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Toguro has heard tell of a little dweeb who's getting too big for his emo pants.

And has kindly offered a pimpslap to the chump.

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LOL

Sasuke dies

And there was much rejoicing.

Of course now the Narutards are going to come in here and start whining

You're telling me someone can seriously think Sasuke could withstand that Spirit Gun? Not just withstand it, but completely shrug it off while not at full power?

That thing must have pushed Toguro around a mile out of the stadium and through who knows what else.

Which is funny 'cause he leisurely walked back. But still, that was one hell of a blast and he treated it like nothing.

ROFL! Toguro murks this b*tch at 30%.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
ROFL! Toguro murks this b*tch at 30%.

Co-signed

If he doesn't piss about and let Sasuke go curse mark, probably 20%

actually, the rei gun that toguro took the brunt off wasnt anywhere near as powerful as yasuke was with it nearthe end of the manga. and sasuke has shown real power in his fight against diedar and still he hasnt shown the full range of his powers. toguro is not as flexible. i say cure mark 2 sasuke wins.

Sasuke was going all out against Deidara. Toguro easily outclasses Sasuke in power and strength tough Sasuke I think may have the speed advantage. I think Toguro could win but he'd have to go 100 percent and it won't be easy.

I think Sasuke could win, if he uses his full range of abilities... But that doesn't necesarily mean he will.

Originally posted by Kento
Sasuke was going all out against Deidara. Toguro easily outclasses Sasuke in power and strength tough Sasuke I think may have the speed advantage. I think Toguro could win but he'd have to go 100 percent and it won't be easy.

not really. he wasnt. he wasnt anywhere near as flustered as diedara. n he didnt use a single katon jutsu. he hasnt shown his entire range of abilities either.

Maybe because he has lightning moves that are stronger than his fire because they actually do something. When has a fire style move ever did anything at all in a fight? And Sasuke was nearly out of Chakra he just doesn't show as much emotion as Deidara so obviously he isn't going to act anything like Deidara was.

when has a fire style move done anything in a fight? i dunno, when sasuke melted the top of a mountain and destroyed the thousand strong ladder of kyuubi chakra naruto at the defection. or maybe when itachi bust through jiraya's unbeatable prison with amaterasu. or when katon gyokakyo no jutsu created a long crater and had kakashi, naruto and sakura going for cover when itachi clone used it. or maybe when hidan used his fire jutsu to destroy the opposition. fire is as strong as any other element.

Oh please, Toguro at 100% would just eat his soul. Toguro is far faster, stronger, more powerful, more durable, and is a better fighter than Sasuke. Toguro at 80% I think it was took a Rei Gun blast that destroyed a sizable portion of the island, and wasn't even injured. Let's say Sasuke actually hurt him, Toguro has a healing factor. Toguro is more powerful in every way.

Point being?

At the end of YYH, Yusuke could solo the Narutoverse with ease.



Toguro has a vast amount of abilities.

Besides his great durability, he has excellent regeneration. He can flick the air with the force enought o create bullets firing at machinegun speeds. He can drain soulsat 100%.

Toguro may not be as versatile as Sasuke but he's not lacking. He's more than just a brick.

Toguro can easily take anything Sasuke can dish out, and could do more damage with his punches than Sasuke could with Chidori.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually, the rei gun that toguro took the brunt off wasnt anywhere near as powerful as yasuke was with it nearthe end of the manga. and sasuke has shown real power in his fight against diedar and still he hasnt shown the full range of his powers. toguro is not as flexible. i say cure mark 2 sasuke wins.

thought he doesn't start in cursemark 2. Thing is it's a last resport, you think he'd realise he needs it before it's too late?

yup he wud. shaaringan.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
HrsGU7N1cOQ

The music for this video fails, hard.

And Sasuke loses because none of his powers can stop regeneration like Naruto's can.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yup he wud. shaaringan.

I thought it was the Byakugan that had all the analytical skills....

Oh yeah, fair enough then....

Musical taste is subjective. Don't try to pass off as your opinion is better than other's.

Toguro curbs 2nd Curse Mark Sasuke as well.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Toguro curbs 2nd Curse Mark Sasuke as well.

Agreed....

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Toguro curbs 2nd Curse Mark Sasuke as well.

I disagree, if Sasuke gets into Curse Mark stage 2, He beats Toguro

Originally posted by Remindme
I disagree, if Sasuke gets into Curse Mark stage 2, He curbs Toguro Even tho Toguro is still stronger, faster, more duarble, and a magnitude more powerful?

Faster? are you sure?

Can Toguro regerate his heart?



