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It can be a Graphic Novel or just a comic book storyline.

My votes would be for

1. the Dark Knight Returns

2. Infinity Gauntlet

3. Future Imperfect

4. Kingdom Come

5. Ballad of Beta Ray Bill

Anything not including the Death of Superman?

.

Crisis on Infinite Earths
Earth X
Great Darkness Saga
Infinity War
Sinesto Corps

WWH
Civil War
Amazons Attack
Anything Manhunter
Kazar

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Crisis on Infinite Earths

Too much Wonder Woman.

The one With Nightcrawler getting his ass kicked

AOA
Onlsaught
Heroes Reborn
...
...

PlanetHulk
KingdomCome
IG Saga
ZeroHour
52

your lists are worse than mine

Justice should be in there, but the two best are:
Marvels
Kingdom Come

Dark Knight should be in the top five as well, probably the third best.

Originally posted by BentonGrey
Justice should be in there, but the two best are:
Marvels
Kingdom Come

Dark Knight should be in the top five as well, probably the third best.

mavels was that shit too.

Where is the love for Watchmen and The Sandman?

Originally posted by Rorschach
Where is the love for Watchmen and The Sandman?

Watchmen was that shit too. I think they are making a movie. Sandman was brilliant. It transcends a list.

1) Death of Captain Marvel
2) Thanos Quest
3) The Dark Knight Returns
4) Infinite Crisis
5) Planet Hulk

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
1) Death of Captain Marvel
2) Thanos Quest
3) The Dark Knight Returns
4) Infinite Crisis
5) Planet Hulk

I just know you didn't put infinite crisis as a best story of all time. No SIR.

Watchmen tops most of what's been said.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I just know you didn't put infinite crisis as a best story of all time. No SIR.

Why i really enjoyed that comic run...

So far, in no particular order yet, it looks like-

1. Watchmen (definitely not one of my favorites)
2. Thanos Quest
3. Dark Knight Returns
4. Marvels
5. Kingdom Come

I am not including Planet Hulk because I am smart.

Alex Ross Zorro. Lone Wolf and Cub. Seven Soldiers. Silver Surfer Requiem.

and COIE.

Kingdom Come
IG saga
Sandman "season of the mist"
Lucifer "Morningstar"
Dark Phoenix saga


Lets not forget
AOA
House of M
Infinite Crisis
They come close

Neither House of M or Infinite Crisis should be anywhere near this list.

I can't believe I forgot about the Watchmen...as far as technical, literary, and overall artistic value, undoubtedly the best...although Kingdom Come is very close.

Originally posted by BentonGrey
Neither House of M or Infinite Crisis should be anywhere near this list.

Onslaught sucked - just for the record.

Sucked HARD.

And....the story in Silver Surfer: Requiem WAS beautiful - props for putting it up there, but I thought we were focusing more on the wide-events?

Yes, "wide events". I am talking about dedicated Graphic Novels, or titled storylines from the regular comic books. No one-shotters.

I really thought I would hear more people digging the
Dark Knight Returns story.

OOOOHHHHHH!!! I forgot one...

Emerald Twilight. Hal Jordan. Awesome.

Elementals, Shadowspear story, with Lord Saker, was also very cool, for you Old School readers that read stuff from the '80's.

And, yes, Onslaught was one of the storylines that made me sad to be a comic book guy.

Originally posted by Soljer
Onslaught sucked - just for the record.

Sucked HARD.

And....the story in Silver Surfer: Requiem WAS beautiful - props for putting it up there, but I thought we were focusing more on the wide-events?

Story-wise, COIE was the only one of my choices that would qualify under those stips.

And I felt Requiem had to be there. It moved me to tears. cry

I'm gonna have to check out Requiem. It sounds quality.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm gonna have to check out Requiem. It sounds quality.

Four of the best issues I've ever read in my life.

They were good.

Watchmen (greatest writing ever imo) in a class of it's own.

No particular order:

Marvels
Earth X
Requiem
Kingdom Come
IG saga

The Killing Joke
Infinity Gauntlet
Watchmen
Future Imperfect
Dark Knight returns

- I saw people listing 'Civil War', 'Zero Hour', and 'World War Hulk',,,,,,are you serious? All three stories sucked.

