Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

I know the discussion occured earlier, and wanted to have a thread about it as well.. From what I heard, it might be a quite even fight..

However, before I start discussing for either part, I'd like a link or something to where I can find more about Ganon..

Ganondorf's respect thread.

I say Illidan

Alright.. I looked the whole respect trough, all videos and all that was written about him.. and I say this in short..


Illidan will have Ganon cry for mercy

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Alright.. I looked the whole respect trough.. and I say this in short..


Illidan will have Ganon cry for mercy

Co-signed

To answer the "why" question before it's asked..

Illidan is stronger, faster, larger, has larger amount of magical power ((From what I've seen of Ganon)), he can fly, use ranged abilities, drain the very life and energy out of Ganon...

I could bring more up, but I think that's enough to have Ganon kneel, or lie down bleeding..

Dunno about stronger to be honest

The chains Ganon busted out of were pretty darn thick

Originally posted by Remindme
Dunno about stronger to be honest

The chains Ganon busted out of were pretty darn thick

What kind of chains were they?

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Looks like metal.. I hardly believe metal chains will hold Illidan back.. And Ganon seemed to put quite the effort into ripping loose..

Those were mystical chains made by the Sages of the LoZverse. He also in his bare hands crushed the Fused Shadows, which are immensley powerful artifacts, he did it with one hand. My respect thread for him admittedly sucks, don't base your opinion on that.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Those were mystical chains made by the Sages of the LoZverse. He also in his bare hands crushed the Fused Shadows, which are immensley powerful artifacts, he did it with one hand. My respect thread for him admittedly sucks, don't base your opinion on that.

Unfortunatly it's all I have to go by.. and from what's seen of Ganon in that thread, he doesn't stand much chance against Illidan prime.. I looked him up at Wikipedia as well.. He is truly a powerful character, but I do think he goes down against Illidan.. Prime Illidan that goes all out is just overwhelming for Ganon, despite his godly powers..

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Unfortunatly it's all I have to go by.. and from what's seen of Ganon in that thread, he doesn't stand much chance against Illidan prime.. I looked him up at Wikipedia as well.. He is truly a powerful character, but I do think he goes down against Illidan.. Prime Illidan that goes all out is just overwhelming for Ganon, despite his godly powers.. Ganon is invulnerable to all harm.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Ganon is invulnerable to all harm.

Yet he screams of agony when hit by the sword.. He grunts anytime Link hits him with the sword, and Link forces him to the ground and stabs the sword trough his chest..

He isn't invulnerable to all harm..


He is defeated over and over again, by a boy that doesn't possess even a portion of Illidan's powers

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Yet he screams of agony when hit by the sword.. He grunts anytime Link hits him with the sword, and Link forces him to the ground and stabs the sword trough his chest..

He isn't invulnerable to all harm..


He is defeated over and over again, by a boy that doesn't possess even a portion of Illidan's powers Yes he is. Link wields the Master Sword and often the Light Arrows, the only weapons that can harm him. Link is stronger than you think, and also, Link has NEVER beaten Ganondorf in a game that didn't have PIS bullshit helping him.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yes he is. Link wields the Master Sword and often the Light Arrows, the only weapons that can harm him. Link is stronger than you think, and also, Link has NEVER beaten Ganondorf in a game that didn't have PIS bullshit helping him.

He defeats Ganon in every game

am i that boy? or are we talking about link here?

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Unfortunatly it's all I have to go by.. and from what's seen of Ganon in that thread, he doesn't stand much chance against Illidan prime.. I looked him up at Wikipedia as well.. He is truly a powerful character, but I do think he goes down against Illidan.. Prime Illidan that goes all out is just overwhelming for Ganon, despite his godly powers.. Its a shame that Illidan cannot wield the only weapons capable of harming Ganon.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Yet he screams of agony when hit by the sword.. He grunts anytime Link hits him with the sword, and Link forces him to the ground and stabs the sword trough his chest.. The master sword, the only one capable of harming ganon. Link has the one plot device cpaable of doing that.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
He isn't invulnerable to all harm..


He is defeated over and over again, by a boy that doesn't possess even a portion of Illidan's powers That boy happens to get hold of the one weapon capable of harming ganon.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
He defeats Ganon in every game Because in every game with ganon in it Link gets the master sword.

Illidan will best him again and again, smashing him down onto the floors, throwing him about and laughing that Ganon will cry out in anger like a women giving birth..and Concede the battle then

Originally posted by Burning thought
Illidan will best him again and again, smashing him down onto the floors, throwing him about and laughing that Ganon will cry out in anger like a women giving birth..and Concede the battle then I dunno, Ganon's kinda stubborn...

hes going to get bothered eventually, Illidan has infnite patience, 10,000 years locked in darkness kinda gives that to him, not to menstion his thousands of years of life anyway, Ganon would eventually falter and in his anger concede, he would know his better when illidans finally done with him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
hes going to get bothered eventually, Illidan has infnite patience, 10,000 years locked in darkness kinda gives that to him, not to menstion his thousands of years of life anyway, Ganon would eventually falter and in his anger concede, he would know his better when illidans finally done with him. Except that Illidan is a raid boss in the Black Temple and is eventually brought down...

"You have won, Maiev. But the huntress is nothing without the hunt. You are nothing without me..."

And the linkin sword of mastery is not actually the Master Sword.

So, basically..

Ganon > Pyron, KOS-MOS, Jedah, Sargeras and all others.. Since they dont got Link's sword..

WoW stories are uncanon, Illidan "is" brought down possibly in Canon, but a bunch of 25 heroes doing it isnt. I dont think when Blizz write the story up in canon, their gonna say the Horde Guild "irideyourmum" destroyed Illidain in black temple

Illidan throws Ganon underground and buries him for eternity.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
So, basically..

Ganon > Pyron, KOS-MOS, Jedah, Sargeras and all others.. Since they dont got Link's sword.. Oh, wow way to strawman... Got nothing to argue with so lets eagerate to take something out to the extremes.


That's rather desperate of you.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
So, basically..

Ganon > Pyron, KOS-MOS, Jedah, Sargeras and all others.. Since they dont got Link's sword..

nah i think those are the ones who would Duche him hard, beat him unconcious or simply overpower him and hold him down for eternity, submission victory, just like Illidan will

Originally posted by Burning thought
WoW stories are uncanon, Sure they are.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Illidan "is" brought down possibly in Canon, but a bunch of 25 heroes doing it isnt. I dont think when Blizz write the story up in canon, their gonna say the Horde Guild "irideyourmum" destroyed Illidain in black temple And yet, he's still brought down.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Illidan throws Ganon underground and buries him for eternity. funny how he doesn't do that after Akama frees Maiev Shadowsong.

"You have won, Maiev. But the huntress is nothing without the hunt. You are nothing without me..."

Originally posted by Burning thought
nah i think those are the ones who would Duche him hard, beat him unconcious or simply overpower him and hold him down for eternity, submission victory, just like Illidan will "You have won, Maiev. But the huntress is nothing without the hunt. You are nothing without me..."

Illidan is not invincible. He's quite vinced.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Illidan is not invincible.

Neither is Ganon..

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh, wow way to strawman... Got nothing to argue with so lets eagerate to take something out to the extremes.


