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Judges: Nvr, Kurash, Illadelph, Smurf, and battlehammer.

Arena: LA, starts in front of Tri-Star studios. Combatents are 3-4 blocks apart.

Classic Apocalypse vs. Guardian I.

Apocalypse has all normal 616 feats and is assumed to be at his classic level of power.

Guardian I has all his normal feats and is the cyborg version.

Battle ends at 6PM Wed Oct 17 2007.

Game on.

AAAAHHHHH!!!!! TOO MUCH CONTENT! Can you not make all your posts essays btw?

Let's start with the vast superiority of Apoc's durability. Yes, he healed from goo, in a weakened state. He was so weak, his body was falling apart.

An extremely weakened Apocalypse (bones breaking with every step, falling apart, flesh rending, etc.) beats 6 X-Men in under 60 seconds

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen3.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen4.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen5.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen6.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen7.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen8.jpg

so don't try to say that was a fair showing.

Here's his fight with the HE.

Apocalypse looked to have the edge in this fight, and against a (sub) skyfather level HE, though he did not beat him. High Evolutionary is one who has fought a constantly evolving Immortal Hercules and the Avengers singlehandedly.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers1.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers24.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe25.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe26.png


'Ike Harris' aka Prime Eternal Ikaris.


Apocalypse defeats or has the definitive upper hand against Ikaris in a fight, even stating he could kill him (likely sub-atomic dispersal over a very wide area for a Prime Eternal). Does severely injure Ikaris with some sort of spike, which had to be more than a physical attack to do that to him. Ikaris also fell to Earth unconscious.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph3.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph4.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph5.png

Can you do more damage than Blackbolt? Or X-Factor, the Inhumans, Askani/Rachael Summers, and Charlotte Jones w/big tech gun, all at the same time?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png

Now, onto energy powers.

Living Monolith? Pshh, taste Apoc's pimp cane.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apocalypseowns.jpg

While weakened, he drains Cyclops dry of energy.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers6.png

Bit of energy control.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/oneshootsenergy.png

Apocalypse controlled his celestial tech ship by controlling it's particles.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocslave.png

Apoc redirecting Storm and Havoc's blast, while amping it back at them.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apocstorm2.jpg

So Apocalpyse has options.

One of which you yourself gave me. Technopathy.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Apocalypse morphs his hand to interact with Celestial tech.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3019/apocinteractcelestialey4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Apocalypse can adapt his molecular structure to any adversity.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocadaptmolcularstructure.png

Cable confirming that he has the same virus as Apoc and that Apocalypse can regen himself from a single drop of blood.
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Apocalypse is capable of regenerating his entire body from a drop of blood and surrounding matter.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocbloodremanin.png

Apocalypse can create materials and alloys out of his body, and he's altered adamantium and encountered it before. He took Sabertooth's adamantium and gave it back to Wolverine when he made him into his Death horseman.

A weakened Apocalypse (As he was during the entire Apocalypse vs. Dracula mini-series) vs. one of his most powerful descendants who was also turned into a vampire (increasing his power).

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/X-MenApocalypsevsDracula3-008.jpg
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/X-MenApocalypsevsDracula3-009.jpg
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/X-MenApocalypsevsDracula3-010.jpg

Note the gun he forms and that the gun expels bullets. Bullets formed from his own body.

Oh yes, I forgot. During X-ecutioner's song, he cured Xavier of the TO virus and controlled it easily. So what's stopping him from using it on Mac?

You have no defense against technopathy, and if you think your canadian tech can counter celestial technology, then you are nuts.

Your move.

Counterpost
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let's start with the vast superiority of Apoc's durability. Yes, he healed from goo, in a weakened state. He was so weak, his body was falling apart.

An extremely weakened Apocalypse (bones breaking with every step, falling apart, flesh rending, etc.) beats 6 X-Men in under 60 seconds

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen3.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen4.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen5.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen6.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen7.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Derek9012/apocvsxmen8.jpg

so don't try to say that was a fair showing.

*snickers* Not a great showing here, as Mac could literally send out an E-M field instantly disrupting their neural patterns taking out all the X-Men, which he can defiently do to Apoc

1. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/alpha_flight_93_Mac.jpg

I was talking about his healing factor in general not how he got like that. Not like it matters as there is no way for Apoc to stop Mac from shutting him down.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Here's his fight with the HE.

