown around.

Here let me show you and I have scans that back up my claims. When has Darkseid met anyone on Thanos level with regards to durability and power. He doesnt have durability or the hand to hand power to match Thanos. Here is my evidence that isnt just speculation. He couldnt last more than a few panels with Doomsday. Meaning when he got hit it hurt and really really badly. Thanos did better against Tyrant who clearly had him beat in overall power. The guy was hurting Galactus and also note that Galactus knew he was coming.

So right there you have Thanos actually taking more punishment from Tyrant and leaving on his own. Darkseid passed out and didnt lay a finger on Doomsday. Superman had to save his life. Whereas Thanos took the orb as a trphy from the battle and left on his own accord.

My theories have evidence backing them up while yours are based on your own speculation.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos sought out Tyrant for fun. DS didn't seek out Yugah. It's not in his character to go around picking fights with beings he cannot defeat. Even tho technically he is powerful enough. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. DS is a tyrant who seeks to break the will of the universe. Thanos likes to challenge himself and aquire more power. Two completely differnt beings with different motives. And Tyrant had done nothing impressive of his own power. He Beat Galactus with tech and prep. And we know for a fact he didnt' beat galactus at full power becuz he got DEPOWERED. Yugah>>>>>Tyrant. Please note judges that Galactus knew Tyrant was coming. Galactus fed on a world and was ready for Tyrant. Tyrant simply countered Galactus.

See every fight does not have the same outcome.

Let me show you.

Galactus vs Tyrant the first time...winner Galactus
Galactus vs Tyrant the second time...no winner as the un messed things up but Tyrant was winning.

Darkseid vs Raker the first time....winner Darkseid
Darkseid vs Raker the second time....no winner as the fight was completely different and was stopped due to intereference by the guardians.

Darkseid vs Superman
Ds has won some and Superman has won some with a stalemate in there.

Do you see a pattern here. Every fight has different variables and different circumstances. Just because someone wins their first battle with someone else that does not mean they are superior for all time.

That is why you just cant say that Tyrant cannot defeat Galactus. Every fight is different.

I hope i proved my point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Alright this is the last thing on Superman. Him saying that day he was stronger simply mean this. I am not done with Thanos feats yet and he has never lost to anyone on Superman's level. Not one time here and you act as if Superman is superior? How? Thanos is on another level.

I also need proof that your theory adds up. You are specualting and you know it. When has speed coupled with power factor in with any of Thanos losses. You saying that Thanos hasnt met anyone like Ds is just as easily thrown around.

Here let me show you and I have scans that back up my claims. When has Darkseid met anyone on Thanos level with regards to durability and power. He doesnt have durability or the hand to hand power to match Thanos. Here is my evidence that isnt just speculation. He couldnt last more than a few panels with Doomsday. Meaning when he got hit it hurt and really really badly. Thanos did better against Tyrant who clearly had him beat in overall power. The guy was hurting Galactus and also note that Galactus knew he was coming.

So right there you have Thanos actually taking more punishment from Tyrant and leaving on his own. Darkseid passed out and didnt lay a finger on Doomsday. Superman had to save his life. Whereas Thanos took the orb as a trphy from the battle and left on his own accord.

My theories have evidence backing them up while yours are based on your own speculation.



If that is what you want to call it. Doomsday is Superior in Hand to hand to Thanos, Superman, and DS. And Yet DS did manage to get a knock down, ko, what ever you want to call it. At any rate, DS had never been defeated up until Apok now. Avatar anyone? I tend to think so. The Thanos Tyrant Thing is good and all. But Tyrant hurt big G with tech and prep. And Thanos fought Tyrant with prep and a weapon. DS never even got to face DD in hand to hand. He was blitzed from behind. I have also posted scans showing Superman doing feats that Thanos has never done. So Thanos being superior means the big donut to me. We are done.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Please note judges that Galactus knew Tyrant was coming. Galactus fed on a world and was ready for Tyrant. Tyrant simply countered Galactus.

See every fight does not have the same outcome.

Let me show you.

Galactus vs Tyrant the first time...winner Galactus
Galactus vs Tyrant the second time...no winner as the un messed tjhings up but Tyrant was winning.

Darkseid vs Raker the first time....winner Darkseid
Darkseid vs Raker the second time....no winner as the fight was completely different and was stopped due to intereference by the guardians.

Darkseid vs Superman
Ds has won some and Superman has won some with a stalemate in there.

Do you see a pattern here. Every fight has different variables and different circumstances. Just because someone wins their first battle with someone else that does not mean they are superior for all time.

That is why you just cant say that Tyrant cannot defeat Galactus. Every fight is different.

I hope i proved my point.

Oh have you now?