That's rather desperate of you.

It's not desperate, but that's what your saying.. All those that I brought up got weaknesses within reach of other characters.. But the only character able to defeat Ganon is Link.. So, basically... Ganon > All but Link

Originally posted by Creshosk
"You have won, Maiev. But the huntress is nothing without the hunt. You are nothing without me..."

Illidan is not invincible. He's quite vinced.

yeh, ive seen that ending to illidan so many times, PIS considering weve seen his speed, or is Ganons PIS void now as well, V2D says he is PIS, Illidan definatley is, both at the end of TFT and in WoW, and yes ime correct, who the hell belives the WoW is canon, lame...

all Illidan would have to do in this fight is beat Ganon into submission, outclass him with until ganon falls with tiredness

25 WoW heroes easily>>>>>Link

hell 1 WoW hero>>>>link

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
It's not desperate, but that's what your saying.. All those that I brought up got weaknesses within reach of other characters.. But the only character able to defeat Ganon is Link.. So, basically... Ganon > All but Link

except kain

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh, ive seen that ending to illidan so many times, PIS considering weve seen his speed, or is Ganons PIS void now as well, V2D says he is PIS, Illidan definatley is, both at the end of TFT and in WoW, and yes ime correct, who the hell belives the WoW is canon, lame...

all Illidan would have to do in this fight is beat Ganon into submission, outclass him with until ganon falls with tiredness

25 WoW heroes easily>>>>>Link

hell 1 WoW hero>>>>link

Link > 1 Holy Priest

Originally posted by Burning thought
except kain

Nah.. According to them, Link is the sole character capable of it..

What is it with all the Illidan discussions?

Is he the new star of 'Game Versus Forum'? oh


Illidan defeat Ganon just as effortless as a cat defeats a mouse in a one versus one fight

Only being hurt by the master sword and light arrows itself is PIS IMO.

Illy twaats Ganon

Originally posted by Remindme
Only being hurt by the master sword and light arrows itself is PIS IMO.

Illy twaats Ganon Pis or not its part of his character, just like kain only being hurt by soul based attacks.

It's really great how the people of the games VS section don't even understand what PIS is. No wonder this place is over run with fanboyism.

Plot induced stupidity is stupidity for the sake of the plot. Now this is not a personal preference of what you think is stupid. But what actually is stupid. This usually comes about after a character's carrer has been established.

Take secret wars for example when Spiderman webbed nightcrawler up and he was unable to escape. Rather than teleporting out of the trap like he always did in the past it was necceisery to make spiderman look like he was about to escape the x-men. So they put in minimal effort and were easily defeated in ways that they shouldn't have been.

Ganondorf only haveing a single weakness is part of his character, much like Superman and his kryptonite. You don't have to like how strong a given character is. But that does not change the facts about the character.

Plot induced stupidity ios also not things that remain constant to the storyline. Like a character's death might seem stupid, but it is not dismissable if they are killed and stay dead.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Pis or not its part of his character, just like kain only being hurt by soul based attacks.

It's really great how the people of the games VS section don't even understand what PIS is. No wonder this place is over run with fanboyism.

Plot induced stupidity is stupidity for the sake of the plot. Now this is not a personal preference of what you think is stupid. But what actually is stupid. This usually comes about after a character's carrer has been established.

Take secret wars for example when Spiderman webbed nightcrawler up and he was unable to escape. Rather than teleporting out of the trap like he always did in the past it was necceisery to make spiderman look like he was about to escape the x-men. So they put in minimal effort and were easily defeated in ways that they shouldn't have been.

Ganondorf only haveing a single weakness is part of his character, much like Superman and his kryptonite. You don't have to like how strong a given character is. But that does not change the facts about the character.

Plot induced stupidity ios also not things that remain constant to the storyline. Like a character's death might seem stupid, but it is not dismissable if they are killed and stay dead.

rofl lmao, wtf? this place overun with fanboyism? and you come from the Comic book vs, i dont even need to go into detail on this point rofl....jeez, maybe if your head wasnt missing up your @ss as well you wouldnt say such rubbish and would realise this.

also being undamagable by the mastersword isnt neccerily how strong he is, not in illidans eyes, illy will still duche the guy up so bad that hell wish he would concede, hell maybe hell get knocked out..or buried like i said before. Submissoned ftw

Ganon wins because well I like Ganon

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Those were mystical chains made by the Sages of the LoZverse. He also in his bare hands crushed the Fused Shadows, which are immensley powerful artifacts, he did it with one hand. My respect thread for him admittedly sucks, don't base your opinion on that.

We do not know how durable the Fused Shadows are. So saying Ganondorf crushed broke it with his hands doesn't really mean much. A lot of powerful artifacts are easily destroyed.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yes he is. Link wields the Master Sword and often the Light Arrows, the only weapons that can harm him. Link is stronger than you think, and also, Link has NEVER beaten Ganondorf in a game that didn't have PIS bullshit helping him.

That's pure fanboyism right there. Link never beaten Ganondorf blah blah blah. Link even beats Ganon when he has the full Triforce.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Ganon is invulnerable to all harm.

Expect he is injured by his own attacks.

Oh i feel story for hte white mask guy who Ganondorf kills in that video.. Well Ganon cannot be killed without Light arrows + the master sword right? Then again Illidan is stronger than any of Archimondes minons with the skull of guldan which puts him in a much higher catagory of demonicness...thing... Id say illidian, even if he has to wander the earth to find light arrows and link to take hte master sword from him

Has no one thought about the fact that Ganon maybe is immune to all attacks except for the sword of Link, in the Zelda game. Illidan maybe use an attack that does not exist in the Zelda world and if he does, there is no telling that Ganon is immune to that


Or am I entirely wrong?

you could be right, but its a little bit hard to debate such things because theres no way of knowing what attack A of world B, will do against character C in world D basically. I mean for example for all we know illidans blasts could one hit him, link, break objects that are suppoedly indestructable in another world.

But i think Ganon will get his ass beats even if he doesnt die.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
We do not know how durable the Fused Shadows are. So saying Ganondorf crushed broke it with his hands doesn't really mean much. A lot of powerful artifacts are easily destroyed.



That's pure fanboyism right there. Link never beaten Ganondorf blah blah blah. Link even beats Ganon when he has the full Triforce.



Expect he is injured by his own attacks. 1. True, but point still stands. Neither one of us can prove it either way, only I have some evidence in the fact that it is a powerful artifact. Is the Master Sword also brittle?

2. ROFL notice where I said GanonDORF. Ganondorf in the 3D games clearly shows more power than the others.

OoT: Link fights Ganondorf, who is toying with him. Because of this, Link is able to defeat Ganon. Ganon then brings his whole castle down on top of himself. Ganon still lives, and knocks the MS out of Link's reach. They then have a short battle, Link using Megaton Hammer or Biggoron's Sword. You may try to say,"That proves he is not invulnerable" but this is clearly the most bullshit PIS gayness in the series. For one, if other weapons could hurt Ganon, what is even the point of getting the MS, especially since Biggoron's Sword is more powerful? Secondly, this feat contradicts with the other games, like WW, when Ganon was stated to only be harmed by the MS and Light Arrows. Anyway, back to the fight, Ganon is weakened, and Link retrieves the MS, fights him and weakens him some more. Zelda uses her power to hold down Ganon while weakened, and supercharges his MS, to strike at Ganon, making him vulnerable to the Sages, who then seal him. Could Link have done all this by himself? No, hell, he wouldn't of even gotten out of the falling castle without Zelda!