Apocalypse looked to have the edge in this fight, and against a (sub) skyfather level HE, though he did not beat him. High Evolutionary is one who has fought a constantly evolving Immortal Hercules and the Avengers singlehandedly.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers1.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers24.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe25.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe26.png

and where or where did HE show any level of subskyfather power here? Because if that's subskyfather I guess that means Guardian is above taking down Galactus and all. Hell here is Heather defeating two Elder Gods . I guess Guardian is skyfather after all

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight55-14.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight55-15.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

'Ike Harris' aka Prime Eternal Ikaris.

Apocalypse defeats or has the definitive upper hand against Ikaris in a fight, even stating he could kill him (likely sub-atomic dispersal over a very wide area for a Prime Eternal). Does severely injure Ikaris with some sort of spike, which had to be more than a physical attack to do that to him. Ikaris also fell to Earth unconscious.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph3.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph4.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph5.png

and how oh how does that even come close to realating to Guardian? He isn't a melee fighter so he won't charge at him, and he has insanely durable shields. Shields Apoc would not get through.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Can you do more damage than Blackbolt? Or X-Factor, the Inhumans, Askani/Rachael Summers, and Charlotte Jones w/big tech gun, all at the same time?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png

and how do we know how strong Blackbolt's scream was here? Considering the surrounding area wasn't effected I'm not to concerned. While Mac has shown to take a nuke and cover an entire building to protect from the nuke

1. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/AlphaFlightv220-AlphaOmega03-19.jpg
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Now, onto energy powers.

Living Monolith? Pshh, taste Apoc's pimp cane.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apocalypseowns.jpg

and? Apoc made Monolith so I don’t see how that’s impressive.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

While weakened, he drains Cyclops dry of energy.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers6.png

Meh again, this was pre-upgrade Cyclops who has an unlimited supply. Back in those days Cyclops tired himself out frequently. While Mac has an indefinite amount of stamina. Also Guardian > Cyclops

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Bit of energy control.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/oneshootsenergy.png

*scratches his head* That’s it? Mac has complete and utter control over the E-M spectrum. Has anyone else ever did this to Doom? Nope.

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlightv191-19.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Apocalypse controlled his celestial tech ship by controlling it's particles.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocslave.png

*psst* Apoc doesn’t have his ship here.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Apoc redirecting Storm and Havoc's blast, while amping it back at them. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apocstorm2.jpg

Meh again, have you seen anyone do this to Klaw? And those attacks wouldn’t even phaze Guardian

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight121-17.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight121-18.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight121-19.jpg
Originally posted by TricksterPriest

So Apocalpyse has options.

Not really if those blasts have defeated Galactus, why would Apoc be safe. Also your going by the assumption Mac only can with through melee, which he doesn’t even need to or is it a focal point of him winning here. He would access Apoc wavelength and shut him down, he has no defense against that. He doesn’t even have to touch him to that. Here Mac disrupts Headlok’s entire control and preventing him from using his telepathy again

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight94-17.jpg

I'm not done yet. survialdurest Survival of the durest. This is my last stand.

Alright, so you think your wavelength manipulation can take Apoc out.

I'm going to disabuse you of that notion.


http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6038/whatifvol2069stryfeapoceb0.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9649/whatifvol2069stryfeapocob7.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9963/whatifvol2069stryfeapocrh4.th.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4287/whatifvol2069stryfeapocgc3.th.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3481/whatifvol2069stryfeapocmc1.th.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3716/whatifvol2069stryfeapockf1.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8895/whatifvol2069stryfeapocpj6.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3420/whatifvol2069stryfeapocqp0.th.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5410/whatifvol2069stryfeapocep6.th.jpg

That's Stryfe, the Xmen, the dark riders, X-factor, and X-force.

All singlehandedly beat by Apocalypse.

I'm going to continue this over a few posts. I'm not done yet.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1093/apocalypsevsdracula4005eo4.th.jpg


An entire tribe of N'garai demons, soloed by Apocalypse.

