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if jesus was god in human form hten was hitler the devil in human form

Originally posted by the welsh one
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if jesus was god in human form hten was hitler the devil in human form

I don't believe in the Devil. Also, Jesus was only God in the same way we are all God.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't believe in the Devil. Also, Jesus was only God in the same way we are all God. Not at all?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not at all?

Not at all.

I dont believe the devil exist.

Originally posted by the welsh one
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if jesus was god in human form hten was hitler the devil in human form

This should probably be closed. It seems ridiculously vague. Post religious theories?!

k then.

An interdimensional underwear salesman named Poopstain McHeartyPants started a website on a sub-ether frequency at the address http://girlsgonewild/chatroom463-wreckedlives/pornowebring.html during the period before the dawn of our universe. Many other universes had existed, and Mr. McHeartyPants was from one of the earliest.

He had traced all of Creation to a squid named Bob, who was the Cause of Causes, and the Alpha and Omega. The website was in his honor, and the quantum fluctuations created by the website influenced the material realm in the area that would be become our universe, and thus the universe was born, just as Tammy (one of the girls from the website) fingered herself and moaned the word "naughty". Thus was our universe created, with the extremely loud utterance of the word "naughty", for interdimensional businessmen whose wives had long since stopped giving them any.

Jesus is the son of Tammy, and the savior of the universe. The father is unknown, though is presumed to be a fat Japanese insurance salesman.

religious theories? impossible.

theories are based upon facts. correct or incorrect, they all begin as speculation of circumstances surrounding facts....based upon other facts. Since religion does not deal in fact, it deals in faith or belief (which by definition are not fact) it is impossible to have a religious theory.

most religions center around a diety. To theorize anything could ever be attributed to this diety, one must first prove the existence of this deity. Once proven to exist, this fact is taken into consideration of other facts to arrive at a cause-effect relationship. that would be a theory, correct or incorrect.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
religious theories? impossible.

theories are based upon facts. correct or incorrect, they all begin as speculation of circumstances surrounding facts....based upon other facts. Since religion does not deal in fact, it deals in faith or belief (which by definition are not fact) it is impossible to have a religious theory.

most religions center around a diety. To theorize anything could ever be attributed to this diety, one must first prove the existence of this deity. Once proven to exist, this fact is taken into consideration of other facts to arrive at a cause-effect relationship. that would be a theory, correct or incorrect.

Bob the Omni-Squid is not pleased with your answer.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Bob the Omni-Squid is not pleased with your answer.

Wouldn't Theology count as Religious Theories? By that I mean that if theories are base on fact....well, why did Buddha sat on a particular tree and meditated? What really happen to Mohammed during his journey into the night? and so on....

I don't believe Hitler was anything to do with the Devil at all.

Jesus never called himself God, and Hitler never called himself the Devil. Wasn't Hitler a type of Christian?

Someone told me that if I don't believe in the devil then I don't believe in the Judeo Christian God because i would be disregarding parts of the word of god. Since I'm their friend, I didn't have the heart to tell them that since i'm an atheist it doesn't matter to me....

*edit*
if hitler was the devil, wouldn't that have made him the antichrist?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Wouldn't Theology count as Religious Theories? By that I mean that if theories are base on fact....well, why did Buddha sat on a particular tree and meditated? What really happen to Mohammed during his journey into the night? and so on....

"Theory" is a broad term. Most religious theories would not qualify as scientific theories (which you alluded to by mentioning the need for facts) because many involve faith, don't follow a testable method for attempting to prove their beliefs, and don't always have facts to support their beliefs. Some do, though most are woefully missing. "Proof" of Jesus' life, for example (though also sketchy at best) doesn't = proof in the entirety of Christian theology...a massive leap of logic occurs, even if (a big if) they are able to justify the life of their central figure. The stories that you mentioned would be similar examples.

Buddhism might come closer to an accepted theory, because its proponents are fond of saying you can acheive their belief system through logic and reason. I'd still question it heavily, but at least they attempt to work from rational means.

Originally posted by debbiejo

Originally posted by Jbill311
Someone told me that if I don't believe in the devil then I don't believe in the Judeo Christian God because i would be disregarding parts of the word of god. Since I'm their friend, I didn't have the heart to tell them that since i'm an atheist it doesn't matter to me....



Nice.