WW: This one is pretty simple. noy only is Ganon doubleteamed by Link and Zelda(who uses Light Arrows), but he doesn't even have his Triforce of Power anymore. A notable thing is that even without it, Ganon could still take multiple hits from Light Arrows, compared to the one hit kill it usually is.

TP: First, Ganon possesses Zelda and fights Link. Then he leaves her body and fights Link and Midna(who had the Fused Shadows) as a beast. After being momentarily subdued, Midna uses the full power of the Fused Shadows to try and defeat Ganon on her own, and she teles Link and Zelda outside. Ganon walks out triumphant, and crushes her Fused Shadows. He then fights Link and Zelda on horseback, summoning wraiths, with Zelda using Light Arrows. He then has a one on one battle with Link swordsman style, and eventually has the MS stabbed in his chest. He then seemed to die, but that is not so. We see a vision of Zant(who is Ganon's connection to the physical realm) snao his neck, and Ganon's eyes go blank, and he simply lost his physical connection to the world. Also, one aspect of this fight I would like to mention, is the gameplay scene of Ganon being overpowered by Link in a swordlock. First of all, TP Link is physically strong to the point of lifting 10+ ton Gorons up and throwing them with ease out of arenas, secondly, Ganon is likely weakened by this point, thirdly, this may just be bullshit gameplay. Oh, and did I mention all of this happened with Ganon having a big ass glowing hole in his chest?

3. A. Gameplay

B. The MS is a weapon that can be used to deflect evil blasts back at Link's opponent, and I think it also puts some of its own essence in the reflected blast.

Ganon was a pig like thing

GanonDorf is more human like and more powerful but as you said only his own attacks, Link's sword and light arrows hurt him but his arrogance is his main undoing, You both make real good points, he seems to be immune to death, perhaps one day we will have the answer also i remember stabbing him in the chest with the sword in wind waker so fun. but still go Ganon

Does not Demon Illidan have Chaos damage? hmm

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Has no one thought about the fact that Ganon maybe is immune to all attacks except for the sword of Link, in the Zelda game. Illidan maybe use an attack that does not exist in the Zelda world and if he does, there is no telling that Ganon is immune to that


Or am I entirely wrong? Okay. Sargeras is only invulnerable in Warcraftverse now. Pyron now beats him.

Also, what will Chaos Damage do?

P.S. Sorry if I sound hostile DK, this is just the way I debate.

I never debated for or against Sargeras, so that is no problem with me


Chaos Damage penetrate all resistances and protections. Even divine armor, which is representive for invournable in-game Warcraft

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
I never debated for or against Sargeras, so that is no problem with me


Chaos Damage penetrate all resistances and protections. Even divine armor, which is representive for invournable in-game Warcraft Really? Hmmmm...Not sure how that would work, Ganon's invulnerability isn't so much an armor or enchantment as it is, well, it just is.

For example, Archimonde had divine armor and he is considered unharmable by any physical and most magical attacks. A physical strike by a unit with chaos damage does just as much damage as if Archimonde would have been unarmored


Unarmored and divine armor in this sense does not exactly mean that they got an armor, just that they can withstand damage in different ways

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
For example, Archimonde had divine armor and he is considered unharmable by any physical and most magical attacks. A physical strike by a unit with chaos damage does just as much damage as if Archimonde would have been unarmored


Unarmored and divine armor in this sense does not exactly mean that they got an armor, just that they can withstand damage in different ways Hmmm...I'm not sure. I guess it could hurt him, tho Ganon's invulnerability comes directly from a world creating god's power.

I think it could

Do you remember our talk about Amazo? The android

In one later episode, they discovered that there one single thing that could harm him; Chaos focused in an attack oh

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
I think it could

Do you remember our talk about Amazo? The android

In one later episode, they discovered that there one single thing that could harm him; Chaos focused in an attack oh You are comparing different universes. Don't do it, or Illidan gets purified by crosses and Holy Water.

I was just mentioning it, speaking of nothing

I did not even intend in any way to match the two different chaos attacks. It just came to mind

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
I was just mentioning it, speaking of nothing

I did not even intend in any way to match the two different chaos attacks. It just came to mind Meh, it may work.

Originally posted by Burning thought
rofl lmao, wtf? this place overun with fanboyism? and you come from the Comic book vs, i dont even need to go into detail on this point rofl....jeez, maybe if your head wasnt missing up your @ss as well you wouldnt say such rubbish and would realise this.

also being undamagable by the mastersword isnt neccerily how strong he is, not in illidans eyes, illy will still duche the guy up so bad that hell wish he would concede, hell maybe hell get knocked out..or buried like i said before. Submissoned ftw I absolutly love how you get basically owned by the next post after this one and your own basically proving my point...




I love how after I point out the rampant fanboyism. you try and utterly fail to defend against this observation because your defense is instantly undone by the next poster saying he thinks that someone wins purely because he likes the character.


Originally posted by Darkhalen
Ganon wins because well I like Ganon

Basically Ganon's "invulnerability" comes from his "gods". and the means of harming him is a weaopon specifically designed to povercome that god's power.

Illidan stomps Ganon

Originally posted by Darkhalen
Illidan wins because well I like Illidan

Originally posted by Creshosk
I absolutly love how you get basically owned by the next post after this one and your own basically proving my point...




I love how after I point out the rampant fanboyism. you try and utterly fail to defend against this observation because your defense is instantly undone by the next poster saying he thinks that someone wins purely because he likes the character.

sorry, all i hear is a loud muffling noise where your mouth should be sorta like

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Originally posted by Burning thought
sorry, all i hear is a loud muffling noise where your mouth should be sorta like

352paiBIZQ4 Well if you pulled your head out of your ass my words wouldn't be muffled by it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well if you pulled your head out of your ass my words wouldn't be muffled by it.

sorta like what i said to you, only...mine was more original before you copied it...good job now what was it said to me, i may as well steal one

"crawl back to your own forum" where you may run riot as much as you like before a mod snaps you up ofcourse.

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Illidan stomps Ganon Prove it.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Prove it.

Illidan = ~ 20"

Ganon = 6/7"

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Prove it. pissed

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Illidan = ~ 20"

Ganon = 6/7"

True

He CAN stomp him..

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
True

He CAN stomp him.. PROVE. IT.I hate it when people just say "So and so stomps him" without saying why.

Originally posted by Burning thought
sorta like what i said to you, only...mine was more original before you copied it...good job there's nothing original about telling someone they have their head up their ass.

Originally posted by Burning thought
now what was it said to me, i may as well steal one

"crawl back to your own forum" where you may run riot as much as you like before a mod snaps you up ofcourse. KMC is the forum I hang out on, and look at that this is KMC.

Illidan goes down, he doesn't have the protection that Ganon has. and none of your wanking the betrayer will help.

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Illidan = ~ 20"

Ganon = 6/7" inches? what the hell are you talking about?

