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Assuming Orochimaru can see Hitsugaya naturally.


A Hitsugaya Tribute
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(Hitsugaya has full access to all his power)


Orochimaru Tribute
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(Orochimaru can use his Edo Tensei, to call out the 1st & 2nd Hokages)

Hitsugaya uses his Hyourinmaru to freeze Orochimaru, then cuts the ice into thousands of pieces. Oro dies. Game over.

Maybe Orochimaru sinks into he floor and avoids it, then Hitsugaya is vunerable from a sudden attack from below

Hitsugaya can fly. That advantage plus his ability to freeze any thing pretty much guarantees him the win.

Err so far unless he is on his death bed Orochimaru has shown that he is pretty much immune to physical damage. Also whitey actually has to hit him. Meanwhile Orochimaru is going to be carving him up with the Kusanagi. Heck who needs the Edo Tensi here?

Originally posted by Warmonger
Err so far unless he is on his death bed Orochimaru has shown that he is pretty much immune to physical damage. Also whitey actually has to hit him. Meanwhile Orochimaru is going to be carving him up with the Kusanagi. Heck who needs the Edo Tensi here? Hitsugaya has a much longer sword than Oro. Not to mention he could just freeze him, then shatter him.

Uh have you seen Orochimaru's reach? Check his fight with the 4-tails Orochimaru definetly has the reach advantage even over Whitey. Also yeah Whitey can freeze then shatter him... or Orochimaru can just stab him. Guess which one I'm betting on?

Whitey actually has to tag him with the move Orochimaru is fast enough to avoid pretty much all of his attacks. Also Orchimaru has a pretty good stamina advantage, while Whitey rusn out of steam as his Ice flower things evaporate.

Going on Hitsugaya's fight with the Bounto I myself would give it to Orochimaru

Bount arc is noncanon, it is entirely filler.

All Hitsugaya has to really stay in the air and then attack with those ice pillars. If Orochimaru tries to stab him with that blade, Hitsu can just stab it and freeze him from there.

Then there's the fact that as long as there's water vapor in the air, Hitsugaya has an unlimited amount of attacks.

I am mostly up to date with both the Bleach and Naruto manga series. From what Orochimaru and Hitsugaya have shown us of their powers (which pretty much seems to be the full extent of their abilities), I would definitely have to go with Hitsugaya on this match-up.

hitsuguya can change the whole terrain into ice so he wins

Orichimaru wins via

GATSUUUUGGAAAA!!!!!

Reading your posts it does sound alot like your just assuming Orochimaru is just going to try at attack with his sword ^^'

Actually... Gatsuuga isn't even one of Orichimaru's moves.. it's Kiba and Akamaru's move

Hitsugaya goes Bankai, and straight up owns Orochimaru wit teh ice

Yes. Because Nartuo characters have never fought Ice before.

Originally posted by Remindme
Reading your posts it does sound alot like your just assuming Orochimaru is just going to try at attack with his sword ^^'
Considering Hitsugaya can fly, Orochimaru's only other option would be to summon Mandra, who would simply become frozen.

Long story short, Hitsugaya flies up as high as possible to gain as much control of the water in the atmosphere as possible then easily owns Orochimaru. Even if Mandra can reach Hitsugaya, he would be frozen instantly.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Uh have you seen Orochimaru's reach? Check his fight with the 4-tails Orochimaru definetly has the reach advantage even over Whitey. Also yeah Whitey can freeze then shatter him... or Orochimaru can just stab him. Guess which one I'm betting on?

Whitey actually has to tag him with the move Orochimaru is fast enough to avoid pretty much all of his attacks. Also Orchimaru has a pretty good stamina advantage, while Whitey rusn out of steam as his Ice flower things evaporate.

Shyun. Po.

Whitey wins.

Seriously, in most cases, Bleachers will win because of Shyunpo.

not even close. simply put, hitsugaya dies. uro has his huge chakra to deflect any freeze atatcks. besides, his body's resiliance will stiop it from being flash frozen. he also knows fire jutsu if people have forgotten and that is a huge disadvantage to hitsugaya. even if hitsugaya flies, uro's reach is on a huge geographical level. kusanagi can cut through any ice shields or constructs. plus uro's ability to heal from damage is insane, being cut in half and remaking himself etc. as far as speed goes, its a fact that naruto characters are more than a match for shyunpuo. uro's ultimate defense can also take on any attack histugaya dishes at him. there is also the fact that uro has quite commonly used space/time jutsus to teleport which is a large disadvantege to hitsugaya. same with the clone thing, uro can create many and hitsugaya cant tell the difference. plus there is the edo tensei. the first's mukotan is compareable with ease to hitsugaya's ice contructs and the second's genjutsu and water jutsu wud also trump hitsugaya. there is also uro's summons, manda. ofcourse, we have uro's own genjutsu bind etc. plus his poison.

neither uro nor his edo tensei were fighting at full power against the 4th hokage and in his own words, he was PLAYING with 4 tails. suigetsu was visibly annoyed by the fact that sasuke took so long and was so busted up after his titanic fight with diedara, saying simply that urochimaru is so much stronger. in short, uro wins, hitsugaya has no chance. the highest tier bleach characters might have a better chance against uro, but not really. currently the bleachverse hasnt been powered up anywhere near t what narutoverse has.

Orichimaru has an ultimate deense?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Orichimaru has an ultimate deense? No.

yes he does. his rashamon gate/s are his ultimate defence. how you managed to miss that, i dunno, but the twins curse sealed sound nin clearly stated it when they used it against kiba and akamaru's double fang destroyer jutsu. ofcourse like other characters in the series, he might show a stronger defence later.

Whern has Orochimaru ever shown to be able to deflect freezing attacks or resist being frozen solid? His special blade also hasn't been shown to cut through any thing harder than the Third Hokage.

