Gore gets a cold shoulder

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Bicnarok
ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works"

He goes on to explain that in certain periods of time, there were many more hurricanes than what are being linked as increases due ot global warming.

Although, his mentioning of the salinity content of the worlds oceans' as being directly related to the number of hurricanes is a new theory to me...I firmly believe we are lying to our youth, as the good doctor goes on to say. Global warming might be going on, but there is no one out there that can PROVE to me it is caused by humans. In fact global warming looks like this........warming, cooling, warming, cooling, warming, cooling.....get the picture??? Cycles, cylces everywhere....Like all cycles, this one too will runout of gas and a new one will begin. Can't wait for all the global cooling theories..... they should be fun!!!!!


More here..

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html

dadudemon
Originally posted by Bicnarok
ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works"

He goes on to explain that in certain periods of time, there were many more hurricanes than what are being linked as increases due ot global warming.

Although, his mentioning of the salinity content of the worlds oceans' as being directly related to the number of hurricanes is a new theory to me...I firmly believe we are lying to our youth, as the good doctor goes on to say. Global warming might be going on, but there is no one out there that can PROVE to me it is caused by humans. In fact global warming looks like this........warming, cooling, warming, cooling, warming, cooling.....get the picture??? Cycles, cylces everywhere....Like all cycles, this one too will runout of gas and a new one will begin. Can't wait for all the global cooling theories..... they should be fun!!!!!


More here..

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html

Al Gore acknowledged that there were a few naysayers out there. However, they are the exception now instead of the norm.

I noticed that his Climate chart in his movie only went back like 600,000 years. It has been much hotter in previous eons and much more oxygen in previous eons.

I would love to debate with Al Gore about this stuff right there with him as he is giving his presentation.

However, do not let this fool you on what my opinion is. I fully believe that we need to clean up our acts as humans. It is utterly ridiculous that we even drive cars that run on fossil fuels right now. They have friggin' cars that run on plain old air now!!! They even have air compressors that can recharge air compressors meaning that you wouldn't have to do anything to you car other than maintenance!!!

inimalist
1) The nobel peace prize is such a joke, I hope the real nobel prizes never have to worry about celebrity nonsense

2) There is a really good body of evidence on global warming at this point and:
a) you are absolutly right when talking about the natural cycles of the planet, and yes, the planet is probably in a natural warming phase.
b) there are almost a undeniable ammount of evidence that shows that this warming trend is at the very least being made worse by man.

3) imho, the cause of global warming is irrelevant. If it is humans, destroying our economy and power supply is not a viable option, and if it is not, we need to adapt. Basically, the arguing over the whos and whys is useless. We need new and better technology.

Devil King
Dr. Gray has been calling Global Warming a hoax since the issue became a political talking point.

I'm skeptical of all the myriad issues that have been lumped under the Global Warming heading. But there is no denying that humans are poisioning the environment. Global Warming isn't just about hurricanes, it's also about our oceans becoming more acidic; our policy of deforestation; the rise in the extinction levels, etc.

Dr. Gray uses the logic that we can't predict the weather of the future with any certainty and then goes on to say that in another 10 years the Earth will begin to cool again. How does he know one will happen, but certain the other will not, if there's no way to predict?

I also believe that the Nobel commitee probably has a few qualified members on the panel.

inimalist
Originally posted by dadudemon
I would love to debate with Al Gore about this stuff right there with him as he is giving his presentation.

I feel this way a lot too when it comes to people who talk about science in the mainstream.

However, as I have observed, people are not swayed by real science. They are swayed by science sounding words and an emotional appeal. If you or I went to debate Al Gore, we would not be arguing about the strict fact of global warming, but in fact, the morality of Polar Bears going extinct.

lord xyz
Gore's a loser, even though he should've won.

deathbucket
Now THERE'S a challenging sentence...

dadudemon
Originally posted by inimalist
I feel this way a lot too when it comes to people who talk about science in the mainstream.

However, as I have observed, people are not swayed by real science. They are swayed by science sounding words and an emotional appeal. If you or I went to debate Al Gore, we would not be arguing about the strict fact of global warming, but in fact, the morality of Polar Bears going extinct.

Yeah, kind of like idiots on the news blaming the Chris Benoit thing on "Roid Rage"...utterly stupid nonsense. What about the other drugs in his system? What about the fact that Chris didn't have nearly as high of testosterone blood serum levels in his system as most people would IF they were on steroids. (One quack went as far to say that he had 50 times the amount of test in his blood as normal....utterly stupid since she failed to show that her method of calculation was not the way used by everyone else AND the way she did it was WRONG!.)