You can believe whatever you want though. And don't be afraid to share your beliefs (or non-beliefs) with them if it comes up.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Wouldn't Theology count as Religious Theories? Isn't Theological school the study of religion(s)? Just a study of it? And Seminary Schools are also a study of it, but with a more denomination based bias. I believe a better study would be one of an Anthropology study. They should be taught intertwined. That way a student would get the WHOLE picture of what is being conveyed in the Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and time periods of what the semantics, idea substances, ideologies, and form references being spoken of in scripture.

as per definition, theories are based on facts. Since religion is based upon beliefs, which by defenition are not facts, there can be no religious theories. Religious guesses, religious faiths, religious beliefs....yes......theories, no.

Are all Theories based on facts? I always thought of theories as just non fact but speculations.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Are all Theories based on facts? I always thought of theories as just non fact but speculations.

Again, I think we're mixing definitions.

In a scientific sense, a theory can be unsupported by facts. But if it isn't quickly justified with empirical findings, it is thrown out. Religions cling to it regardless of evidence (or in spite of evidence against it).

my theory: this thread is retarded, and tom cruise is the antichrist.

edit: lemme change that to mel gibson

nah, ah.......I've met the antichrist beast. He wears panties and uses tampons........He calls himself a christian......but really he sucks big time. He's probably reading this too........."Hi antichrist beast"

*waves*

Really now, you shouldn't wear your mothers underware.

He's so obsessed with me.....hahahahha

wouldnt dream of it mi amiga. although antichrist would be fun to torture.

Yes...

That's what angels are for...

Kill the bloody thing.

no not killl torture. just splash it with holy water over and over and over

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't believe in the Devil. Also, Jesus was only God in the same way we are all God.

Depends if your a Christian, Muslim, Jew or something else doesn't it?

NO, that would be the wrong answer, what a person believes does not change the fact! You might believe George Bush is a Lizard but that doesn't mean he is,

Thus, if Christianity is correct then Jesus was God and there is a Devil. If Judaism is correct then Jesus wasn't God and there is a Devil, if Atheists are correct then he was just a man and there is no Devil etc etc etc.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
no not killl torture. just splash it with holy water over and over and over Sounds good to me.......

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Depends if your a Christian, Muslim, Jew or something else doesn't it?

NO, that would be the wrong answer, what a person believes does not change the fact! You might believe George Bush is a Lizard but that doesn't mean he is,

Thus, if Christianity is correct then Jesus was God and there is a Devil. If Judaism is correct then Jesus wasn't God and there is a Devil, if Atheists are correct then he was just a man and there is no Devil etc etc etc.

By believing in the devil, the devil becomes real to you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
By believing in the devil, the devil becomes real to you.

If the Devil isn't real...even if you believe in him...he isn't real...you might think he is and react as if he was real psychologically...but that just means your off in the head...even if your just a tiny tiny bit...psychosomatics or something isn't it?

Of course, if he is real and you believe in him then its not psychosomatic...

Nah, the devil doesn't like it when you want to leave......lol

or religious which is a shorter version of that term

Originally posted by anaconda
or religious which is a shorter version of that term

Unless the religion is real...but seriously, don't be a dick. If you want to partake sensibly then do, don't take pot shots at people for what they believe its just stupid- especially when you have no real way of proving anything anyway...

even Scientologists

Partake like in the Bread?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Partake like in the Bread?

Yes...sure...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If the Devil isn't real...even if you believe in him...he isn't real...you might think he is and react as if he was real psychologically...but that just means your off in the head...even if your just a tiny tiny bit...psychosomatics or something isn't it?

Of course, if he is real and you believe in him then its not psychosomatic...

I really believe that the devil is not a real being, but a metaphor for the evil that a people can do. The main problem with believing in a devil is that it allows people a way of skirting reasonability for the things they do.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I really believe that the devil is not a real being, but a metaphor for the evil that a people can do. The main problem with believing in a devil is that it allows people a way of skirting reasonability for the things they do. The devil is really a little mouse with silk panties.

ass of proof all I need to say there is no god, dont have to prove the non existing............and until hard evidence of a god meaning this deity comes down and personally shake my hand I will treat believers the same way they treat the non believers.....

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I really believe that the devil is not a real being, but a metaphor for the evil that a people can do.

