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lord xyz
Seems like an oxymoron to me, but it is a political party. Anyone care to inform me of what the actual policies behind this are?

As far as I know: It's to with some races being higher than others.

dadudemon
Originally posted by lord xyz
Seems like an oxymoron to me, but it is a political party. Anyone care to inform me of what the actual policies behind this are?

As far as I know: It's to with some races being higher than others.

See Nazism.


Next question please.

Schecter
Originally posted by dadudemon
See Nazism.


Next question please.

you watch dora the explorer alot, dont you?
i bet you pwn that shit, huh?

lord xyz
Originally posted by dadudemon
See Nazism.


Next question please. That has too much association with anti-semitism. Also, not to sound ignorant, but was Hitler really a socialist?

Schecter
Originally posted by lord xyz
That has too much association with anti-semitism. Also, not to sound ignorant, but was Hitler really a socialist?

was stalin really a socialist?

inimalist
Originally posted by lord xyz
That has too much association with anti-semitism. Also, not to sound ignorant, but was Hitler really a socialist?

I'm no expert, but my understanding is, aside from the genocide, Hitler was fairly socialist.

lord xyz
Originally posted by inimalist
I'm no expert, but my understanding is, aside from the genocide, Hitler was fairly socialist. Probably was. But, if he was, why was he against Marxism?

inimalist
Originally posted by lord xyz
Probably was. But, if he was, why was he against Marxism?

lol, your guess is as good as mine.

debbiejo
*Goes to read Animal Farm again*


edit, well in truth, the first time I'd read it, I really thought it was about animals living on a farm....It was sooooo confusing.. blink

lord xyz
Originally posted by inimalist
lol, your guess is as good as mine. Hitler wasn't a Nazi then!

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by lord xyz
Hitler wasn't a Nazi then!

Re-write history...got I love it!

Devil King
The missing word here is Fascism

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by lord xyz
Hitler wasn't a Nazi then!


I never thought much about Hitler or socialism, until I learned more about the occult, group-telepathic mind, etc.

I don't consider him a Nazi, I consider him being a puppet for the Nazi party.


Think of it this way, aprox 7.5 million Germans died for the third reich, so one may argue that the Nazi party was commiting genoicide against it's own. (aprox 5.7 million Jews died). 75 million ppl died in that war. 75 million.

Here's a propaganda video (it's meant to be cheeky):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otjftcsJ--k


And take note of the connection with Buddhism (from the swastika, the prostate harms to bless someone, the hand up to remotely bless a person, the buddhist flag, etc.) and the women seem to be facing east when doing their exercises (sounds very much like buddhism).

chillmeistergen
Originally posted by debbiejo
*Goes to read Animal Farm again*


edit, well in truth, the first time I'd read it, I really thought it was about animals living on a farm....It was sooooo confusing.. blink

Dick.

Fire
I think your best bed it to read up on Nazism. Although it's National Socialism with a small twist, it comes close to it.

Strangelove
Originally posted by lord xyz
Seems like an oxymoron to me, but it is a political party. Anyone care to inform me of what the actual policies behind this are?

As far as I know: It's to with some races being higher than others. Well the word "Nazi" came from the National Socialist Party of Germany....

Kram3r
National Socialism was for the unification of all the people to strength the nation, no matter what their class was. This was to strength Nation pride, to brainwash the masses, if you will, into getting behind German whether it be in the military, munitions factories or government. There are videos that were used as propaganda that show Hitler and other wealthy elites eating stuff like bread and soup ("commoner's meals"wink with the middle class and the poor to show how unified Germany was. This is what Hitler took from Socialism.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Fire
I think your best bed it to read up on Nazism. Although it's National Socialism with a small twist, it comes close to it. I tried, but it said the ideologies was anti-semitism. What the **** has "National Socialism" got to do with anti-semitism? (Rhetorical question).

Originally posted by Kram3r
National Socialism was for the unification of all the people to strength the nation, no matter what their class was. This was to strength Nation pride, to brainwash the masses, if you will, into getting behind German whether it be in the military, munitions factories or government. There are videos that were used as propaganda that show Hitler and other wealthy elites eating stuff like bread and soup ("commoner's meals"wink with the middle class and the poor to show how unified Germany was. This is what Hitler took from Socialism. Well that makes sense. And how does Fascism come into all this?