Hell, Mindless Hulk couldn't even kill one N'garai. And even after it was seemingly beaten, it got right back up.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/116/ngarai1a3kjkx0.th.jpghttp://img223.imageshack.us/img223/571/ngarai1b5znim9.th.jpghttp://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9219/ngarai1c2glxf4.th.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1289/ngarai1d1ollt2.th.jpghttp://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6659/ngarai1e5ywye4.th.jpghttp://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1771/ngarai1f6jdxc0.th.jpg

Ummm...what does any of that have to do to stop wavelength manipulation? If your posting random feats, I can do the same thing. Even your initial post really didn't counter anything, your just posting things which have no bearing here. Even the people who you think are impressive would do nothing to Guardian, so your basically back to square one.

All that doesn't even the least show he can stop wavelength manipulation, cope with his speed or even blasts that defeated a weakened Galactus, or his durability

I'm not done. That was just a warmup. I'll be back in an hour or so.

I just wanted to bump the thread with some good feats.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not done yet. survialdurest Survival of the durest. This is my last stand.

Alright, so you think your wavelength manipulation can take Apoc out.

I'm going to disabuse you of that notion.


http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6038/whatifvol2069stryfeapoceb0.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9649/whatifvol2069stryfeapocob7.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9963/whatifvol2069stryfeapocrh4.th.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4287/whatifvol2069stryfeapocgc3.th.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3481/whatifvol2069stryfeapocmc1.th.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3716/whatifvol2069stryfeapockf1.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8895/whatifvol2069stryfeapocpj6.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3420/whatifvol2069stryfeapocqp0.th.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5410/whatifvol2069stryfeapocep6.th.jpg

That's Stryfe, the Xmen, the dark riders, X-factor, and X-force.

All singlehandedly beat by Apocalypse.

I'm going to continue this over a few posts. I'm not done yet.

Wait a minute, that's a what if story. Why are you even using this? Like I said your back to square one.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not done. That was just a warmup. I'll be back in an hour or so.

I just wanted to bump the thread with some good feats.

How are non-canon feats good? Me thinks you tried to slip something by here

or did you forget your own rules?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apocalypse has all normal 616 feats and is assumed to be at his classic level of power.

Talked to Evil_ash. He says that one is canon. shrug

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Talked to Evil_ash. He says that one is canon. shrug

It's a what if story, regardless not like it helps you even here

"What if? Stryfe & Apocalypse Killled the X-Men"

I probably shouldn't post here (and I'm not aware where else I should)...

But Trickster...

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
It's all canon. duryes

Does the Dur smiley not mean anything to you?

And I outright stated, that it was from a What If story.

trick, that gunna really gunna way in my opinion and vote on this fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
trick, that gunna really gunna way in my opinion and vote on this fight.

*scratches his head* What?

the fact he tried to use a what if this match up really hurts my respect for him and will effect my vote.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
the fact he tried to use a what if this match up really hurts my respect for him and will effect my vote.

You should recuse yourself from the judging process then. You should vote on the evidence presented. If the opposing side rebuffs that evidence, then they did thier job. And the fact that tricks didn't know it wasn't admissable.

I vote me for new judge. lol

Oh crap sorry wrong thread.

I plead ignorance on that one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You should recuse yourself from the judging process then. You should vote on the evidence presented. If the opposing side rebuffs that evidence, then they did thier job. And the fact that tricks didn't know it wasn't admissable.

.............trick clearly new it was not cannon hell the person he asked put a dur after his statement...........


either way I will ignore it for the sake of the match.

I give my vote now as I have to head out to the gym. Good fight you two. But Mungi argued better. I saw places where trick should have called him, or feats that Apoc had that could back trick up, but he didn't use them and didn't call mungi on some things.
My vote is for Mungi. Since I know lil of each, Mungi provided the superior argument for his Toon.

Shit. One down, 4 to go.

For the record, the timetravel loop at the end of the story means it could be canon. Fact is, I wasn't sure. I apologize for using something of dubious canonicity. Mea culpa.

Ok.

apocalypse would not be affected by the wavelength manipulation.

Kang's ultra diode ray took out the F4 on it's weakest setting.

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page321nt2.jpg

but, at full power, it only succeeds in awakening Apocalypse's full powers.

http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page412wj7.jpg

Now, why am I bringing this up? Simple. It showcases something that most writers forget about Apoc. He can adapt.

