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Just like the title says, which retcon did you dislike the most and why.

She-Hulk not tapping Jugg's ass?

For me personally it was the recent Beyonder retcon in Illuminati.

Wolverine being the right hand of god.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Wolverine being the right hand of god. *waits for Jinzin/Capt pwnage soon to insue*

Originally posted by masterbruce
Wolverine being the right hand of god.

Meh,just hold it as ammo in Toaa debates.

Just shows how sh*t Marvels god is if his right hand is a smelly,hairy Canadian midget with Toothpicks in his forearms.

Darkseid created Eclipso

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Darkseid created Eclipso

What? When did this happen?

Originally posted by Akuki
For me personally it was the recent Beyonder retcon in Illuminati.

agreed

Originally posted by King_Mungi
What? When did this happen?
It was stated in Countdown, I don't remember the exact week though.

It was said in Countdown to Mystery #1.


However in her origin which came out in Countdown,She is still made by God,but the gem was made on Apokolips.

Thats where DS pulled that bit of BS from methinks.

Superman one, turning the world backwards, Superman 2, kissing lois...so she'd forget...

Good Retcons, burning every copyof X-men 3, so that, that is retconned...

Originally posted by masterbruce
Wolverine being the right hand of god.
that was not a retconned you idiot. But of course some one who has never read a full issue of wolverine would say this.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
that was not a retconned you idiot. But of course some one who has never read a full issue of wolverine would say this. so you're telling me, Wolverine was always the friggin hand of god!!! Gimme a break, battlethimble, even a hardcore fan like you has to find it a bit ridiculous that god's right hand is a hairy, canadian runt.

Originally posted by masterbruce
so you're telling me, Wolverine was always the friggin hand of god!!! Gimme a break, battlethimble, even a hardcore fan like you has to find it a bit ridiculous that god's right hand is a hairy, canadian runt.
your an idiot


a retconned is some thing like wolverine being unable to cut hulk then later it beeing retconned making him able too.

Logan being the hand of god was not a retconned because nothign was changed. They simply told us of Logans past. It was also back during his 20 issue

but of course you would think ti a retconed becuase you don't read wolverine and found out about it with out knowing when this transpired.

retconned or not, it is absolutely ridiculous that Logan is God's right hand

Originally posted by masterbruce
retconned or not, it is absolutely ridiculous that Logan is God's right hand
think what you want I don't care.

It not a retconned and does not belong in this thread.


you wonder why no one takes you serously and it becuase of shit like this when you state things incorrectly and simply talk out your ass.

Now go away that comment does not belong here take it some were else.


proving furthermore why your consider "wolverine hater"

Originally posted by Battlehammer


proving furthermore why your consider "wolverine hater" oh yes, I'm a Wolverine hater because I don't think he should be god's right hand.

Originally posted by masterbruce
oh yes, I'm a Wolverine hater because I don't think he should be god's right hand.
no your one becuase you braught him up in this thread as the worst retconned even though it was not a retconned and did nto belong in this thread. You jabb at his character when ever possiable and you always end up looking foolsih

just when i thought that marvel had reached the peak of its wolverine stroking, they go and do this. whats next, will wolverine be revealed to be the second coming of Christ? will wolverine become the human incarnation of the anti-life equation (yes i know the anti-life equation is from dc)? will the beyonder be retconed into actually having been wolverine in disguise? will the next wolverine comic feature him riding battlecat atop optimus prime, his claws popped, with mjolnir in one outstreched hand and captain america's shield in the other, all while wearing supermans cape and wonder womans tiara and shooting optic blasts from his eyes, banshee's scream from his mouth, and calling down lighting? God i hate wolverine these days.

...............does any one here read wolverine at all? for god sakes it been in his character for liek 20 years it not something new..........just stop talking becuase you clearly have no idea what yoru talking about

i don't know what i'm talking about because i don't like the way his character is heading? maybe you should learn to spell before you tell me what to stop talking about.

i'm more concerned with the fact that he's chosen a killer to be his right hand from a religious stand point that just dont seem right

indeed

Originally posted by emporerpants
i don't know what i'm talking about because i don't like the way his character is heading? maybe you should learn to spell before you tell me what to stop talking about.

........yes you have no idea what your talking about.