Kram3r
Originally posted by lord xyz
Well that makes sense. And how does Fascism come into all this?

Well Fascism is the ideology that considers the masses as subordinates of the state. The point of Fascism is national unity based upon whether it be cultural, ethical or racial. Hitler used the treaty of Versailles as a treaty that tore down national pride, etc. Hitler brought the unity to a socialist level by seemingly integrating the rich with poor at these dinners, it was staged. He wasn't really socialist at all. He just used it in the party's name to appeal to the working class so they could get elected into the Reich stag (German government).

lord xyz
Originally posted by Kram3r
Well Fascism is the ideology that considers the masses as subordinates of the state. The point of Fascism is national unity based upon whether it be cultural, ethical or racial. Hitler used the treaty of Versailles as a treaty that tore down national pride, etc. Hitler brought the unity to a socialist level by seemingly integrating the rich with poor at these dinners, it was staged. He wasn't really socialist at all. He just used it in the party's name to appeal to the working class so they could get elected into the Reich stag (German government). So he used Socialistic views to get votes. Okay. And he was a racist. Okay. Something tells me that Hitler wasn't a racist, and that he was a puppet to the real racists running the show, but rather I not go into the whole conspiracy stuff.

Kram3r
Originally posted by lord xyz
So he used Socialistic views to get votes. Okay. And he was a racist. Okay. Something tells me that Hitler wasn't a racist, and that he was a puppet to the real racists running the show, but rather I not go into the whole conspiracy stuff.

No, Hitler ran the show. He transformed the Nazi, he wrote Mein Kampf and all his views were shaped early on before he was even in a party.

Fire
Hitler was a puppet of what or who? I'm curious to see where you got this idea from.

Truth be told Kramer He didn't write Mein Kampf all alone, but close enough though smile

lord xyz
Okay. There are stories that American Bankers such as the Rockefellers the Forbes (probably), the Harrimans and the Bushes were the reason Hitler rose to power. Not only that, but all the Jewish people's money went to them.

Chase Manhatten Bank, Harriman Bank and others seized the deposits of the Jewish supremacy, then ordered Hitler to tell them to do it.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3579.html More to the story here.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm Bush's involvement is no secret!

http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=8795795223394289910&esrc=sr2&ev=v&len=589&q=prescott%2Bbush%2Bnazi&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.co.uk%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D8795795223394289910& amp;vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D8795795223394289
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As for the others, google search their banks in Europe. There is many little facts that show they used Hitler to steal money from the holocaust victims.

inimalist
Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay. There are stories that American Bankers such as the Rockefellers the Forbes (probably), the Harrimans and the Bushes were the reason Hitler rose to power. Not only that, but all the Jewish people's money went to them.

Chase Manhatten Bank, Harriman Bank and others seized the deposits of the Jewish supremacy, then ordered Hitler to tell them to do it.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3579.html More to the story here.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm Bush's involvement is no secret!

http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=8795795223394289910&esrc=sr2&ev=v&len=589&q=prescott%2Bbush%2Bnazi&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.co.uk%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D8795795223394289910& amp;vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D8795795223394289
910%26q%3Dprescott%2Bbush%2Bnazi%26total%3D306%26s
tart%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26pli
ndex%3D1&usg=AL29H22By2ikCqfpgLbApBnPM7KiJhm9ZA Newspaper evidence!

As for the others, google search their banks in Europe. There is many little facts that show they used Hitler to steal money from the holocaust victims.

lol

ok, thats the illuminati conspiracy theory, lol smile

lord xyz
Originally posted by inimalist
lol

ok, thats the illuminati conspiracy theory, lol smile Neg. Illuminati conspiracy theory is one world government within the US and other governments. I do not believe that.

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by debbiejo
*Goes to read Animal Farm again*


edit, well in truth, the first time I'd read it, I really thought it was about animals living on a farm....It was sooooo confusing.. blink


smile ur funny


Originally posted by Kram3r
National Socialism was for the unification of all the people to strength the nation, no matter what their class was. This was to strength Nation pride, to brainwash the masses, if you will, into getting behind German whether it be in the military, munitions factories or government. There are videos that were used as propaganda that show Hitler and other wealthy elites eating stuff like bread and soup ("commoner's meals"wink with the middle class and the poor to show how unified Germany was. This is what Hitler took from Socialism.

the way you defined socialism, i wonder if racism is a type of socialism. i mean, if you are within a color-caste, and you accept everyone in that color case regardless of class, isn't that a color-coded-socialist movement?


Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay. There are stories that American Bankers such as the Rockefellers the Forbes (probably), the Harrimans and the Bushes were the reason Hitler rose to power. Not only that, but all the Jewish people's money went to them.

Chase Manhatten Bank, Harriman Bank and others seized the deposits of the Jewish supremacy, then ordered Hitler to tell them to do it.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3579.html More to the story here.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm Bush's involvement is no secret!

http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=8795795223394289910&esrc=sr2&ev=v&len=589&q=prescott%2Bbush%2Bnazi&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.co.uk%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D8795795223394289910& amp;vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D8795795223394289
910%26q%3Dprescott%2Bbush%2Bnazi%26total%3D306%26s
tart%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26pli
ndex%3D1&usg=AL29H22By2ikCqfpgLbApBnPM7KiJhm9ZA Newspaper evidence!

As for the others, google search their banks in Europe. There is many little facts that show they used Hitler to steal money from the holocaust victims.

This is going to piss alot of ppl off, but here we go.

1. I still wonder about the connection between Nazi and Ashkanazi, but again, everytime this is mentioned, it's like viscious back lashing.

2. I understand that Jews don't see themselves as one, there are ethnic conflicts within based on family name and looks/ethnic looks, some look more Arab and others look more mulatto (like mixed with black), others look more Indian, and others look more European.

3. Ashkanazi's looked much more European, maybe the Jews who died were the ones who looked more ethnic (yet wealthy) and maybe the Ashkanazis used whites/nordics by boosting their ego, to get strength in numbers.

4. Maybe they worship a demi-god that needs blood to give them power, and they needed a sacrifice to continue in power?

5. Why do ppl get upset when someone talks of Hilter's Jewish mother? Seriously.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Strangelove
Well the word "Nazi" came from the National Socialist Party of Germany.... National Socialist German Workers Party even.


But Shakespeare planned ahead and he has the answer: "What's in a name"

debbiejo
A Rose.

inimalist
Originally posted by Bardock42
"What's in a name"

Semantic priming wink

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by debbiejo
A Rose.

And a rose by any other name is just as sweet.

Bardock42
Originally posted by debbiejo
A Rose. Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
And a rose by any other name is just as sweet. Way to miss the point, gals.

lord xyz
The name you give something, doesn't change what it is?

Bardock42
Originally posted by lord xyz
The name you give something, doesn't change what it is? Exactly.


National Socialism was a sort of Fascism, that it had Socialism in its name didn't mean anything.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Bardock42
Exactly.


National Socialism was a sort of Fascism, that it had Socialism in its name didn't mean anything. So it's a lie! And calling them Nazis is actually false! Okay. Now going back to my original question, what are the actual policies behind National Socialism?

debbiejo
A thought put into action and putting a label on it.

Bardock42
Originally posted by lord xyz
So it's a lie! And calling them Nazis is actually false! Okay. Now going back to my original question, what are the actual policies behind National Socialism? Not really.

Calling them Nazis is correct as that was the name they were called by.

Anyways this is sort of what they stated themselves:

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP_25_points_manifesto


The Anti-Semitism and Anti-Communism were very important to their political ideas though.

debbiejo
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Dick. I see the mirror is scaring you there bud. Breathe deeply and suck yours in...........

lord xyz
Originally posted by Bardock42
Not really.

Calling them Nazis is correct as that was the name they were called by.

Anyways this is sort of what they stated themselves:

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP_25_points_manifesto


The Anti-Semitism and Anti-Communism were very important to their political ideas though. Are you mocking me?

Bardock42
Originally posted by lord xyz
Are you mocking me?

N-no.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Schecter
you watch dora the explorer alot, dont you?
i bet you pwn that shit, huh?

1. Welcome back to my world.

2. I don't get the above statements...I am too ignorant to get that reference...seriously so double pwnage on your part.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Bardock42
N-no. I just take the simple wiki thing as an insult.

Okay, they're Nazis, but they aren't National Socialists.

Bardock42
Originally posted by lord xyz
I just take the simple wiki thing as an insult.

