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The 5 strongest mutants of all time, and also in general where they would rank against other cosmic entities, or if theyre skyfather, high herald etc.

Just plain old jean or does she get the force.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Just plain old jean or does she get the force.

since she has the phoenix potential you can add that factor in to how powerful she can be

Well this is easy.

1. Wolverine
2. Wolverine
3. Wolverine
4. Wolverine
5. Wolverine

Originally posted by batdude123
Well this is easy.

1. Wolverine
2. Wolverine
3. Wolverine
4. Wolverine
5. Wolverine

Attempt: Humor

Result: Fail

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Just plain old jean or does she get the force.

Storm
Franklin
Apocalypse (old school)
Scarlet Witch (HOM)
Xavier

Originally posted by #1110
Attempt: Humor

Result: Fail

Attempt: Douchebag prick

Result: Success

1. Wolverine
2. Storm
3. Nightcrawler
4. Gambit
5. Hyperstorm

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
1. Wolverine
2. Storm
3. Nightcrawler
4. Gambit
5. Hyperstorm confused











Btw does Beyonder count now?

the beyonder isn't a mutant
not in any particular order
Phoenix
Onslaught (I'm not sure if he counts)
Nathanial Grey
Apocolypse
and little richards wasn't a bad choice either

no MJJ and hyperstorm on any lists yet

The correct answer is....

Mad Jim Jaspers
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/Nik_TehPimpXor/MAD.jpg

MJJ
Scarlet Witch
Jean grey phoenix
Hyperstorm
Franklin richards

I think in that order.

I forgot about MJJ!!!

storm
MJJ
Franklin
Scarlet Witch
Apocalypse

Originally posted by Rutog98
I forgot about MJJ!!!

storm
MJJ
Franklin
Scarlet Witch
Apocalypse

Please stick your typing fingers in a garbage disposal.

What iceman not getting any love around here.

He's overrated.

Originally posted by batdude123
Attempt: Douchebag prick

Result: Success

Attempt: Humor.

Result: HILARIOUS!

1. Mad Jim Jaspers
2. Hyperstorm
3. Full Potential Cable
4. Apocalypse
5. Iceman

A realz list.

MJJ
Wanda wit da CW
Jamie Braddock
Hyperstorm
Phoenix

Around there.

Jaime Braddock

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
A realz list.

MJJ
Wanda wit da CW
Jamie Braddock
Hyperstorm
Phoenix

Around there.

Bottom of page.

Originally posted by batdude123
Attempt: Douchebag prick

Result: Success

Thats better.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
A realz list.

MJJ
Wanda wit da CW
Jamie Braddock
Hyperstorm
Phoenix

Around there.
pretty spot on.

what about havok w/nexus of reality's

Originally posted by lordboo
pretty spot on.

what about havok w/nexus of reality's

morning

he's badass

MJJ
Jaime Braddock (Full equip)
HOM Wanda
Full Power Pheonix
Franklyn Richard

Wanda
Jamie Braddock
Jaspers
Phoenix
Hyperstorm

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
A realz list.

MJJ
Wanda wit da CW
Jamie Braddock
Hyperstorm
Phoenix

Around there.

Hyperstorm is #1

The rest dont matter

Jaspers
Hyperstorm
Havok
Richards
Wanda

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hyperstorm is #1

The rest dont matter I guess they don't -- If you know nothing about the other characters. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hyperstorm is #1

The rest dont matter
hyperstorm is nowhere near the level of mjj

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess they don't -- If you know nothing about the other characters. ermmhappy
You obvouisly dont know anything about hyperstorm

I know about braddock = celestial
and white crown pheonix
and mjj multiversal thread blah blah blah blah

But what i really know is hyperstorm

Originally posted by lordboo
hyperstorm is nowhere near the level of mjj

Hyperstorm beat the cartoonist... stfu

1. Rogue
2. Cyclops
3. Leech
4. Beast
5. Sabra

Originally posted by llagrok
1. Rogue
2. Cyclops
3. Leech
4. Beast
5. Sabra

I dont know to flame or laugh

so ill do neither

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You obvouisly dont know anything about hyperstorm

I know about braddock = celestial
and white crown pheonix
and mjj multiversal thread blah blah blah blah

But what i really know is hyperstorm



Hyperstorm beat the cartoonist... stfu

you nothing more than a arrogant fool

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I know about braddock = celestial
and white crown pheonix
and mjj multiversal thread blah blah blah blah You're funny.

Originally posted by lordboo
you nothing more than a arrogant fool Excuse me but when somebody breaks the fourth wall and shit stomps a living person i am inclined to think they are the best

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I know about braddock = celestial
and white crown pheonix
and mjj multiversal thread blah blah blah blah


That is just wrong....

Originally posted by llagrok
That is just wrong....
what is?

In no particular order, by feats.

Jean w/ PF
Mad Jim Jaspers
HoM Scarlet Witch
Franklin Richards

I am having a hard time picking #5, I want to say Hyperstorm, but I dont remember the Exiles issue and his FF4 showings are not that impressive.

Jean/Phoenix
Mad Jim Jaspers
Proteus
Apocalypse
Mr M (maybe)

MJJ
Scarlet Wirch
Jean Grey
Franklin Richards

Help me out: Who's Hyperstorm?
and are all the other characters mentioned (minus stupid s#*t like 'Cyclops') so powerful that Professor X shouldn't even be mentioned?

Originally posted by The Pict
Mr M (maybe) Nah.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah.

Someone who can manipulate reality and give himself various powers doesn't deserve to be on the list?

Originally posted by The Pict
Someone who can manipulate reality and give himself various powers doesn't deserve to be on the list? He never did anything too impressive on panel, before his death -- Nothing on the level of: Wanda, Jamie, JJ, Phoenix, Havok, Hyperstorm, etc...

In order imo.

Wanda HOM
Jamie Braddock
Jaspers 616
Havok/nexus
Phoenix & Franklin Richards/Psi-Lord (tied)

Originally posted by Galan007
He never did anything too impressive on panel, before his death -- Nothing on the level of: Wanda, Jamie, JJ, Phoenix, Havok, Hyperstorm, etc...

Havok? Havok is more powerful than an Omega level mutant who warps reality?

Maybe I need to expand my X-Men knowledge. hmm

Originally posted by The Pict
Havok? Havok is more powerful than an Omega level mutant who warps reality?

Maybe I need to expand my X-Men knowledge. hmm I guess I should have been more specific... Havok merged /w/ the Nexus of Realities..

And yes. He is far more powerful then Mr M, .

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess I should have been more specific... Havok merged /w/ the Nexus of Realities.. Otherwise, Havok's as powerful as everyone thinks he is.

Originally posted by FOOM


Help me out: Who's Hyperstorm?