Just sayin' that the Media are idiots and no one would want to watch the news if I forced them to report accurately and correctly AND on more important things other than Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton.

Alpha Centauri
With global warming, it's obviously an "issue" worthy of attention, but how big an issue and what the consequences are I'm still out on committing to.

It's obviously become an issue that everyone is applying their agenda to now, there's money to be made off it, nobody can really be trusted anymore.

I think we've all accepted that the fear-mongering Day After Tomorrow kind of doomsayers are idiots, but I think if there is a problem then we should make an effort to combat it.

The amount of effort people put in definitely relies on how catastrophic the consequences of apathy are made to seem, though. If people said "Yeah, the Earth is getting a bit ****ed up because of us, but nobody is gonna have to wear oxygen suits and we're not gonna all be underwater.", who would honestly worry?

There's obviously a true side of the story out there somewhere, it's just a matter of finding it.

-AC

WrathfulDwarf
Gotta give props to Gore. The man choose a topic of controversy and gets the spotlight. Can't ask for more...except money.

History Buff
Most of the world's scientific experts agree that global warming is caused by man and IS in fact real!

People who still think its a left-wing, liberal conspiracy of some sort should be grouped with Holocaust deniers.

Devil King
That's a bit extreme.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
With global warming, it's obviously an "issue" worthy of attention, but how big an issue and what the consequences are I'm still out on committing to.

It's obviously become an issue that everyone is applying their agenda to now, there's money to be made off it, nobody can really be trusted anymore.

I think we've all accepted that the fear-mongering Day After Tomorrow kind of doomsayers are idiots, but I think if there is a problem then we should make an effort to combat it.

The amount of effort people put in definitely relies on how catastrophic the consequences of apathy are made to seem, though. If people said "Yeah, the Earth is getting a bit ****ed up because of us, but nobody is gonna have to wear oxygen suits and we're not gonna all be underwater.", who would honestly worry?

There's obviously a true side of the story out there somewhere, it's just a matter of finding it.

-AC

That's kind of where I am at the moment. I really try to not buy into he extremist bullshit. (On either side.)

From what I can recall, we are coming out of an ice age still but in the last few years, the warming has increased much faster than previous ice ages. This is measured with the ice core samples I believe.

There is a body of evidence that clearly supports global warming. I personally think that we are part of a naturally warming process and that we are also speeding up the warming process. Since I am not an expert, I don't know to what extent. Can someone provide some graphs/facts/data on this to get the discussion rolling in the right direction? (Still, data can still be subjective and the data collected may not necessarily be done by objective people.)

anaconda
I actually live in a part of the world we can actually see that it has become warmer (average temperature during each of the years 12 months), if it is due to global warming because of man made greenhouse effects theory or just another climatic cycles of this globe I really dont know............fact remains the same though:either way it has become warmer here

WrathfulDwarf
Start packing sun screen lotion...problem solve.

anaconda
and you gonna eat that sun lotion too?

WrathfulDwarf
Oh, let me explain...see, you put it on your skin.

You guys eat anything...silly me.

hehehe....

grey fox
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri


There's obviously a true side of the story out there somewhere, it's just a matter of finding it.

-AC

Who wants to wade through that sea of bullshit ? Not me for sure.

I scoff at those whom seem to believe that the only way to stop global warming is to reduce ourselves to....

A. Hippies.
B. Cavemen

It' my godamn planet and my goddamn car. If I want to f8ck up the planet then so be it. But yeah... Ac has spelled out the gist of it. Money is to be made from GW so lets all 'cash in'.

Evil Dead
Originally posted by History Buff
Most of the world's scientific experts agree that global warming is caused by man and IS in fact real!

People who still think its a left-wing, liberal conspiracy of some sort should be grouped with Holocaust deniers.

by all means, please list these scientific experts aswell as their credentials. we'll wait.

also...since you're a history buff.......please tell me the average temperature of the earth when it was predominantly inhabited by reptiles, cold blooded animals. Do you think T-Rex was roaming around in temperatures anywhere near 30 F degrees? As stated in the quote by a real expert earlier, the earth's climate is an ever-changing cycle. You go from tropical temps (you know...when those reptiles ruled the planet).....gradually it cools to a nice moderate temp (which we've been enjoying now)......eventually to a glacial period. Just as with the last ice age 10,000 years ago or so......the earth's climate starts heading northward again (which is why we are not STILL in an ice age) until we reach tropical temps again. As a history buff, I suggest you read books that cover more than just the last 2000 years of the earth's 4+ billion years of existence.

dadudemon
HOLY SHIT BALLS!!!