Originally posted by tkitna
The Killing Joke
Infinity Gauntlet
Watchmen
Future Imperfect
Dark Knight returns

- I saw people listing 'Civil War', 'Zero Hour', and 'World War Hulk',,,,,,are you serious? All three stories sucked.

I disagree, "Civil War" rocked and showed Marvel has balls


5)Spider-man Death of Gwen Stacey
4)Dark Phoenix Saga
3)Daredevil: Guardian Devil
2)Ultimates vol 1 & 2
1)Secret Wars vol 1

These are what I would recommend, but if you are asking for what to buy, the best bet is to flick through some trades in the store and get what catches your eye the most My top five favourite are Marvel comics by coincidence, there's tons of DC stuff I love

These are the big comic events that I read:

Death of Superman
Knightfall
Maximum Carnage
Infinity Gauntlet
Onslaught Saga

ig saga
secret wars 1
watchmen
coie
annihilation(i enjoyed it)

Originally posted by masterbruce
These are the big comic events that I read:

Death of Superman
Knightfall
Maximum Carnage
Infinity Gauntlet
Onslaught Saga
Maximum Carnage? Good heavens.

Originally posted by Validus
Maximum Carnage? Good heavens. it was good back then...you got spiderman, carnage, and venom....hard to screw that combination up

Wasn't too hard apparently because Maximum Carnage was god awful.

Originally posted by Validus
Wasn't too hard apparently because Maximum Carnage was god awful. was it god awful when you first read it or just now in retrospect? I thought it was good back then

Originally posted by masterbruce
was it god awful when you first read it or just now in retrospect? I thought it was good back then
It was never even half way decent. Maximum Carnage makes House of M look like Watchmen.

Originally posted by Validus
It was never even half way decent. Maximum Carnage makes House of M look like Watchmen. so you had the same standards on comics when you were 12 as you are currently?

when you're younger, the complexity of plot matters much less

Mine are in no specific order:

IG Saga
Annihilation
Avengers Disassembled
Green Lantern Rebirth
Day of Vengeance

Originally posted by masterbruce
so you had the same standards on comics when you were 12 as you are currently?

when you're younger, the complexity of plot matters much less
So being 12 years old means I'm supposed to have bad taste?

Originally posted by nimbus006
Avengers Disassembled


I'm not the only one who liked that arc

I liked it alot . Not as much as the rest of the ones i posted, but i liked it alot. Intense and emotional story arc. Infact i would include the first couple of issues of New Avengers in there. The rest of New Avengers not so good.

In no particular order...


Miracleman
Secret Wars I
GDS
Dr. Solar, MOTA (Gold Key/Valiant)
IG Saga
V for Vendetta
Morrison's run on Animal Man
DOS
Thor: Disassembled
COIE
DC One Million
House of M
IC

Infinity gauntlet
Age of Apocalypse
Green Lantern Rebirth
Silver Surfer - The Herald Ordeal
Secret Wars

Just off the top of my head, no particular order, i also liked D.O.S and reign of superman, Ion, Onslaught...o well there is alot when your 36 years old hehe

Originally posted by willRules
I disagree, "Civil War" rocked and showed Marvel has balls


If you mean having balls by putting out that rubbish, I agree. It was a poorly concieved story line, with a plot thinner than Karen Carpenter. The only thing worse was the ending.

It truly should have been so much more. If anybody thinks that the death of Captain America makes this story line so special, sorry, DC beat them to the punch many years ago.

I would like to punch Civil War right in the head!

x-cutioner's song
infinity gauntlet
thanos quest
civil war
death of superman(for shear cultural impact and the death of the badly written main characters)

Wrong Forum.

Moved...

Originally posted by Soljer
Four of the best issues I've ever read in my life.

They were good.

I would have to agree.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
x-cutioner's song


Why did you like this? I know its all personal opinion, but this story also made my all-time worst list.

I bought every issue of this (actually 2 copies each) and 'Zero Hour' including all tie-ins and afterwards I literally donned a dunce cap and asked myself 'Why'. Horrible.

Originally posted by tkitna
If you mean having balls by putting out that rubbish, I agree. It was a poorly concieved story line, with a plot thinner than Karen Carpenter. The only thing worse was the ending.

It truly should have been so much more. If anybody thinks that the death of Captain America makes this story line so special, sorry, DC beat them to the punch many years ago.