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Illidan = ~ 20"

Ganon = 6/7" I think you mean 20'. Also, Ganondorf is about 9', Ganon is like 25-30'.

Originally posted by Creshosk
inches? what the hell are you talking about?

the hobbit versions?

Is it just me or have the people around here sent their brains on vacation?

I am swedish and we never use inches to meassure things. Not even e-peens

I made a misstake with " because I never use it........ big deal ermm

I meant that Illidan is larger than ganon! Gees, you lot do not have to be so serious when I try make a joke

Illidan certainly isnt going down, he can move at incredible speeds and has so many powers he could drain Ganons magic from him so he cant cast spells, goodluck Ganon VS a incredibly fast flying, magic madmen launching all kinds of powers, even if ganon "is" invincible, hed get knocked about so much, or as i said, buried, beneath the rubble after illidan has finished.

can i see a speed feet from Ganon please

Ganon get physicaly defeated at multiple points


I guess he can not die, but no one can deny that he has been defeated

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Is it just me or have the people around here sent their brains on vacation?

I am swedish and we never use inches to meassure things. Not even e-peens

I made a misstake with " because I never use it........ big deal ermm

I meant that Illidan is larger than ganon! Gees, you lot do not have to be so serious when I try make a joke Ganon in beast form is MUCH larger than Illidan.

How big is beast form Ganon?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Illidan certainly isnt going down, he can move at incredible speeds and has so many powers he could drain Ganons magic from him so he cant cast spells, goodluck Ganon VS a incredibly fast flying, magic madmen launching all kinds of powers, even if ganon "is" invincible, hed get knocked about so much, or as i said, buried, beneath the rubble after illidan has finished.

can i see a speed feet from Ganon please You don't get it. Ganon LITERALLY cannot be even harmed AT ALL unless you have light arrows or the full power of the Master Sword. Drain Ganon's magic so he can't use it? Ganon has an unlimited supply buddy. Ganon has displayed magical powers that dwarfs Illidan's, is a better swordsman(Yeah I said it) and GanonDORF has NEVER been simply defeated by Link. I'll get the two vids of Ganon's speed.

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
How big is beast form Ganon? OoT: Bout 30 or more feet tall, 15 feet wide.

TP: He is on all fours, but he is still about 30 feet long, and his back is about 15 feet in height. 10 feet wide about.

Then you clearly do not know much about Illidan

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Then you clearly do not know much about Illidan You clearly know little of Ganon.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
You don't get it. Ganon LITERALLY cannot be even harmed AT ALL unless you have light arrows or the full power of the Master Sword. Drain Ganon's magic so he can't use it? Ganon has an unlimited supply buddy. Ganon has displayed magical powers that dwarfs Illidan's, is a better swordsman(Yeah I said it) and GanonDORF has NEVER been simply defeated by Link. I'll get the two vids of Ganon's speed.

he has an infnite supply where, id like to see this? and where does it say he cannot be harmed at all? i dont belive that, damaged but thrown about? lies, he could be bureid thats for sure.

i would like to see these speed feets, also Illidan has tonnes of magic all over him, if you prove he cant drain away ganons powers then id be interested to see these "superior" magics Ganon supposedly has

I know enough about Ganon to say that you are wrong when you said that he is "MUCH bigger than Illidan"

Originally posted by Burning thought
he has an infnite supply where, id like to see this? and where does it say he cannot be harmed at all? i dont belive that, damaged but thrown about? lies, he could be bureid thats for sure.

i would like to see these speed feets, also Illidan has tonnes of magic all over him, if you prove he cant drain away ganons powers then id be interested to see these "superior" magics Ganon supposedly has 1. Based on the fact the Triforce of Power is a limitless supply of power maybe? He can't be harmed at all based on feats and dialogue, mostly in WW, this is emphasized on. Why do you think getting the Master Sword is so important? Buried? Rofl, you mean like how he was half dead and buried himself under his castle and broke out to fight Link again? Or when Valoo breathed fire on him which then collapsed his whole castle on him and wasn't injured? ROFL!!!

2. Oh, believe me, I know Illidan is faster than Ganon. Illidan cannot drain all of Ganon's power, which is literally that of a world making god. Ganon has superior magic based on "feats", like creationism, reviving the dead, all that jazz. I will get vids from Youtube.

To DK: Okay, I admit saying he was "much bigger" was an exaggerration.

Demon Illidan is like..... at least seven times as tall as an elf

Alright. This vid shows how Ganondorf is being executed by the Sages, as they use a powerful sword made by them to stab him in the heart. Ganon however, is not dead, the Triforce of Power kept him alive. Also, the reason this sword could hurt him, is cause it was very much like the Master Sword, a powerful sword made by the sages. He then breaks the mystical chains made by the Sages(even with a sword in his chest), and in a burst of speed kills a Sage WITH A PUNCH!

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Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Based on the fact the Triforce of Power is a limitless supply of power maybe? He can't be harmed at all based on feats and dialogue, mostly in WW, this is emphasized on. Why do you think getting the Master Sword is so important? Buried? Rofl, you mean like how he was half dead and buried himself under his castle and broke out to fight Link again? Or when Valoo breathed fire on him which then collapsed his whole castle on him and wasn't injured? ROFL!!!

2. Oh, believe me, I know Illidan is faster than Ganon. Illidan cannot drain all of Ganon's power, which is literally that of a world making god. Ganon has superior magic based on "feats", like creationism, reviving the dead, all that jazz. I will get vids from Youtube.

To DK: Okay, I admit saying he was "much bigger" was an exaggerration.

1. the triforce being an unlimited source of power doesnt neccerily mean (unless said in canon ofc) that he can continually use all magic spells and abilities without any fault. Getting the mastersword being important may mean its the only thing that can kill Ganon or cause greater damage than all other weapons, but then Link is not Illidan who has such a wide range of powers at his disposal. Buried under his castle? so what, considering Illidans speed outclasses Ganon combiend with his incredible range of spells he could most likely create a chasm so deep or of such heat that he would be buried alive, Ganon cannot break free from everything, especially easily, considering he found a hard job breaking those chains in the Vid for example. Tonnes and tonnes of rock may well be far greater. Unlimited power doesnt mean unlimtied strength

2. hmm i would like to see these feets, Illidan has incredible magic power, he drank from the well of eternity itself (mega source of magic), powered by Sargerus, Kil'jaeden (i think) AND swallowed the powers of the skull of Guldan, which was incredibly powerful, in his demon form he can do so many powers, shadow, fire and can summon the spirits of his blades and shoot lasers from his eyes.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. the triforce being an unlimited source of power doesnt neccerily mean (unless said in canon ofc) that he can continually use all magic spells and abilities without any fault. Getting the mastersword being important may mean its the only thing that can kill Ganon or cause greater damage than all other weapons, but then Link is not Illidan who has such a wide range of powers at his disposal. Buried under his castle? so what, considering Illidans speed outclasses Ganon combiend with his incredible range of spells he could most likely create a chasm so deep or of such heat that he would be buried alive, Ganon cannot break free from everything, especially easily, considering he found a hard job breaking those chains in the Vid for example. Tonnes and tonnes of rock may well be far greater. Unlimited power doesnt mean unlimtied strength

2. hmm i would like to see these feets, Illidan has incredible magic power, he drank from the well of eternity itself (mega source of magic), powered by Sargerus, Kil'jaeden (i think) AND swallowed the powers of the skull of Guldan, which was incredibly powerful, in his demon form he can do so many powers, shadow, fire and can summon the spirits of his blades and shoot lasers from his eyes. 1. Yeah, it does. He has shown no limit to how much magic he can cast, he has an unlimited source of power, straight from a god.What more do you need? It has been consistently shown that Master Sword and Light Arrows are needed to harm Ganon, this has been stated and has been shown in scenes. Also, not even the Master Sword or Light Arrows can kill Ganon. Link is practically the Medieval Batman, only more superhuman, he has a wide range of attacks as well. Illidan's speed is greater, yes, Ganon half dead easily broke out of tons of stone and metal(his caslte) and was not injured when his fortress collapsed in WW. Also, those chains were made by the Sages, and were likely imbued with their own mystic power, not to mention he has a sword thru his friggin chest.