Look at what I found!!

"The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming."

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

This entire page has tons and tons of great information pertinent to the discussion. Now I know why Al Gore NEVER has a chart up in his presentations for anything older than 600,000 years...his whole point would be moot.

BackFire
Global warming sucks.

I'm fat and hairy, the last thing I need is another reason to sweat.

Evil Dead
Originally posted by BackFire
Global warming sucks.

I'm fat and hairy, the last thing I need is another reason to sweat. wink

chithappens
Regardless of all that stuff, it is not debatable that humans are destroying ecosystems when they do not have to. The only reason that corporations do not bother to "protect" the environment is money - it cost more to be efficient and they want to squeeze the money in fossil fuels dry.

Stupid, stupid.

Magee
Hemp.

ADarksideJedi
Originally posted by BackFire
Global warming sucks.

I'm fat and hairy, the last thing I need is another reason to sweat.

Sounds like something that stupid man would say.jm

Devil King
Originally posted by chithappens
Regardless of all that stuff, it is not debatable that humans are destroying ecosystems when they do not have to. The only reason that corporations do not bother to "protect" the environment is money - it cost more to be efficient and they want to squeeze the money in fossil fuels dry.

Stupid, stupid.


It only costs more because it's "alternative".

anaconda
Gores main point is or should be the temperature is rising to fast, we humans is helping the global warming process so that as an example glaciers are melting away much faster than they woulld if nature/natural global cycles did it without our aid.
This and the rapid raise in the avarage temrature may cause devestating changes for the entire eco system. Mankind forces this globe to change on their behalf not on its own.
The fact that these global warming/cooling process have happened before doesnt matter, what matter is now and out

Devil King
not to mention how far we can actually drill.

don't shiv
Global warming is a clear and present danger

ozone depletion is not CYCLICAL

don't shiv
Originally posted by Magee
Hemp.

surprisingly makes better quality paper than Wood

don't shiv
The technology is there

http://www.digitalworldtokyo.com/index.php/digital_tokyo/articles/toyotas_hydrogen_car_covers_new_ground/

if we can support it in enough numbers to make it affordable to all socio economic groups we can make a differrence.

chithappens
Originally posted by Devil King
It only costs more because it's "alternative".

True. Too lazy to point that out but I thought it was understood anyway. Not exactly a moot point laughing

Bicnarok

tabby999
the fact Al Gore can win a Nobel prize for sensationalising speculation and guilting people is disgusting.

chillmeistergen
ManBearPig.

tabby999
He's super, super cereal guys

InnerRise
Originally posted by tabby999
He's super, super cereal guys Cereally?

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Quark_666
Originally posted by grey fox
Who wants to wade through that sea of bullshit ? Not me for sure.

Find some politician. It's their job to wade through BS.

SpearofDestiny
We need to take care of our planet because all our actions have consequences on other people and animals.


We need to stop destroying trees, because in doing so we kill off many animals, as well as make the atmosphere less supportive of life.

Also we release cancer causing and brain damaging fumes all over the world, and then inhale this crap.

And on top of that, one of the healthiest foods, fish, is dangerous to eat in excess, because of the mercury present in our waters.



However....


The world isn't going to come to an end any time soon. All of these "the world will end" theories are repeated and recycled bullshit.


I doubt we can truly destroy or wreck the entire planet through our carelessness, because this planet as a whole has survived FAR WORSE than anything we created.



But we are still responsible for each other, and life in general. And yes, our actions of disrespect towards the environment do result in lowering the quality of life and lowering the expectancy of life, nonetheless.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by lord xyz
Gore's a loser, even though he should've won.

What makes him a looser? Are you also a looser or are you beyond Al Gore?

Devil King
What does that mean?

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Devil King
What does that mean?

I'm asking why is Al Gore a looser, what standard is XYZ measuring him against? By that same standard is he a looser? Or is he a winner? Or somewhere in between?

dadudemon
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I'm asking why is Al Gore a looser, what standard is XYZ measuring him against? By that same standard is he a looser? Or is he a winner? Or somewhere in between?

Al Gore lost the election...if you lose something, that makes a loser. If he never joined in the election, he neither has a loss nor a win on "under his belt", therefore he can be neither and does not qualify under his own "loser" "winner" standards.

I lost an election for Vice President (of something...not tellin') so I am a loser as well. sad

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