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Xemnas & Lu Bu
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Dark Nihilus & Vergil
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TWIST:
Strength & Speed between all characters is evened for this VS. No power or Abilities may be used other than their weapons i.e. no force powers or Nothingness. Remember seepd is evened also, though Lubu will be slowest since he has the largest weapon e.g. The Lightsabre will also not be able to cut through their weapons like it normally would. Xemnas gets his Areial Blades.

Simple, this is a battle of Skill only.

(Saw one in the history and thought it would make for some fun ^^ enjoy)

Nihilus and Vergil

I vote Xemnas Lu Bu.

He was the greastest general in the game by a mile. Plus he successfully fended off the 3 brothers. In terms of skill I'd rate him as the highest, so who ever he fights, he beats IMO.

Nihilus and Vergil ftw. Nihilus fought against three opponents simultaneously, likely using mostly his saber, and while DOUBLY weakened, he has skill.

Lu bu pwns all...im sorry. He pwned over 1000 troops i beleive in a single battle. If that aint a feat then i dont know what is

Nihilus and vergil wins, Being able to drain an entire planet and lift a proto star destroyer which is 1.7 miles long and along with that nihilus omnipotence against a non force user

Originally posted by Manslayer
Nihilus and vergil wins, Being able to drain an entire planet and lift a proto star destroyer which is 1.7 miles long and along with that nihilus omnipotence against a non force user

this is how stupid you can look when you don't read the first post properly ^-^

I think Xemnas threads need to end. That's just my suggestion.

Either way, Xemnas had enough power to create a realm that has shown to be VERY vast, especially during the fight against Xemnas controlling the Dragon Nobody, and was planning on to destroy the Realm of Light, in other words the realm that's the opposite of the Realm of Darkness.

Aside from that, in terms of a fight he has a number of abilities which are (and I'll be posting them in his respect thread):

1. Energy manipulation (can turn his energy into energy sabers, projectiles, energy fields, electricity waves and shields). (Last fight)

2. Can cover himself in darkness and become intangible. (First fight against Sora)

3. Create a doppleganger. (Last fight)

4. Superspeed.

5. Flight.

6. Drag people to realms he can create. (First Xemnas fight against Sora).

7. Telekinetically control everything in the final realm he created (commanding all the organization weapons and tossing buildings at Sora and Rikku with the use of his mind). (Second to last fight)

8. Create a black hole. (Second to last fight)

That's it for now.

This a skill battle, not a normal battle, this is the characters at their melee weapons and no other powers/abilities.

Strength is equalized, as is speed

curious, what about durability, for example if you cut Vergil with a blade he can heal incredibly fast and has a basic durability higher than a human anyway, and Xemnas probably has durability higher than nihilius and Lu Bu?

Nope, all on the same level, skill battle, no other factors allowed. It sometimes bugs me that some characters are just insanely more powerful than others, but otherwise you could have some good fights. I found a thread further back that done this idea. So i stole it ^-^

For this fight any unique/special abilitiess or powers are excluded, weapons skill only.

Xemnus and Lu-Bu, according to what you said, Lu-Bu's skill would be unpredented, assuming by his look hes a human mostly, while the other 3 are used to all their powers and abilities, lu-Bu has fought in wars as a general and defeated thousands with abilities like Nihilus and Vergil, according to what you said

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i think Xemnas would be lost without his abilities, it seems in every attack he does hes using a form of ability, gravity defying to float while spinning his swords, things like that he will not have an advantage over Vergil who has a great variety of skillful attacks witohut using his powers

who has the furthest reach weapon?

Maybe we should let them have flying/floating abilities then. I mean they all can do it right?

BT, Nihilus is VASTLY more powerful than anything Lu Bu has even thot of facing. If this thread had no stipulations, he'd one shot the opponents and his partner.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
BT, Nihilus is VASTLY more powerful than anything Lu Bu has even thot of facing. If this thread had no stipulations, he'd one shot the opponents and his partner.

they have no powers at all apart from their skill alone, so Nihilius has no force powers, no force perception even which is where a lot of reflexes of the force come from, hed be almsot like a normal guy with sabre skills regardless of his powers he has in his own game wheras Lu Bu has the advantage of his large array of actualy combat skills doesnt he and his general status as being a warrior of the blade it seems.

i think its mainly going to be a battle of Lu-BU VS Vergil

Originally posted by Burning thought
they have no powers at all apart from their skill alone, so Nihilius has no force powers, no force perception even which is where a lot of reflexes of the force come from, hed be almsot like a normal guy with sabre skills regardless of his powers he has in his own game wheras Lu Bu has the advantage of his large array of actualy combat skills doesnt he and his general status as being a warrior of the blade it seems.