Meh, I liked the storyline, it had a couple of kinks in it (Clor and the villainising of Iron-man for the most part) but that was more than made up for with badass scenes like Cap vs SHIELD in ish #1, being clobbered by Iron-man in ish #3 or Spider-man owning and getting owned in issues #5 and #7. Spidey's unmasking destroyed the whole secret identity thing which tied in perfectly with one of Civil War's themes and allowed potentially new story lines. They had a degree of reader interaction with "Whose side are you on?" and lasting effects (Yes Cap's death being one of them - Brubaker rocks in Cap's ongoing) such as the new, super popular and well written thunderbolts or the initiative or the two new avengers teams which have sprung from this and put the Avengers back on the map

Oh and Mcniven's art was superb Overall a great read IMO

the art at the time was good and x-men was at its most popular.
plus it had cable when he was STILL bad ass not some $shitty psychic
the whole terminator thing was NIKCUF aawsome.

Civil War is a good idea buried in a lot of terrible choices. Still, there was potential there. That's what kills me with modern comics, so many great ideas, a lot of terrible specifics.

Anyway, something that I forgot that just might make the top five:

Astro City: Confession

Originally posted by Galan007
In no particular order...


Miracleman
Secret Wars I
GDS
Dr. Solar, MOTA (Gold Key/Valiant)
IG Saga
V for Vendetta
Morrison's run on Animal Man
DOS
Thor: Disassembled
COIE
DC One Million
House of M
IC One of the best lists I've seen but House of M was just ok for me.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
One of the best lists I've seen but House of M was just ok for me. Yeah,

I only liked the main story line of HoM.... I didn't really venture into it's numerous tie-ins. lol

O'Neil / Neal Adam's Green Lantern Green Arrow run.

Anything with a drunken Tony Stark.

Judge Dredd - "Block Wars" and "Judge Child"

Miller's Dark Knight and Daredevil run.

I agree with Validus. Maximum Carnage was terrible when I was twelve also.

hmmm...

Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing
Grant Morrisson's Doom Patrol/Animal Man
The Sandman "Season's of Mist" Arc
Ennis' Hitman. The entire sixty issues.
Morrison's "World War Three" in JLA
Spiderman: Reign
Tied: Ellis' run on Authority
Transmetropolitian
Mike Carey's/Garth Ennis' run on Hellblazer
Gaiman's Books of Magic
Simonson Thor
Brubaker's Sleeper
Englehart and Brunner's Dr. Strange
Jenkin's initial Sentry mini

to name a few...

1. Watchmen
2. Dark Knight Returns
3. Thanos Quest/IG
4. Coming of Galactus
5. Marvels or Kingdom Come


Some of the responses thus far have been terrible btw. Onslaught? Civil War? Wow just stop reading comics and get a new hobby already

I'm suprised no one has mentioned "The Death of Captain Marvel."

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm suprised no one has mentioned "The Death of Captain Marvel."

Probably because it sucked.






















durfist

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Probably because it sucked.






















durfist

Well, duh, Death of Captain Marvel had nothing on Onslaught and Heroes Reborn. Storm ftw btwdurfist

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah,

I only liked the main story line of HoM.... I didn't really venture into it's numerous tie-ins. lol

I agree i enjoyed the main 7 issues of HOM as well, got into the Spiderman and Fantastic four HOM, and they were not very good.

1) Preacher:

2) Kingdom Come

3) Dark Knight Returns

4) Marvels

5) Batman:Year One

A lot of people say that All Star Superman is some of the best Superman writing. Period.

How accurate is this?

Originally posted by Soljer
A lot of people say that All Star Superman is some of the best Superman writing. Period.

How accurate is this? it's very good...but very different from usual Superman fare from what I gathered

there's more humor and less overt action

Age of Apocalypse
Identity Crisis
Batman:Hush
Civil War
Original Infinite Crisis
Sinestro Corps
Xmen: Days of Future Past

Originally posted by Soljer
A lot of people say that All Star Superman is some of the best Superman writing. Period.

How accurate is this? Its pretty good. I think most people like the idea that the All-star series can explore the Superman mythos without any restrictions like canon. Things like :
Jimmy becoming Doomsday, Superman meeting Superman Prime, Clark in prison with Lex, Lois with powers, atract many of its readers. Not too mension his powers seem to be more over the top than ever before.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Its pretty good. I think most people like the idea that the All-star series can explore the Superman mythos without any restrictions like canon. Things like :
Jimmy becoming Doomsday, Superman meeting Superman Prime, Clark in prison with Lex, Lois with powers, atract many of its readers. Not too mension his powers seem to be more over the top than ever before.

