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rock lee has the 5 gates open, but since he can only keep them open for like a minute (i think thats right ) before he falls like a sack of potatoes, he now has a max of 3 minutes

VS.

sasuke in his full out highest curse mark thing (forget what its called, the one where he has wings and a weird face ) lol

Sasuke.

Lee. Sasuke may have the sharigan but he's not going to be able to move fast enough to dodge Lee with the five gates open. Sasuke's no slouch in the speed department and without the gates open he would easily own Lee with no trouble, and maybe even own Lee with two gates opened but he's really got nothing to stop Lee with five gates open.

Originally posted by Kento
Lee. Sasuke may have the sharigan but he's not going to be able to move fast enough to dodge Lee with the five gates open. Sasuke's no slouch in the speed department and without the gates open he would easily own Lee with no trouble, and maybe even own Lee with two gates opened but he's really got nothing to stop Lee with five gates open.

Sasuke is at his most strongest, with the cures seal, he beats Lee.

Sasuke at his strongest has yet to actually beat anybody or show anything impressive. He hasn't shown the speed that Lee had either when he opened the five gates. Sasuke may have the better chakra attacks and his sharigan but Lee beats him in speed and strength and that's all Lee really needs.

Rock Lee wins.

The only reason why Kyuubi Naruto would beat Lee /w gates is because of his regeneration abilities, allowing him to bounce back from a beat down.

Sasuke has no such luxury. Sasuke can't move as fast as Rock Lee can, so his Sharingan will be useless. Other then that Sasuke has nothing with which to help him.

What is this? At what point is this in the story? If it is anytime after the CHunin exams then Sasuke dusts Lee. Sasuke could match lees speed during his fight with Gaara. When he fought Naruto a little of the Kyubi's chakra made him too fast to see, meanign he was moving faster than Lee before he opened the gates but after he took the weights off. Then Sasuke was able to match Naruto's speed. Fianlly Naruto went Kyubi 1 tail and again he became even faster. Using the Curse Seal level 2 Sasuke was able to match NAruto's new speed.

Even if Lee is faster it won't be neough to crush sauske. At least not in the tiem frame taht it takes for Lee to die from his heart expldoing.

Also if this is shippuden the balance tips even fruther in Sasuke's favor. Sasuke can keep up the electric feild that prevents Lee from even hitting him without getting electrocuted.

Seriously, Sasuke annihlates Lee

Lee may be fast, but one tail's attack didn't faze him, Lee can't do anything to him.

Plus that this stage he has his mature Sharingan which means speed isn't as effective as it should be

Originally posted by Kento
He hasn't shown the speed that Lee had either when he opened the five gates.

The speed Kakashi had him copy wasn't that much slower, I'd guess he was between a third as fast to a half.

Plus the Sharingan....well IMO that would close the gap. Then seal Sasuke ahead because it can copy it.

Sasuke is many many many times stronger than Lee at curse-mark stage 2.


In conclusion, Lee goes down hard, he ain't getting back up.

Though I would love to see Lee brush's Sasuke's teeth with his foot.

Originally posted by Warmonger
What is this? At what point is this in the story? If it is anytime after the CHunin exams then Sasuke dusts Lee. Sasuke could match lees speed during his fight with Gaara. When he fought Naruto a little of the Kyubi's chakra made him too fast to see, meanign he was moving faster than Lee before he opened the gates but after he took the weights off. Then Sasuke was able to match Naruto's speed. Fianlly Naruto went Kyubi 1 tail and again he became even faster. Using the Curse Seal level 2 Sasuke was able to match NAruto's new speed.

Even if Lee is faster it won't be neough to crush sauske. At least not in the tiem frame taht it takes for Lee to die from his heart expldoing.

Also if this is shippuden the balance tips even fruther in Sasuke's favor. Sasuke can keep up the electric feild that prevents Lee from even hitting him without getting electrocuted.

dang you just took the words right out of my mouth.

Sasuke beat Naruto with 1/9th of the Kyuubi's Chakra... Lee couldn't do that, no way.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sasuke beat Naruto with 1/9th of the Kyuubi's Chakra... Lee couldn't do that, no way. One problem..Naruto wasn't trying to kill just trying to get him to come back. Sasuke was trying to kill. Sasuke was at full power, Naruto wasn't and was still in control of himself.

Originally posted by Warmonger
What is this? At what point is this in the story? If it is anytime after the CHunin exams then Sasuke dusts Lee. Sasuke could match lees speed during his fight with Gaara. When he fought Naruto a little of the Kyubi's chakra made him too fast to see, meanign he was moving faster than Lee before he opened the gates but after he took the weights off. Then Sasuke was able to match Naruto's speed. Fianlly Naruto went Kyubi 1 tail and again he became even faster. Using the Curse Seal level 2 Sasuke was able to match NAruto's new speed.

Even if Lee is faster it won't be neough to crush sauske. At least not in the tiem frame taht it takes for Lee to die from his heart expldoing.