Hyperstorm is the most powerful character in the comic book universe. He stopped Living Tribunal, Holy Spawn, Man of Miracles, Superman, Raiden, the Elder Gods(Mortal Kombat), Thanos(with heart of the universe), SS4 Gogeta (yes even anime/manga was involved), the In-Betweener,the Beyonder, Magus, the One Above All (THE WRITER OF THE COMIC), and all other warriors good and bad in the comic multiverse singlehandedly.

Here for more

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Hyperstorm

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hyperstorm is the most powerful character in the comic book universe. He stopped Living Tribunal, Holy Spawn, Man of Miracles, Superman, Raiden, the Elder Gods(Mortal Kombat), Thanos(with heart of the universe), SS4 Gogeta (yes even anime/manga was involved), the In-Betweener,the Beyonder, Magus, the One Above All (THE WRITER OF THE COMIC), and all other warriors good and bad in the comic multiverse singlehandedly.

Here for more

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Hyperstorm


Thats all he aint so tough

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hyperstorm is the most powerful character in the comic book universe. He stopped Living Tribunal, Holy Spawn, Man of Miracles, Superman, Raiden, the Elder Gods(Mortal Kombat), Thanos(with heart of the universe), SS4 Gogeta (yes even anime/manga was involved), the In-Betweener,the Beyonder, Magus, the One Above All (THE WRITER OF THE COMIC), and all other warriors good and bad in the comic multiverse singlehandedly.

Here for more

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Hyperstorm You're a funny guy.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hyperstorm is the most powerful character in the comic book universe. He stopped Living Tribunal, Holy Spawn, Man of Miracles, Superman, Raiden, the Elder Gods(Mortal Kombat), Thanos(with heart of the universe), SS4 Gogeta (yes even anime/manga was involved), the In-Betweener,the Beyonder, Magus, the One Above All (THE WRITER OF THE COMIC), and all other warriors good and bad in the comic multiverse singlehandedly.

Here for more

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Hyperstorm



This cat is obviously just messing with yall. Good one Gecko.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hyperstorm is the most powerful character in the comic book universe. He stopped Living Tribunal, Holy Spawn, Man of Miracles, Superman, Raiden, the Elder Gods(Mortal Kombat), Thanos(with heart of the universe), SS4 Gogeta (yes even anime/manga was involved), the In-Betweener,the Beyonder, Magus, the One Above All (THE WRITER OF THE COMIC), and all other warriors good and bad in the comic multiverse singlehandedly.

Here for more

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Hyperstorm

This seems improbable.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hyperstorm is the most powerful character in the comic book universe. He stopped Living Tribunal, Holy Spawn, Man of Miracles, Superman, Raiden, the Elder Gods(Mortal Kombat), Thanos(with heart of the universe), SS4 Gogeta (yes even anime/manga was involved), the In-Betweener,the Beyonder, Magus, the One Above All (THE WRITER OF THE COMIC), and all other warriors good and bad in the comic multiverse singlehandedly.

Here for more

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Hyperstorm He's telling the truth.
"He later eventually escapes learning how to absorb power and absorbs Galactus's. He then escapes the dimensional void in a quadruple crossover comic series with Marvel, Anime, Image, and DC and absorbs the powers of every being in the universe in every timeline including Thanos's when he takes the heart of the universe. He has in turn become the most powerful being in the comic universe. Hyperstorm then found a way to restore the universe make it his empire and revive everyone in it without losing the power he gained from them."

Yup.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He's telling the truth.
"He later eventually escapes learning how to absorb power and absorbs Galactus's. He then escapes the dimensional void in a quadruple crossover comic series with Marvel, Anime, Image, and DC and absorbs the powers of every being in the universe in every timeline including Thanos's when he takes the heart of the universe. He has in turn become the most powerful being in the comic universe. Hyperstorm then found a way to restore the universe make it his empire and revive everyone in it without losing the power he gained from them."

Yup. I especially enjoyed

He has taken over and taken the power of all pantheons in the multiverse including hell making himself the lone supreme being along with Jesus whom he prays to in one point of the comics.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He's telling the truth.
"He later eventually escapes learning how to absorb power and absorbs Galactus's. He then escapes the dimensional void in a quadruple crossover comic series with Marvel, Anime, Image, and DC and absorbs the powers of every being in the universe in every timeline including Thanos's when he takes the heart of the universe. He has in turn become the most powerful being in the comic universe. Hyperstorm then found a way to restore the universe make it his empire and revive everyone in it without losing the power he gained from them."

Did anyone see the mega list of powers they've given this dude?

I never seen anything like it.

Is this some kind of off panel joke?

Anywho,

the REAL Hyperstorm Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hyperstorm

Those clowns over at Marveldatabase,
must've been on some serious drugs when they made up that poppycock.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Did anyone see the mega list of powers they've given this dude?

I never seen anything like it.

Is this some kind of off panel joke? I find the idea of some asshat editing the page far more likely.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Did anyone see the mega list of powers they've given this dude?

I never seen anything like it.

Is this some kind of off panel joke?

i think so, under strength it says "can lift a planet with his finger"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Anywho,

the REAL Hyperstorm Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hyperstorm

Those clowns over at Marveldatabase,
must've been on some serious drugs when they made up that poppycock.

Yea I checked with the real source,
it was some kind of joke that is actually working when you see what Gecko is claiming.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea I checked with the real source,
it was some kind of joke that is actually working when you see what Gecko is claiming.
You should quickly edit it on wikipedia lol.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea I checked with the real source,
it was some kind of joke that is actually working when you see what Gecko is claiming.
again with the marvel stat blocks

wtf is up with these people

Originally posted by llagrok
1. Rogue
2. Cyclops
3. Leech
4. Beast
5. Sabra

I've got the scans to back it up

Jean Grey with Phoenix Force
MJJ
Franklin Richards
Scarlet Witch
Hyperstorm

Havok with the Nexus? how exactly does that make him one of the most powerful mutants, what has he done with the nexus that puts him in the same class as any of the others? Still looks like regular Havok with cosmic energy projection to me. What is he a nexus of other than different versions of himself? How does this nexus business change his powers or make him stronger? Sounds like a bunch of crap to me.

Mad Jim
Franklin
Jean (Phoenix)
X-Man
Hyperstorm

Honarable mention:
Cable FP
HOM Scarlett Witch
Apoc
Mags

X-man doesn't come close to HOM Wanda....

Originally posted by LordKaos
Havok with the Nexus? how exactly does that make him one of the most powerful mutants, what has he done with the nexus that puts him in the same class as any of the others? Still looks like regular Havok with cosmic energy projection to me. What is he a nexus of other than different versions of himself? How does this nexus business change his powers or make him stronger? Sounds like a bunch of crap to me.

Defeated the Goblin Force and erased it from the Omniverse....

Neither does Franklin or Hyperstorm.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Excuse me but when somebody breaks the fourth wall and shit stomps a living person i am inclined to think they are the best Seeing as how they never really did that... Even a manifestation of the cartoonist in the comics world is not really the cartoonist. you can call it an avatar but no character has ever really physically effected a person in this world.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Neither does Franklin or Hyperstorm.