I just finished reading the series.

And yeah, his powers definitely seem pre-crisis. Things like easily making galaxy long jumps, and treating half a million tons like nothing certainly aren't things I could see our mainstream Clark doing with such RIDICULOUS ease.

Maybe under stress, or after a slight sun amp, or something.

But not like that.

I think that All-Star superman is some sort of homage to pre-crisis days, the kind of stories they write for it.

Watchmen...

hmmm... any new opinions since 2007?

In no real order and just my personal preference.

Death of Captain Marvel
Batman Year One
Kingdom Come
Secret Wars
All Star Superman

1. the Infinity Gauntlet
2. Super Boxers
3. Dreadstar (issues 1-10)
4. All Star Superman
5. Death of Captain Marvel

Originally posted by Galan007
In no particular order...


Miracleman
Secret Wars I
GDS
Dr. Solar, MOTA (Gold Key/Valiant)
IG Saga
V for Vendetta
Morrison's run on Animal Man
DOS
Thor: Disassembled
COIE
DC One Million
House of M
IC Nowadays I'd remove some of those, and replace them with stories like: All-Star Superman, Batman: Year One/The Long Halloween, Millar's run on Swamp Thing, Sinestro Corps War, Final Crisis (esp. Superman Beyond), Kingdom Come, Thy Kingdom Come, etc.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nowadays I'd remove some of those, and replace them with stories like: All-Star Superman, Batman: Year One/The Long Halloween, Millar's run on Swamp Thing, Sinestro Corps War, Final Crisis (esp. Superman Beyond), Kingdom Come, Thy Kingdom Come, etc. Sandman. Watchmen Batman RIP as well.

Since the thread is about 'storylines,' I'm limiting my choices to ones involving ongoing titles & characters being published regularly, and not one-off miniseries like Watchmen.

In random order:

Daredevil: Born Again/Elektra saga

The Dark Knight Returns

Kingdom Come

Spider Man: The Death Of Gwen Stacy

Crisis On Infinite Earths


(Next Five)

The Death Of Captain Marvel

Batman: Year One

Batman: Knightfall

Iron Man: Demon In A Bottle (and the sequel story with Obidiah Stane)

The Paul Dini/Alex Ross DC 60th Anniversary Specials
(Superman: Peace On Earth, Shazam: Power Of Hope, Batman: War On Crime, Wonder Woman: Spirit Of Truth)

Others:

Wolverine: Weapon X

Green Lantern: Rebirth

X-Men: Entire Grant Morrison run

X:Men: Dark Phoenix Saga

Thor: Ballad Of Beta Ray Bill & The Casket Of Ancient Winters

Originally posted by Juntai
Sandman. Watchmen Batman RIP as well. @ Batman RIP.
Though I enjoy *most* Sandman material, there are a few arcs I just couldn't get into.
Can't stand the original Watchmen series these days.

Well, so many years since I started this thread, I guess a few picks have changed and I have been able to read some new material.

My votes would be for:

1. The Dark Knight Returns- still

2. Supergod- (Warren Ellis)

3. Kingdom Come- still

4. The World Below- (Dark Horse)

5. Future Foundation- (Fantastic Four)



Honorable Mention-

Emerald Twilight- still

Irredeemable

Fall of Cthulhu

Elementals- Oblivion War

BPRD: Hell on Earth- Really enjoying this stuff.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In no real order and just my personal preference.

Death of Captain Marvel
Batman Year One
Kingdom Come
Secret Wars
All Star Superman



The only one of those not in my top five is Secret Wars... Probably could replace it with either the IG or Ultimates vol 2.

1- Thanos Quest - Infinity Gauntlet - Infinity War - Infinity Crusade
2- Batman: The Long Halloween
3- Watchmen
4- Annihilation
5- Incredible Hercules (It wasn't as good as the above but in terms of just pure fun, it was the best. Best thing Pak ever wrote)

In no particular order:

- American Gothic (Swamp Thing)
- Secret Wars I
- Watchmen
- Crisis on Infinite Earths
- The original Surtur arc in Walt Simonson's Thor

Anything with the Brood in it. Those were classic.

4 years later...