I know you don't believe in him, the point I'm making is that your belief doesn't effect his existence, he either is or isn't.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The main problem with believing in a devil is that it allows people a way of skirting reasonability for the things they do.

Does it?

indeed, but its an it not a he

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I know you don't believe in him, the point I'm making is that your belief doesn't effect his existence, he either is or isn't.



Does it?

Have you ever heard the expression: "the devil made me do it"?

Originally posted by anaconda
ass of proof all I need to say there is no god, dont have to prove the non existing............and until hard evidence of a god meaning this deity comes down and personally shake my hand I will treat believers the same way they treat the non believers.....

I wasn't asking you to treat believers any different, I was just hoping that you might extend some courtesy to the people of KMC. Noone likes a conceded self-righteous 'I know it all' person. Im not saying your that type of person, but the two sweeping generlisations of a religious people plus the statement that your like that to everyone create that image.

Originally posted by anaconda
indeed, but its an it not a he

That depends if he/she/it has a gender or not doesn't it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Have you ever heard the expression: "the devil made me do it"?
People who say that used to get burned.

But I know my gender.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
That depends if he/she/it has a gender or not doesn't it.


People who say that used to get burned.

And who burned them?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And who burned them?

The Church of Rome!

Wooooooooooo!

i extend courtesy to the ones who deserve it

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The Church of Rome!

Wooooooooooo! Have a Mass; Pray them out!

Look, I used a semi colon.

the gods that have gender are named as hes/shes, gods that aint of earth how do we tell their gender

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The Church of Rome!

Wooooooooooo!

And the Church of Rome is?

The Pope!

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And the Church of Rome is?

I think you know. We've probably talked about it before.

Originally posted by anaconda
i extend courtesy to the ones who deserve it
I see, do you deserve it?

Originally posted by anaconda
the gods that have gender are named as hes/shes, gods that aint of earth how do we tell their gender
Imago Dei.

Originally posted by debbiejo
The Pope!
Shhhhhhh Its a trap!

Gods real name is EL....i.e. No gender.

Who knows for certain...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I think you know. We've probably talked about it before...

Please indulge me, I'm so forgetful.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Please indulge me, I'm so forgetful.

The Roman Catholic Church?

that aint up to me to deceide

yeah but still the image of god doesnt say what gender it is (he/she) as long as the gender aint specified its an it

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The Roman Catholic Church?

And would you say that The Roman Catholic Church is a Christian church?

Originally posted by anaconda
that aint up to me to deceide

By your criteria do you believe you are?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And would you say that The Roman Catholic Church is a Christian church?

Yes...its the original one...well...yeah this is for another thread.

again it aint up to me to deceide

Originally posted by anaconda
again it aint up to me to deceide

Surely your capable of saying if you were someone else, would you extend the user anaconda courtesy?

I can not look uppon myself as I look upon others, for some I would get that courtesy and for some I certainly wont, thats just the way it is and one has to accept it.
But to give you what you want, people who reply very much like me here on KMC gets my courtesy

Originally posted by anaconda
I can not look uppon myself as I look upon others, for some I would get that courtesy and for some I certainly wont, thats just the way it is and one has to accept it.
But to give you what you want, people who reply very much like me here on KMC gets my courtesy

Circular entrapment of egos then...

Well he's pretty courteous.

Does it depend on whether you agree with him or not?

pretty common in fact

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Does it depend on whether you agree with him or not? Well, I never push my beliefs on him.

Originally posted by anaconda
pretty common in fact

Doesn't excuse it though.

what does and is it nedded

Yes. I think that Absolute Authority would be able to excuse it. However, that gets into the moral argument and thats just rubbish.

no cause if I wanna travel I go by car or a plane, not a broomstick

Originally posted by anaconda
no cause if I wanna travel I go by car or a plane, not a broomstick Well, I gave that up......I use those for decoration now...

economical though

Fun too.

Now, I just have an out of body experience........No baggage needed.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Fun too.

Now, I just have an out of body experience........No baggage needed.

More like out of mind experience.

The weathers nicer though..

Originally posted by debbiejo
The weathers nicer though..

my theory: god hates all humans, and hell would be the only place everyone goes if a spirit world exists

edit: or it will be like an anime and some will be recruited to fight demons

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No wind!

iv got a religious theory:

i think that virgin mary did not see an angel and get pregnant with no sex (bet joseph wernt happy)

i think that mary was a **** and slept with some other guy and just made up the crap about the angel and stuff

Originally posted by debbiejo
Jesus never called himself God, and Hitler never called himself the Devil. Wasn't Hitler a type of Christian? Yes. He was catholic. And just like 90% percent of catholics, we're a non-practicing bunch. But hey...don't let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch, eh?