Actually if we exclude the Chaos Wave then HoM feats isn't so much greater then Franklins, He created a Pocket Universe and she created a different Dimension and Hyperstorm is much stronger then his father so he could possibly accomplishe the same feat

Phoenix
Scarlet Witch
Mad Jim Jaspers
Jamie Braddock
Havok

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He's telling the truth.
"He later eventually escapes learning how to absorb power and absorbs Galactus's. He then escapes the dimensional void in a quadruple crossover comic series with Marvel, Anime, Image, and DC and absorbs the powers of every being in the universe in every timeline including Thanos's when he takes the heart of the universe. He has in turn become the most powerful being in the comic universe. Hyperstorm then found a way to restore the universe make it his empire and revive everyone in it without losing the power he gained from them."

Yup.

He had a crossover with anime!


How do you have a crossover with a style? hmm

Originally posted by LordKaos
Havok with the Nexus? how exactly does that make him one of the most powerful mutants, what has he done with the nexus that puts him in the same class as any of the others?

Havok became one/merged with the Nexus of All Realities. (ultimate Nexus)

He can literally collapse all the Realities in Marvel.

Besides that, he curbstomped the Goblin Force,
and nullified it from the Omniverse.

The Goblin Force curbstomped the embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless)
and then absorbed it.
................................................................................

The Goblin Force was trying to steal Havok's power to destroy the Omniverse,
it merged with the essence of the Beyonder and went on a quest to find Havok.
Havok was newb with the power he had now possessed,
but as soon as he figured out how to harness his power,
(with the help of Strange, Reed & others)
he became an uber god, and erased the GF in every Reality in Marvel simultaneously.

This all heppened On Panel, unlike Hyperstorm's ridiculous hyperbole.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually if we exclude the Chaos Wave then HoM feats isn't so much greater then Franklins,

I have to disagree Ut.

Even without the Chaos Wave (which is still a direct application of Wanda's power)
Franky is still a joke to HOM Wanda.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He created a Pocket Universe and she created a different Dimension

Actually Wanda consciously restructured the entire 616 Universe,
into her personal image.

Franky's feats have never come close to that.

Originally posted by Utrigita
and Hyperstorm is much stronger then his father so he could possibly accomplishe the same feat

Hyperstorm has never shown any indication of being able to do that.

In fact, few cats have ever remade or destroyed 616.

616 >>>>>>> all other Marvel Realities.

Originally posted by Creshosk


He had a crossover with anime!


How do you have a crossover with a style? hmm

I just noticed that. Hilarious.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Wanda consciously restructured the entire 616 Universe,
into her personal image. Wasn't House of M reality 58163 rather than 616?

Edit: or are you talking about Decimation?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wasn't House of M reality 58163 rather than 616?

I was under that impression too

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree Ut.

Even without the Chaos Wave (which is still a direct application of Wanda's power)
Franky is still a joke to HOM Wanda.



Actually Wanda consciously restructured the entire 616 Universe,
into her personal image.

Franky's feats have never come close to that.



Hyperstorm has never shown any indication of being able to do that.

In fact, few cats have ever remade or destroyed 616.

616 >>>>>>> all other Marvel Realities.

What is her feats to be exact beside the point of her having created the Chaos Wave and reality 58163??

By fueling the Chaos Wave she isn't MJJ is she that reality warps like she sees fit??? No he just created a Pocket Dimension with all the aspects of the 616 universe.

No he didn't but it's only logical to assume that he has the power to do so, since he has the power of Franklin and a Phoenix Avatar.

Can't argue against that 616 >all other realities.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wasn't House of M reality 58163 rather than 616?

Edit: or are you talking about Decimation?

according to wwh it wasnt

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
according to wwh it wasnt You're the guy who thinks that hyperstorm had a crossover with anime aren't you?

So what's your source this time?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wasn't House of M reality 58163 rather than 616?

The 616 Reality was warped into Reality 58163.

From the now Reality 58163,
Wanda's power was pouring out and collapsing the Walls of Causality
in every Universe.

This is how she collapsed the entire Omniverse.

Originally posted by Utrigita
What is her feats to be exact beside the point of her having created the Chaos Wave and reality 58163??

The Chaos Wave is one of if not the greatest feat in Marvel.

Reality 58163 is what the 616 Universe used to be.
So that's another monstrous feat.

Like I said, few cats have accomplished warping the 616 Universe, very few.
...............................................................................

As for other feats:

She gave every being on Earth their dreams.
She made other beings more powerful, (like X, Layla & Genis amongst others)
Genis was actually blinking the Universe in and out of existence because of Wanda.
She could make copies of herself.
She could create pocket Realities withIN the 58163 Reality (616)
She was apparently immortal.
She could create life from scratch.
She perceived the Astral Plane withIN the Physical Plane.
She had absolute control over genetic manipulation.

Those are some off the top of my dome.

Originally posted by Utrigita
By fueling the Chaos Wave she isn't MJJ is she that reality warps like she sees fit???

Well she Remade the 616 Universe in her image, so I'd say yea,
she was able to warp Reality as she saw fit.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No he just created a Pocket Dimension with all the aspects of the 616 universe.

What?

In what issue did this happen?

(I have all his appearances, never saw that happen,
but let me know so I can post that in my thread)

Originally posted by Utrigita
No he didn't but it's only logical to assume that he has the power to do so, since he has the power of Franklin and a Phoenix Avatar.

Well, Franky has only created pocket Realities. (this could be the size of a Planet)
And Phoenix has never created or remade any Reality.
Phoenix has however destroyed a full blown Alternate Universe though.

But I don't think HS has the power of Phoenix though.

Meh, he got pwnd by Galactus.
(not that Big G is a pushover but, I'm just sayin)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Can't argue against that 616 >all other realities.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're the guy who thinks that hyperstorm had a crossover with anime aren't you?

So what's your source this time?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're the guy who thinks that hyperstorm had a crossover with anime aren't you?

So what's your source this time?

Read wwh xmen #1

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Chaos Wave is one of if not the greatest feat in Marvel.

Reality 58163 is what the 616 Universe used to be.
So that's another monstrous feat. Just like Earth-15104 used to be 616 before a certain birdy forcved a certain guy to make a decidion he didn't make?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Read wwh xmen #1 Like I should read marvel database?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like I should read marvel database?
dont be a ass

Just read the damn issue

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
dont be a ass

Just read the damn issue Originally posted by Creshosk
Like I should read marvel database?

Stop being a dick

Here

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6403/worldwarhulkxmen001003ce2.jpg

Why are people even listing Storm?

stormtards

and the fact that is is possibly omega level

Originally posted by Creshosk
Just like Earth-15104 used to be 616 before a certain birdy forcved a certain guy to make a decidion he didn't make?