Honesty, all Hitsugaya has to do is fly up and Orochimaru won't touch him. Even if he summons the other three Hokages, Hitsu could just simply freeze them all in one sitting.

lol. kusanagi was HURTING enma when he was in his diomand hard mystical staff form. it got through naruto's protective chakra field before he pulled it out of himself. kusanagi is one of the strgonest weapons in naruto. if hitsugaya flies up, uro cud use his extended neck/hands/snakes/manda/kusanagi/a simple fire jutsu/a water jutsu/teleportation/his snake form/ among other things. or just ride on mukotan or let mokotan destroy hitsugaya or let thhe second hokage shoot his water beams. hitsugaya has no chance in this fight.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes he does. his rashamon gate/s are his ultimate defence. how you managed to miss that, i dunno, but the twins curse sealed sound nin clearly stated it when they used it against kiba and akamaru's double fang destroyer jutsu. ofcourse like other characters in the series, he might show a stronger defence later. Since Oro is effectively dead last time I checked, I don't think he will be improving. Also, if it is so ultimate, why was it broken thru?

IMO, Samehada is the strongest weapon in Naruto btw.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Since Oro is effectively dead last time I checked, I don't think he will be improving. Also, if it is so ultimate, why was it broken thru?

IMO, Samehada is the strongest weapon in Naruto btw.

he isnt dead. hes taking over his host, kabuto. and uro isnt exactly "dead" in sasuke either, sasuke is just in control of his body. bet u anything we havent seen the last of uro. besides, he was killed when he was very weak.

samehada isnt the strongest weapon in naruto at all. what gives u that impression. it didnt even cut through two kunai's. its power lies in{from what is seen} sucking chakra. other things include returning back to its owner and only answering to him.

diomand staff of enma and kusanagi have far more to their credit and many more powers. not to mention they are based on some of the most powerful artifacts in japanese/buddhist mythology.

HURT =/= WOUND. he wasnt wounded but the statement was there so that we know he was hurt.



against 4 tails when kusanagi came out of his mouth and pushed naruto back the distance of miles and his neck was comparebly high.



hitsu isnt freezing a mystical object like the kusanagi. itll cut through his ice contructes like butter.



the POINT being it grew an entire city out of nuthing. the city itself had extremely tall buildings but not skyscrappers because those werent REQUIRED. if mukotan can easily grow cities, then why do u think cant it grow singularly and as high as a flying bird? ridiculous.



he is. easily. plus he has jutsu so he doesnt need to. plus he has teleportation. plus he has body blicker. he can also summon manda to get their or just have manda jump. or uncoil. you are also forgetting how high narutoers can jump. even sasuke easily apperaed behind diedara in high flight. and that was without his wing.

here we go again. yes, thats because he was a staff and acting as a weapon and not a being.



it does. do u even know the history behind an object like the kusanagi?



lol, the creater naruto created was itself larger than a mile by far. the tree line is tiny and the trees in actual size are gigantic in narutoverse and in that forest.



no, he can not freeze an object with such high mystical power.



really? other than having mystical force enough to pierce mystical shielgs. stretching to shatter enything with huge force, ability to of telekenetic control whichpropels it at incredible speeds and forces so that even enma cudnt stop it?



no, he created it altogether. that is the way it is talked about. his clone is far weaker than him and that waterfall is larger by far than anything hitsugaya has ever created. it was a colossal landmass.



anti flying already been dealt with.



no body flicker isnt limited to the ground. sasuke used it against diedara. and often body flicker is used to appear behind the opponent in mid air. plus with high enouiugh chakra, u can change direction mid air in naruto as naruto with kyuubi chakra, open gate rock lee and others have shown.



not true, even diedara said how he cudnt fly anymore. and it wasnt a wing, that is why sasuke was using it to grab tree trunks and "pull" himself away form the explosion as opposed to just flying away. a lot of people can reachhitsugaya by just jumping.




uve been told. whether u listen or not is upto u?

Do try to take into account how the character fights, how they are gonig to react, don't assume they know perfectly how to counter/dodge the enemies attack

no, he did so only in specific instances where the plot required. hsi statement still holds.



not significant. he said it and it holds true.



1. he can never freeze it.
2. he is not as fast as uro



and i have yet to see if an egg doesnt cook in the core of the sun. cause obviously. other instances of resiliance being overcome {like on the stove maybe} has nuthing to do with the sun right. . dont make silly arguments, hitsugaya's constructs can not flash freeze mystical objects mch stronger than him. otherwise whas to stop hitsugaya from killing aizein in a flash and flash freezing and destroying his zanpakuto??????????????



the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that he can freeze an object like the kusanagi.



if yamato can create that huge landmass than theres nuthing stoppiung from lettin the first create it in one go.



too slow. too weak. will be dead before he has a chance. ice constructs wil be destroyed by fire jutsu. uro will teleport, earth and water jutsu can both protect against and destroy such constructs.



no, uro is faster than him, and his attacks are too fast for hitsugaya to easily dodge. plus they are numerous.



no, they CAN, and have. its only used in fights with the opponent being strong enough.



YOUR interpretation. not supported by what he did when he practically turned into a burning beam. also, kyuubi chakra naruto changed direction midair to avoid neiji throwing shuriken. thats a fact.



untrue. ive given reasons. he was using it to grapple trees which he wudnt do if it was a wing. diedara says it. plus i beleive at the time when he captured diedara into a genjutsu which diedara seemed to counter, he wasnt using the cursed seal. hence no wings.



their reach has no real limit. you avoid this. plus hitsugaya doesnt have to stand, he can do shuunpyo and stilll get his ass kicked by those techniques.



there is no limit to how high they can go. hitsugaya is too slow. and he cant touch them. that is established.



all three are capable of reaching hitsugaya's height.



repeating yourself. he isnt on upper tier naruto level. he will get cumberstomped.

you dont yell out everytime mild injury happens in narutoverse. even u shud know that. the statement was there to comment on the power of kusanagi



based on comparisons with other charactera who have superior speed feats to bleachverse. extensive discussion on itachi vs aizen thread and narutoverse vs bleachverse thread. go check it out n dont bother me with restating every detail.



u mean other than the feats ive shown and other than the fact that even the 4 tail's chakra cudnt hold it at bay???


self appraisal



1. great, so has haku, n yet neither wud be said to posess the ability to freeze and destroy aizen's zanpakuto wud they