2. Those are not feats btw, feats are proof of power, that fact that he drank from the Well of Eternity is not. I will look for more vids on Ganon.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Yeah, it does. He has shown no limit to how much magic he can cast, he has an unlimited source of power, straight from a god.What more do you need? It has been consistently shown that Master Sword and Light Arrows are needed to harm Ganon, this has been stated and has been shown in scenes. Also, not even the Master Sword or Light Arrows can kill Ganon. Link is practically the Medieval Batman, only more superhuman, he has a wide range of attacks as well. Illidan's speed is greater, yes, Ganon half dead easily broke out of tons of stone and metal(his caslte) and was not injured when his fortress collapsed in WW. Also, those chains were made by the Sages, and were likely imbued with their own mystic power, not to mention he has a sword thru his friggin chest.

2. Those are not feats btw, feats are proof of power, that fact that he drank from the Well of Eternity is not. I will look for more vids on Ganon.

1. when you say shown no limit, thats a very loose term, it needs to have been said he has no limit to the magics he can cast, stating he has infnite energy is foolish otherwise, simply being from a God doesnt mean his power is infnite, in WoW the old Gods give powers to beings but their power and magic energy is not always infinite. Also where is it stated "only" these weapons can? it seems only light weapons can "kill" ganon, but harm him, buffet him, ive seen no proof of that yet.

2. i meant i would like to see Ganons powers, infnite magic usage for example, the power of said magic.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. when you say shown no limit, thats a very loose term, it needs to have been said he has no limit to the magics he can cast, stating he has infnite energy is foolish otherwise, simply being from a God doesnt mean his power is infnite, in WoW the old Gods give powers to beings but their power and magic energy is not always infinite. Also where is it stated "only" these weapons can? it seems only light weapons can "kill" ganon, but harm him, buffet him, ive seen no proof of that yet.

2. i meant i would like to see Ganons powers, infnite magic usage for example, the power of said magic. 1. No, I mean he will never run out of energy or power. His power is not infinate, that would make him omnipotent. The Triforce of Power is limitless energy from a god, which means he can continually use its power(which has meshed with his own) without using any of it up. No weapon can kill Ganondorf when he has the Triforce of Power, not even the Master Sword, as shown in TP when it was sticking from his chest. They can only harm him, I have a vid that shows and states this.

This vid shows Ganondorf and Link meeting for the second time. Link rushes Ganon with the MS, but his slash has no effect, and Ganon casually backhands him away, and draws his own sword. Ganon tells Link that the MS is not what it used to be, it lacks the power to harm him, as its true power must be awakened. He then is about to kill Link when Tetra comes thru the window, and trys to fight Ganon(with some funny looking kicks to his chest lol) and is ultimately grabbed by the throat and at his mercy, when Ganon senses her Triforce of Wisdom piece, and is going to take it, when Ganon is distracted by a noise outside, giving the Ritos enough time to fly in and swiftly rescue Link and Tetra, and then Valoo breathes fire at Ganon, which leads to his fortress collapsing.

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Originally posted by Burning thought
he could drain Ganons magic from him so he cant cast spells, Prove that Ganon's supply of magic is limited.

You can not say it like that, Creshosk ermm

It is not a justified counter in a versus discussion

Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove that Ganon's supply of magic is limited.

If Ganon magic is unlimited Illidan definatly wins, Mana Burn drains life from you as it zaps away your mana, so if Ganons is unlimited......he's screwed

Originally posted by Remindme
If Ganon magic is unlimited Illidan definatly wins, Mana Burn drains life from you as it zaps away your mana, so if Ganons is unlimited......he's screwed Too bad he is also invulnerable to any damage.

Mana Burn drains both life and magic energy woot


I want to marry Illidan droolio

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Too bad he is also invulnerable to any damage. wasn't that taken off in this VS?

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Mana Burn drains both life and magic energy woot


I want to marry Illidan droolio

lol, okies then I'll let you two get comfy

He is the perfect guy shockyes

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
He is the perfect guy shockyes

I dunno.....but those wings and horns.....they would just be so arkward in bed ^^'

come to think of it, how does he sleep ^^'

Originally posted by Remindme
wasn't that taken off in this VS? Nope.

Duh, those wings and horns are retractable!

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Nope.

Y-ok, silly thread starter -.-'

Yepperz.

Originally posted by Remindme
I dunno.....but those wings and horns.....they would just be so arkward in bed ^^'

come to think of it, how does he sleep ^^'

Sleeps on his belly!

The wings are perfect! A boyfriend that can fly shock

The horns, that was he can carry more when we are shopping! And they make it easier to climb him when I overjoyingly want to hug him

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Sleeps on his belly!

The wings are perfect! A boyfriend that can fly shock

The horns, that was he can carry more when we are shopping! And they make it easier to climb him when I overjoyingly want to hug him

Ganon would be better, taller, darker, more handsome, has a big nose(guess what that could be used for), more muscular and athletic looking, and you know what they say about guys with big feet. Guy has experience over Illidan as well, Illidan's only romance in his life is his hand while thinking of Tyrande, Ganon lived in a village full of babes, and was their king.

But what about the 'love tackle' head on?

Dear V2D! There are barely a hand-few game characters that would be a more suitable person for a relationship and Ganon is not even in the top 10

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
You can not say it like that, Creshosk ermm

It is not a justified counter in a versus discussion Sure I can. He makes a claim, I challenge him to prove it.

Originally posted by Remindme
If Ganon magic is unlimited Illidan definatly wins, Mana Burn drains life from you as it zaps away your mana, so if Ganons is unlimited......he's screwed Because mana burn is the light arrows or the Master sword right?




Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
He is the perfect guy shockyes "The betrayer" is the perfect guy?

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Dear V2D! There are barely a hand-few game characters that would be a more suitable person for a relationship and Ganon is not even in the top 10 Ganon is sexy! He's easily tied with Pyron for #1!

On a side note, my battlezone match with Phenomenol is in 5 minutes, watch as I pwn him, but do not post til I am done pwning him.

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Dear V2D! There are barely a hand-few game characters that would be a more suitable person for a relationship and Ganon is not even in the top 10 And I doubt that anyonwe refered to as "the betrayer" would be up there either.

I don't think either ganon or Illidan would be suitable relationship material. erm

Squall is probably the best looking male character

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z156/DiffidentAngel/Squall_by_yuvenz.jpg

Nope.