Actually 15104 was just a Futuristic Timeline (a tiny Reality connected to 616)

While 58163 was the actual 616 Universe fully Warped.

Birdy still hasn't done anything greater than consuming that Alternate Universe. shifty

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Stop being a dick

Here

I'm curious, what does that monster scan prove?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm curious, what does that monster scan prove?

What you already said

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Stop being a dick

Here

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6403/worldwarhulkxmen001003ce2.jpg That's what I thought... that's M-DAY... not house of M... as in decimation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually 15104 was just a Futuristic Timeline (a tiny Reality connected to 616)

While 58163 was the actual 616 Universe fully Warped.

Birdy still hasn't done anything greater than consuming that Alternate Universe. shifty 15104 BECAME a futuristic timeline when Jean went into the past and altered the events of 616 by forcing Scott to stay with Emma.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's what I thought... that's M-DAY... not house of M... as in decimation.

Im slow

Whats the difference?

Originally posted by Creshosk
15104 BECAME a futuristic timeline when Jean went into the past and altered the events of 616 by forcing Scott to stay with Emma.

Actually on panel, and in the official bio,

Reality 15104 had formed in the last page of issue#150, because of Scotts decision.

And Phoenix forced Scott's mind to change in issue#154.

So that's impossible.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually on panel,

Reality 15104 had formed in the last page of issue#150, because of Scotts decision.

And Phoenix forced Scott's mind to change in issue#154.

So that's impossible. That's kinda how time manipulation works. Events occur and then the time travel and the events unoccuring.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's kinda how time manipulation works. Events occur and then the time travel and the events unoccuring.

As you wish.

I'll stick to what took place on panel and what was confirmed in the official bio.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Havok became one/merged with the Nexus of All Realities. (ultimate Nexus)

He can literally collapse all the Realities in Marvel.

Besides that, he curbstomped the Goblin Force,
and nullified it from the Omniverse.

The Goblin Force curbstomped the embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless)
and then absorbed it.
................................................................................

The Goblin Force was trying to steal Havok's power to destroy the Omniverse,
it merged with the essence of the Beyonder and went on a quest to find Havok.
Havok was newb with the power he had now possessed,
but as soon as he figured out how to harness his power,
(with the help of Strange, Reed & others)
he became an uber god, and erased the GF in every Reality in Marvel simultaneously.

This all heppened On Panel, unlike Hyperstorm's ridiculous hyperbole. What issue did all this happen in Mr M?

=====

And HOM SW is BY FAR the most powerful mutie, imo.

Originally posted by Merlyn
What issue did all this happen in Mr M?

What do you want first?

The embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless) getting stomped by the Goblin Force?

Or Havok and his display of power with the Nexus of all Realities within him?

Originally posted by Merlyn
And HOM SW is BY FAR the most powerful mutie, imo.

I definitely agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What do you want first?

The embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless) getting stomped by the Goblin Force?

Or Havok and his display of power with the Nexus of all Realities within him? Issue numbers of both instances would be nice.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.

I'll stick to what took place on panel and what was confirmed in the official bio. or your interpretations of what is stated and shown.

LMAO at the Hyperstorm posts.

Originally posted by Merlyn
Issue numbers of both instances would be nice.

The embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless) gets stomped in Mutant X #11 or 12.
(I have to look that up, I'm sure it's one of the two)
The Watcher was re-telling the story of the Goblin Force:

It's just like Three pages: (here are the relevant scans)
................................................................................................


Uatu speaks,

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3045/gqai8.th.jpg




http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9743/gq1cy0.th.jpg

"We are the Watchers, we observe, we Know that which the Goblin Entity is capable of,

We were there, at the Birth of the Universe, and witnessed the Goblin Entity begin,

watched as the blight of the Goblin Entity spread across the ever expanding Universe,

and threat Creation itself"



................................................................................................


The 5 Host of Celestails >>>>>>The Phoenix Force or Galactus



http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1849/gq2uj9.th.jpg

"We watched as it DEVOURED the Phoenix Force and added its Power to its own,

watched as Galactus himself fell before it's Power,

Only when the Fifth Host of Celestials stood before its Power was the Goblin Entity halted,

their great Race devastated, they managed to diminish its Power and contain it"

Havok merged with the Nexus of All Realities in "The Key" arc:
(Issues # 31 (2001 Annual) - #32)

(here are the relevant scans)




Alex Summers a.k.a. Havok




The Beyonder re-emerges from a state of suspended animation, revived by another "Force" ... this "Force" has merged with him after the "Force" had absorbed a portion of the true Nexus of ALL Realities.

Beyonder reaches into the mind of Captain America and looks into some of his Past,


"A Dimensional Walker? He (Alex) came to this place from another Reality"

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6513/ph1qy5.th.jpg
"He subdued the Goblin Queen? She is a Force of Universal Nature, How could a Human (Alex)...? Yes ... I see it now.

He (Alex) wields more Power than he could possibly imagine"





So Beyonder realizes it's Alex Summers who contains unimaginable power, and now seeks to find him, in order to take it from him.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7523/ph2tl4.th.jpg


Beyonder levitates and mind rapes the World's population then kills everyone:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/816/ph3nc5.th.jpg

(Well those that didn't survive the fall atleast)

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7853/ph4ky9.th.jpg





If Beyonder finds Havok this will be the outcome:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9847/80768600vk5.th.jpg
"He will End everything ... the Multiverses ... the Past ... the Present ...

the Yet to Be ... will all be Destroyed"


Can anyone say OMNIVERSE!!!




This isn't just the Beyonder though:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7172/h1rk4.th.jpg




continues in the next post ...

Havok finds out for the first time that the Nexus of Realities resides within him:

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/513/h2cj6.th.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4895/h3yo8.th.jpg
"The Nexus of Realities is not just a place ... it is a Force of Nature ...

the Fabric of that which binds ALL Reality together ...

the Nexus transported itself to your body"





Alex has not yet adapted at properly harnessing the energies of the Nexus, so Reed builds a suit for Alex that will draw on the powers of Dr Strange - Mordo and Xavier, to help Alex harness the power of the Nexus:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6059/h4le5.th.jpg





Alex confronts the Beyonder, and the Beyonder reveals the puppeteer:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8403/h5he6.th.jpg

The Goblin Queen

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3769/h6nv5.th.jpg





The Goblin Queen tries to mind rape the inexperienced Alex:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9656/h7by3.th.jpg





But Alex fights back, but the Goblin Queen is confident:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9479/h8rk1.th.jpg
"This entire World ... and Countless Others will fall before me"





Havok and the Goblin Queen battle in a different Plane of Reality:


"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4753/h9vb6.th.jpg
"So much Power in such a small mind ...

we could have Conquered the Multiverses together ... Now I will have to do it alone"





Alex finally adapts to his power by using Dr Strange - Mordo and Xavier to harness the power of the Nexus, Alex absorbs the Goblin Queen into the Nexus erasing her from existence, and then becomes ONE with the Nexus ensuring no one else will ever be able to tap into it's power, save him.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5517/h10gl5.th.jpg


Alex Summers a.k.a. Havok becomes the Nexus of ALL Realities in the Omniverse:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1333/h11tb1.th.jpg

The series has been kept in continuity for a while and it took the story Years to reach this climatic finality.