Then again, the devil is an angel so that just makes it even more complex

why would god create angels anyway. With just one word, god can create. God wouldn't need any angel to do it's bidding.

angels are servants. i liked how the movie dogma put it. angels feel pain without the presence of god, where as humans can ignore it. angels were created and god then perfected it with humans. i dont rly see tyhe use of them i also dont understand why god didnt erase satan in ur silly little religion JIA

Originally posted by chickenlover98
angels are servants. i liked how the movie dogma put it. angels feel pain without the presence of god, where as humans can ignore it. angels were created and god then perfected it with humans. i dont rly see tyhe use of them i also dont understand why god didnt erase satan in ur silly little religion JIA

If you want to waste your time talking to JIA, go ahead. But you won't do it on this thread. JIA hasn't even posted here, as far as I can tell.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/search.php?action=showresults&q=userid%3A96821

k whatever. i hold that opinion to all users. you dont have to respond to the commment by refering me to a user. if u disagree or agree post it regardless

Sorry. I was just wondering whether you thing of all Christians the way you think of JIA.

To answer your question about Satan though (assuming Satan exists of course), he has an essential role in the purpose of life...which includes a test of the reactions of individuals to evil. But that is just Mormon belief. I don't know about the rest of the Christian denominations. I wouldn't be surprised to see the beliefs are the same...but I don't know.

Originally posted by Quark_666
Sorry. I was just wondering whether you thing of all Christians the way you think of JIA.

To answer your question about Satan though (assuming Satan exists of course), he has an essential role in the purpose of life...which includes a test of the reactions of individuals to evil. But that is just Mormon belief. I don't know about the rest of the Christian denominations. I wouldn't be surprised to see the beliefs are the same...but I don't know.

the idea of satan is rediculus. eternal torture for stealing say... a pencil. are you KIDDING ME. thats wwhy it seems over the top

Originally posted by the welsh one
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if jesus was god in human form hten was hitler the devil in human form

LOL @ thories.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
LOL @ thories.

dude first black poster ive met. i just ****in realized that

Originally posted by chickenlover98
the idea of satan is rediculus. eternal torture for stealing say... a pencil. are you KIDDING ME. thats wwhy it seems over the top

That is simply another misunderstanding of the Christian faith, though I suppose that is a pretty understandable misunderstanding, so I'll just clarify it for you. For most Christian religions, the criteria for heaven or hell (or for a few religions, kingdoms between the two) is far less mechanical for that. Stealing a pencil...that might be a sin if you were stealing it out of hate. But I seriously don't know anybody who thinks to himself, "let's play revenge the cruel way today...I'm gonna steal that jerk's pencil...yeah, that's what happens to people who mess with me...they loose their pencils..."

To sum it up, mindset holds as much weight as action. Only a lunatic who thinks a pencil matters that much can become a sinner because of it.

Originally posted by Quark_666
That is simply another misunderstanding of the Christian faith, though I suppose that is a pretty understandable misunderstanding, so I'll just clarify it for you. For most Christian religions, the criteria for heaven or hell (or for a few religions, kingdoms between the two) is far less mechanical for that. Stealing a pencil...that might be a sin if you were stealing it out of hate. But I seriously don't know anybody who thinks to himself, "let's play revenge the cruel way today...I'm gonna steal that jerk's pencil...yeah, that's what happens to people who mess with me...they loose their pencils..."

To sum it up, mindset holds as much weight as action. Only a lunatic who thinks a pencil matters that much can become a sinner because of it.

I would say that mindset or intentions are far more important then actions. Jesus said, and I paraphrase, if you think of doing a sin, you have already done the sin.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I would say that mindset or intentions are far more important then actions. Jesus said, and I paraphrase, if you think of doing a sin, you have already done the sin.

exactly why free will isnt real. if you have big brother watching, you arent free. i hate religion because of the contradictions.

also quark i hear conflicting views on this one. some say if you repent for your sins, then you can go to heave. what if i murdered 900 people and repent? am i forgiven? if so BULLSHIT