Okay, they're Nazis, but they aren't National Socialists.

It wasn't available in other forms on Wikipedia.

I suppose the simple refers to the skill of the translator not the reader.


And they called themselves National Socialist German Workers Party.

They are the National Socialists. To call them that makes sense....since that's what they are.

debbiejo
LEAVE THE GERMANS ALONE..........lol.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Bardock42
It wasn't available in other forms on Wikipedia.

I suppose the simple refers to the skill of the translator not the reader.


And they called themselves National Socialist German Workers Party.

They are the National Socialists. To call them that makes sense....since that's what they are. Okay, Nazis are National Socialist. But National Socialists aren't Nazis.

Bardock42
Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, Nazis are National Socialist. But National Socialists aren't Nazis.

And you base that on?



"Many political parties in various contexts have referred to themselves as National Socialist parties. Because there is no clear definition of national socialism, the term has been used to mean very different things. Since the rise of German Nazism, which called itself "National Socialism", the term has been used in Europe and North America almost exclusively by political parties with racial nationalist views.

However, in other parts of the world, which had little contact with German Nazism, the term "National Socialism" is sometimes used by parties that define themselves as socialist and patriotic, without being racist. In addition, the term was also used by non-racist groups in Europe before the rise of Nazism"

Wikipedia.

Zebedee
Originally posted by debbiejo
LEAVE THE GERMANS ALONE..........lol.

Boring! A thread about Nazi Germany! Hitler had some good ideas though!

Bardock42
Originally posted by Zebedee
Boring! A thread about Nazi Germany! Hitler had some good ideas though!

"...say what you want about Hitler, but..."

Zebedee
Originally posted by Bardock42
"...say what you want about Hitler, but..."

he had some good ideas.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Zebedee
he had some good ideas. Yeah, I was just referring to the excellence of this as a conversation starter.

Also, refferring to a Stewart Lee joke.

Zebedee
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I was just referring to the excellence of this as a conversation starter.

Also, refferring to a Stewart Lee joke.

A bit cerebral for me today. After I got in last night from watching the rugby world cup on telly at the pub and drank at a "lock in", I couldn't sleep and came on here half cut. My head is in no state for intelligent conversation, sorry Bardock.

That's why i'm posting on KMC.

Tell me the Stewart Lee joke. I haven't heard it.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Zebedee
A bit cerebral for me today. After I got in last night from watching the rugby world cup on telly at the pub and drank at a "lock in", I couldn't sleep and came on here half cut. My head is in no state for intelligent conversation, sorry Bardock.

That's why i'm posting on KMC.

Tell me the Stewart Lee joke. I haven't heard it. Oh, he was just talking about how he was exposed to enough racism at Christmas at home where every conversation starts with "...say what you want about Hitler, but...", it's not really retellable, was a situation thing.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Bardock42
However, in other parts of the world, which had little contact with German Nazism, the term "National Socialism" is sometimes used by parties that define themselves as socialist and patriotic, without being racist. In addition, the term was also used by non-racist groups in Europe before the rise of Nazism"

Wikipedia. Originally posted by lord xyz
National Socialists aren't Nazis.

Bardock42
Originally posted by lord xyz


M-many, if not most are.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Bardock42
M-many, if not most are. happy

Zebedee
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, he was just talking about how he was exposed to enough racism at Christmas at home where every conversation starts with "...say what you want about Hitler, but...", it's not really retellable, was a situation thing.

I think I can picture it wink Sounds funny.

smile

Devil King
Originally posted by lord xyz
he was a puppet

There's a huge difference between being a puppet and people agreeing with your rhetoric. Many, many of the companies and families you mentioned absolutely had connections to the Nazi party. Those groups poured money into Nazi coffers. But it wasn't the holocaust they planned on profiting from, it was war.

One of the things most people don't realize in regards to the holocaust, was the numerous efforts made the the Reich to export the Jews. Boat loads of them were shipped off to other countries prior to the extermination camps. What happened? They were shipped right back to Germany. The governments of the world knew full-well how the Nazi party felt about Jews, but turned they away in spite of it. This is where all the Jewish-guilt came from when they decided to fu*k up the world and establish Israel.