Back in 1999, Havok was realizing his Wife Madelyn had been over taken by the Goblin Queen:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7014/h1zr4.th.jpg





This is Canon 616 Havok by the way, that just happens to be in this Alternate Reality:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3033/h2av9.th.jpg




Dr Strange tells Alex about the Nexus of Realities, while they battle the GQ and her minions in the swamps where the Nexus is located:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1561/h3ss2.th.jpg




Havok tells Strange to teleport himself and the rest of his mates out of there:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1136/33qp6.th.jpg




To seemingly destroy the Nexus of all Realities:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8760/34ae3.th.jpg




Havok thought he destroyed the Nexus of all Realities, and Strange danced around the notion, that's because Strange wanted to keep it a secret from Alex and the rest, to essentially protect him, from others that might try to usurp his power that lays latent within him.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1213/36md5.th.jpg




Several Years later it ties into this, like I posted earlier.

Strange explaining that moment back in 1999 when Havok thought he destroyed the Nexus, but in fact, the Nexus transported itself into Havok's body:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6551/h5ic3.th.jpg


btw. the Beyonder, Strange, the Ancient One, Reed Richards, Dracula and the Goblin Queen all seemed to agree on Havok and his power.

MultiverseS (plural) was mentioned several times.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I definitely agree.

By reading what Havok is capable of, no way HOM SW is by far he most powerful mutant.

There is no way of telling if she would own Havok, if they would go full out.

She did more to the Omniverse, because she went all out, her powers went mad, out of control, if Havok would want to do something like that or to go out of control, he would probably be even worse than her.

Due to what he is, I would favor him over HOM SW and wouldn't be surprised at all, if he would come out victories.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless) gets stomped in Mutant X #11 or 12.
(I have to look that up, I'm sure it's one of the two) It happens in issue #12.

Alex cannot and has not harnessed the power of the Nexus without a lot of outside help, so actually he is not one of the most powerful mutants around because 1.) you have to be able to use power to make you powerful, and 2.) he isn't the Nexus because of his genetic mutation he is the Nexus because his character sucked just enough ass to be taken out of 616, but not enough to be killed off during the explosion which was meant to do just that. And by what standard are we basing how powerful one is, Wanda can warp reality on very large scale, and isn't she a nexus being which makes her just as unique as Havok? He doesn't even survive channeling the Nexus he died, that's what the blackness meant every other time he fell into it during Mutant X and somebody always had to bring him back. Making him the Nexus was the only way for marvel to explain his traveling to that crappy mutant x reality and was certainly the only way he would have gotten back. He sucks and the Blade of the Phoenix was enough to take him down with one shot.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The embodiment of the Phoenix Force (hostless) gets stomped in Mutant X #11 or 12.


I'd hardly call it a stomp, because it was just him telling the story of how it was devoured and added as a power source not destroyed, nor does it give any indication of what went on before it was devoured. The Watcher has been around a long time and apparently so has the goblin force at least in mutant x land it could have battled with the Phoenix for eons as well as Galactus, you say stomped as if he said the Goblin force quickly and effortlessly did these things it did, so saying it was a stomp is speculation. Just as assuming it was hostless is speculation as well, it could very well have been in possession of a host. And why is it so easy to listen to the Watcher of another reality when it talks about the Phoenix, but ignore what the Watcher of 616 Earth said about the Phoenix when it was first encountered in comic books? I'm really not looking for a response to this because you have no proof of this so called stomp or hostlessness, just making an observation.

Wanda stops World War Hulk.

PROOF!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/Nik_TehPimpXor/sw2.jpg


Is it perfect? No. Is it even close to perfect? No. But I like Paint. It's fun.

MJJ
Jamie Braddock
HOM Scarlett With
White Crown Phoenix
Hyperstorm

pheonix couldnt be counted

she isnt a mutant

Jean Grey is the WCP and Jean is definitely a mutant, death told her it was her unique power to wield the Phoenix, in Xmen forever she accepted this and her DNA burned with the cosmic flame, in endangered species Dark Beast says that AOA Jean Grey is beyond mutation and belongs to some higher category. He talks about how every cell in her body is a separate center of power. He compares her to "white fountains of spontaneous energy of cosmic birth" or something like that. Jean is an omega level mutant with unlimited potential for power which manifests as the Phoenix.

Originally posted by LordKaos
I'm really not looking for a response to this because you have no proof of this so called stomp or hostlessness, just making an observation.

And why is it so easy to listen to the Watcher of another reality

That was Uatu dude.

And yes, I've seen all your proof ... uhh actually hum no I haven't.

All I've seen is you rant about how the on panel evidence is this or that,
basically "I don't agree with what I just saw, so I'll just run around it,
with massive speculation, conjoured theories and plain old yip yap."

Explain, explain away, whatever,
you defied the on panel and bio evidence concerning Wanda.
You now attack Havok,
and are attempting to diminish what he became and what he did.
And now, you're hypothesizing a bunch of gibberish about the Phoenix,
which was cleraly stated On Panel to be devoured (STOMPED) and then absorbed,
by the Goblin Force.

I took you serious yesterday, when I saw your intransigence concerning Wanda,
I decided to indulge you accordingly. (that is, ignore)
no time for circles over here dogs.

Believe, or make up what you wish. We're done.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That was Uatu dude.

And yes, I've seen all your proof ... uhh actually hum no I haven't.

All I've seen is you rant about how the on panel evidence is this or that,
basically "I don't agree with what I just saw, so I'll just run around it,
with massive speculation, conjoured theories and plain old yip yap."

Explain, explain away, whatever,
you defied the on panel and bio evidence concerning Wanda.
You now attack Havok,
and are attempting to diminish what he became and what he did.
And now, you're hypothesizing a bunch of gibberish about the Phoenix,
which was cleraly stated On Panel to be devoured (STOMPED) and then absorbed,
by the Goblin Force.

I took you serious yesterday, when I saw your intransigence concerning Wanda,
I decided to indulge you accordingly. (that is, ignore)
no time for circles over here dogs.

Believe, or make up what you wish. We're done.
The burden of proof is on you, I haven't made any claims it is you with your myopic view of how you think the marvel universe is run that needs proof, first you try to make it look like I don't know who was responsible for the wave, I am quite aware, what you have not and cannot answer is why you insists on saying she is sustaining it and then go on to say because the chaos wave was her reality warp and brought back MJJ she was spewing forth reality warping energy continuously throughout the entire time the wave was in motion, all you have proved is that her reality warp became the chaos wave (something I knew already) not that she is fueling it after she cast the initial warp or that in a battle she can call up another one.