The right hand of god is not a new thing it beena round since his character evolution.

Your makign a fuss as if it is something new and they added this..........when it fact it been around for a very long time.........


why am I always debate by people who don't read wolverine.........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
........yes you have no idea what your talking about.

The right hand of god is not a new thing it beena round since his character evolution.

Your makign a fuss as if it is something new and they added this..........when it fact it been around for a very long time.........


why am I always debate by people who don't read wolverine......... do you realize how powerful the right hand of god is? This puts Wolverine perhaps above TOAA...does that not bother you at all?

Originally posted by masterbruce
do you realize how powerful the right hand of god is? This puts Wolverine perhaps above TOAA...does that not bother you at all?
who said they were powerful? no one. It the marvel universe not you who dictates there power.

i don't care how new it is to you, its new to me right now. am i not allowed to have an opinion on something because i didn't know about it for awhile? you just don't like that fact that i'm being outspoken against wolverine. i heard something new about wolverine and i don't like it. i have a right to express my opinion on it whether you like it or not. deal with it.

Originally posted by emporerpants
i don't care how new it is to you, its new to me right now. am i not allowed to have an opinion on something because i didn't know about it for awhile? you just don't like that fact that i'm being outspoken against wolverine. i heard something new about wolverine and i don't like it. i have a right to express my opinion on it whether you like it or not. deal with it.

You said I hate they way there takign wolverines character..........because of an event that took palce 20 years ago..........yup that makes senses.

I really don't care. You really do have great or even decent knowledge of his character so it pointless debating you.


You go a long saying all you like about him be as out spoken as you like. Hell take it to the verse forum as well.

do even bother to check your grammar and spelling dude? seriously. also, i said that i don't like the way they are taking the character before i knew the event happened 20 years ago, obviously. what doesn't make sense is the fact that you didn't realize that. honestly, its hard to understand what you're trying to say when your typing is so crappy, but you know what the worst part is? even after you decipher is, its STILL full of crap.

Originally posted by emporerpants
do even bother to check your grammar and spelling dude? seriously. also, i said that i don't like the way they are taking the character before i knew the event happened 20 years ago, obviously. what doesn't make sense is the fact that you didn't realize that. honestly, its hard to understand what you're trying to say when your typing is so crappy, but you know what the worst part is? even after you decipher is, its STILL full of crap.
good for you .

does not change the fact............you have terriable knowledge on wolverine........making your oppinion well not that important.

and that doesn't change the fact that i can voice my opinion just as much as you can, and you have no right to rag on me just because i don't like your spank bank material.

lol fine have your opion and my opion is you should never be allowed to vioce an opion on matter you have little to no knowledge about

Originally posted by masterbruce
do you realize how powerful the right hand of god is? This puts Wolverine perhaps above TOAA...does that not bother you at all? it has nothing to do with power, it's just a title

Originally posted by Battlehammer
...............does any one here read wolverine at all? for god sakes it been in his character for liek 20 years it not something new..........just stop talking becuase you clearly have no idea what yoru talking about


Oh we read Wolverine. Just not the same Wolverine YOU read.


Now get the hell out of the thread, your ruining it.

and you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a keyboard as you have no idea how to type a clear sentence. its also my opinion that its a good thing you're not in charge of anything, seeing as how you wouldn't let anyone voice an opinion on anything unless they wank off to the subject material.

People, please don't give me a reason to close this thread.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
your an idiot


a retconned is some thing like wolverine being unable to cut hulk then later it beeing retconned making him able too.

Logan being the hand of god was not a retconned because nothign was changed. They simply told us of Logans past. It was also back during his 20 issue

but of course you would think ti a retconed becuase you don't read wolverine and found out about it with out knowing when this transpired.

Him not being immortal (Sort of) is a retcon.

Early issues showed him nearly dieing. Seeing as it wasn't established before and it wasn't thought of in the beginning then thats a retcon.

Originally posted by Hyperion 07
Him not being immortal (Sort of) is a retcon.

Early issues showed him nearly dieing. Seeing as it wasn't established before and it wasn't thought of in the beginning then thats a retcon.

we werent discussing the immortal thing.

Originally posted by grey fox
Oh we read Wolverine. Just not the same Wolverine YOU read.