Also if this is shippuden the balance tips even fruther in Sasuke's favor. Sasuke can keep up the electric feild that prevents Lee from even hitting him without getting electrocuted. Sasuke could match Lee's speed without weight but that's a lot slower than Lee's speed with the Gates open. That speed hasn't been seen since except for when Gai opened the Gates against Kisame.

Originally posted by Remindme
Seriously, Sasuke annihlates Lee

Lee may be fast, but one tail's attack didn't faze him, Lee can't do anything to him.

Plus that this stage he has his mature Sharingan which means speed isn't as effective as it should be



The speed Kakashi had him copy wasn't that much slower, I'd guess he was between a third as fast to a half.

Plus the Sharingan....well IMO that would close the gap. Then seal Sasuke ahead because it can copy it.

Sasuke is many many many times stronger than Lee at curse-mark stage 2.


In conclusion, Lee goes down hard, he ain't getting back up.
What has Sasuke ever done that makes him look even half as fast as Lee with the Gates opened? As Gai's student Lee should easily be able to get past the Sharingan also. Not to mention Lee would be running around all over the place instead of charging straight in like Naruto does all the time. Lee is a better taijutsu fighter than Sasuke. The sharingan can be beat. Gai knows how and he's trained Lee in all his secrets I doubt he wouldn't train him to read body movement instead of starring into the eyes with Sasuke running around witht he sharingan.

Hidden Lotus ftw.

Originally posted by Kento
What has Sasuke ever done that makes him look even half as fast as Lee with the Gates opened? As Gai's student Lee should easily be able to get past the Sharingan also. Not to mention Lee would be running around all over the place instead of charging straight in like Naruto does all the time. Lee is a better taijutsu fighter than Sasuke. The sharingan can be beat. Gai knows how and he's trained Lee in all his secrets I doubt he wouldn't train him to read body movement instead of starring into the eyes with Sasuke running around witht he sharingan.

He see's Haku move at the speed of light for the love of...and thats not even the mature sharingan....

ufoKDvjKVp8

There, very high speeds, undenyable proof.

Thats very advanced training dealing with a sharingan user, I doubt Gai got around to it pre-shippuden.


p.s where did you get the absurd impression, Gai finds it easy to get past a sharingan user? He is able to by judging their foot movements.....if that was easier he'd do it all the time

Haku didn't move lightspeed. Or are Sasuke's fireballs now also lightspeed?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Haku didn't move lightspeed. Or are Sasuke's fireballs now also lightspeed?

He did, but fireballs heated up the air so it's slowed his down significatly

But the reason he used fire aside to melt the ice, was because he saw him.


p.s why do you think we have coolers on the pc? things can move alot faster in cold, no friction

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Hidden Lotus ftw.
thanx
(if you dont get it, check me username )

Originally posted by Remindme
He see's Haku move at the speed of light for the love of...and thats not even the mature sharingan....

ufoKDvjKVp8

There, very high speeds, undenyable proof.

Thats very advanced training dealing with a sharingan user, I doubt Gai got around to it pre-shippuden.


p.s where did you get the absurd impression, Gai finds it easy to get past a sharingan user? He is able to by judging their foot movements.....if that was easier he'd do it all the time Before Sasuke ever got the Sharingan Haku was slowing down because it used up to much chakra. Second when it is ever stated it's light speed in the manga. The only thing I remember is it's to fast for the human eye to track nothing about light speed. Next Sasuke is still weaker than both Gai and Kakashi even after the time skip. Sai was able to see him move and stop him even though Naruto couldn't see him. Rock Lee is also superior in strength. And he knows Gai's fighting style. I highly doubt Gai didn't teach him to read body movement if he taught him something so dangerous as the Gates. Gai can easily to get past Sharingan. He figured out how fighting Kakashi.

not up for debate at all. in the defection arc, when he first activated the curse seal 2, he wud have quite easily beaten lee with gates open. as he is in shippudenright now, he will kill lee.

What has Sasuke done in Shippuden that has even shown speed like that of Lee against Gaara? When has Naruto or Sasuke ever showed that type of speed?