You diminished what he did when you posted scans of him needing help from four different people to access the nexus. Fact, it is not a part of his genetic mutation and there is nothing that shows he can access it again without those same circumstances, therefore he is not among the top 5, just like the Chaos wave was made under special circumstance that were not under her control so how in fact is Chaos Wave an option for her.

You speculated that the Phoenix was stomped and hostless without proof of either except an ambiguous statement made by the Watcher saying it was devoured and added to the Goblin Force, a stomp would suggest that the Goblin Force went up to the Phoenix and it was powerless to do anything and was eaten and added, all the Watcher said was that it was devoured and added and in the same breath without any detail as to how it happened went on to say how Galactus fell, you drew the conclusions as to what the Watcher meant when he said this, I just pointed out that there is no way anyone could say it was stomped by going by that statement, nor is there anyway to know that it was hostless going by the picture or the dialog.

When did we ever start, I told you there was no need to respond because you can not prove anything you said about what happened between the Goblin Force and the Phoenix all you have is one sentence and a picture of the two and how you interpreted it. This is a debate forum why wouldn't I be intransigent about something I disagree with?
No time for circles, this from the guy who posted scans of MMJ being resurrected in an attempt to prove that Wanda was sustaining the wave, if you were truly indulging me (ignoring) then why the rant, now my post is a rant because it's questioning your interpretations of the myriad of scans that hardly prove your case, because you have not in anyway addressed the issue of the force propelling the wave merely the cause of it, why if she was spewing did it not burst through the newly sealed wall like it did to every other wall; your answer is because she was in 616, now tell me again how that's not speculation on your part since you're so fond of throwing that word around whenever somebody questions your very opinionated interpretations. Now we're done.

Same ol' same ol' durznuts


I see the agenda now, demean all others that threaten the Phoenix.

Who are you really? hm

Every Mutant was put down except for Phoenix,
and yet it's Phoenix that get's curbstomped left & right,
by no bodies like this nobody:


(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1528/pf1ih0.th.jpg

"Jean Grey was KILLED by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this SHATTERED the FORCE into Billions of PIECES"

..................................................................................


On Panel verification:


Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey (Phoenix) with an Electromagnetic Pulse

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3669/1vd7.th.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5718/2eb7.th.jpg



Beast remembers:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1715/jeandiesuj7.th.jpg


yawn


Yea I know, there's another essay coming to explain this away.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same ol' same ol' durznuts


I see the agenda now, demean all others that threaten the Phoenix.

Who are you really? hm

Every Mutant was put down except for Phoenix,
and yet it's Phoenix that get's curbstomped left & right,
by no bodies like this nobody:


(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1528/pf1ih0.th.jpg

"Jean Grey was KILLED by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this SHATTERED the FORCE into Billions of PIECES"

..................................................................................


On Panel verification:


Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey (Phoenix) with an Electromagnetic Pulse

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3669/1vd7.th.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5718/2eb7.th.jpg



Beast remembers:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1715/jeandiesuj7.th.jpg


yawn


Yea I know, there's another essay coming to explain this away. No, just calling it PIS because electro magnetic energy is harmless to the human brain.. in fact we use it in our MRI devices to scan our brains to look for things wrong with them.

Its another example of Plot induced stupidity of the writer not understanding how the things they're using actually work. An in comic explination would be that she shut herself down to dow the level of phoenix work that she needed.


Short answer: It's PIS because of MRIs.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, just calling it PIS because electro magnetic energy is harmless to the human brain.. in fact we use it in our MRI devices to scan our brains to look for things wrong with them.

Its another example of Plot induced stupidity of the writer not understanding how the things they're using actually work. An in comic explination would be that she shut herself down to dow the level of phoenix work that she needed.


Short answer: It's PIS because of MRIs.

or the writer doesnt know shit about real life magnetic energy

: Grow up, this proves that the Goblin Force stomped the Phoenix Force how? Show some dignity and cut it out, you can't prove something so you think by showing Xorn killing Jean Grey who had not yet reached White Crown yet, that I'll what exactly? How exactly am I demeaning other mutants by questioning why you think they are so great?
Fact: Havok can't as far as on panel feats go access the Nexus of his own volition.
Fact: You don't know if the wave was sustained by Wanda or butterfly effect or you would have shown me already, what you posted earlier is not proof of that it's pictures with speculation.
Fact: You have no proof or anyway of obtaining proof that Goblin Force stomped a hostless Phoenix
Fact: you seem to like my "essays" as you call them or you would just bow out gracefully, because as far as my posts are concerned you with all your scans, overly opinionated interpretations and your passive aggressive attempts to be condescending have fallen short and proved nothing, I guess that's why you posted that scan. May I remind you that it was you who brought up the Phoenix to begin with, in your attempt to force people to believe Havok and some power he can't tap on his own ranks him among the top 5 most powerful mutants.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, just calling it PIS because electro magnetic energy is harmless to the human brain.. in fact we use it in our MRI devices to scan our brains to look for things wrong with them.

Its another example of Plot induced stupidity of the writer not understanding how the things they're using actually work.



Originally posted by Creshosk
An in comic explination would be that she shut herself down to dow the level of phoenix work that she needed.

What comic?

Unless it was stated that she wittingly and willingly got fried,
I'm not buying this.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Short answer: It's PIS because of MRIs.

Where's the PIS in this?

Bio and On Panel accounts depicting the Phoenix Force (Host-less)

getting OWNED
...................................................................................



1.

Bio


"The FORCE was Transported to the Ultraverse by a Sentient Alien Starship"

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6177/p1uc0.th.jpg






On Panel verification




The SHIP,

rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Dimension,

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6522/p1rc5.th.jpg

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6805/p2ek6.th.jpg


...................................................................................



2.

Bio



"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ...

IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ...

WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8973/p2us8.th.jpg







On Panel verification




"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/57/p3xa6.th.jpg
"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"






"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things,
or is it's FIRE GOING OUT,

the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2048/p4ah2.th.jpg

"TRULY,

the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE
against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"






http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2513/p5mr2.th.jpg

"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS,

to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL,

it MUST find a Host"


...................................................................................

blahblah




Hey, look at me, I'm a winner too now.

Nowadays this is all it takes to stroke one's own ego without merit.

Not you Cresh (You're actually a serious and true debater)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't make MRI's dangerous.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What comic?

Unless it was stated that she wittingly and willingly got fried,
I'm not buing this.Its the most logical explination without retardation. and it coorelates to the suicide on the moon with the jean shell/clone.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Where's the PIS in this?Umm.. because people use electromagnetic energy in Magentic resonance imaging in order to look at peoples brains. People can't even feel the electromagnetic aenergy going right through them when it occurs. I'vehad multiple in the past and am still alive.