2. the kusanagi has shown immunity to all elements and ability to overpower huge chakra's like the nine tail. chakra=abstract mystical power. freezing is just a representation of reitsu/chakra etc. kusanagi is superior to it

3. yes it has. every time.



lmao, irony.



do u even read. my last post had nuthing to do with hitsugaya. u were just arguing that the firstr didnt make konoha all at once and i proved how he easily cud. please do not bring in obscure and derailing statements. they are generally called ridiculous debating tactics when u have no worthy points left to state.




really? he didnt in his fight against sasuke. or while avoiding the 4 tails. or when he instantaneously appeared from a mile away with kabuto and sasori cloned yamato who didnt even feal him?



you shud give that a try yourself. "thinking" i mean.



already stated. and many people far weaker and slower than him have so its easy to compare.




lol. so because a certain technique wasnt used in every instance of fighting it cud be used in makes it nonexistant??? . please. come up with a better argument. if mangaka started doing that then tehre wudnt be any point to writing things like tactical fights and plot wud it????

the 4th hokage cud TELEPORT. it isnt the same as body flicker which is speed.



lol. lee CAN use chakra. but he cant use it to sact ninjutsu or genjutsu. what do u think was the thing surrounding him and creating the jet like sounds when he opened his gates? that was chakra and naruto and kakashi both commented on how it had changed.

lol, at the second one. so because he jumped off a wall at one time means he didnt change direction mid air when neiji threw shurikens at him in another instance? dont be ridiculous.

as for the last part. your being idiotic. there is no place where it can be CLEARLY SEEN or judged that his snakes and helping him fly. to top it off, the snaked were used on panel as a grapple to pull away from an explosion which dwudnt be necessary if he was flying. on top of that they are SNAKES and dont resemble at all a wing. nor does it state on panel that they ar being used to fly. stop goofing around with no evidence.




1. based on the fact that no limit has been shown and there is evidence to suggest it works on the level of city scapes.

2. the height limit has already been explained. the speed thing can be inferred from feats and comparing lower tier bleach and naruto characters and comparing feats. again, go look at the bleach vs naruto or itachi vs aizen threads.

3. no amount of hight can put limits on how high the stated jutsus can go.





now did i say all????? no. quite a few can but most can not. as for kusanagi, the arhument for freezing is ludicrous. evidence and logic was given on every step, you just failed to listen.

HURT=/= INJURY. your hurt by falling, not injured for the greater part. he said it and it was to comment on the power of the kusanagi. that is a fact you can not null.



an on panel statement holds more significance than your congested denial of the statement.




im not going into this again. the discussion spanned a fair few filled pages of trying to find instances of objectively verifyable speed estimates and estimating from there. go look up the threads i told u. im not holding anything back. even the MAJOR ONES have enough discussion to fill multiple posts.




yes they do. its mystically powered and can shatter through ice constructs by extending, and telekenetically moving and cutting through them as it can cut through chakra and nearly anything else. the 4 tails was first impaled by it and it puched him back the distance of mile/s, then he forced it out and held it at bay which uro thought was highly impressive. a mystical metal object can not be FLASH FROZEN. and even if it is SURROUNDED by an ice construct, ive given you reazons how it can easily break through.



1. lmao, are you really implying hitsugaya COULD freeze aizen or his zanpakuto without them easily breaking through and resisting being flash frozen and contering with their reitsu??? cause if u do, u have another thing coming. level of spiritual reitsu/chakra matter greatly in these things.
2. show me one instance of aizen resisting being froezen or his zanpakuto doing so. does that mean they can not based on other showings concerning durability and spiritual power???? really the burden of evidence falls on YOU to substantiate the freezing claim.

3. lol, repeating arguments.



yes just like i assume that goku can beat hitsugaya or that aizen sousake can beat pikashu. wud you say these assumptions are false based on lack of emperic evidence where goku fought hitsugaya or aizen fought pikachu?



lol ur playing childish word games. first you asked for evidence to back up a claim. then when it was given you contered by saying sumthing which had nuthing to do with the discussion at hand in an attempt to appear that u made a previous point which wasnt adequately dealt with. idiotic debating tactic number x.



first u say there are no such instances. then you say such instances exist but prove nothing? one wud say you are merely being stubborn where evidence to the contrary has been provided.




never been shown? hmmm, i can think of many instances like when the sound 4 carried urochimaru away in the air jumping far into the sky. mostly though, it isnt because ground offers better terrain advantages. and shinobi jump on top of buildings in single bounds all the time.

as far as body flicker goes, ninja's have appeared mid air behind their enemies all the time.




chakra is the same for eveyone. he doesnt apply chakra to his taijutsu until he opens the gates. he does use it to stand on vertical surfaces etc. also if u notice, he was destroying everything he stepped on, while the walls werent destroyed. also, the angels he was making wud have him jumping off of walls in the spectator stands but no1 sensed it and his flicker movements were confined to inside the stadium. and another basic proof is how he after taking off the weights, does multiple mid air kicks to gaara's sand protection and before completely spinning, changes direction mid air, stop and moves to another location to kick. that was what shocked gaara. he was changing directions mid air.





LMAO!!! . look very carefully at the third scan u urself posted. naruto has leapt off the wall and neiji throws the shuriken, and they all miss as naruto changes direction MID AIR{ he is neither near the wall nor the ground} . and neiji states how his speed has inscread. thanx for proving my point.










the burden of evidence is on YOU to show that they can not. they have been shown to go as high as necessary, with gamabunta even jumping higher than miles in a single normal leap. there is everything to indicate that they can go as high as they want.

ythe kusanagi cant be frozen argument is as solid as they come. its structure can not be flash frozen because of mystical power and it can not be confined by ice because it can eaily break through based on the reasons given previously.

what was the purpose of the statement then?




sigh, u wanna play the basic high end feat game then. inzabuza arc, sasuke percieved and avoided haku moving at lightspeed. zabuza moves the strength of half a footbal field and end ups between the konoha nin before they can blink or even shaaringan can percieve it.



freezing has been dealt with. it has mystical power because it cud hurt diomand hard mystical staff of enma as stated. it is mystical because it can extend unnaturally and be controlled telekenetically. it is mystical because urochimaru is SURPRISED that kyuubi tailed naruto chakra cud defend against it.