The TO virus from Sinister, adapted to and under his control.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocadaptmolcularstructure.png

A world-killing plague, designed to kill off the entire planet, re-engineered to target Apocalypse alone. It weakened Apocalypse, who was not at full power to begin with, but it couldn't kill him.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocsurviveworldplague.png

The nuclear radiation of Chernobyl, which almost nothing can survive prolonged exposure to. In this scan, two beings have evolved and adapted to survive the toxic conditions. The large earthworms found in the area (true story, there really are worms that have evolved to survive radiation).........and Apocalypse.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocybernoal.png

Apocalypse can track your movements better than you think.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe26.png

and you can't hide from him.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe27.png

And btw, you're not the only one with point to point teleportation. That was the HE that Apoc teleported, and here's a teleportation across the world.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocblowsup.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

And yes, that is Exodus being punked in the 2nd scan.

More fun to come in a bit.

Fight's over it's past 6, and anyways half of what you posted was pointless.

Maybe he's a different time zone?

Doesn't matter any....

Let 'im post his scans, does a couple of hours make a difference?

I thought it was 6PM my time? It's only 3:50 here.

In fact, I distinctly remember saying west coast time.

Originally posted by llagrok
Let 'im post his scans, does a couple of hours make a difference?

Yes, as I have said I don't have much time with work and mid-terms. I finished my posts in the time allowed while Trick even posted after the timelimit.

Honestly I know you like Apoc, but give it up

Mungi - does it matter? You already have one vote, with the next two, this match is yours.

Everyone can clearly see that much. And, like I said, timezones - maybe he's confused?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I thought it was 6PM my time? It's only 3:50 here.

In fact, I distinctly remember saying west coast time.

No, you said the starting time was your time but made no mention of timezone for the finish. I even said wed isn't good for me, so we started it early. I even made several mentions in the other thread.

Originally posted by Soljer
Mungi - does it matter? You already have one vote, with the next two, this match is yours.

Everyone can clearly see that much. And, like I said, timezones - maybe he's confused?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes, as I have said I don't have much time with work and mid-terms. I finished my posts in the time allowed while Trick even posted after the timelimit.

Honestly I know you like Apoc, but give it up

I thought that both time constraints were ridiculous in Nvr's and Goober's match as well. Ending it on Wednesday is okay, but Wednesday 6 pm?

Originally posted by llagrok
I thought that both time constraints were ridiculous in Nvr's and Goober's match as well. Ending it on Wednesday is okay, but Wednesday 6 pm?

Actually I didn't agree to wed, I even said in the other thread tuesday as I wouldn't have time so we started early. We originally were going to start monday, but we ended up starting sunday as I said I wouldn't have much time.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually I didn't agree to wed, I even said in the other thread tuesday as I wouldn't have time so we started early.

Yeah, but I don't think TP thought you wanted to move the time-table, only start it a little earlier. Either way those are the rules I suppose, sorry for butting in.

Originally posted by llagrok
Yeah, but I don't think TP thought you wanted to move the time-table, only start it a little earlier. Either way those are the rules I suppose, sorry for butting in.

I even said it in the thread a few times I wanted tuesday.

Last post.

You talk about your weaponry. What's stopping me from absorbing your weapons?
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apocabsorbunlimitedwg5.png

Or TK crushing you in a forcefield? Or just straight TK crushing you under a building?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/Apoccreateforcefield.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/palacerise.png

Again, you bring up Apoc's durability.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png

Despite what some people would say, by looking at BB's expression and the soundwave coming out of his mouth, it's more than a whisper. It's a shout, if not a scream.

I'm brining up the Ikaris fight one more time, but this time I'm going to highlight something that was overlooked.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png
Notice the hole in his body which he lets the beams pass through effortlessly.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph4.png
In this one, note that he causes damage to Ikaris that takes him awhile to recover from. Ikaris has reformed from atoms before, so in order to hurt him like that, Apocalypse had to damage his atomic structure. Finally, note in the last panel, that he dodges Ikaris's beams at pointblank range.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph5.png
And this is the conclusion of the fight.

So you've the power to beat Apocalypse a few times. But take the the majority from a being who can control his atomic structure and restructure it to his will, and has technology superior to your own? And not only that, but a being who has never been defeated at full power outside of a plot device?

I've made my case. Good fight Mungi, whichever way it goes.

Edit: For the record, I said Weds, several times. and I said west coast time. So enough of the time limit BS.

*sigh*

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
apocalypse would not be affected by the wavelength manipulation.