Now get the hell out of the thread, your ruining it.

so you read ultimate?




not my fault. I merely stated that bruce was wrong then things spiralled out of controll.


worse retconn would be.........hmmm no idea

Originally posted by Battlehammer
we werent discussing the immortal thing. I know. I was just saying.

How has it been going on for 20 year? Proof man proof. (Not immortal thing)

BTW the immortal bit is shit.

Apoc able to pawn a table is a bad retcon.

Originally posted by Priest
Apoc able to pawn a table is a bad retcon.

Why?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Why? because he was never able to do it, even when he was the powerful classic version....yet he did it when he was a much weaker, dracular fighting version? doesn't quite make any sense

Originally posted by masterbruce
because he was never able to do it

Doing what?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Darkseid created Eclipso
Originally posted by King_Mungi
What? When did this happen?
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_ds_eclipso1.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_ds_eclipso2.jpg http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_ds_eclipso3.jpg

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Doing what? besting a hardwood table in melee combat

Originally posted by masterbruce
besting a hardwood table

That was an Apocalypse robot.

Anyone thinking Apocalypse would be harmed by the pressures underwater should realize that his lesser servant, Assassin, was not, and Apocalypse has taken far worse. Not to mention that he shown to have been underwater just fine....

th wolverine thing is not a retcon its back story...after he go t his true memories back on M-day writers have had free reign to fill in any story they wanted...wolverine is about 200 yrs after all, lots of stuff could have and obviously have happened.... and no he is not god's right hand no where was that even mentioned all that happens his when he dies, his soul battles the angel of death, and is he defeats him he gets to come back...so the retcon in that part is all these years it wasnt his plain ol healing factor bring him back but he's effectively been getting a new body everytime....which would explain why he has been able to survive nuclear incineration at ground zero, and crawling out of vats of molten steel

another note......im willing to give the inhuman beyonder a chance...seeing as how he hasnt done anything yet....worst retcon for me would have to be the she hulk thing....in fact that issue effectively retcons alot of stuff really. becuase what they are saying is all this time when our fave heroes/villains have been jobbing, or performing out of character its just been thier counterparts from another Earth here on vacation...which is lame

Originally posted by Bad Ash231

Anyone thinking Apocalypse would be harmed by the pressures underwater should realize that his lesser servant, Assassin, was not, and Apocalypse has taken far worse. Not to mention that he shown to have been underwater just fine.... who said anything about water pressure?

The Parrallax worm was bad but I can deal with it but retconning the killing joke

Originally posted by emporerpants
just when i thought that marvel had reached the peak of its wolverine stroking, they go and do this. whats next, will wolverine be revealed to be the second coming of Christ? will wolverine become the human incarnation of the anti-life equation (yes i know the anti-life equation is from dc)? will the beyonder be retconed into actually having been wolverine in disguise? will the next wolverine comic feature him riding battlecat atop optimus prime, his claws popped, with mjolnir in one outstreched hand and captain america's shield in the other, all while wearing supermans cape and wonder womans tiara and shooting optic blasts from his eyes, banshee's scream from his mouth, and calling down lighting? God i hate wolverine these days. Funny, hasn't Superman actually done all that and then some? Well except the claws. That would just be silly.

While I agree that Wolverine is overrated beyond belief and he's Marvel's numero uno cock stroke I really like the character still. I just hate all the unbelievable bullshit they write for him. It really deminishes the character's true value IMO.

Its like Supes, look at what giving him literally EVERYTHING!!! has done for him. There's absolutely really no point to the character except to make money off his image. That's it! His stories have no interest or value now because he can't lose! So whats the point?

pretty much all heroes can't lose...ultimately

Originally posted by masterbruce
pretty much all heroes can't lose...ultimately I know what your saying but I mean he really can't lose at all. While some heroes lose allot. Not just the battles but their inner demons, personal problems. Sometimes, thou admittedly being very few, they do lose the fight. Hell Spiderman has lost allot of fights. Just as Batman has lost a few. When does Superman ever lose anything?



Which reminds me,

SINS PAST!

WORST RETCON EVER!!!

Originally posted by masterbruce
who said anything about water pressure?

Namor was aiming for the glass behind Apocalypse...