it isnt, they both have chakra/reitsu. both can impose pressure with it and use it for techniques. kusanagi doesnt have to emit energy. all it has to do is have enough contained power to keep form being flash frozen.. and it can easily cut through ice confinement later by the methods told. it doesnt have to EMIT energy to cut, it IS a mystically powerful artifact. ur thinking of energy as being discrete from the object itself.




and yet parallels exist. people weaker than uro have shown to be doing far more damage than aizen.




way to dodge the question. the thing i was referring to was how u replied with "doesnt matter, hitsu can just avoid it" when it was never implied that creating the contstruct was being debated to be unavoidable by hitsu. the proposition was that it CUD RISE AS HIGH, and you were supposed to be disproving THAT. its a devious debating tactic.



you implied it very clearly by showing sarcasm and demanding scans which showed that uro had ever shown to be that fast.

as for the second one. lmao. when the words FAST appear on the manga in the subtext. it means FAST even by naruto standards. the blurring lines and after images are evidence. uro was avoiding it.



i wasnt talking about the spider guy. i was talking about the height the other sound reached which u said was unreacheable.

ahan, they have, naruto clones jumping from the lake in the hundreds were reaching heights higher than the surrounding mountains.





no it is body flicker mid air. u said it wasnt possible. i showed it was.





re read what i wrote.






true, the same as chakra and ninjutsu isnt part of the laws of physics. spiderman can because of plot device. luffy can because of manga physics. got a problem with it, take it up with the mangaka.




lol. look again. he jumped BEFORE, neiji threw the shuriken. to attack neiji. neiji then threw the shuuriken. then naruto in midair moved away. you can also see a flicker of lines and shadow moving LATERALLY left away from the shurikens in the picture . that debunks ur claim of naruto having jumped to get AWAY from the shuriken.



lmao, same as you saying "hitsugaya can flash freeze anything including aizen/zanpakuto/kusanagi, he just hasnt TRIED. and it isnt a negetive, there ie enough evidence to suggest that kusanagi has the resiliance to sto from being flash frozen and techniques to cut through ice constructs.




please, ur trying to derail the argument. i was referring to summons and manda and how uro cud use it to reach hitsugaya. gamabunta is also a summon.




LOL, look up and SMILE!

Don't even bother, Accel. Leon makes bullshit up to make Naruto look better than it really is. Most of the crap he says (like 99.9 percent) is just his own fabricated nonsense.

Hitsugaya freezes and slices Oro into pieces.

Game over. Whitey FTW.

Originally posted by Accel
Then there's the fact that as long as there's water vapor in the air, Hitsugaya has an unlimited amount of attacks.
There won't be much water vapor once the 2nd Hokage starts using his water attacks.

u have any idea how lame your reasoning sounds? an elder summon bein that stupid?




down to smiley's when you cant support ur argument? haku was moving at the speed of reflection. poor you, you mustv missed every naruto high end feat.





yes it cant be frozen. and the fact that it first pierced through the chakra and then was held back by it making even urochimaru take not is evidence enough. btw, you seem to be ridiculing a lot and not producing any counter argument.




NEITHER HAS HITSUGAYA!!!! if INFINITE is the height that will make u beleive either can go as HIGH AS THEY WANT. then im sorry, ur never gonna see it. not in bleach or naruto. both have shown to be able to go as high as necessary.




RIGHT. and there is any quantifyable way to measure hitsugaya's speed feat???? lol, that is what happens when u dont read the background in the threads i mentioned. over there there WERE objective speed estimates made of both series. guess who came out on top?????




hiding inaptitude to reply to an on panel feat. tut tut tut.




sasuke did. naruto did against neiji. and again, they CAN do it. that is the main point. and you are lying, my argument consisted of kusanagi/long range juts fire and water jutsu/teleportation/body flicker/body extension/reching heights by using summons.




that is because just like the first time, u didnt read it.




bull. normal naruto can not, and normal naruto doesnt know body flicker.




lmao. are you blind. look at the third scan{god im repeating myself cause ur being stubborn} he jumps to attack neiji. neji throws 4 shuriken straight at him. shuriken miss AFTER he is airborn and pouncing on neiji and we see a shadow and flicker lines moveing LATERALLY "left" of the shuriken paths. what more evidence do u need of mid air direction change. and you failed to comment on lee's midair stopping and multiple kicking. plus there is evidence of it in shippuden as guy opens his gates and literally flies like a rocket and blitzes kisame clone.



no counter?




has aizen shown any resistance to being frozen???? lol. admit it your bleach biased, thats why u thinkk two characters, NEITHER of whom have specifically shown durability against being frozen are not the same and say that one would be because he hasntr shown ability to NOT BE. while the other wudn be{"never said he cud freeze aizen"} simply because hes never shown the ability TO be frozen. logical fallacy.

and ive commented on the kusanagi thing. being a mystical artifact and it has enoguh to strngth to stop from being STRUCTURALLY damaged by flash freezing{e.g. freezing and shattering}. it CAN be "surrounded" by ice constructs but ive already shown how it can cut and break those easily.




based on what? the snake is taller by far than gamabunta. he is also higly agile. and can extend to great heights as it is.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Don't even bother, Accel. Leon makes bullshit up to make Naruto look better than it really is. Most of the crap he says (like 99.9 percent) is just his own fabricated nonsense.

Hitsugaya freezes and slices Oro into pieces.

Game over. Whitey FTW.

bitterness getting to you?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
bitterness getting to you?

Not really. Why would I feel bitter about somebody who has to pull shit out of his ass to support something that's blatantly untrue because of his fanboyism? If anything, I get a good laugh at your futile attempt to make Naruto look better than it really is. Not because it's funny, but because watching people phail is always entertaining.

You have absolutely nothing but completely unsupported statements backed by groundless arguments.

Whitey freezes and obliterates Oro because Oro simply has too little going for him. End of story.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Not really. Why would I feel bitter about somebody who has to pull shit out of his ass to support something that's blatantly untrue because of his fanboyism? If anything, I get a good laugh at your futile attempt to make Naruto look better than it really is. Not because it's funny, but because watching people phail is always entertaining.