Alicia is.

Originally posted by Remindme
Squall is probably the best looking male character
Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Nope.

Alicia is.

ermm

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Nope.

Alicia is.

oh....well the things you don't know eh?

My bad!!!!!! She's a girl!

Probably Gideon Wyeth.

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
My bad!!!!!! She's a girl!

Probably Gideon Wyeth.

lol, sounds like a more accurate answer

Gideon's cool.

NOEZ! IT IS GANON!

Originally posted by Burning thought
rofl lmao, wtf? this place overun with fanboyism? and you come from the Comic book vs, i dont even need to go into detail on this point rofl....jeez, maybe if your head wasnt missing up your @ss as well you wouldnt say such rubbish and would realise this.

also being undamagable by the mastersword isnt neccerily how strong he is, not in illidans eyes, illy will still duche the guy up so bad that hell wish he would concede, hell maybe hell get knocked out..or buried like i said before. Submissoned ftw

way to censor yourself with "@ss" and rofl lmao wtf? lingo ftw. haermm


I think you win, because well, your logic is bullet proof sly

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Too bad he is also invulnerable to any damage.

ahh but where does it say that he cannot be harmed by ANY damage whatsoever, illidan will be using his own mana energies against him, as remindme says, Ganon even if he didnt die would be burst, hell hed be smashed to pieces since its from within him, although only Light arrows and mastersword can penetrate his outer body, what about his inner body?

@capt

yeh i gotta use such low uses and sensors when theres a insult to monkeys running about the place

also why would i win, against Creshock maybe, but ime still debating with V2D

Originally posted by Burning thought
ahh but where does it say that he cannot be harmed by ANY damage whatsoever, illidan will be using his own mana energies against him, as remindme says, Ganon even if he didnt die would be burst, hell hed be smashed to pieces since its from within him, although only Light arrows and mastersword can penetrate his outer body, what about his inner body?

@capt

yeh i gotta use such low uses and sensors when theres a insult to monkeys running about the place

also why would i win, against Creshock maybe, but ime still debating with V2D Watch the second vid I posted. It is his whole body.

Originally posted by Burning thought
ahh but where does it say that he cannot be harmed by ANY damage whatsoever, Windwaker. It specifically says that the Master swords is the only thing that can harm ganon.

Originally posted by Burning thought
illidan will be using his own mana energies against him, as remindme says, Ganon even if he didnt die would be burst, hell hed be smashed to pieces since its from within him, although only Light arrows and mastersword can penetrate his outer body, what about his inner body? It's not about piercing his outer body, it's about harming him.

You have yet to prove that any of the attacks you mention would work. doped

Originally posted by Burning thought
@capt

yeh i gotta use such low uses and sensors when theres a insult to monkeys running about the place

also why would i win, against Creshock maybe, but ime still debating with V2D Sure you would, which is why you've still failed to prove your case. sly There isn't anything mentioned that's specifically required to take down illidan. but it is stated that the Master sword is the only thing that can beat Ganon. At the point in the game just before you go and retrieve the mastersword. 313

I guess you haven't played the games... which is why you don't know this. hmm

All Illidan has to do is take demon form and get chaos damage! Shortly followed by a cake sandwich containing Ganon!

if Illidan takes Demon form then its certainly all over, his power is increased by leaps and bounds, he can summon dark shadows to aid him but hell he doesnt need them, he can cause large based destruction and his speed alone will mean Ganon wont hit him at all, hell just keep getting thrown about, even if ganon doesnt feel pain or is damaged by the attacks he will end up tired, angry, battered.

Originally posted by Burning thought
if Illidan takes Demon form then its certainly all over, his power is increased by leaps and bounds, he can summon dark shadows to aid him but hell he doesnt need them, he can cause large based destruction and his speed alone will mean Ganon wont hit him at all, hell just keep getting thrown about, even if ganon doesnt feel pain or is damaged by the attacks he will end up tired, angry, battered. Ganon has a demon form as well. He has several as a matter of fact. Hell, Ganon can summon monsters instantly, as shown when he summoned Puppet Ganon. If Ganondorf went demon from TP, he would be a large and powerful charging boar, and would trample Illidan.

Ganon could have a hundred demon forms, but none would be the same as the one and only that Illidan has that can grant him victory

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Ganon could have a hundred demon forms, but none would be the same as the one and only that Illidan has that can grant him victory Right, the same Illidan demon form that was murked in WoW. Ganon's form in TP could trample him, his classic one has magical powers and in Ages and Seasons had some reality warping ones, and his OoT one has 2 big ass swords that would keep Illy away.

Murked? ermm

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Murked? ermm Killed, pwned, owned, raped, murdered.

Owned, pwned, raped is kinda tough words

Besides, so was Archimonde! That does not mean he would loose to 25 mere warriors in lore ermm

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Owned, pwned, raped is kinda tough words

Besides, so was Archimonde! That does not mean he would loose to 25 mere warriors in lore ermm Arichmonde was weakened I believe, Illidan was not.

Archimonde was at the same state as he was at the world tree in the Warcraft 3 campaign

Are you sure? Guess he's a puss too.

Certainly

Pointing his finger to instantly destroy his target

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Certainly

Pointing his finger to instantly destroy his target Yep. What a sissy.

Both Archimonde and Illidan was killed by plot in WoW..

By players, but subtly it was PIS..

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Both Archimonde and Illidan was killed by plot in WoW..

By players, but subtly it was PIS.. Right, whenever anything canon happens in a game, comic or movie, its because of the plot.

When Jean grey died as the phoenix it was plot. Does it mean it didn't happen?

RRRR no. it means that it DID happen.


And you're miusing the term PIS again. PIS does not mean "I did not like it therefore it didn't happen."


You're very desperate now since you're using lame arguments like "It happened because of the plot". Like it or not it is Blizzard who decided what would happen. Just like they're the ones who decided what the characters can do.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right, whenever anything canon happens in a game, comic or movie, its because of the plot.

When Jean grey died as the phoenix it was plot. Does it mean it didn't happen?

RRRR no. it means that it DID happen.


And you're miusing the term PIS again. PIS does not mean "I did not like it therefore it didn't happen."


You're very desperate now since you're using lame arguments like "It happened because of the plot". Like it or not it is Blizzard who decided what would happen. Just like they're the ones who decided what the characters can do.

Desperate? I didn't even write that post in benefit of this discussion.. I just mentioned it because DK and V2D had it as discussion..

I'm flattered that you react though.. I didn't consider it before, but I'm probably a great debater that you take every chance to "pwn", because when I flaw, it's your only chance against me.. I think your the desperate one..


You dont have any idea how the fights versus Illidan and Archimonde works in WoW, do you? If you did, you'd probably agree with me that it's PIS.. Doesn't sound like you have any idea, though, considering how you reacted on what I said..

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Desperate? I didn't even write that post in benefit of this discussion.. I just mentioned it because DK and V2D had it as discussion..

I'm flattered that you react though.. I didn't consider it before, but I'm probably a great debater that you take every chance to "pwn", because when I flaw, it's your only chance against me.. I think your the desperate one..Pssh, show's how well you know me.