lets see now. the same guy who after becoming faster than lee without weights, and further activating his cursed seal and rushing in with a chodori was casually brushed off by itachi, is now faster than itachi cud react and stabbed him and itachi admitted how much he had grown. it is also the same guy who swiftly took care of post shippuden naruto, sakura, sai and yamato before they cud even blink. this is also the same guy who took down hundreds hundreds of curse mark 2 body gurads while before with the speed of weightless lee and the surse seal cudnt even take care of one. this is also the guy who was able to slach tobi and attack diedara before they cud react. he also crossed the length of miles in an instant while flying with his wings away from the exploding minefield of diedara's, he was also able to instantaneously move from the ground to the back of diedara who was flying high and fast above him after summoning two fuuma shuriken form another angle. oh and maybe thge fact that most of the shippuden characters are amazed or scared of exactly how FAST sasuke is now, is the reason why i think he is much much MUCH faster than pre shippuden sasuke right now.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lets see now. the same guy who after becoming faster than lee without weights, and further activating his cursed seal and rushing in with a chodori was casually brushed off by itachi, is now faster than itachi cud react and stabbed him and itachi admitted how much he had grown. it is also the same guy who swiftly took care of post shippuden naruto, sakura, sai and yamato before they cud even blink. this is also the same guy who took down hundreds hundreds of curse mark 2 body gurads while before with the speed of weightless lee and the surse seal cudnt even take care of one. this is also the guy who was able to slach tobi and attack diedara before they cud react. he also crossed the length of miles in an instant while flying with his wings away from the exploding minefield of diedara's, he was also able to instantaneously move from the ground to the back of diedara who was flying high and fast above him after summoning two fuuma shuriken form another angle. oh and maybe thge fact that most of the shippuden characters are amazed or scared of exactly how FAST sasuke is now, is the reason why i think he is much much MUCH faster than pre shippuden sasuke right now. Was that even the real Itachi? He broke up into a bunch of birds. Plus he followed Sasuke he just didn't move. Saying how much stronger he has gotten doesn't mean he's stronger than him just that he's stronger than before. Sai was able to react to Sasuke when he was about to stab Naruto and the on reason he took Sai down was because of the electric shield. He didn't exactly beat Yamato and was surprised when Yamato pushed back his blade with his wood technique. Not to mention none of them were trying to fight Sasuke. Suigetsu was also able to take down cursed seal lvl 2 minions. You act like because they have the cursed seal they are strong. The Sound 4 were taken down by some of the weakest in the village and they were the ones Orochimaru chose to be by his side which would make them some of the strongest. You also act like he hurt Tobi there wasn't blood or anything...Tobi also has done nothing to show how powerful he is yet. And even at that point nobody really knew he had the Sharingan and he acts like he's a bad fighter if he isn't one. Also what are you talking about? Sasuke used Madara and a spacial warp to get away from the blast he didn't out run it. Tobi outran it. The only two people that have been unable to see Sasuke was Sakura and Naruto.

Originally posted by Remindme
He did, but fireballs heated up the air so it's slowed his down significatly

But the reason he used fire aside to melt the ice, was because he saw him.


p.s why do you think we have coolers on the pc? things can move alot faster in cold, no friction

Prove that he moves at Lightspeed. And even if he did thats completely irrelevant, as seeing your opponent move that fast is nothing if you're body can't move fast enough to react to it. Lee has already proven this point.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Prove that he moves at Lightspeed. And even if he did thats completely irrelevant, as seeing your opponent move that fast is nothing if you're body can't move fast enough to react to it. Lee has already proven this point.

Why prove it if you've already decided it to be irrelevent? XD

Because if he really does move at the speed of light, I'm going to use that in Haku Vs, threads.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Because if he really does move at the speed of light, I'm going to use that in Haku Vs, threads.

Demonic Ice Mirrors he uses the reflection in the light to move between them. Thus moving at lightspeed

Originally posted by Kento
One problem..Naruto wasn't trying to kill just trying to get him to come back. Sasuke was trying to kill. Sasuke was at full power, Naruto wasn't and was still in control of himself.

Sasuke could match Lee's speed without weight but that's a lot slower than Lee's speed with the Gates open. That speed hasn't been seen since except for when Gai opened the Gates against Kisame.


What has Sasuke ever done that makes him look even half as fast as Lee with the Gates opened? As Gai's student Lee should easily be able to get past the Sharingan also. Not to mention Lee would be running around all over the place instead of charging straight in like Naruto does all the time. Lee is a better taijutsu fighter than Sasuke. The sharingan can be beat. Gai knows how and he's trained Lee in all his secrets I doubt he wouldn't train him to read body movement instead of starring into the eyes with Sasuke running around witht he sharingan.

Yes he could match lees speed with out hte weights... before he fought Naruto. Naruto's speed druing their last a battle was too fast for for Sauske meaning that he was moving faster than Rock Lees unagumented, but weightless speed.

Then his sharingan got more advanced and he was able to see Naruto's speed and even to match it. Meaning that they were both already moving faster than Lee.

Later when Naruto grew the one tail he agian got another boost in his speed, because once again he was faster than Sauske. Sauske then used he Curse Seal 2 and was again able to match Naruto's speed.

Basically before Shippudne even started Sasuke got two speed upgrades past Lees speed.

Now lets say lee opens the five gates. Is he faster? Yes. Is he fast enough to now completely blitz Sauske? Not likely. At the very least Sauske holds him off for the time it takes for Lee's stamina to run out.

Now if we take it to shippuden we cna assuem that Sauske is jsut as fast as he was in Naruto. Except that he now has an electric feild jutsu that can fry lee if he actually touches him.