You have absolutely nothing but completely unsupported statements backed by groundless arguments.

Whitey freezes and obliterates Oro because Oro simply has too little going for him. End of story.

for some one who doesnt care about me, you sure are saying a lot of things concerning me. sum wud say even fuming......u sure it isnt bitterness?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
for some one who doesnt care about me, you sure are saying a lot of things concerning me. sum wud say even fuming......u sure it isnt bitterness?

Stating the truth isn't being bitter, sugar. It's merely correcting a wrong.

But, hey... If you can lie to yourself about Naruto, then I guess you can lie to yourself about my being angry. Even though both cases, you're wrong. =)

Have a nice day, hun.

Whitey wins/.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Stating the truth isn't being bitter, sugar. It's merely correcting a wrong.

But, hey... If you can lie to yourself about Naruto, then I guess you can lie to yourself about my being angry. Even though both cases, you're wrong. =)

Have a nice day, hun.

Whitey wins/.

and yet, not even being a part of the discussion, you decide to post replies which use words like "HUN" which is obviously a term of sarcastic endearment. wudnt that suggest that your still bitter?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and yet, not even being a part of the discussion, you decide to post replies which use words like "HUN" which is obviously a term of sarcastic endearment. wudnt that suggest that your still bitter?

Sarcasm is a form of humour and wit. Nowhere is it stated that it has to be used when bitter. In fact, I don't think I've ever used sarcasm to express bitterness. I guess this is just one of those things you made up, like, you know, your entire Naruto argument, to try to appear like you know what you're talking about -- even though it's blatantly obvious you don't.

What's to be bitter about? The entire BOARD agrees that Bleach is faster, more powerful and has better feats than Naruto. Do you really think your out-of-your-ass lies will really change what's actually displayed?

Tsk, tsk.

Whitey wins.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Sarcasm is a form of humour and wit. Nowhere is it stated that it has to be used when bitter. In fact, I don't think I've ever used sarcasm to express bitterness. I guess this is just one of those things you made up, like, you know, your entire Naruto argument, to try to appear like you know what you're talking about -- even though it's blatantly obvious you don't.

What's to be bitter about? The entire BOARD agrees that Bleach is faster, more powerful and has better feats than Naruto. Do you really think your out-of-your-ass lies will really change what's actually displayed?

Tsk, tsk.

Whitey wins.

WIT???? . please do not give yourself so much credit. it really isnt well placed. self praise couples with false statements and poor attempts at personal insult, sum wud say, your STILL bitter .

Originally posted by leonheartmm
WIT???? . please do not give yourself so much credit. it really isnt well placed. self praise couples with false statements and poor attempts at personal insult, sum wud say, your STILL bitter .

False statements? Is that why everything Accel has stated has actual canon proof with scans that support it? And is that why everything you stated is obviously contradicted by manga scans? Uh, right.

You can think all you want to, sugar. But in the end.... Whitey wins. And hard.

enma's statement = ON PANEL EVIDENCE. your oppinion that in spite of the statement he didnt get hurt = CONJECTURE




his statement does that. the fact that it was never specifically stated to nevr have felt pain is another. his statement sets up the premise.

and most of the examples are of characters UNDERESTIMATING their opposition. and marvel as about as consistant as the bible so that is a bad example to generalise from.

u dont have to wait, his statement and further lack of any denial of the statement on panel is evidence enough. what ur doing is like saying kisame is greater than jiraya even though kisame said he was afraid of him and cudnt handle him and yet simply because jiraya didnt specifically own kisame's ass in the small encounter.



lol. your logic is circular. he flew because he had the snakes. the snakes were wings because they came out after he {supposedly} flew{never stated on panel}. ur forgetting that SNAKES are not WINGS, your also forgetting the major fact that he JUMPED and used body flicker to gte their. and the most major thing your CONSISTANTLY being unable to reply to is the fact that sasuke used the snakes as GRAPPLE to grab onto a tree trunk and PULL himself away from the explosion when infact it wudnt be necessary if they cud help him fly as he wudv just flown away.



to balance the projection of his remaining wing. to cover the reveales wound of his broken wing. to have some kind of protection that previously the wing offered. but THE MOST easy and understandable definition is he used them as GRAPPLING TOOLS in the absense of his wing.{he grappled with in on panel}.



lol, now what did i say? evident in the MANGA, PROVEN by crosschekcing in the anime. u have no case.




lol. he was commenting on how ANY chakra cud deflect or keep the kusanagi at bay. if u look at the scan, it first pierces him but later naruto resists it by grabbing it in his HAND, and it is that which uro think is so great, naruto being able to grab it and puch it back at all.




didnt i already explain it. it was PIS, plot device, stupidity. but it HAPPENED. he moved at the speed of REFLECTION between mirrors which is lightspeed.




being stubborn again?

Originally posted by Haruhi
False statements? Is that why everything Accel has stated has actual canon proof with scans that support it? And is that why everything you stated is obviously contradicted by manga scans? Uh, right.

You can think all you want to, sugar. But in the end.... Whitey wins. And hard.

lmao. still hiding behind other people? the scans posted themselves quite explicitly agree with my point. but ofcourse, u havent read them. furthermore, it can also be seen explicitly in the exact same scenes in the manga. so i guess kishimoto who is involved in it is prbably an idiot too and accel's oppinion which the manga contradicts is right?

but what am i saying, this isnt about me and accel, its about u n ur personal enemities.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao. still hiding behind other people? the scans posted themselves quite explicitly agree with my point. but ofcourse, u havent read them. furthermore, it can also be seen explicitly in the exact same scenes in the manga. so i guess kishimoto who is involved in it is prbably an idiot too and accel's oppinion which the manga contradicts is right?

but what am i saying, this isnt about me and accel, its about u n ur personal enemities.

Problem is, everything you state is contradicted by what Kishimoto himself wrote and drew. You're either illiterate or blind, if you actually believe half the crap you're spewing.

And again, what's to be personal about? Last I checked, Bleachers >>> Naruto. So, tough break for Naruto fanboys like you, huh? Haha. I can tell, however, that you're taking this personally, because you're the one touching that subject.