I usually get comments like

Originally posted by SymettricChaos
Don't make fun of the dumb kids Cresh


Originally posted by Darth Extecute
You dont have any idea how the fights versus Illidan and Archimonde works in WoW, do you? If you did, you'd probably agree with me that it's PIS.. Doesn't sound like you have any idea, though, considering how you reacted on what I said..



Oh noes! you responded to me in the way you respond to everyone else! You must be desperate.

Funny, I havea friend with three level 70s Who's helped guilds take down bosses they used to have problems with... and I STILL think that Those two going down the way they did is the way that Blizzard intended for them to go down. Why? Because Blizzard wrote and scripted and animated them to go down in the ways they went down.


But now you're grasping at straws desperatly hoping to find the one that will save your sinking argument. sly So totally desperate.

And yes I have this same flippant disrespectful attitude for other people mr "He's responding to me so I'm some hot RRRR"


Well except for the good debaters... them I actaully am respectful to and debate with on even terms.

It's true look at my history here. 313


Maybe if I had a fanboy boner I'd think it was PIS...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Pssh, show's how well you know me.

I usually get comments like








Oh noes! you responded to me in the way you respond to everyone else! You must be desperate.

Funny, I havea friend with three level 70s Who's helped guilds take down bosses they used to have problems with... and I STILL think that Those two going down the way they did is the way that Blizzard intended for them to go down. Why? Because Blizzard wrote and scripted and animated them to go down in the ways they went down.


But now you're grasping at straws desperatly hoping to find the one that will save your sinking argument. sly So totally desperate.

And yes I have this same flippant disrespectful attitude for other people mr "He's responding to me so I'm some hot RRRR"


Well except for the good debaters... them I actaully am respectful to and debate with on even terms.

It's true look at my history here. 313


Maybe if I had a fanboy boner I'd think it was PIS...


You got a friend with three level 70's? oh

I got friends with over 10-20 70's, but I fail to see how that helps any in this discussion..


The fight against Archimonde:

The players travel trough time to encounter the great Archimonde, in order to save the flow of time.. He was intended to go down in that fight and if he didn't it'd be the end of Azeroth.. So, the group of adventurers fight Archimonde.. After a while in the fight, the raid get buffed with a buff that represent the vast nature damage that slay Archimonde in Wc3.. This was in order to keep the plot solid, that Archimonde in fact was near unstoppable and that it was vast nature magic that slayed him..

Do you seriously think that 25 average characters can destroy the magician that can slay two full-grown dragons in a mere second by simply clenching his fist.. The man who can crumble cities effortless.. Who can turn buildings and people inside out by pointing a finger...
You seriously think 25 average soldiers, that have somewhat problems with mere demons before Archimonde would be able to slay him?

I tell you this....... NO! Archimonde is, like most other characters- weakend in WoW gameplay.. Archimonde is weakened.. Illidan is Weakened.. Nefarian is weakened.. Heck, even Thrall is weakened.. None of the characters in WoW is at their prime..

You act like WoW is the way of discussion when it comes to these people.. Do you play Wc3? In Wc3, Archimonde in the campaign could, along with a number undeads swipe trough a strong orcish, elven and human base effortless in less than an hour.. The only thing that held him back from destroying them entirely, was the plot.. He was waiting.. If he wanted to, which he would lore-wise, he'd crumble those bases before they got any chance to fight back..

((In the defense of these three bases was: Thrall, Jaina, Tyrande, Malfurion))


And YOU think that 25 members would be capable of defeating those four, along with three bases and armies?

> L O L <


And that was only Archimonde.. Wanna know why I consider Illidan PIS?

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
You got a friend with three level 70's? oh

I got friends with over 10-20 70's, but I fail to see how that helps any in this discussion..On seperate servers? Or did you just confirm you're a liar? 313


Originally posted by Darth Extecute
The fight against Archimonde:

The players travel trough time to encounter the great Archimonde, in order to save the flow of time.. He was intended to go down in that fight and if he didn't it'd be the end of Azeroth.. So, the group of adventurers fight Archimonde.. After a while in the fight, the raid get buffed with a buff that represent the vast nature damage that slay Archimonde in Wc3.. This was in order to keep the plot solid, that Archimonde in fact was near unstoppable and that it was vast nature magic that slayed him..

Do you seriously think that 25 average characters can destroy the magician that can slay two full-grown dragons in a mere second by simply clenching his fist.. The man who can crumble cities effortless.. Who can turn buildings and people inside out by pointing a finger...
You seriously think 25 average soldiers, that have somewhat problems with mere demons before Archimonde would be able to slay him?

I tell you this....... NO! Archimonde is, like most other characters- weakend in WoW gameplay.. Archimonde is weakened.. Illidan is Weakened.. Nefarian is weakened.. Heck, even Thrall is weakened.. None of the characters in WoW is at their prime..

You act like WoW is the way of discussion when it comes to these people.. Do you play Wc3? In Wc3, Archimonde in the campaign could, along with a number undeads swipe trough a strong orcish, elven and human base effortless in less than an hour.. The only thing that held him back from destroying them entirely, was the plot.. He was waiting.. If he wanted to, which he would lore-wise, he'd crumble those bases before they got any chance to fight back..

((In the defense of these three bases was: Thrall, Jaina, Tyrande, Malfurion))


And YOU think that 25 members would be capable of defeating those four, along with three bases and armies?

> L O L < What was it you told me in the three brothers thread? That I was underestimating the player characters or something to that effect?

Anyway, that's really a pathetic attempt to validateyour claims of it being PIS. Armys are usually canon fodder, they aren't the best of the best. look how frequently in games you play a character that can wade through armies. Hell look at comic books too while you're at it. Wolverine took on a ridiculous number of ninja. Jubilee made fools of the Hand.

And nothing you said justifies it being pis because after all:

"Both Archimonde and Illidan was killed by plot in WoW.. "

It still happened. Blizzard didn't have to make the event happen the way they did. Hell, if they had more recent events contradict what happened in previous games that's what's known as a retcon.

Don't like it? Tough beans. You're liking or not liking something doesn't effect the events of what happens.
Originally posted by Darth Extecute
And that was only Archimonde.. Wanna know why I consider Illidan PIS? I already know why you do, and you don't and that's the problem. But that doesn't change Blizzards decision to have had what happened, happen the way it did.


I alos find it deliciously ironic that you speak out against wow so much yet posted WOW pictures and videos in his respect thread. So appearently when WOW is inconvient to you because it doesn't support your fantasies over reality you like to try and dismiss it. It don't work like that buddy boy, you can't cherry pick in that fashion.

Face facts, It happened. You not liking it doesn't change that it did happen. Blizzard decided to have the character die in the fashions that they did. They didn't HAVE to put EITHER of them in WOW. No owner ever HAS TO write their character in a given fashion. They chose to have Archimonde and Illidan die in the manners they did. Archimonde would be out of Ganon's means, but not Illidan.

I have no love for either villian and what they did to the elves of their respective worlds. I'm also a bit miffed at the aliance for their treatment of the bloodelves... But what can you do?

Originally posted by Creshosk
On seperate servers? Or did you just confirm you're a liar? 313

Cant confirm.. If they are liars, then I guess so am I.. And seperate servers, of course.. If you didn't know, it's a 10 maximum per realm..