So I really doen't see theis as being acceptable.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Bio and On Panel accounts depicting the Phoenix Force (Host-less)

getting OWNEDit RETARDED! DEEDEDEE!

The writers ****ed up, they needed an excuse to kill her and chose a retarded explination.
Originally posted by Mr Master
...................................................................................



1.

Bio


"The FORCE was Transported to the Ultraverse by a Sentient Alien Starship"

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6177/p1uc0.th.jpg






On Panel verification




The SHIP,

rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Dimension,

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6522/p1rc5.th.jpg

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6805/p2ek6.th.jpg


...................................................................................



2.

Bio



"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ...

IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ...

WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8973/p2us8.th.jpg







On Panel verification




"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/57/p3xa6.th.jpg
"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"






"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things,
or is it's FIRE GOING OUT,

the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2048/p4ah2.th.jpg

"TRULY,

the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE
against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"






http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2513/p5mr2.th.jpg

"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS,

to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL,

it MUST find a Host"


................................................................................... See, NOW I'm startign to suspect an agenda... I'm talking about one feat being shit writing by someone whos a writer and obviously doesn't understand science. And you bring up this anti-phoenix propaganda?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't make MRI's dangerous.

Its the most logical explination without retardation. and it coorelates to the suicide on the moon with the jean shell/clone.

Umm.. because people use electromagnetic energy in Magentic resonance imaging in order to look at peoples brains. People can't even feel the electromagnetic aenergy going right through them when it occurs. I'vehad multiple in the past and am still alive.

So I really doen't see theis as being acceptable.

it RETARDED! DEEDEDEE!

The writers ****ed up, they needed an excuse to kill her and chose a retarded explination.
See, NOW I'm startign to suspect an agenda... I'm talking about one feat being shit writing by someone whos a writer and obviously doesn't understand science. And you bring up this anti-phoenix propaganda?

How is an MRI really comparable to a lance of energy?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't make MRI's dangerous.

Its the most logical explination without retardation. and it coorelates to the suicide on the moon with the jean shell/clone.

Umm.. because people use electromagnetic energy in Magentic resonance imaging in order to look at peoples brains. People can't even feel the electromagnetic aenergy going right through them when it occurs. I'vehad multiple in the past and am still alive.

So I really doen't see theis as being acceptable.

it RETARDED! DEEDEDEE!

The writers ****ed up, they needed an excuse to kill her and chose a retarded explination.

I understood what you first posted, it made sense.

I was asking, where is the PIS in this (meaning the new scans I just posted)

I was wondering if more excuses were going to be posted. (and not by you particularly)
There's another making an excuse for every other Mutant feat
(except for Phoenix of course)


Your explanation about MRIs/EMP was reasonable and accepted.


I didn't know the eye rolly smilie was snide.
I always thought it meant something to the effect of "oh well" ...

Originally posted by Creshosk
See, NOW I'm startign to suspect an agenda... I'm talking about one feat being shit writing by someone whos a writer and obviously doesn't understand science.

Hope I cleared that up.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And you bring up this anti-phoenix propaganda?

It's the "pro-phoenix" agenda that's irking me (again, not by you)

So I figured I'd oblige.

Please, don't mind it, it's just to irk back another's obssession.

Cat's trying to make me look like I picked up a comic yesterday, that's a no, no.

Originally posted by Mr Master


blahblah




Hey, look at me, I'm a winner too now.

Nowadays this is all it takes to stroke one's own ego without merit.

Not you Cresh (You're actually a serious and true debater)

are you serious, if my debating skills were ever in question I doubt you would have engaged me to begin with. stop being a whinny little loser because you have nothing but sarcasm as usual. What do you mean nowadays, I guess you sending images of shit and say gibberish to all who opposed you is what you'd rather be happening right? If you would have proved me wrong just once then I would have gladly conceded, but you didn't so now you try to ridicule me and say I'm not a good debater sorry I meant Dude it's the Internet get a grip

Originally posted by LordKaos
are you serious, if my debating skills were ever in question I doubt you would have engaged me to begin with.

I did take you serious yesterday, and for the most part I always have,
I've seen you around.

I don't know what's gotten into you though since yesterday.

You're like on a vain mission to try and make me look clueless.

That's never gonna work on kmc. (I'm a vet, and I've earned my respect)

Originally posted by LordKaos
stop being a whinny little loser because you have nothing but sarcasm as usual.

My sarcasm began after you presented your intransigence as the voice of reason.

And mind you, that's not an insult, but since the Wanda issue,
I consider you an intransigent indivudual.
This is not to say you're an idiot or anything of the like. (I actually think your smart)
I think you just don't like the fact that your wrong.
Or, you have what I truly suspect (an agenda)
and hence you're trying to abate all the other Mutants that were placed above Phoenix.

Originally posted by LordKaos
What do you mean nowadays, I guess you sending images of shit and say gibberish to all who opposed you is what you'd rather be happening right?

See, this is gibberish.

You insult my opinion, which usually isn't one,
I'm not much a theorist, I like to just post On Panel and Bio facts to make my point,
and I'm not much of a debater either,
I'm more of an info center concerning Marvel Cosmics.

Originally posted by LordKaos
If you would have proved me wrong just once then I would have gladly conceded,

No you wouldn't,
cause all you've done is dance around conclusive and irrefutable evidence.

Originally posted by LordKaos
but you didn't

Actually I did, but it's not like you're going to acknowledge it.

Originally posted by LordKaos
so now you try to ridicule me and say I'm not a good debater

You insulted me, so I bit back.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Dude it's the Internet get a grip

Practice what you preach.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I did take you serious yesterday, and for the most part I always have,
I've seen you around.

I don't know what's gotten into you though since yesterday.

You're like on a vain mission to try and make me look clueless.

That's never gonna work on kmc. (I'm a vet, and I've earned my respect)



My sarcasm began after you presented your intransigence as the voice of reason.

And mind you, that's not an insult, but since the Wanda issue,
I consider you an intransigent indivudual.
This is not to say you're an idiot or anything of the like. (I actually think your smart)
I think you just don't like the fact that your wrong.
Or, you have what I truly suspect (an agenda)
and hence you're trying to abate all the other Mutants that were placed above Phoenix.



See, this is gibberish.

You insult my opinion, which usually isn't one,
I'm not much a theorist, I like to just post On Panel and Bio facts to make my point,
and I'm not much of a debater either,
I'm more of an info center concerning Marvel Cosmics.



No you wouldn't,
cause all you've done is dance around conclusive and irrefutable evidence.



Actually I did, but it's not like you're going to acknowledge it.



You insulted me, so I bit back.



Practice what you preach.