Phail.

lmao, it isnt my statement, it is ENMA'S ON PANEL STATEMENT WHICH WASNT SPECIFICALLY CONTRADICTED. again, the example of kisame vs jiraya remains.



nowhere NEAR as inconsistant as marvel for heaven's sake.



the third hokage was losing. urochimaru didnt fight all out at all seeing from his later appearances against tsunde+jiraya and against the 4 tails{and he still wasnt going all out against naruto}. the ONLY reason the aging thrid hoikage stood a chance of winning was because he used shiki fuujin which is as good as a suicide jutsu with almost unbeateable affects. hence the hefty price of one's soul. naruto wasnt keeping up with sasuke at all. he was getting beaten, it was after he decided to use the chidori vs raasengan head on that they were almost equal. even then sasuke held naruto nythe neck and almost killed him wiht chidori. it was only after THAT that naruto started beating him at speed and that was when the KYUUBI CHAKRA took over. even without the tail narutto was running so fast that the plank sasuke threw at him burst into flames and burnt to ashes before it even made contact with him just by the air friction surrounding him. and later on the tail took over. duh, its simple.
gaara's sand shield was NOT penetrated by bonde fragments, just his sabako kyuu {desert coffin} was overpowered. his shield of shukaku took the attack. and u are severely underestimating kimimaru, he was nearly as powerful as sasuke is now. plus if u noticed, later even kimimaru's last dance of the klimt created super dense chakra bones the size of a fair few stories in the field as far as the eye can see. also, all the characters are MUCH STRONGER IN SHIPPUDEN, and gaaras is kazekage, aka, strongest in the sand village. so ther u go, consistant.



i can prove he said it on panel. and i can prove it wasnt specifically contradicted. i can also prove that there was no reason to him to state the obvious and anythin less than a sever injury. your point is off panel conjecture that contradicts on panel evidence.




right right, simply because peple can do amazing things and summon acid spewing slugs means that urochimaru uses the kusanagi as a sex toy and naruto is actually a hermaphrodite while diedara is just playing dead after his fight with sasuke because every1 is SOOOO amazing. what bull. the fact is that sasuke used them to GRAPPLE and NOT fly, when infact he cud have easily avoided the blast if he FLEW and wudnt HAVE to grapple. thats enough evidence that snakes were not acting as a wing. oh wait hey, if they were, wudnt that support the idea that people like urochimaru without wings can used chakra and chakra based jutsu to change direction in mid air and FLY to keep uo with hitsygaya??? lol, ud better make sure where u stand.



riiiight, and those examples are significant here HOW? it is NOT SHOWN ON PANEL THAT HE WAS USING THE SNAKES AS WINGS, HE WAS USING THEM AS "GRAPPLES" ON PANEL.




but i do know, they were to cover up the wound and were used on panel as grapples.




correction, fillers are not cannon. the anime pretty much is. besides, i proved it in the manga and THEN resorted to the anime of the exact same scan to support it. u have no argument. oh hey, wasntr haku changing direction mid air with chakra ?




LOL, it didnt go THROUGH him, but he felt the brunt of the attack, and it blasted him back which katon etc cudnt do. it was LATER that he held it with his hand and pushed it away AFTER which uro made the comment. ur giving incomplete scans on purpose rent u?



read above. incomplete scan.



lmao. he was moving at the speed of REFLECTION. and a lot of the images are illusions. it seems that was because he is moving so ffast from one to the other that he seems everywhere.



circular logic. ur assuming sasuke and naruto are weak. sasuke's shaaringan cud see him. and naruto had kyuubi chakra when he blasted the whole contruct away. it just goes to show how powerful narutoers are if you are gonna look at high end showings.




lmao, i think ur already doing a fine enough job of being beaten at every argument, i dont have to make it harder for you.



correction, delusions do not constutue reality.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Problem is, everything you state is contradicted by what Kishimoto himself wrote and drew. You're either illiterate or blind, if you actually believe half the crap you're spewing.

And again, what's to be personal about? Last I checked, Bleachers >>> Naruto. So, tough break for Naruto fanboys like you, huh? Haha. I can tell, however, that you're taking this personally, because you're the one touching that subject.

Phail.

lmao, ur the one who poked ur nose into a thread which u had no part in to begin with. ur the one who hasnt posted a single argument concerning the topic here. ur the one who's posts have started and continue uptil now to only serve as flaming against me with no other evidence either way. ur also the one who is hiding behind other posters who are on the opposite side from me when you urself are not debating.


hmmmm, and IM taking this personally? seeing the above facts, what motivation exactly do YOU have for continuing on with this childish game? lol, sum wud still say your bitter .

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, ur the one who poked ur nose into a thread which u had no part in to begin with. ur the one who hasnt posted a single argument concerning the topic here. ur the one who's posts have started and continue uptil now to only serve as flaming against me with no other evidence either way. ur also the one who is hiding behind other posters who are on the opposite side from me when you urself are not debating.


Actually, I did post my thoughts on it. Whitey wins because of the many things everybody else said already. Do I really have to repeat what they said to post an argument? No. The difference here is, you're posting an argument, because you're the ONLY one who believes that crap. Everybody else posting knows how full of crap and untrue your statements are. I'm merely coming in here and telling you that's what they are. Full of crap and untrue. If you think this is personal, then you're not looking at anything objectively. You're TRYING to make it personally by pointing in that direction, when all I've been doing is stating the truth... which is, again, that your arguments are full of crap and not true.