Kang's ultra diode ray took out the F4 on it's weakest setting.

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page321nt2.jpg

but, at full power, it only succeeds in awakening Apocalypse's full powers.

http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page412wj7.jpg
Now, why am I bringing this up? Simple. It showcases something that most writers forget about Apoc. He can adapt.

and how does that stop him from having his wavelength manipulated? Ie. having his brain shut off. I hope your not implying Apoc wouldn't become stronger with his mind not working are you? Guardian is above Kang, far above and that isn't even Kang in his future armor either.

Sadly for Apoc so can Guardian, he can change his wavelength to whatever the other person has. Has Apoc adapt in a battle? No not at all. Who did Galactus trust to power his tech? Not Quasar, not Sersi, not BOX IV but Guardian. He alone can access the required wavelength so to say Apoc could adapt somehow beyond the E-M spectrum is faulty.

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight100-31.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight100-33.jpg
3. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight100-34.jpg
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5. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight100-36.jpg
6. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight100-37.jpg


Originally posted by TricksterPriest

The TO virus from Sinister, adapted to and under his control.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocadaptmolcularstructure.png

Once again how does that even relate to what's happening here? and he had prep, which he doesn't have year or is someone useless here. So point?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

A world-killing plague, designed to kill off the entire planet, re-engineered to target Apocalypse alone. It weakened Apocalypse, who was not at full power to begin with, but it couldn't kill him.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocsurviveworldplague.png

Point again? Guardian doesn't have to kill Apoc to beat him no where was that ever claimed. It's like using the same logic Deadpool can't be knocked out as he is immortal..faulty.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

The nuclear radiation of Chernobyl, which almost nothing can survive prolonged exposure to. In this scan, two beings have evolved and adapted to survive the toxic conditions. The large earthworms found in the area (true story, there really are worms that have evolved to survive radiation).........and Apocalypse.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocybernoal.png

*snickers* Point again? honestly, your starting to talk crazy if you think this radiation where humans have survived somehow equals the combined might of the entire electro-magnetic spectrum.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Apocalypse can track your movements better than you think.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe26.png

Point? Guardian isn't going to go invisible so why would he care if he senses him?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

and you can't hide from him.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe27.png

Point? Guardian doesn't have to hide or ever once was said he needed to.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

And btw, you're not the only one with point to point teleportation. That was the HE that Apoc teleported, and here's a teleportation across the world.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocblowsup.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

And yes, that is Exodus being punked in the 2nd scan.

More fun to come in a bit.

Point? There's a difference between combat teleportation and traveling teleportation. Which Guardian isn't even using here. The "teleportation trick" is Guardian moving so fast it seems like teleportation but really isn't. Regardless, even Guardian can register people teleporting as shown

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlightv191-20.jpg
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Summary
-Once again you havn't countered Guardian's speed
-Once again you havn't counter Guardian's shields
-Once again you havn't countered Guardian's E-M manipulation

*sigh Part 2*

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You talk about your weaponry. What's stopping me from absorbing your weapons?
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apocabsorbunlimitedwg5.png

How on Earth does that prove he could take over Guardian's weapons? Hell beings stronger then Apoc have failed to do so.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Or TK crushing you in a forcefield? Or just straight TK crushing you under a building?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/Apoccreateforcefield.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/palacerise.png

*snickers* and how are you going to get past his shields again? Which to this date have yet to make a plan to get through them. Also you do realize Guardian has his own form of TK ie. His graviton beam, so there goes that plan of attack.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Again, you bring up Apoc's durability.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png
Despite what some people would say, by looking at BB's expression and the soundwave coming out of his mouth, it's more than a whisper. It's a shout, if not a scream.

and this was already countered pages ago, and for the record Guardian has hurt people stronger then Apoc.

A shout/scream are you flippin kidding me? haha you must be as Apoc clearly wouldn't be around if it was a shout or scream as even Blackbolt made cosmic beings feel fear when he did it and their vastly superior to Apoc.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

I'm brining up the Ikaris fight one more time, but this time I'm going to highlight something that was overlooked.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png
Notice the hole in his body which he lets the beams pass through effortlessly.