Sasuke might have fruity black lipstick but he has all he needs to beat lee here.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Yes he could match lees speed with out hte weights... before he fought Naruto. Naruto's speed druing their last a battle was too fast for for Sauske meaning that he was moving faster than Rock Lees unagumented, but weightless speed.

Then his sharingan got more advanced and he was able to see Naruto's speed and even to match it. Meaning that they were both already moving faster than Lee.

Later when Naruto grew the one tail he agian got another boost in his speed, because once again he was faster than Sauske. Sauske then used he Curse Seal 2 and was again able to match Naruto's speed.

Basically before Shippudne even started Sasuke got two speed upgrades past Lees speed.

Now lets say lee opens the five gates. Is he faster? Yes. Is he fast enough to now completely blitz Sauske? Not likely. At the very least Sauske holds him off for the time it takes for Lee's stamina to run out.

Now if we take it to shippuden we cna assuem that Sauske is jsut as fast as he was in Naruto. Except that he now has an electric feild jutsu that can fry lee if he actually touches him.

Sasuke might have fruity black lipstick but he has all he needs to beat lee here.

2 things:

1) Curse mark 2 has a very limited time also

2) Post Shippuden Sasuke WTF owns lee, he beats Naruto, Sai and Sakura in the blink of an eye

Originally posted by Warmonger
Yes he could match lees speed with out hte weights... before he fought Naruto. Naruto's speed druing their last a battle was too fast for for Sauske meaning that he was moving faster than Rock Lees unagumented, but weightless speed.

Then his sharingan got more advanced and he was able to see Naruto's speed and even to match it. Meaning that they were both already moving faster than Lee.

Later when Naruto grew the one tail he agian got another boost in his speed, because once again he was faster than Sauske. Sauske then used he Curse Seal 2 and was again able to match Naruto's speed.

Basically before Shippudne even started Sasuke got two speed upgrades past Lees speed.

Now lets say lee opens the five gates. Is he faster? Yes. Is he fast enough to now completely blitz Sauske? Not likely. At the very least Sauske holds him off for the time it takes for Lee's stamina to run out.

Now if we take it to shippuden we cna assuem that Sauske is jsut as fast as he was in Naruto. Except that he now has an electric feild jutsu that can fry lee if he actually touches him.

Sasuke might have fruity black lipstick but he has all he needs to beat lee here. The only thing Sasuke has is his lelectric field..And yes he is past Lee's normal speed but not close to Lee's speed with the gates open at all. It's already been proven moving faster than the body can react is a great way to win and Lee can do that against Sasuke. Even with his Sharingan. There is a big difference between Lee and Naruto. Naruto charges in while Lee doesn't charge in at all. Lee is also a better fighter than Naruto. Lee was also trained to fight like a guy who battles a Sharingan user regularly and to say that he doesn't know how to read body movement would be foolish since he fights exactly like Gai and Gai taught him everything that Gai himself knows how to do.
Originally posted by Remindme
2 things:

1) Curse mark 2 has a very limited time also

2) Post Shippuden Sasuke WTF owns lee, he beats Naruto, Sai and Sakura in the blink of an eye He didn't own Sai in a blink. He shocked Sai who was just holding his hand after stopping him from stabbing Naruto. Not really that impressive.

Originally posted by Kento
Lee was also trained to fight like a guy who battles a Sharingan user regularly

Ahem...yeah.....bullshit

Originally posted by Remindme
Ahem...yeah.....bullshit Sure because Gai doesn't fight Kakashi and hasn't developed a way to get past it.

Originally posted by Kento
Sure because Gai doesn't fight Kakashi and hasn't developed a way to get past it.

"Lee was also trained to fight like a guy who battles a Sharingan user regularly"

That is bull, working out how to get past it is true, but Lee is no where near perfection on that, unless you have proof otherwise?

Lee already knew about the Sharingan and what it was capable of before he met Sasuke. That's why he knew why Sasuke couldn't react to him at all when they first fought. And Lee fights exactly like Gai. He didn't know how to fight until he got on Gai's team at all so somebody had to teach him. Gai has taught him everything else from the Gates to his style of fighting yet he's going to leave out the ability to know what somebody is going to do by watching their feet? He's had nearly 4 years training with him by the beginning of Shippuden.

Originally posted by Kento
Lee already knew about the Sharingan and what it was capable of before he met Sasuke. That's why he knew why Sasuke couldn't react to him at all when they first fought. And Lee fights exactly like Gai. He didn't know how to fight until he got on Gai's team at all so somebody had to teach him. Gai has taught him everything else from the Gates to his style of fighting yet he's going to leave out the ability to know what somebody is going to do by watching their feet? He's had nearly 4 years training with him by the beginning of Shippuden.