So lets see you don't take me seriously now because we have different views that neither of us has irrefutable proof of (regarding the Chaos Wave) you think she is continuously spewing out wave upon wave of energy I see butterfly effect, but you took it farther and tried to show me scans to prove your theory, but your scans did not prove that to me. Then you type and I quote "The question is who produced the wave" that was not the question, but the was the only way you could make your case by attempting to make me look ignorant to something I already knew and never questioned. I asked about this Havok business, wanted to know what qualifies him as one of the top 5, you show me him needing help to access the nexus and then shutting it down and returning home, you might have mentioned how the Timebroker sought him out because of the Nexus, even though he still has not used it since Mutant X and since it's not a part of his mutation and he cannot access it at will so I don't see why he would be ranked so high, it doesn't have to be his mutant power because he is still mutant, but there are too many factors involved with him gaining access and the little thing about him not being able handle it without going catatonic. Then you go one to say the Phoenix was stomped, f.y.i. I do like the Phoenix but even if I didn't it doesn't make your statement about her being stomped or hostless any less speculative, you have no I idea what the circumstances of their encounter were, the Goblin Force ate and added the Phoenix to itself, fine you hate Phoenix but even though it was devoured it was not destroyed it was assimilated. Why do you constantly say that you don't post your opinion when you make assumptions like that? This thread itself is a matter of everybodys opinion, not one of use is going to find a book that say OK these 5 without a doubt are the most powerful.
In closing go on head with that line about you being sarcastic after you were insulted, if memory serves me (or my mouse) you wrote:

And yes, I've seen all your proof ... uhh actually no I haven't.
Same ol' same ol'
all sarcastic and with little people scratching their head and twirling like crazy people, you accused me of having an agenda (it's not that serious) and you insinuated I was someone else, you admitted to trying to irk me and also insinuated that I was not a serious and true debater and that my posts had no merit, all because I don't agree with you and you couldn't counter, you tried to turn it into a pissing contest the minute you wrote "Cat's trying to make me look like I picked up a comic yesterday, that's a no, no." I got news for you I been reading comics for more than one day too. I told you to grow up and called you a whinny little loser after, your no victim your too arrogant to be victimized at least on here you are, who knows what your like when your not in front of the PC, anyway I've grown tired thank you for another exhilarating experience.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't make MRI's dangerous. It's actually been shown and established through various testing processes, that an individual whom has had numerous MRI's over a relatively short period of time, does have an elevated risk for Subarachnoid hemorrhage, which accounts for 5 to 10% of CVA (stroke) related incidents.

In fact,

The extreme side of these studies showed these individuals developing increased ICP (Intracranial pressure) over a given period of time.... This is a sign which is indicative of cerebral hemorrhage (a bleed into the substance of the cerebrum).


Just some gee-whiz info for anyone else in the medical field.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's actually been shown and established through various testing processes, that an individual whom has had numerous MRI's over a relatively short period of time, does have an elevated risk for Subarachnoid hemorrhage, which accounts for 5 to 10% of CVA (stroke) related incidents.

In fact,

The extreme side of these studies showed these individuals developing increased ICP (Intracranial pressure) over a set period of time.... This is a sign which is indicative of cerebral hemorrhage.


Just some gee-whiz info for anyone else in the medical field.

And what are the medical journals saying about people who get lanced through the head with energy beams? Good? Bad?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And what are the medical journals saying about people who get lanced through the head with energy beams? Good? Bad?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And what are the medical journals saying about people who get lanced through the head with energy beams? Good? Bad? Meh,

Bringing up real-world happenings, begets real-world responses! ermmgrin

Fiddle sticks.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,

Bringing up real-world happenings, begets real-world responses! ermmgrin

So anyways fellas, what does the Top 5 Muties look like?

I say,

1. HOM Wanda

2. Jamie Braddock

3. Jaspers

4. Havok/nexus

5. Phoenix & Psi-Lord (both have destroyed an Alternate Universe - top feat)


I don't think it matters that Havok can wack the Omniverse while merged,
because Merlyn was basically equally able and we know that Jaspers > Merlyn.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How is an MRI really comparable to a lance of energy? YEs how is bombarding a person's brain with electromagnetic energy like bombarding a person's brain with electromagnetic energy?

How can you possibly compare the two?

I mean one is electromagnetic energy shot into a person's brain.. and the other? Its shooting electromagnetic energy into the person's brain...


Yeah I don't see how the two things that are exactly the same sans the source can possibly be compared...

Originally posted by Creshosk


Hey Cresh, do you agree with me on the decipherment of that issue in the PM?

I value your thoughts, I'm interested.

We don't have to continue it here, just wanna know if you did or not.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's actually been shown and established through various testing processes, that an individual whom has had numerous MRI's over a relatively short period of time, does have an elevated risk for Subarachnoid hemorrhage, which accounts for 5 to 10% of CVA (stroke) related incidents.

In fact,

The extreme side of these studies showed these individuals developing increased ICP (Intracranial pressure) over a given period of time.... This is a sign which is indicative of cerebral hemorrhage (a bleed into the substance of the cerebrum).


Just some gee-whiz info for anyone else in the medical field. You are mentioning that's with the inclusion of the contrast right?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You are mentioning that's with the inclusion of the contrast right? What I stated = proven facts, if thats what you mean.

Originally posted by Galan007
What I stated = proven facts, if thats what you mean. Much like moore's documentary's, he manages to tell the truth but still decieves people by convenently leaving out information. hmm

Alpha the Ultimate Mutant

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/alphatum.htm

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hyperstorm is the most powerful character in the comic book universe. He stopped Living Tribunal, Holy Spawn, Man of Miracles, Superman, Raiden, the Elder Gods(Mortal Kombat), Thanos(with heart of the universe), SS4 Gogeta (yes even anime/manga was involved), the In-Betweener,the Beyonder, Magus, the One Above All (THE WRITER OF THE COMIC), and all other warriors good and bad in the comic multiverse singlehandedly.

Here for more

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Hyperstorm


OMG. that's just the funniest shit i've ever read from wiki!!! it reminded me of myself when i was just 7 yrs old and i was making up my own hero, who should of course more powerful than anybody else, and so i just dumped all the powers of all the pre existing fictional characters i could think of.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Those clowns over at Marveldatabase,
must've been on some serious drugs when they made up that poppycock.

just for even making them consider to write that crazy article, im thinkin i would want to try whatever that stuff they were on!! must have been really fun.

Originally posted by Creshosk
YEs how is bombarding a person's brain with electromagnetic energy like bombarding a person's brain with electromagnetic energy?

How can you possibly compare the two?

I mean one is electromagnetic energy shot into a person's brain.. and the other? Its shooting electromagnetic energy into the person's brain...


Yeah I don't see how the two things that are exactly the same sans the source can possibly be compared...

My point it that saying an being struck with a beam of EM that was visible traveling though the air is the same as an MRI is like saying that getting punched in the face is like being hit by a truck.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
My point it that saying an being struck with a beam of EM that was visible traveling though the air is the same as an MRI is like saying that getting punched in the face is like being hit by a truck. Right... because it's not a sham distinction to say that one type of energy is actually two different types.