Good thing Guardian can made a wide-spread beam that is larger then Apoc is in the scan or simply just coat him with the energy like he does with Galactus

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight100-27.jpg

No way for Apoc to dodge something that coats you.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph4.png
In this one, note that he causes damage to Ikaris that takes him awhile to recover from. Ikaris has reformed from atoms before, so in order to hurt him like that, Apocalypse had to damage his atomic structure. Finally, note in the last panel, that he dodges Ikaris's beams at pointblank range.

No not at all, look at Sersi she has been hurt and didn't recover longer periods then that and they didn't hurt her atomic structure. In another incident Avengers #360, Vision attacks Sersi leaving her nearly for death. So really if you look at the big picture that's not impressive at all, when weaker people can do the exact same thing. She's a top Eternal just like Ikaris

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph5.png
And this is the conclusion of the fight.

ooooook, and that proves what?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

So you've the power to beat Apocalypse a few times. But take the the majority from a being who can control his atomic structure and restructure it to his will, and has technology superior to your own? And not only that, but a being who has never been defeated at full power outside of a plot device?


That's if you ignore everything Guardian has done in the past ie. Ranark who is above Apoc and he can control his atomic structure too. Even if by chance his tech is superior does it matter when Guardian was built to take on Galactus and he did.
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Summary:
-So once again no counter for Guardian's speed
-No counter for Guardian's shields
-No counter for Guardian accessing Apoc's wavelength and shutting him down for good

its over now correct?

Originally posted by Kurash
its over now correct?

I don't know anymore

hell trick last post should not be allowed since it was supose to have ended before that post.


I will have my answer tommarrow though as of the first page mungi is winning in my book but that could change

that was my last post. So yeah, it's over.

and my post is allowed. West coast time, not east coast. And it's 4:53 now.

im gonna have to agree with trick on the time rule, im gonna count all of his posts

Whatever, all's fair as long as Mungi's allowed to respond as well.

Magneto > Guardian and Apoc. ermmhappy

Originally posted by batdude123
Magneto > Guardian and Apoc. ermmhappy http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Red%20Sigs/regis.jpg

GTFO, fanboi. doped

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Red%20Sigs/regis.jpg

GTFO, fanboi. doped



http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8623/magripsapartapocalypse4li.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123


http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8623/magripsapartapocalypse4li.jpg

Can you say

http://home.ma.rr.com/twpics/pwned.jpg

King Mungi presented an extremely well organized arguement that Trick didnt exactly do to much to counter. The debate seemed one-sided, it wasnt clear how much time or effort Trickster was putting into this debate. He only had 3 posts i believe to King's however many (way more than 3).

Either way, King was much more clear and easy to follow and his points held focus a lot better. He got on the attack early and Trickster didnt really get a chance to recover, therefore I've got to give my vote to King Mungi

Smurph's Vote (Yes, I'm A Judge)

This made me cringe a little bit. Mungi stomped all over Trick... seriously, that was like a Grizzly Bear vs. Suzy, five year old girl from down the street.

Analytically, I agree with what's been said. Trick didn't do much in the way of countering, or, hell, even posting, and Mungi dropped practically an entire respect thread on his dome...

So, yeah, vote Trickster. ermmhappy













But, srsly,

Judge Vote: King Mungi

So that's game. I lost, as I figured I would. Stupid uber canadians. durlaugh

Seriously, good match. I hope to have a rematch when Apocalypse returns (and finally stops jobbing).

Good fight Mungi. *shakes his hand*

Right back at you, cheers.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Seriously, good match. What match were you in?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
What match were you in?

I supposed I could tell you to be nice, but that would be like me telling a hungry lion to be nice to a lamb.

So the first official win goes to the Royal Family? Cool

I'd feel more about this......but I'm representing a currently inactive team.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So the first official win goes to the Royal Family? Cool

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'd feel more about this......but I'm representing a currently inactive team.
Why don't you just jumpstart the JLA again?

I don't understand why everyones so afraid to challenge team Magik?

Originally posted by batdude123


http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8623/magripsapartapocalypse4li.jpg



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocvsmags-1.png

I am a little disappointed. Trick started off OK and it look liked it might be an ok match, but he sorta died off.


Mungi counter every post and explain how and why he would win. He used defensive stands and offensive ones explain why apoc really stood no chance.

Mungi was the clear winner for me.


I vote mungi

Originally posted by Larceny
I don't understand why everyones so afraid to challenge team Magik?

Magical characters can be vary chaotic by nature. With loads of indirect abilities, to count on.