This isn't Shippuden....and if it is.....i would totally laugh at you for saying Lee with 5 gates > Curse mark stage 2 Sasuke

Because At this point Sasuke kills Orochimaru, something we know Gai can't do, never mind Lee

Pre-Shippuden, Lee hasn't had the time to learn to predict movement via feet properly if at all

But orichimaru was also on his death bed and couldn't use his arms. It's not like Orichimaru was using his full power Sasuke even admits this.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
But orichimaru was also on his death bed and couldn't use his arms. It's not like Orichimaru was using his full power Sasuke even admits this.

Reguardless, that feat truimphs any of Lee's

Beating down someone who is on the verge o death and can use barely any of his Ninjitsu < Rock Lee's mediocre feats.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Beating down someone who is on the verge o death and can use barely any of his Ninjitsu < Rock Lee's mediocre feats.

It's not someone, It's Orochimaru, that's not someone. And if i recall correction Tsuande couldn't kill him in that state.

This is in Shippuden, are you actually saying going all out, you think Lee > Sasuke? if you say yes I'll give you a feat......but I#ll *****-slap you for being so silly

(Edit)

I need to go out, this feat puts Sasuke mish ahead of Lee, however, one of the plots more major spoilers

Sasuke Kills his brother, Uchiha Itachi

yup. sasuke's shaaringan wud have noticed a clone. he didnt move because sasuke attacked too fast. and im not saying he is or isnt stronger than itachi. it does mean that he has grown since the last time thye met pre shippuden.



not really, sasuke was acting cool and collected as always, otherwise the artist cudnt draw the next scene with his chidori discharge cud he? plot device. and it was already shown before that sasuke not only terrified but also countered the most poweful and surprise attack/unexpected jutsus of sai. he actually did slice through yamato's mukotan jutsu. he was surprised later because he was concentrating on sealing and dismissing the kyuubi in naruto's soul HELLO, he spaced out in the real world and that surprised him because h wasnt paying attention. and no, all of them were trying to fight sasuke. only naruto wasnt.



yes, suigetsu is STRONG. one of the chief 4 test subjects of urochimaru. on the level of karin, the curse seal creator and kimimaru. sasuke recruited him to take on AKATSUKI, and he wants to battle kisame, doesnt that say sumthing about him? the sound 4 were taken down by some of the STRONGEST in konohakagura. they had already made good work of a few jounins bfore they left remember.



but he did infact slash tobi and didnt miss. its onlythat tobi got right back up, i mean hello, he commands PAIN, the god, rinnegan user who plans to create a jutsu that can destroy entire shinobi COUNTRIES off the face of the planet in less then a second. and do it again and again and again and again.

and first off, i was talking about hte OTHER explosions of c-3 before he used the sacrificial jutsu. those were also enormous{aleit not over 10 kilometres in radius}. and that is when sasuke flew to avoid them. n body flickered to behind a flying diedara.

secondly, sasuke clearly SAYS, that he bore the full brunt of the attack in the beginning, before he receided into the mouth of manda and manda suffered the later attack. and he was there until the explosion dissipated. it was MUCH AFTERWARDS that suigetsu used a summoning jutsu to summon manda and sasuke from the destruction zone.

i do see that you have a tendency to seriously underrate naruto characters and feats.

Originally posted by Remindme
It's not someone, It's Orochimaru, that's not someone. And if i recall correction Tsuande couldn't kill him in that state.

This is in Shippuden, are you actually saying going all out, you think Lee > Sasuke? if you say yes I'll give you a feat......but I#ll *****-slap you for being so silly

(Edit)

I need to go out, this feat puts Sasuke mish ahead of Lee, however, one of the plots more major spoilers

Sasuke Kills his brother, Uchiha Itachi Orochimaru wasn't nearly dead when he fought Tsunade and she could have killed him but she ran out of chakra and everything when she finally got a hold of him. Before that she was kept at bay by her fear of blood. Oh no Sasuke's going to beat Itachi....big deal. This is the same guy who had to kill Orochimaru when he was on his death bed and couldn't beat Deidara even though he had the element advantage to disarm all of Deidara's techiniques who both Itachi has beat easily. So that means little since it's obvious that Itachi shouldn't loose at all against Sasuke unless he lets Sasuke win.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yup. sasuke's shaaringan wud have noticed a clone. he didnt move because sasuke attacked too fast. and im not saying he is or isnt stronger than itachi. it does mean that he has grown since the last time thye met pre shippuden.



not really, sasuke was acting cool and collected as always, otherwise the artist cudnt draw the next scene with his chidori discharge cud he? plot device. and it was already shown before that sasuke not only terrified but also countered the most poweful and surprise attack/unexpected jutsus of sai. he actually did slice through yamato's mukotan jutsu. he was surprised later because he was concentrating on sealing and dismissing the kyuubi in naruto's soul HELLO, he spaced out in the real world and that surprised him because h wasnt paying attention. and no, all of them were trying to fight sasuke. only naruto wasnt.