i think its mainly going to be a battle of Lu-BU VS Vergil You said that Lu Bu has fought things like Nihilus before, when he hasn't, not by a long shot, he could solo the Dynasty Warriors world. Nihilus has better saber skills than most give him credit for btw, and seriously, alot of Xemnas' skill relies on his superhuman nature, he is probably the weakest in this fight.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
You said that Lu Bu has fought things like Nihilus before, when he hasn't, not by a long shot, he could solo the Dynasty Warriors world. Nihilus has better saber skills than most give him credit for btw, and seriously, alot of Xemnas' skill relies on his superhuman nature, he is probably the weakest in this fight.

did i? when did i say he fought things like Nihilias beofre

am i incorrect that force users use a lot of force skills to determine and concentrate their attacks, their speed and speed doesnt just come from training and neither does their reflexes, with this stripped away the guy is going to be at a disadvantage, and i think Xemnas will to which is why i think the main battle would be between lu-bu and vergil

Violent2Dope despises anything having to do with Kingdom Hearts. 131

Originally posted by Burning thought
did i? when did i say he fought things like Nihilias beofre

am i incorrect that force users use a lot of force skills to determine and concentrate their attacks, their speed and speed doesnt just come from training and neither does their reflexes, with this stripped away the guy is going to be at a disadvantage, and i think Xemnas will to which is why i think the main battle would be between lu-bu and vergil First of all, Gear, I love KH, wtf gave you that idea?

BT, you said he has fought many with abilities like Nihilus and Vergil before, when he clearly has not. You are right, Force users use the Force to enhance physical abilities in saber fights, but still possess potent swordsmanship skills. Also, going by size, Nihilus may be the physically strongest guy here. 6'7" ftw! Xemnas IMO will be the most disadvantaged, all of his swordsmanship seems to come from his supernatural status.

You two seriously need to put each other on ignore.

We are being civil in this debate.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
First of all, Gear, I love KH, wtf gave you that idea?

BT, you said he has fought many with abilities like Nihilus and Vergil before, when he clearly has not. You are right, Force users use the Force to enhance physical abilities in saber fights, but still possess potent swordsmanship skills. Also, going by size, Nihilus may be the physically strongest guy here. 6'7" ftw! Xemnas IMO will be the most disadvantaged, all of his swordsmanship seems to come from his supernatural status.

2. did i? hmm...afaik he hasnt, i was just saying he has a lot of experiance against many enemies in battle and hes a offensive military general it seems as well, his skill afaik is less powered by his abilities than the others all seem to be and without their powers, they may be at a disadvantage and not fair so well in comaprsion, perhaps your rite about Nihilus.

Originally posted by Burning thought
2. did i? hmm...afaik he hasnt, i was just saying he has a lot of experiance against many enemies in battle and hes a offensive military general it seems as well, his skill afaik is less powered by his abilities than the others all seem to be and without their powers, they may be at a disadvantage and not fair so well in comaprsion, perhaps your rite about Nihilus. Nihilus with his powers is Galactus inspired(he's also the guy in my avy and sig), he can TK whole fleets and tear them from the planet's surface, and he eats planets, only he does it by simply speaking(no shit). Lu Bu certainly has the most military experience, but he is not in control of an army now, it is just him, and Xemnas will be a liability. I can't see them winning.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
First of all, Gear, I love KH, wtf gave you that idea?

BT, you said he has fought many with abilities like Nihilus and Vergil before, when he clearly has not. You are right, Force users use the Force to enhance physical abilities in saber fights, but still possess potent swordsmanship skills. Also, going by size, Nihilus may be the physically strongest guy here. 6'7" ftw! Xemnas IMO will be the most disadvantaged, all of his swordsmanship seems to come from his supernatural status.

No, Nihilus without force powers is not stronger than Lu Bu, who swung around a 6 stone+ Pike with one hand during battle. Though this is almost irrelevent because.....

Their Strength is equalized.

Though you may include things like, Lu Bu with a large weapon will be the slowest, however with the largest weapon he also has most force behind his attacks.

Xemnas in terms of skill is who i rate the weakest, however, he has 2 weapons which is automatically a huge boost.

Originally posted by Remindme
No, Nihilus without force powers is not stronger than Lu Bu, who swung around a 6 stone+ Pike with one hand during battle. Though this is almost irrelevent because.....

Their Strength is equalized.

Though you may include things like, Lu Bu with a large weapon will be the slowest, however with the largest weapon he also has most force behind his attacks.

Xemnas in terms of skill is who i rate the weakest, however, he has 2 weapons which is automatically a huge boost. So if I get sticks it is now a huge boost lol? Xemnas' swordskills almost entirely revolve around his supernatural nature, he WILL cause Lu Bu to lose.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
So if I get sticks it is now a huge boost lol? Xemnas' swordskills almost entirely revolve around his supernatural nature, he WILL cause Lu Bu to lose.