As for National Socialism, it represents a centralized authoritarian, military state where, what we would call big buisness, is owned and controlled by the government...all the while operating on the assumption that one race is morally, physically and intellectually superior to all others. Nazism was concieved by a small group of fanatical anti-semites who ranged from economists to former army officers. When Hitler came along in 1920, he reformed the party, renamed it and slowly started to grow it. In the truest sense, nazis aren't traditional socialists.

There are nationalists and there are socialists. But national socialists are Nazis and Nazis are national socialists.

Zebedee
Originally posted by Devil King
There's a huge difference between being a puppet and people agreeing with your rhetoric. Many, many of the companies and families you mentioned absolutely had connections to the Nazi party. Those groups poured money into Nazi coffers. But it wasn't the holocaust they planned on profiting from, it was war.

One of the things most people don't realize in regards to the holocaust, was the numerous efforts made the the Reich to export the Jews. Boat loads of them were shipped off to other countries prior to the extermination camps. What happened? They were shipped right back to Germany. The governments of the world knew full-well how the Nazi party felt about Jews, but turned they away in spite of it. This is where all the Jewish-guilt came from when they decided to fu*k up the world and establish Israel.

As for National Socialism, it represents a centralized authoritarian, military state where, what we would call big buisness, is owned and controlled by the government...all the while operating on the assumption that one race is morally, physically and intellectually superior to all others. Nazism was concieved by a small group of fanatical anti-semites who ranged from economists to former army officers. When Hitler came along in 1920, he reformed the party, renamed it and slowly started to grow it. In the truest sense, nazis aren't traditional socialists.

There are nationalists and there are socialists. But national socialists are Nazis and Nazis are national socialists.

What's the holocaust all about Devil King?

Devil King
Originally posted by Zebedee
What's the holocaust all about Devil King?

The systematic extermination of the Jews.

Zebedee
Originally posted by Devil King
The systematic extermination of the Jews.


I see. Why did anyone want to do that?

Must have sucked to have been Jewish. You're not jewish are you? If your not I guess you'd have been fine?

lord xyz
Originally posted by Devil King
There's a huge difference between being a puppet and people agreeing with your rhetoric. Many, many of the companies and families you mentioned absolutely had connections to the Nazi party. Those groups poured money into Nazi coffers. But it wasn't the holocaust they planned on profiting from, it was war.

One of the things most people don't realize in regards to the holocaust, was the numerous efforts made the the Reich to export the Jews. Boat loads of them were shipped off to other countries prior to the extermination camps. What happened? They were shipped right back to Germany. The governments of the world knew full-well how the Nazi party felt about Jews, but turned they away in spite of it. This is where all the Jewish-guilt came from when they decided to fu*k up the world and establish Israel.

As for National Socialism, it represents a centralized authoritarian, military state where, what we would call big buisness, is owned and controlled by the government...all the while operating on the assumption that one race is morally, physically and intellectually superior to all others. Nazism was concieved by a small group of fanatical anti-semites who ranged from economists to former army officers. When Hitler came along in 1920, he reformed the party, renamed it and slowly started to grow it. In the truest sense, nazis aren't traditional socialists.

There are nationalists and there are socialists. But national socialists are Nazis and Nazis are national socialists. Actually, the idea of Israel came before WW1, during the time of the Ottoman Empire. Also, them profiting from the War is still bad, and where did the money from the dead people go?

Devil King
Originally posted by Zebedee
I see. Why did anyone want to do that?

Must have sucked to have been Jewish. You're not jewish are you? If your not I guess you'd have been fine?

I'm not going to feed you. I'm fully aware of the other groups involved in the holocaust. And I'm certainly aware that I would have been among those sent off to the camps, despite not being Jewish.


Originally posted by lord xyz
Actually, the idea of Israel came before WW1, during the time of the Ottoman Empire. Also, them profiting from the War is still bad, and where did the money from the dead people go?

The idea of Israel has been around for a long time. But the idea of Israel isn't my point. Why it was finally established is, however.

And a lot of the wealth from the camp inmates is still sitting in numbered Swiss bank accounts.

Zebedee
Originally posted by Devil King
I'm not going to feed you. I'm fully aware of the other groups involved in the holocaust. And I'm certainly aware that I would have been among those sent off to the camps, despite not being Jewish.



W-what? W-who? W-why?

Devil King
D-d-d-d-d-did I stud-d-d-d-d-der?