Toguro loses points & respect for losing to Yusuke

Originally posted by Remindme
Faster? are you sure?

Can Toguro regerate his heart?



Toguro loses points & respect for losing to Yusuke Yusuke at that point could easily blow up a mountain.

Maybe, not like Chidori will even get thru his skin.

Toguro is faster than Genkai, who casually ran thru a forest near instantly.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yusuke at that point could easily blow up a mountain.

Maybe, not like Chidori will even get thru his skin.

Toguro is faster than Genkai, who casually ran thru a forest near instantly.

Lol, yeah sure, a mountain, right

Maybe not a thousand chirping birds, but a thousand flapping birds would.

New Speed for sasuke, he copies it.... that's why Toguro will lose, Sharingan, plus Curse level 2 form is many ten times his normal forms power..... Besides Toguro looks pretty slow and clumsy to me, if Yusuke can dodge, Sasuke definatly can.....

Don't forget my favourite Jutsu...
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Thousand Birds Current

Originally posted by Remindme
Lol, yeah sure, a mountain, right

Maybe not a thousand chirping birds, but a thousand flapping birds would.

New Speed for sasuke, he copies it.... that's why Toguro will lose, Sharingan, plus Curse level 2 form is many ten times his normal forms power..... Besides Toguro looks pretty slow and clumsy to me, if Yusuke can dodge, Sasuke definatly can.....

Don't forget my favourite Jutsu...
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z156/DiffidentAngel/Sasuke___Chidori_Discharge_by_pokef.jpg
Thousand Birds Current 1. Yeah, a mountain. Don't state things for a fact if you don't know what you are talking about.

2. Too bad it would miss.

3. Sasuke can't copy speed, only jutsus. He had to go thru intense training to be able to do the speed Rock Lee possesses. Toguro slow? Also, Yusuke was fast enough to block dodge many beyond bulletspeed flying objects fired by sniper. Toguro was faster than Genkai, who ran thru a whole forest casually in a near instant. He is big and bulky, but he is faster than you think.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Yeah, a mountain. Don't state things for a fact if you don't know what you are talking about.

2. Too bad it would miss.

3. Sasuke can't copy speed, only jutsus. He had to go thru intense training to be able to do the speed Rock Lee possesses. Toguro slow? Also, Yusuke was fast enough to block dodge many beyond bulletspeed flying objects fired by sniper. Toguro was faster than Genkai, who ran thru a whole forest casually in a near instant. He is big and bulky, but he is faster than you think.

1. What proof to you have that Yusuke can Originally posted by Violent2Dope
easily blow up a mountain ?

2. I doubt it would you know

3. Nope, he had to go through intense training to improve taijustsu and lear Chidori, It was said Sasuke copied the speed kakashi told him about. You don't learn to be that fast in a month silly

Originally posted by Remindme
1. What proof to you have that Yusuke can ?

2. I doubt it would you know

3. Nope, he had to go through intense training to improve taijustsu and lear Chidori, It was said Sasuke copied the speed kakashi told him about. You don't learn to be that fast in a month silly 1. The fact that Genkai with the same move easily did, and Yusuke was far stronger.

2. Either that or he blocks it with one arm, which would be shredded, and then regens it. It may not hurt him, he has withstanded more than it while at 80%.

3. Sasuke didn't even see Rock Lee move at that speed, he could not have copied it. He had to gain that speed to learn Chidori.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. The fact that Genkai with the same move easily did, and Yusuke was far stronger.

2. Either that or he blocks it with one arm, which would be shredded, and then regens it. It may not hurt him, he has withstanded more than it while at 80%.

3. Sasuke didn't even see Rock Lee move at that speed, he could not have copied it. He had to gain that speed to learn Chidori.

1. Yusuke was stronger?? WTF?! in that fight Yusuke's only advantage was speed and tactics, Toguro was definatly Stronger

2. Sharingan would predict the movement and so Sasuke can move to get his heart, oh so simple.

3. Thats because he didn't know it could copy speed until Kakashi taught him it could. True, but he copied the speed, If you want i'll find the managa epp that states it but it's troublesome to do so don't ask me to unless your certain that it's not true, mmkay?

The situtation is pretty moot about strength and speed. Even if Suaske was a match the guy regenerates form pretty mcuh everything. Thats gotta be hard to stop.

Originally posted by Warmonger
The situtation is pretty moot about strength and speed. Even if Suaske was a match the guy regenerates form pretty mcuh everything. Thats gotta be hard to stop.

Naruto's regeneration was more impressive, and Sasuke defeated him in all fairness.

Where does the idea that Sasuke is as fast as Yusuke come from?