yes, suigetsu is STRONG. one of the chief 4 test subjects of urochimaru. on the level of karin, the curse seal creator and kimimaru. sasuke recruited him to take on AKATSUKI, and he wants to battle kisame, doesnt that say sumthing about him? the sound 4 were taken down by some of the STRONGEST in konohakagura. they had already made good work of a few jounins bfore they left remember.



but he did infact slash tobi and didnt miss. its onlythat tobi got right back up, i mean hello, he commands PAIN, the god, rinnegan user who plans to create a jutsu that can destroy entire shinobi COUNTRIES off the face of the planet in less then a second. and do it again and again and again and again.

and first off, i was talking about hte OTHER explosions of c-3 before he used the sacrificial jutsu. those were also enormous{aleit not over 10 kilometres in radius}. and that is when sasuke flew to avoid them. n body flickered to behind a flying diedara.

secondly, sasuke clearly SAYS, that he bore the full brunt of the attack in the beginning, before he receided into the mouth of manda and manda suffered the later attack. and he was there until the explosion dissipated. it was MUCH AFTERWARDS that suigetsu used a summoning jutsu to summon manda and sasuke from the destruction zone.

i do see that you have a tendency to seriously underrate naruto characters and feats. Sasuke couldn't hit Deidara and now he's suppose to be able to easily kill Itachi moments later who is Deidara's superior? Yea that seems very likely that Itachi was really trying at all when he was following his every move.

The only reason he hit Yamato was because Sakura was an idiot and Yamato didn't know that Sasuke's sword would cut through his kunai. Also Sai does nothing but stop him from stabbing Naruto before he gets shocked. They weren't there to fight him.

And Suigetsu doesn't have a cursed seal and neither does Karin. The cursed seal mark doesn't make you powerful. And it says in the manga that the Jounin were worn out from their mission they had just come from and that they could have taken them had they not been. Nobody in that group of Genin were stronger than the Jounin with maybe the exception of Naruto with 1 tail and Cursed Seal lvl2 Sasuke but then again it's also a good possibility so is Lee with the Gates.

He slashed Tobi and from where the swing went it would have been deep yet there was no bleeding and Tobi was fin. And still Tobi has no feats of his own at all. Nobody knows what he can do or how strong he is except that he has a sharingan.

Which one do you mean? There is none that was big enough that he had to go miles away to avoid. The only one close to being like that was the one that is on a microscopic level and that was c4. Even then he used his Sharingan to try and full Deidara and didn't go miles away.

He and Manda took the hit before he did the move. Manda took most of it since he used Manda as a shield, and he was out of the area before Suigetsu summoned him. That's why the mark appeared on the seal that Suigetsu used.

I don't have a tendency to underrate Naruto at all. I just don't overrate Sasuke.

who said anything about killing? your just adding statement to make it seem like your original point wasnt countered, well it was. itachi wasnt following his moves when he stabbed him.




really, that is why they all rush in and get elctrocuted. that is why naruto said hes gonna bash him up and take him home? again your original point was contered.



LMAO, really? it doesnt make u powerful? well kishimoto ustv been on crack then. it never says in the manga that the jounin cud have taken the curse mark 2 sound nin. there are many jounin in naruto that are nowhere near the rookie 9. gaara/neiji/shimakaru/sasuke etc etc are far strongr than most jounin class. ibiki etc dont stand a chance. the only really powerful jounin are kakashi/gai etc. even asuma was done in by the immortal brothers, and you do remember what the rookie did to them dont you. most jounin are nuthing compared to the major youngsters.



thats because tobi is stronger than PAIN!!!!!!!!! anyway, whats the use of the statement? it doesnt counter my point does it. ur just trying to make it seem like a valid explanation when it has nuthing to do with the line of argument.



r u for real. c-3s alone were strong enough to destroy the city sized sand village. and were devestating large geographical areas.



huh. he took the hit, then etered in the mouth of manda. who tool the rest, they remained there for quite a while before suigetsu summoned them. and which mark are you talking about???



yea u do.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
who said anything about killing? your just adding statement to make it seem like your original point wasnt countered, well it was. itachi wasnt following his moves when he stabbed him.




really, that is why they all rush in and get elctrocuted. that is why naruto said hes gonna bash him up and take him home? again your original point was contered.



LMAO, really? it doesnt make u powerful? well kishimoto ustv been on crack then. it never says in the manga that the jounin cud have taken the curse mark 2 sound nin. there are many jounin in naruto that are nowhere near the rookie 9. gaara/neiji/shimakaru/sasuke etc etc are far strongr than most jounin class. ibiki etc dont stand a chance. the only really powerful jounin are kakashi/gai etc. even asuma was done in by the immortal brothers, and you do remember what the rookie did to them dont you. most jounin are nuthing compared to the major youngsters.



thats because tobi is stronger than PAIN!!!!!!!!! anyway, whats the use of the statement? it doesnt counter my point does it. ur just trying to make it seem like a valid explanation when it has nuthing to do with the line of argument.



r u for real. c-3s alone were strong enough to destroy the city sized sand village. and were devestating large geographical areas.



huh. he took the hit, then etered in the mouth of manda. who tool the rest, they remained there for quite a while before suigetsu summoned them. and which mark are you talking about???



yea u do. It shows Itachi following him with his eyes as he moves behing him and has his eyes looking over he just doesn't turn his head to actually face Sasuke.