Zebedee
Originally posted by Devil King
D-d-d-d-d-did I stud-d-d-d-d-der?

Y-yes

lord xyz
Originally posted by Devil King
I'm not going to feed you. I'm fully aware of the other groups involved in the holocaust. And I'm certainly aware that I would have been among those sent off to the camps, despite not being Jewish.




The idea of Israel has been around for a long time. But the idea of Israel isn't my point. Why it was finally established is, however.

And a lot of the wealth from the camp inmates is still sitting in numbered Swiss bank accounts. Israel came about due to Zionist terrorists forcing the UK out. Truman and Attlee then made the agreement of Israel, under the "returning to home" thing. Which is a lie. All or most israelis come from the Khazars, a tribe who converted to Judaism. The Khazars never even set foot in Palestine!

Devil King
Originally posted by lord xyz
Israel came about due to Zionist terrorists forcing the UK out. Truman and Attlee then made the agreement of Israel, under the "returning to home" thing. Which is a lie. All or most israelis come from the Khazars, a tribe who converted to Judaism. The Khazars never even set foot in Palestine!

The specifics, however, are clearly not my point. But they're not my point because they clearly don't matter to the "Zionists", either. We can slice and dice the specifics of muslim history and diversity the same way.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Devil King
The specifics, however, are clearly not my point. But they're not my point because they clearly don't matter to the "Zionists", either. We can slice and dice the specifics of muslim history and diversity the same way. It's probably just me, but I see this as a diversion from what we've already discussed.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by lord xyz
That has too much association with anti-semitism. Also, not to sound ignorant, but was Hitler really a socialist?

Nazi is short for National Socialist.


Besides, you can be a Nationalist and still a Socialist...look at Ho Chi Min.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Nazi is short for National Socialist.


Besides, you can be a Nationalist and still a Socialist...look at Ho Chi Min. Yes I know, but I said National Socialist to try and avoid what they fought for in the war. It didn't work.

Grand_Moff_Gav
That could be because...they are the same thing...

lord xyz
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
That could be because...they are the same thing... That matter has been debated earlier in the thread, and has been confirmed by the opposing side that they are NOT the same thing.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Bardock42
It wasn't available in other forms on Wikipedia.

I suppose the simple refers to the skill of the translator not the reader.


And they called themselves National Socialist German Workers Party.

They are the National Socialists. To call them that makes sense....since that's what they are.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Bardock42
However, in other parts of the world, which had little contact with German Nazism, the term "National Socialism" is sometimes used by parties that define themselves as socialist and patriotic, without being racist. In addition, the term was also used by non-racist groups in Europe before the rise of Nazism"

Wikipedia.

Grand_Moff_Gav
I said that didn't I?

I believe I mentioned Ho Chi Min

lord xyz
No, you said a Nationalist can be a Socialist, you didn't say National Socialists aren't Nazis. Infact, you argued they were.

Grand_Moff_Gav
They are...

However, your argument that Nazis are not National Socialist is very misinformed. I think what you actually mean is that while Nazis were National Socialists there are also National Socialists who are very different from the Nazi Party of Germany in the thirties and forties.

This is a correct view, however your view that Nazis are not National Socialist is not...(FYI Hitler was big on privatization)

lord xyz
...Try reading again.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by lord xyz
That matter has been debated earlier in the thread, and has been confirmed by the opposing side that they are NOT the same thing.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Yes, they aren't. You can be a National Socialist and not a Nazi.





That is my point. Look, your side is saying this! How can you argue against me?

Grand_Moff_Gav
Your arguing against me, you keep saying Nazis are not National Socialists when you should be saying (by your own admission)

Which means they are they are the same thing.

Devil King
Originally posted by lord xyz
It's probably just me, but I see this as a diversion from what we've already discussed.

How so?

Grand_Moff_Gav
Im just back from Auschwitz as it happens, went it September.

Devil King
Please don't feed the trolls.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Devil King
Please don't feed the trolls.

Fixed.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Your arguing against me, you keep saying Nazis are not National Socialists when you should be saying (by your own admission)

Which means they are they are the same thing. I said that?

Originally posted by Devil King
How so? We were discussing Zionism, and you said it shouldn't matter. If that came across as retarded, my argument for that is, I'm tired.

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