Because I like pointing a finger at the thread dunce and telling everybody else about it. Is it personal? Nope. I do that with every fanboy that I know are wrong. =)

So, yeah. Whitey wins, phailure. You can keep posting fabricated crap, but that's how it ends. Whitey freezes Oro, chops up the icicle, calls it a day. All that crap about "So and so can't be frozen" = not true, because it's never been displayed.

it was said on panel. it wasnt specifically DISPROVEN, and theres reason enough to beleive why it wasnt specifically PROVEN. it holds ground. your views =off panel conjecture



ahan, and how many of those examples are from naruto? fail. you are talking about marvela and dc comics where at one time a character is beat down by enemies not even on the city destroying level and at other times can take the megido warhead which cud have destroyed galaxies. again, this just goes to show that despite small retcons and uniform powerfups, naruto remains FAR more consistant than marvel and dc.



and how many of those statements deny what enma said? fail. he said it, grounds for beleif. it wasnt disprven, beleif persists. theres reason to beleive that good reasons exist for lack of on panel ACTIONS to further support the beleif, beleif is reinforced.


so whats was the point of the statement? was kishimoto stupid? read above to.



lmao. and u claim this based on WHAT?



right, thats his big achievement? knocking a blade out of urochi's hand when he wasnt expecting it? . the only reason he won was because of using a forbidden technique which cost him his LIFE. it was like a suicide bomber. he cudnt have countered the edo tensin without the shiki fuujin. and guess who walked away from the fight, urochi.



reflexes =/= speed. and sasuke wasnt seen to e using his super speed or body flicker. and lets admit it, neither were going all out. and if i remember correctly, the naruto clones were being easily beaten by sasuke. and ur quoting the least powerful example of both characters in the entire manga btw. except perhaps the beginning of zabuza arc.



LMAO. . that was gaara using a partial guard. the same one overcome by lee without his wieghts. and if u posted the next scan, kimimaru's hassendan just rotated and fell down harmlessly and gaara didnt even flinch. gaara wan putting chakra in his shield, he was basically acting cool, and went on to say "ur a hasty one" the next hassedan DIDNT pierce through the sand shield either. and again you are forgetting, the gaara who stopped the explosions was a gaaras AFTER TIME SKIP! why do u simply reply to the part of the post which seems simplest to you and not reply to the wrest and leave it?



dealt with. kishimoto is not that stupid. look up.



let me ask u, where do u get the "he clearly didnt have time to create a wing" argument. it definately wasnt hinted on panel. rent u just making that up to support ur argument?
as far as the technique went, he FINISHED it afteward by producing all the snakes. and they do not at ALL resemble a wing, they are going all over the place. the hands which acted as wings, had membranes in between fingers spread out and FLAPPED when flying. plus they were stated on panel as GOD DAMN WINGS! not present for the snakes. he was merely jumping and using body flicker.



did i say i thought it was SENSIBLE that a ninja cud move at lightspeed?? no i said it was PIS but if u wanna look at high end bleach feats then also look at high end naruto feats. again, ur missing a great part of the originally posted material. im not willing to accept anything that isnt hinted upon or stated on panel. i have no problem beleiving it COULD happen in a magical world. it just DIDNT.



ahan, and he is stated on panel to be gliding/flying with those wings. no such thing for sasuke. besides, his web actually RESEMBLE wings, sasuke's snakes do not.



can means nothing if it wasnt stated or hinted on panel. it wasnt.



in general maybe. not naruto. place manga and anime side by side and see. it is mostly cannon in non filler episodes{pre chippuden} as far as the manga is their for context.



hmmm, if it didnt pierce the chakra field, then how was it able to exert force enough to bash him into the ground. his hand certainly wasnt hlding it off in the beginning as all his limbs can be seen. srry u dont have an argument. pierced =/= impale.



read above. ur wrong.

no, u have been posting incomplete scans. wrong interpretation of your OWN scans, partial repliues to segmented parts of my post while ignoring the rest, and circular argumentation.

oh n btw, im not the person whos putting cnjecture over on panel evidence and attributing the brain power of a six year old to kishimoto.guess im not so ignorant.



right, because the mountain of evidence already given isnt enough for you to work on with your next devious refusal? puhlease

no, u started off by your futile attempts at personal insults and gave your THOUGHTS{hardly qualifying as higher mental processes} on the subject with no evidence whatsoever simply to antagonise against my viewpoint and vex me. the wrest of it is the same baby bawling thats always been bawling.



Because I like pointing a finger at the thread dunce and telling everybody else about it. Is it personal? Nope. I do that with every fanboy that I know are wrong. =)

So, yeah. Whitey wins, phailure. You can keep posting fabricated crap, but that's how it ends. Whitey freezes Oro, chops up the icicle, calls it a day. All that crap about "So and so can't be frozen" = not true, because it's never been displayed.

lol, u like pointing your finger at people with no apparent ulterior motivation or reason? well then psychologically, that is defined as being personal lost soul. and really, have you noticed how for the greater part even the people u seem to be supporting to try n get at me dont reply to u? .
as for the second paragraph, "WAKE UP HARUHI! wet dream's over boy"

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, u started off by your futile attempts at personal insults and gave your THOUGHTS{hardly qualifying as higher mental processes} on the subject with no evidence whatsoever simply to antagonise against my viewpoint and vex me. the wrest of it is the same baby bawling thats always been bawling.


Wrong. I started the thread with my input. You came in with your usual "Naruto character curbstomps Bleach character" I told the truth - that you bullshit your argument because NOTHING you saw is true and because canon DISPROVES everything you say. It's one thing to insult you, it's completely another to call you out on it.



Because I like pointing a finger at the thread dunce and telling everybody else about it. Is it personal? Nope. I do that with every fanboy that I know are wrong. =)

So, yeah. Whitey wins, phailure. You can keep posting fabricated crap, but that's how it ends. Whitey freezes Oro, chops up the icicle, calls it a day. All that crap about "So and so can't be frozen" = not true, because it's never been displayed.

lol, u like pointing your finger at people with no apparent ulterior motivation or reason? well then psychologically, that is defined as being personal lost soul. and really, have you noticed how for the greater part even the people u seem to be supporting to try n get at me dont reply to u? .
as for the second paragraph, "WAKE UP HARUHI! wet dream's over boy"

I told you my ulterior motive and/or reason. It's that I enjoy calling out wankers like you, because I know everything you say is full of crap. Need somebody to support me? Not even. Everybody here knows how full of crap your arguments are. They've called you out on it.

What's amazing here is that you STILL continually post, despite the NUMEROUS times you've been proven wrong by actual canon material. Here's an important tip : When you're caught in a lie, it doesn't mean you should try harder to cover it up!