They didn't rush Sasuke. Sasuke appears beside Naruto goes to stab him then Sai stops him. Yamato was about to do a technique as Naruto grabs Sasuke's other arm and then Sasuke shocks Sai and Naruto. Neither of them even begin to fight. Sakura rushed in yes and that's why she was an idiot. Yamato tried to block Kusunagi and that was why he got stabbed.

The Jonin that were attacked by the sound four were already out of most of their chakra and just back from a mission and that's the reason they got beat. It says this in the manga. Also Asuma was killed by Hidan because they didn't know all of his abilities at first. Shikamaru had time to plan for all that happened next fight. Shikamaru is the Batman of Naruto. Give him a bit of planning and he can at the least hold off people stronger than him for a long time and Shikamaru is by far not one of the strongest in the village.As for Kazuki...Kakashi was fighting him most of the time until Naruto came. All the genin are weaker than their parents or in Neji's case his uncle.

Because Tobi's stronger than Pein (even though that's not even known since Pein has eyes superior to Sharingan) he isn't going to bleed if he is cut? Who is to say that Tobi didn't dodge it and being Tobi acted like an idiot? That makes a lot more sense to me than him being hit by it and it doing nothing even though it goes all the way through.

The C3 do large damage but it isn't miles at all.

Sasuke says right before he used the jutsu to do the spacial warp he and Manda was hit by the explosion. So he'd have been in Manda as they were hit. And the mark on the scroll Suigetsu holds up. It is blank then a snake appears on it.

newsflash, you cant look at sum1 behind you without turning your head.



lol, defensive maneuvers to save one's life are no considered fighting now. just so you know none of them even had a CHANCE to do any offensive ones. the orders were clear, forcefully bring back sasuke. whatever the reason, they all did get attacked. and really, how can you say they didnt al rush him when all of them got hit by the close range chidori discharge?




the manga doesnt say that hey were out of most of their chakra. and reguardless of WHY asuma was killed, he WAS killed. and shikamaru wasnt, strength doesnt just mean pure power. as for kakuzu, kakashi was getting his ASS KICKED until naruto arrived. his only choice was mangekyo shaaringan which wud have incapacitated him. naruto took down the akatsuki which no normal jounin cud do. as far as the gennin comment goes, they are all atleast chuunin and neiji and shikamaru and temari are jounins while gaara is kazekage. u might wanna reconsider it because the NEW GENERATION IS KING.




tobi didnt dodge it because he wasnt SHOWN to dodge it. he got hit, fell back because of it and then got back up. there are many jutsus in naruto which wud protect against such an attack n stop bleeding. we dont know, but we do know he got hit.




utterly untrue, look at the scan of the blast that was supposed to take down the hidden village of sand. it is mileS wide. and gaara's sand contruct is similarly large. same goes for the c-3 explosions against sasuke.



u sound confused. sasuke didnt do ANY warp jutsu. he just summoned manda and entered his mouth after taking the first brunt of the attack and then manda took the rest. it was SUIGETSU who later summoned sasuke. sasuke did take the major attack, he said so himself.

This is insane....how can you possibly think shippuden Rock Lee stand a hope?

at this point Sasuke know better jutsu's, has more feats, is dealing with the same crowd alone (most of the time) and winning, He has a kekkai genkai that is awesome against taijutsu fighters, can copy their moves and speed.......

I don't understand how you can possibly beleive Rock Lee wins

Originally posted by Remindme
This is insane....how can you possibly think shippuden Rock Lee stand a hope?

at this point Sasuke know better jutsu's, has more feats, is dealing with the same crowd alone (most of the time) and winning, He has a kekkai genkai that is awesome against taijutsu fighters, can copy their moves and speed.......

I don't understand how you can possibly beleive Rock Lee wins Because Sasuke hasn't shown speed the speed of the Gates and the Sharingan isn't unbeatable, and having more jutsu doesn't mean anything at all. Originally posted by leonheartmm
newsflash, you cant look at sum1 behind you without turning your head.



lol, defensive maneuvers to save one's life are no considered fighting now. just so you know none of them even had a CHANCE to do any offensive ones. the orders were clear, forcefully bring back sasuke. whatever the reason, they all did get attacked. and really, how can you say they didnt al rush him when all of them got hit by the close range chidori discharge?