Even before the Dark Tournament began, Hiei faced a guy who could throw about a hundred punches a second and easily sliced him up 16 times before he could even throw one. Yusuke later proved to be as fast as Hiei just before the tournament started.

I think it's safe to say he was a good deal faster than Sasuke at this point.
Originally posted by Remindme
Naruto's regeneration was more impressive, and Sasuke defeated him in all fairness.
How so? Toguro has shown he can regenerate just as much body mass as Naruto has. He even had a sword in his gut for a while and it didn't even bother him.

Not that it matters any way. Yusuke's spirit gun at this point was capable of leveling a giant-sized rock and Toguro at 80% easily shrugged it off. Sasuke's chidori has showed to be able to put large holes in a rock about the same size as the one Genkai destroyed.

Originally posted by Accel
Where does the idea that Sasuke is as fast as Yusuke come from?

Even before the Dark Tournament began, Hiei faced a guy who could throw about a hundred punches a second and easily sliced him up 16 times before he could even throw one. Yusuke later proved to be as fast as Hiei just before the tournament started.

I think it's safe to say he was a good deal faster than Sasuke at this point.

Because you can't see him when he moves, i haven't seen Toguro move that fast, if you have post it please, all evidence is appreaciated.

Plus he has the whole Sharingan thing, so he can read you movements then copy them perfectly, so you know, trying to speedblitz Sasuke really isn't going to work

Originally posted by Accel
How so? Toguro has shown he can regenerate just as much body mass as Naruto has. He even had a sword in his gut for a while and it didn't even bother him.

Not that it matters any way. Yusuke's spirit gun at this point was capable of leveling a giant-sized rock and Toguro at 80% easily shrugged it off. Sasuke's chidori has showed to be able to put large holes in a rock about the same size as the one Genkai destroyed. Okay, you got a manga page or Anime episode where he had a lung destroyed and regenerates it?

That's because it's concentrated Chakra, it's used to do huge damage to a specific point, otherwise it wouldn't be an assassin technique would it? Nothing stealthy about blowing a building up.....

Originally posted by Remindme
1. Yusuke was stronger?? WTF?! in that fight Yusuke's only advantage was speed and tactics, Toguro was definatly Stronger

2. Sharingan would predict the movement and so Sasuke can move to get his heart, oh so simple.

3. Thats because he didn't know it could copy speed until Kakashi taught him it could. True, but he copied the speed, If you want i'll find the managa epp that states it but it's troublesome to do so don't ask me to unless your certain that it's not true, mmkay? 1. No, he was more powerful in every way than Genkai, who blew up a mountain.

2. Fingerflipbullet ftw. He can fire small concentrated air darts at machinegun rate.

3. Prove it.

Originally posted by Remindme
Because you can't see him when he moves, i haven't seen Toguro move that fast, if you have post it please, all evidence is appreaciated.
People couldn’t see Hiei move when he pulled off his attack against Seiryuu, or Yusuke move when he fought Jin, or Genkai move when she pulled this feat off:
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4156/yuyuhakushovol10ch06pagwq8.jpg
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And Toguro’s kept up with both Yusuke and Genkai just fine.

As for Toguro himself, here he is pulling of the “disappearing in one spot and reappearing in another in his fight against Yusuke…
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Originally posted by Remindme
Plus he has the whole Sharingan thing, so he can read you movements then copy them perfectly, so you know, trying to speedblitz Sasuke really isn't going to work
He won’t be copying Toguro’s speed. He’ll just be able to predict where he going’s to move. It’s what he did in his fight against Naruto (who even in his demon fox mode hasn’t shown any speed near that of Hiei, Genkai, or Yusuke). And even then it’s not perfect.

If Toguro just shoots a bullet of air at Sasuke’s forehead, Sasuke may see it coming, but it’s not like he’ll be able to see the dangers and try to dodge it.
Originally posted by Remindme
Okay, you got a manga page or Anime episode where he had a lung destroyed and regenerates it?
No, but when you can have a sword in your gut without sweating it out, what difference does it make?
Originally posted by Remindme
That's because it's concentrated Chakra, it's used to do huge damage to a specific point, otherwise it wouldn't be an assassin technique would it? Nothing stealthy about blowing a building up.....
There’s nothing stealthy about Chidori either. Practically every time we see Kakashi or Sasuke pull it out, they destroy every thing in their paths.

And it still hasn’t shown any where near the same amount of damage output as the spirit gun.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. No, he was more powerful in every way than Genkai, who blew up a mountain.