Watchmen
IG saga
Final Crisis
Thor (Ragnarok)
Annihilation

All star Superman
JLA by Grant Morrison
Hitman
X-men by Grant Morrison
X-men econd Coming
Thor: Ragnarok
The ballad of Beta Ray Bill
Surtur Saga
Batman: RIP
Silver Surfer: Requiem
Planet Hulk
Future Imperfect
Superman/Shazam :First Thunder
DOV/Countdown to Infinite Crisis/Rann Thannagar war
Adam Strange: Planet heist
Doctor strange/Doctor Doom: Triumph and Torment

Lots more

Second coming, really?

what did people like about it?

I like Cable and Hope's journey.

Hm, that's hard, because a lot of my favorite bits of comics are character moments that aren't part of a single story that's necessarily really stand out as a top-of-all-time. Or I'm totally into a story right at the moment. I absolutely love Death Vigil and Lazarus right now. Will I still in a few years? Who knows? But for now they're way up in may favs.

Though to name a few off the top of my head-
Empowered, "Three Seconds Too Late"

Sandman, Hob's story

And, uh, a lot from previous people's lists.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Second coming, really?

what did people like about it?

I can see it, it was the conclusion of a giant arc, and pretty epic at that.

All-Star Superman.
Hellboy (let's say the Third Wish or the Crooked Man)
Promethea (for me it's the Moore book with the most staying power)
Guardians of the Galaxy (Abbet and Lanning's run, I like fun books.
Brubaker's Captain America run (just good old comic books)

Honorable Mention: Sandman (lot's of filler and forgettable stuff, but also some of the best sequences I've read in a comicbook)

Also

Sandman: Season of mists
SANDMAN : A Dream of a Thousand Cats
Lucifer: Morningstar
JLA: New maps of hell
Batman :Ten nights of the beast
Green Lantern :Emerald Dawn
Swamp Thing: The murder of crows/American Gothic
Superman : For the man who has everything
Flash: Born to Run
Flash: Return of Barry Allen
Flash: Terminal Velocity
Flash : Rogue War
Green Lantern : Circle of Fire
Hellblazer : Dangerous Habits
Daredevil : Born again
Daredevil : Guardian Devil
Daredevil : Fall of Kingpin
JSA: Justice be done
JSA : Return of Hawkman
JSA : Princes of Darkness
JLA/JSA : Lightning Saga
Legion of Superheroes : Earthwar
Legion of Superheroes : The greatest hero of them all
Legion of Superheroes : Foundations
Legion Lost
New Teen Titans: Judas Contract
New Teen Titans: Who is Donna Troy
New Teen Titans : Terror of Trigon
Atlantis Chronicles
Avengers :Assault on Olympus
Avengers : Korvac saga
Avengers : under Seize
Zemo: Born better

Lots more.

Sad how nothing in the last four years has even come close to being on the list. I'll just pick my five favourites, picking one for each character/team:

Flash - Basically then entire Zoom storyline Johns wrote, from the moment he shows up to the moment Wally changes the past.
X-Men - The first X-Factor run and how it led in to the Inferno stuff.
Superman - The Journey
Aquaman - Anything by Peter David; it's all excellent.
GL - Rebirth
Silver Surfer - I have to go with Requiem. Utterly brilliant piece of work.
Avengers - Ultron... Unlimited, I think it was called.

Sure, that's 7, but meh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Sad how nothing in the last four years has even come close to being on the list.

I seriously considered adding Godzilla in Hell to my list.

Uncanny X-Force: The Dark Angel Saga is another good one.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Uncanny X-Force: The Dark Angel Saga is another good one.

Good run

Originally posted by -Pr-
Sad how nothing in the last four years has even come close to being on the list.

I find there's a tendency not to include super-recent stuff in a best-of-all-time list, just in case time changes opinions.

Originally posted by Q99
I find there's a tendency not to include super-recent stuff in a best-of-all-time list, just in case time changes opinions.

Could be, though as good as some of the stuff I've read has been (mainly post reboot DC stuff), none of it just stood out that much, to me.

Maybe Johns' Aquaman, but that was just really good, rather than all time great.

Originally posted by Bentley
I seriously considered adding Godzilla in Hell to my list.

Genuinely haven't read it.

1. Kingdom Come
2. The Dark Knight Returns
3. Daredevil: The Man Without Fear
4. All Star Superman
5. V for Vendetta / Watchmen

The first that crossed my mind.