His weapon skills revolves around his abilities? I'm not sure where that rumor came from but, to prove them wrong here his is toying with Sora in Final Mix. He does not use flying or teleportation.
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If you're gonna base his swordplay on that vid alone, he phails, as he showed no impressive swordskills in it.

Well, you've seen it's not his super ability of nothingness that where in his acrobatics lie.

I'd say he was pretty quick, plus the coodrination of his attacks was flawless.


Anyway, instead of criticising how poor his skill is, how about you post a video on Nihilus skill, so you have something on your side.

Originally posted by Remindme
Well, you've seen it's not his super ability of nothingness that where in his acrobatics lie.

I'd say he was pretty quick, plus the coodrination of his attacks was flawless.


Anyway, instead of criticising how poor his skill is, how about you post a video on Nihilus skill, so you have something on your side. Prove that he didn't use Nothingness to enhance his acrobatics.

He was quick, but his combos were just simple flurries.

Kay, but KOTOR2 is hard to judge skill based on gameplay.

Hahahah, very nice, you got me there. I can't prove it. Though it just doesn't seem like it if you can understand my point?

I think those attack would be hard to predict and hard to block or dodge myself.

Originally posted by Remindme
Hahahah, very nice, you got me there. I can't prove it. Though it just doesn't seem like it if you can understand my point?

I think those attack would be hard to predict and hard to block or dodge myself. They were just normal side to side slashes.

Doesn't matter, while he's flipping about like that, the attacks are so damn hard to see where there coming from.

Originally posted by Remindme
Doesn't matter, while he's flipping about like that, the attacks are so damn hard to see where there coming from. Flipping? I didn't see him flip once. He just jumped foreward with some side to side slashes.

Anyone that says that one person has better combat skills that has a hard time handeling up to 4 to 5 warriors will solo a universe a characters that are historical legends and in game has soloed armies is brain dead.

I know Lu Bu is the most skilled here, but Xemnas IMO brings him down.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Flipping? I didn't see him flip once. He just jumped foreward with some side to side slashes.

.....WTF.....He flips over 7 times! Watch the video, when he starts using both bladee, every melee combo he flips on the last or second last attack

Oh yeah, that just proves he had to use Nothingness to do it, that is impossible for a man his height and mass to do things like that continuously, and since he is pretty much just a normal human now, he would get tired quickly.

True, but would he tire before he kill someone or gets killed?


My personal thinking, Under the current circumstances:

Lu Bu > Vergil or Nihilus

Xemnas = Nihilus

Xemnas < Vergil

this makes me wanna duel Lu Bu on the hardest level again

Originally posted by shin_gear
Xemnas' battle skillsTm_JMSmGfUULXBROkzqanw-8EPvG1pgCo Sorry shin gear but what happens in gameplay isnt canon.

By using gameplay , i might as well speculate vader, whom in gameplay can kill 10 000 rebel soldiers with one blast of Force wave can wtf pwn sin from FFX but canonically can he kill sin? Hell no

Only what happens in cut scenes are then canon

That was just to display his battle skills. srsly

I implied nothing about damage amounts and whatnot. I always oppose and disprove that crap.

Originally posted by shin_gear
That was just to display his battle skills. srsly

Again thats not the point, him doing it in gameplay isnt canon which means he doesnt have the technique unless he demonstrates it in cut scenes.

Its just like the Kotor and empire at war, Does revan canonically possess the technique force wave even though he demonstrates it in gameplay? No.

Just because the night sisters of dathomir demonstrated force drain in gameplay, canonically do they have that technique? No they dont, because there is nothing to indicate so

The thread starter allows Xemnas to have the skills, canon or not, shown or not shown in cutscenes, the thread starter approved it, and that's acceptable in terms of Lana's rules in her rules thread.

By the way, do you know all powers are taken out of this fight?

Originally posted by shin_gear
The thread starter allows Xemnas to have the skills, canon or not, shown or not shown in cutscenes, the thread starter approved it, and that's acceptable in terms of Lana's rules in her rules thread.
Ok sorry for the mis understanding, i just read the rule thread thing


Originally posted by shin_gear

By the way, do you know all powers are taken out of this fight? Just realised it, then IMO nihilus gets owned seeing he does jack with the lightsaber, we know nothing about his skills

Compare to Xemnas who's entire fighting style revolves around doing unrealistic and supernatural flips that are impossible to do in real life?

Does he do that in the first video I posted?

Originally posted by shin_gear
Does he do that in the first video I posted? When he starts using two swords he does, and his speed is clearly superhuman as well even before using both, and while using one, his attacks were simple left-to-right sword slashes, nothing to worry about.

cant this fight be changed so their battleling with vanilla icecream whippies and flakes in the top? to the death as well..can only use their cones, if their cones breakzor then they PHAIL!!