2. Fingerflipbullet ftw. He can fire small concentrated air darts at machinegun rate.

3. Prove it.

1. Wait, what? genkai you mean Yusuke or Toguro? i'm lost ^^'

2. I think he's more than capable of dodging

3. Damn you: Here's Sasuke having copied Lee's Speed

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z156/DiffidentAngel/18.jpg

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Originally posted by Accel
People couldn’t see Hiei move when he pulled off his attack against Seiryuu, or Yusuke move when he fought Jin, or Genkai move when she pulled this feat off:
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4156/yuyuhakushovol10ch06pagwq8.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1461/yuyuhakushovol10ch06pagmf5.jpg

And Toguro’s kept up with both Yusuke and Genkai just fine.

As for Toguro himself, here he is pulling of the “disappearing in one spot and reappearing in another in his fight against Yusuke…
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7570/yuyuhakushovol12ch03pagyz5.png
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7881/yuyuhakushovol12ch08paghj3.png

So, both can't be seen, Sasuke will have the Sharingan Advantage, putting him ahead.



Originally posted by Accel
He won’t be copying Toguro’s speed. He’ll just be able to predict where he going’s to move. It’s what he did in his fight against Naruto (who even in his demon fox mode hasn’t shown any speed near that of Hiei, Genkai, or Yusuke). And even then it’s not perfect.

If Toguro just shoots a bullet of air at Sasuke’s forehead, Sasuke may see it coming, but it’s not like he’ll be able to see the dangers and try to dodge it.

No, but when you can have a sword in your gut without sweating it out, what difference does it make?

There’s nothing stealthy about Chidori either. Practically every time we see Kakashi or Sasuke pull it out, they destroy every thing in their paths.

And it still hasn’t shown any where near the same amount of damage output as the spirit gun.

It's not just predict, it basically fortells, since i can't think of a time where it was wrong, bar 1 tail naruto because the demon fox's cloak moved it the opposite direction

I think Sasuke will think to dodge projectiles, that just obvious

Well a normal human can suruve a sword in the gut, no human on earth has yet to survive a lung being totally destroyed.

Well you're supposed to hold them down, like Kakashi did with his dog squad on Zabuza

Specific point damage, and it was stated it can cut through anything by kakashi or Gai, i can't remember

Originally posted by Remindme
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3. Damn you: Here's Sasuke having copied Lee's Speed

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z156/DiffidentAngel/18.jpg


Sasuke isn't copying his speed. He used his Sharingan to copy his movements, then TRAINED RIGOROUSLY in order to achieve that speed. The Sharingan doesn't enhance your movements or strength in any way, it just copies your opponents movements and then uses that to predict what he's going to do next. But that is useless if the users body can't react fast enough to defend oneself, as lee proved.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Musical taste is subjective. Don't try to pass off as your opinion is better than other's.

I never said it wasn't. Quit your b1tching.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Sasuke isn't copying his speed. He used his Sharingan to copy his movements, then TRAINED RIGOROUSLY in order to achieve that speed. The Sharingan doesn't enhance your movements or strength in any way, it just copies your opponents movements and then uses that to predict what he's going to do next. But that is useless if the users body can't react fast enough to defend oneself, as lee proved. It copies the movement of the target, including speed, he was trained to handle the speed, and to master Chidri. Don't twist

Tsk tsk tsk...Sasuke only copied elements of his Taijutsu. He had to train his body to achieve that speed.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Tsk tsk tsk...Sasuke only copied elements of his Taijutsu. He had to train his body to achieve that speed. He copied his Movements

Originally posted by Remindme
He copied his Movements Exactly, his taijutsu movements. He needed to TRAIN to reach that speed.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Exactly, his taijutsu movements. He needed to TRAIN to reach that speed.

Go back, a read it again, no one can believe he's that fast in a mere month.....why is that? because he copied the speed dammit!!

Originally posted by Remindme
Go back, a read it again, no one can believe he's that fast in a mere month.....why is that? because he copied the speed dammit!! I read it. Might Guy clearly says Kakashi had Sasuke increase his speed.

Originally posted by Remindme
1. Wait, what? genkai you mean Yusuke or Toguro? i'm lost ^^'

2. I think he's more than capable of dodging

3. Damn you: Here's Sasuke having copied Lee's Speed

He showed that kind of speed because Kakashi was training him in taijutsu that whole month. They even state it in those scans you posted.
Originally posted by Remindme
So, both can't be seen, Sasuke will have the Sharingan Advantage, putting him ahead.
Both not being seen when moving doesn’t put them on the same level of speed. If it did, both would be as fast as DBZ characters.