the manga doesnt say that hey were out of most of their chakra. and reguardless of WHY asuma was killed, he WAS killed. and shikamaru wasnt, strength doesnt just mean pure power. as for kakuzu, kakashi was getting his ASS KICKED until naruto arrived. his only choice was mangekyo shaaringan which wud have incapacitated him. naruto took down the akatsuki which no normal jounin cud do. as far as the gennin comment goes, they are all atleast chuunin and neiji and shikamaru and temari are jounins while gaara is kazekage. u might wanna reconsider it because the NEW GENERATION IS KING.




tobi didnt dodge it because he wasnt SHOWN to dodge it. he got hit, fell back because of it and then got back up. there are many jutsus in naruto which wud protect against such an attack n stop bleeding. we dont know, but we do know he got hit.




utterly untrue, look at the scan of the blast that was supposed to take down the hidden village of sand. it is mileS wide. and gaara's sand contruct is similarly large. same goes for the c-3 explosions against sasuke.



u sound confused. sasuke didnt do ANY warp jutsu. he just summoned manda and entered his mouth after taking the first brunt of the attack and then manda took the rest. it was SUIGETSU who later summoned sasuke. sasuke did take the major attack, he said so himself. Itachi followed Sasuke's movements. Just because he doesn't turn around to face him doesn't mean he doesn't know he's behind him when he follows him as far as his eyes will go without turning around. Sai and Naruto were the only two that got hit with the electric move. Sasuke had already come close to Naruto and was about to stab him when Sai stopped him. That's why they were shocked because Sasuke came to Naruto and Sai saved Naruto. Yamato wasn't hit with the electic field and neither was Sakura. Yamato was only hit by the sword because he protected Sakura who was about to try and fight Sasuke. They only one that began to fight was Sakura and Yamato but his jutsu was stopped by the electric field and Sakura was saved by Yamato.

Yes the manga does say that. It says they were tired and low on chakra after just finishing a mission and that's the only reason why they were like that. The guy with the long toothpick thing says it to Tsunade right before Gai comes running in and that a Jonin team should go help them. Yea it does matter why Asuma was killed and why Shikamaru wasn't. Shikamaru had time to analyze and think of a plan while Asuma nor Shikamaru didn't know the extent of Hidan's powers when Asuma was killed. Shikamaru may be on of the brightest in the village but he's also got low chakra. And Neji is the only Jonin of the original Genin. Shikamaru is only a Chunnin. Still that doesn't make them the strongest in the village. And Naruto has a healing factor, nearly unlimited chakra, and a hard head. Him beating Kazuki was luck plus he has a move superior to anything anybody else can do so one hit is all it takes to win a fight.

Yes, because there may be a jutsu to stop blood there suddenly is one. This is a guy that ran from whereever Deidara and Sasuke fought, which wasn't it in the Fire Country, to Rain Country in minutes and he couldn't have dodged it and made it seem as it hit him? This is also Tobi who is naive and doesn't like to show his power at all to people so he's not going to just swiftly dodge it like it's nothing.

What he used on Sand Village wasn't anything like he used on Sasuke at all...So what's the point? There were big explosions and the biggest one Sasuke just blocked with his Cursed Seal lvl2 Form he didn't dodge any mile wide blasts.

Sasuke used a jutsu to fly through a different space. He used Manda to absorb most of the attack. He wasn't sitting in that area where the blast went off until he was summoned. Suigetsu even says you used a jutsu to fly into a different space. It was just before he did he took the start of the blast while he was inside Manda. There's a reason he's alive and Manda isn't. He used Manda as a shield.

Wait what. That was not Itachi. That was pretty much nothing but a clone or a Genjutsu. Unless Itachi suddely got some freaky power to turn itno crows.

Teh sharingan does nto let you see that something is a clone. It does let you see the flow of chakra so you can try to guess if something is a clone. In dnd terms it allows you a saving throw where none would be allowed. So while someone with poor chakra control like Naruto might give themselves away easily Itachi's soul clone wouldn't even trigger it.

Even if you you want to say that it was Itachi. It is pretty obvious that he wasn't trying to kill him there jsut test his strength which is why he told him that the actual fight would happen later.

Sauske had to jump Orochimaru on his death bed, could barely beat Deidra and we're suppsoed to belive he offed ITachi becasue he killed a shadow clone/replacment jutsu?

Look I think Sasuke beats Lee but lets nto start making things up here.

Also I got to take Kento's side as far as this part of the argument goes cause you are majorly spinnging some things there Leonheart. The curse seal guys barely escpaed withtheir lives agaisnt two Jounin.

Aslo it is pretty obvious that Kakazu jobbed to Naruto. Not to take away form the Futon Rasengan but with his speed he should never have been hit by it.

Also the young guys are definetly NOT stronger than the Jounin. They maybe stronger than most Chunin but look back on the first time they fought Hidan and Kakazu what did Shikamrau do when they foudn out that Hidan was immortal. Nothing. When Ino and Choji showed up they didn't do anything either. It was the Jounin's crows that actually bought them some time.