Originally posted by Creshosk
What was it you told me in the three brothers thread? That I was underestimating the player characters or something to that effect?

Anyway, that's really a pathetic attempt to validateyour claims of it being PIS. Armys are usually canon fodder, they aren't the best of the best. look how frequently in games you play a character that can wade through armies. Hell look at comic books too while you're at it. Wolverine took on a ridiculous number of ninja. Jubilee made fools of the Hand.

And nothing you said justifies it being pis because after all:

"Both Archimonde and Illidan was killed by plot in WoW.. "

It still happened. Blizzard didn't have to make the event happen the way they did. Hell, if they had more recent events contradict what happened in previous games that's what's known as a retcon.

Don't like it? Tough beans. You're liking or not liking something doesn't effect the events of what happens.

It still happened.. I guess you missed the point where I said that the WoW characters are weakened.. I can tell it again, and a bit more specific..

Archimonde, Illidan and more are GREATLY weakened in WoW AND Warcraft 3.. Sure, the 25 heroes killed Archimonde in CoT.. but Archimonde didn't use even a portion of his powers.. He didn't even pay them much attention trough the fight..


If you fail in the fight and he get too close to the well.. I know I shouldn't have to tell you this, since you already know it, since you got your level 70 mate and seem to know all about Archimonde and the others anyway.. but I'm saying it to those that doesn't know..

If he get too close to the well, he instantly destroys the 25 heroes.. he raises his hand and uses an ability that players call "hand of death" *poof* and all 25 members are dead in one single spell.. that's an areal effect of his instant kill ability known as "finger of death"

Originally posted by Creshosk
What was it you told me in the three brothers thread? That I was underestimating the player characters or something to that effect?

Anyway, that's really a pathetic attempt to validateyour claims of it being PIS. Armys are usually canon fodder, they aren't the best of the best. look how frequently in games you play a character that can wade through armies. Hell look at comic books too while you're at it. Wolverine took on a ridiculous number of ninja. Jubilee made fools of the Hand.

And nothing you said justifies it being pis because after all:

"Both Archimonde and Illidan was killed by plot in WoW.. "

It still happened. Blizzard didn't have to make the event happen the way they did. Hell, if they had more recent events contradict what happened in previous games that's what's known as a retcon.

Don't like it? Tough beans. You're liking or not liking something doesn't effect the events of what happens.


It did happen.. *then points at previous sentance*

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Cant confirm.. If they are liars, then I guess so am I.. And seperate servers, of course.. If you didn't know, it's a 10 maximum per realm.. Yeah, I didn't know, that's why I even bothered mentioning it instead of just buying that they had 20 level 70s. sly




Originally posted by Darth Extecute
It still happened.. I guess you missed the point where I said that the WoW characters are weakened.. I can tell it again, and a bit more specific.. You can try, but without a direct statement you really only have speculation.. which is just guess work, nothing concrete.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Archimonde, Illidan and more are GREATLY weakened in WoW AND Warcraft 3.. Sure, the 25 heroes killed Archimonde in CoT.. but Archimonde didn't use even a portion of his powers.. He didn't even pay them much attention trough the fight..


If you fail in the fight and he get too close to the well.. I know I shouldn't have to tell you this, since you already know it, since you got your level 70 mate and seem to know all about Archimonde and the others anyway.. but I'm saying it to those that doesn't know..

If he get too close to the well, he instantly destroys the 25 heroes.. he raises his hand and uses an ability that players call "hand of death" *poof* and all 25 members are dead in one single spell.. that's an areal effect of his instant kill ability known as "finger of death" Well sucking at a game has never been a factor in these fights.

We know the things they do because the players succeed in the various games. We even know what the hell happens if you fail against him because people have succeeded in getting to him. If players sucking was a factor, its possible that you'd never have anything beyond the young wolves in Northshire for the humans for example.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
It did happen.. *then points at previous sentance* Them being weakened is speculation. Other than CIS which is still admisible in the KMC debates, you don't have any evidence. hell you even get powered up via a buff to have the WOW players beable to do anything to Archie. That doesn't say "depowered" to me.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, I didn't know, that's why I even bothered mentioning it instead of just buying that they had 20 level 70s. sly




You can try, but without a direct statement you really only have speculation.. which is just guess work, nothing concrete.

Well sucking at a game has never been a factor in these fights.

We know the things they do because the players succeed in the various games. We even know what the hell happens if you fail against him because people have succeeded in getting to him. If players sucking was a factor, its possible that you'd never have anything beyond the young wolves in Northshire for the humans for example.

Them being weakened is speculation. Other than CIS which is still admisible in the KMC debates, you don't have any evidence. hell you even get powered up via a buff to have the WOW players beable to do anything to Archie. That doesn't say "depowered" to me.

I'm sorry, but it isn't speculations.. look at him in the books, in Wc3 and in WoW at his abilities.. Forget the defeat of his and just think for a moment.. He can do "hand of death" anytime he wishes, but he doesn't because the players are supposed to have a chance.. if he did it when they enter, there wouldn't be much of a fight.. but he doesnt.. He can, but he doesnt, because if he did they would be lost..

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
I'm sorry, but it isn't speculations.. look at him in the books, in Wc3 and in WoW at his abilities.. Forget the defeat of his and just think for a moment.. He can do "hand of death" anytime he wishes, but he doesn't because the players are supposed to have a chance.. if he did it when they enter, there wouldn't be much of a fight.. but he doesnt.. He can, but he doesnt, because if he did they would be lost.. That's character induced stupidity. Not Plot induced stupidity.

Jubilee could detonate matter on a sub-atomic level, so why didn't she just blow up her enemies?

Cause she chose not to.

CIS not PIS

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's character induced stupidity. Not Plot induced stupidity.

Jubilee could detonate matter on a sub-atomic level, so why didn't she just blow up her enemies?

Cause she chose not to.

CIS not PIS

Trust me.. it is plot.. not character.. or.. well, maybe a bit of both..

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Trust me.. it is plot.. not character.. or.. well, maybe a bit of both.. I think it's character. Characters like goku lose a fight from time to time due also to liking to fight so will hold back to make an enemy a challenge. Characters Like Superman hold back due to not wanting to cause exess damage. Archimonde doesn't even seem to notice the players until it's too late. Galactus doesn't pay attention to people under him either.

Different forms of CIS, but still CIS.

Now, Spiderman beating firelord by punching him... that's an example of PIS, Bone claw Wolverine slashing thanos, also PIS.

Alright.. I didn't know there was something called "CIS", so I can agree with the fact that it is due "CIS" that they live it trough, and not "PIS", but I still believe the real reason he dies is "PIS"

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Alright.. I didn't know there was something called "CIS", so I can agree with the fact that it is due "CIS" that they live it trough, and not "PIS", but I still believe the real reason he dies is "PIS" Plot devices aren't PIS. unless it is something stupid... Like a carrot that increase speed...






I love that trinket.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Plot devices aren't PIS. unless it is something stupid... Like a carrot that increase speed...






I love that trinket.

It's a neat trinket..


I do think it's stupid.. Sure, I can accept the fact that he is destroyed when Malfurion call for the forces of nature.. but when 25 heroes recieve a buff that is supposed to represent that, I find it stupid..