Sasuke hasn’t even shown speeds that put him on Hiei’s level during the Saint Beasts arc, much less Dark Tournament Hiei. If you actually want to prove Sasuke’s nearly as fast as Toguro, you need to show him actually doing some thing on the same level as YYH characters, because even Kuwabara early in the series has moved so fast that people couldn’t see him.
Originally posted by Remindme
It's not just predict, it basically fortells, since i can't think of a time where it was wrong, bar 1 tail naruto because the demon fox's cloak moved it the opposite direction
It also requires him to be at least on par of his opponent’s level of speed. If the difference in speed is great enough, it won’t make a difference.
Originally posted by Remindme
I think Sasuke will think to dodge projectiles, that just obvious
How? To him, it’s just Toguro flicking his thumb. Sasuke won’t even know its damage output until the attack connects and by then it’s already too late.
Originally posted by Remindme
Well a normal human can suruve a sword in the gut, no human on earth has yet to survive a lung being totally destroyed.
A normal human can’t keep a sword in the gut unbothered and then just pop it out like nothing happened.

And Toguro’s been consistently shown to be more durable than Naruto any way, so it’s pretty moot.
Originally posted by Remindme
Well you're supposed to hold them down, like Kakashi did with his dog squad on Zabuza

Specific point damage, and it was stated it can cut through anything by kakashi or Gai, i can't remember
Which doesn’t change the fact that it hasn’t shown any where near the damage output as Yusuke’s spirit gun. Yusuke’s punches could easily put a crater in the ground and Toguro at 100% was easily blocking those same punches with only his thumb.

His spirit gun was easily destroying large boulders (when Genkai showed it), demolishing portions of forests and Toguro still was unaffected for the most part by those blasts. Chidori couldn’t even pierce all the way through a single large rock.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I read it. Might Guy clearly says Kakashi had Sasuke increase his speed.

"Fast! about the same as Lee's starting speed "

"He's about the same speed as ... Lee without the weights "

Come on!!!

Same as lee's starting speed, then same speed as him without the weights, if Sasuke trained his own speed that's pretty damn coincidental isn't it?!

Come on V2D took be the best part of an Hour to find this, the evidence suggest strongly Sasuke copied the speed, i can't believe you're denying that

Originally posted by Accel
He showed that kind of speed because Kakashi was training him in taijutsu that whole month. They even state it in those scans you posted. Read above, the evidence clearely suggests what i'm telling you

Originally posted by Accel
Both not being seen when moving doesn’t put them on the same level of speed. If it did, both would be as fast as DBZ characters. Well we have no way of knowing who is faster, and if you claim one is that is bull unless you have proof you have yet shown

Originally posted by Accel
Sasuke hasn’t even shown speeds that put him on Hiei’s level during the Saint Beasts arc, much less Dark Tournament Hiei. If you actually want to prove Sasuke’s nearly as fast as Toguro, you need to show him actually doing some thing on the same level as YYH characters, because even Kuwabara early in the series has moved so fast that people couldn’t see him. Dissapearing and the next thing Naruto, Sai, and Sakura being on their asses, 3 skilled ninja, especially Sai

Originally posted by Accel
It also requires him to be at least on par of his opponent’s level of speed. If the difference in speed is great enough, it won’t make a difference. Are you implying at this point Orochimaru is on the same level as Sasuke's speed? 2K0ZGWLjPFU My favourite Naruto fight to date

I remind you at this point he oonly has his premature Sharingan, Shippuden he has the mature Sharingan which is much better

Originally posted by Accel
How? To him, it’s just Toguro flicking his thumb. Sasuke won’t even know its damage output until the attack connects and by then it’s already too late. Sharingan would see them

Originally posted by Accel
A normal human can’t keep a sword in the gut unbothered and then just pop it out like nothing happened. Normal human can lift an arena either. Point is that having a lung destroyed is a better feat than sword in the gut.

Originally posted by Accel
And Toguro’s been consistently shown to be more durable than Naruto any way, so it’s pretty moot. not while he has the regeneration.

Originally posted by Accel
Which doesn’t change the fact that it hasn’t shown any where near the damage output as Yusuke’s spirit gun. Yusuke’s punches could easily put a crater in the ground and Toguro at 100% was easily blocking those same punches with only his thumb. Of course not, but you failed because my point was it's still leathal to Toguro

Originally posted by Accel
His spirit gun was easily destroying large boulders (when Genkai showed it), demolishing portions of forests and Toguro still was unaffected for the most part by those blasts. Chidori couldn’t even pierce all the way through a single large rock. You're heart is only 1 inch into your chest

As you can see from that video, Sasuke has already defeated stronger, faster, more durable and more experience foes.

Yet Toguro is the same speed with at best until proven otherwise