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Namor was aiming for the glass behind Apocalypse... ???

Fact: Namor through a table at Apoc. Apoc feared the table and dodges. No ways about it. He fears the table because it has teh legzz!!11

Originally posted by Hyperion 07
???

Have you actually read the issue?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Have you actually read the issue? Yes. He fears teh legz!!11

Originally posted by Hyperion 07
Yes. He fears teh legz!!11

Nah, it wasn't him.

It was.....Teh legz, teh legz.

Originally posted by Hyperion 07
It was.....Teh legz, teh legz.

.....

No.


The Namor issue took place during the same time as the X-Cutioner's Song....

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
.....

No.


The Namor issue took place during the same time as the X-Cutioner's Song.... Lies!!!

beyonder, its, a disgraceful retcon

Originally posted by lordboo
beyonder, its, a disgraceful retcon Whats the retcon?

Originally posted by Hyperion 07
Whats the retcon?

From....

A. Godlike entity which no one can entirely understand

B. Cube being whom was being strung along by the celestials in a cosmically large game.

C. A female version of the above

D. A mutant Inhuman.

I have a personal theory that after the original Secret Wars he mindwiped himself and is subconsciously causing these retcons to happen to keep his life 'intresting'.

Originally posted by lordboo
beyonder, its, a disgraceful retcon That's because Beyonder is a ridiculous character. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
That's because Beyonder is a ridiculous character. srsly

Not really. If used correctly he could be great. It's just no one is entirely sure how to portray someone of such power.

Originally posted by grey fox
Not really. If used correctly he could be great. It's just no one is entirely sure how to portray someone of such power. How Beyonder was portrayed in SW I was perfect for a character like him, ..

SW II, and the retcons that followed, just mucked all that up for me.

Ah. I never read Secret Wars. Got bored half way through.

Originally posted by Hyperion 07
Ah. I never read Secret Wars. Got bored half way through.

The original Secret Wars was, imo, one of the best reads to date.

Originally posted by Galan007


The original Secret Wars was, imo, one of the best reads to date.

What? Everyone has different tastes. I just didn't happen to like Marvel back then. I tried reading what I missed recently and it bored be shitless.

According to Marvel.com, (who spoiled the surprise)
the Beyonder isn't an Inhuman-Mutant.

The Beyonder actually manipulated X's mind along with the rest of the pack,
into thinking and believing he was an Inhuman-Mutant.

In the next arc Beyonder appears in, we'll find this out, and the reasons behind it.

I guess this is why in the New Updated bios of late-summer 2007,
the Beyonder is still a Cube Being:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2061/shmg0.th.jpg
(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook Update - 2007)


Beyonder's last and only official Historical retcon was when he became a Cube being.
(I also thought he went through other retcons,
but in fact,
only his powerset has fluxuated in the retcon business)

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to Marvel.com, (who spoiled the surprise)
the Beyonder isn't an Inhuman-Mutant.

The Beyonder actually manipulated X's mind along with the rest of the pack,
into thinking and believing he was an Inhuman-Mutant.

In the next arc Beyonder appears in, we'll find this out, and the reasons behind it.

I guess this is why in the New Updated bios of late-summer 2007,
the Beyonder is still a Cube Being:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2061/shmg0.th.jpg
(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook Update - 2007)


Beyonder's last and only official Historical retcon was when he became a Cube being.
(I also thought he went through other retcons,
but in fact,
only his powerset has fluxuated in the retcon business)

I KNEW it !!!!

W00t

Um, speaking of the Beyonder. What's the Molecule Man up to now?

Originally posted by Emperor Pants
Seriously, do you even bother to check your grammar and spelling, dude? Also, I obviously said that I don't like the way they are taking the character before I knew the event happened 20 years ago. What doesn't make sense is the fact that you didn't realize that. Honestly, it's hard to understand what you're trying to say when your typing is so crappy, but you know what the worst part is? Even after you decipher it, it's STILL full of crap. I fixed some of the hypocrite's spelling and grammar.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I fixed some of the hypocrite's spelling and grammar.

Terrible terrible retcon.

lol

awww, thanks for showing how much you care creshosk!

The JLA messing up Dr.Light was a bad one, and good sort of.