I keep thinking back about the fact I enjoyed Earth X and Kingdom Come, but for the life of me I cannot really point out any concrete stuff that I found awesome about either series.

The Dark Knight Returns is one of those Batman stories that are actually somewhat good, all thanks to Gordon

No order:

Thor: God Butcher
The Strange Talent of Luther Strode
Annihilation
Invincible: The Viltrumite War
Secret Warriors
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Green Lantern: Rebirth

In no particular order.

1. Spawn: Godslayer

2. Thor: God Of Thunder

3. Marvel "Annihilation"

4. Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps War

5. Irredeemable


Honorable Mention:
Jupiter's Legacy, SuperGod and anything written by the new Valiant company is gold.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
1. Kingdom Come
2. The Dark Knight Returns
3. Daredevil: The Man Without Fear
4. All Star Superman
5. V for Vendetta / Watchmen

The first that crossed my mind.

Great list.

I'll second it, but add a few personal favourites:

* The Punisher MAX series. A special mention to The Slavers arc - completely brutal and pitiless, this is Frank Castle as I love him: Unstoppable, merciless, a nightmare to terrify the scum of the earth.
* WE3. I loved it, even though as a manly man I had to pretend that I got some dust in my eye.
* The Ultimates. I know, not popular, but I don't care - I thought it was awesome. Complete cheese - but awesome, tasty, gooey, melt-in-your-mouth cheese.
* Batman Year One and Death, The High Cost of Living. Both of them live in the shadows of their more famous siblings but both of them are worthy mentions, frequently overlooked.

Those who don't have Infinity Gauntlet make me sick.

All of the below are comics

1. Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe
2. Ghost Rider: Danny Ketch classic Vol 1
3. The Killing Joke
4. What if Venom possessed Deadpool?
5. Venom: Complete collection Vol 1

This thread has a load of stories that r on my "need-to-read" list.

A lot of good stuff.

Supreme Power by JMS.

1. Watchmen


2. The Dark Knight Returns
3. Born Again
4. Death of Capitan Marvel
5. Kingdom Come

You damn fools can't even get this list right.

1. WATCHMEN- Simply the greatest work in the history of the medium.

2.THE GOLDEN AGE- Flawless from beginning to end and WHAT an ending!

3.THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS- Arguably the most impactful storyline eve.

4.THE INFINITY GAUNTLET- Starlin's masterwork, if he never has a hit again he give us the INFINITY GAUNTLET.

5.DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN- If it weren't for DKR this would be Miller's best work.

I found Watchmen to be highly mediocre/overrated, IMO

Originally posted by Cogito
I found Watchmen to be highly mediocre/overrated, IMO

I can see some people not liking it for certain reasons

but calling WATCHMEN of all books mediocre..is simply laughable, opinions and all..but that is still ridiculous to say

I get why people like it and all, but I found it only moderately entertaining to read.

/shrug

I don't care for Watchmen either. I thoroughly enjoyed the film, though -- it wasn't as riddled with Moore's skewed views of society as the comic series was.

If we're talking Moore's works, I much prefer books like V For Vendetta, Miracleman, The Killing Joke, or his run on Swamp Thing... Hell, I even enjoyed Tom Strong more than Watchmen.

These days, it wouldn't even rank in my top 10... Let alone my top 5.

Yeah, Watchmen is just too self conscious for me to enjoy.

Originally posted by Cogito
I found Watchmen to be highly mediocre/overrated, IMO

no doubt.

V is my favorite Moore work, and Swamp Thing may be his best (it wasn't up my alley, but was undeniably well written). But I'm not as hard on Watchmen as some. It still holds up, imo. I don't quite understand the hate. Ozy's "20 minutes ago" reveal gave me legitimate chills to read, Manhattan remains one of the better ruminations of superpowers that exists in comics, and Rorschach is still interesting and deep, both as a character and as a moral lens through which to critique some elements of our culture.

Manhattan's characterization was excellent. He was the best part of the story for me.

The rest of the series just doesn't hold up, and is too jam packed with Moore's societal views and whatnot. But again, that is just my opinion.

I liked the comic a lot more than the movie really

I am re-reading Marvels at the moment. It must have been really difficult not to hate Busiek and Ross a little bit when it came out. It is just so very, very good.