So, yeah. You phail. Keep posting, though! I enjoy picking on you. =D

Haku moving at light speed is bullshit. Are we to believe now, that Sasuke's flame jutsu can move at that speed, too, since it tagged Haku during his attack?

Yeah, right. Not only is that not stated in the manga, it's not mentioned in the anime, but rather a dub. And relying on a dub gets you nowhere.

Last post for me here, Haku was getting slower and slower as Sasuke used fire jutsu's because the hotter the air is, the more friction there is, thus slowing Haku down more and more

I'm not debating Accel so forget it, but how have proven yourself wrong with that link. Also why is it that the needles comes from all dicrections at the same time, if what you say is true?

as i said, you haven't disproved anything, you are using loose wording by a translator as evidence, which is a arguement so weak it's laughable.

So, apparently the heat affected him so much that he went from light speed to a speed able to be tagged by slow moving flames? Right..

Attacking from several directions at once is not a show of light speed, either. In the Naruto-verse, that type of speed is expected. And the nature of the jutsu plays a large part of it as well.

And, if you're going to believe one form of translation, how about one that's translating the manga, and not the anime, in which case, the dubbing is clearly wrong, as I can understand Japanese enough to know that Haku never stated he was moving at light speed.

lol. ENMA was unconfident? please. sarutobi was unconfident enma clearly was not. he was infact egging sarutobi on and quite hostile against urochimaru. and you have ur analysis wrong. statements like "urochimaru is stronger than diedara" have not also been proven one way or the other. but since the STATEMENT WAS MADE, and it WASNT DISPROVEN, in the manga therefore it is taken as proof.



ahan, and but that statement wasnt disproven, which means he wasnt proven to be underestimating. and enma is a character who is hostile, confident and definately not EMO. he was never shown to be underestimating his self. and you commit a fallacy by using circular argumentation by first saying that enma was understimating himself, and characters can underestimate themselves in naruto because enma underestimates himself{unproven assumption}.




there are no ACTIONS, but there is the style of the anime where characters do not cry out on minor bruises. and ur showing ur weak position by bringing back old and answeered statements. the blade was knocked out because uro wasnt paying attention.



writing a character who says a significant thing reguarding uro's power and then{according to you} is disproven in the same fight is stupid. it doesnt help either that the said character is probably one of the most non emo, non cautious, and positively furious characters there is who doesnt once show self underestimation in the fight.




oooo, nice comeback. . come back and debate when u have a reply




lol. the other hokages were kicking his ass, as was uro. there is a reason he HAD to use shiki fuujin, that was because he CUDNT beat the opposition without killing himself. hmmm, seems like your entire argument collapses seeing as he used a suicidal jutsu.



true. but as always, writers do not show off the character's best moves until the final fight. they were both on the EDGE of murderous territory. but neither meant to kill each other, this can be seen by the fact that both naruto and sasuke try to hold back once they have activated their chidori and raasengan but can not, and thats when kakashi steps in. also, compare their fight at the valley of the end vs the roof, NO comparison, it was one of their weakest instances.

as for the second part, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! i gave you direct evidence which refuted ur premise to ridicule sasuke based on the fact that he was being bested by naruto. i clearly stated how u were missing the fact that naruto was doing that when he had kyuubi chakra and the air friction around him was burning entire logs to cinders in tenths of a second before they touched him etc etc. and u forgot all about that ad posted sumthing pointless. seems to be a habit, selecting the things u wanna reply to and forgetting the rest and replying with sumthing completely pointless to make it look like the query as been answered.



untrue, he also has concious control over it, he just can ot stop it from protecting him just before his skin. he LET those haasendan fall in after letting them rotate. this is further proven by the fact that the next ones did not get IN. also. your selectively replying again and cementing it with your usual blend of rudeness. why have u not taken into account that it is POST SHIPPUDEN after timeskip and the fact that gaara is kazekage and the fact that the construct which protected the village was NOT protecting him against the c-3. and how can u say he hasnr trained, when infact every shinobi trains, and he was stronger post time skip and he was kazekage, and three years had passed. EVERY one in naruto got much stronger post timeskip.



pointless argument. they have nnothing to do with naruto, and all manga are different. you are not replying to the argument posted.



1. , come back when u actually have a counterargument
2. those snakes looked nothing liked wings. they appeared before he went up there and were specifically used for grappling, his instant movement and flickers mean body flicker{never really stated in naruto. ud know if u read the manga. characters used body flciker but it is never stated on panel. it is understood} . as for the jump, dealt with.
3. you are lying sasuke is NEVER shown to be flying there. again, i challenge you to produce on panel evidence.
4. he transformed to gain a strength/speed/durability advantage. his wings give him the ability to move faster than he can run and they can easily help him move LATERALLY in the air without any other force mid air. however, the most significant thing is that the wings act like shields which was very useful against the explosion, lol, that is why he LOST his wing in the first place that u like to quote so much.
5. conjecture, no history and contrary evidence.
6.only he produced snakes to grapple which looked nothing like wings nor was he said tp be flying as he was before on panel. on top of it he used body flicker as seen from the speed. on top of that, he wudnt have HAD to grapple if the snakes acted like wings, as he wudv just flownb sideways.



lol, again u intentionally dont reply to the point made. it first proven in the MANGA, then in the anime. what you say is simply a lie.



first he was stabbed{otherwise he wundt be pushed back dumass} and slammed into the ground but not impaled{the chakra resisted it from otherwise impaling}, then uro makes the statement seeing the fact that he wasnt impaled. and right in the next scan{chronologically simultaneous} the chakra on naruto's hand pushes the blade back meaning the uro was also saying that referring to his chakra's resistance.

i have proven he was moving at lightspeed. ur defence against me and other posters here on this point is LAUGHABLE. trying to rationalise that kishimoto is intodicing the term{sped of reflection} when it doesnt refer to light{which is the speed at which images are reflected} and infact refers to sum completely unknown estimate of unmeasured speed of HAKU'S REFLECTION which sumhow is different from any normal reflection. lol, why wudnt he just say the mirrors were portals or sumthing then. why mirrors and why reflection then? ur wrong here and are trying desperately to rationalise idiotic viewpoints. no1 who reads naruto thinks so, the anime people dont think so, the manga doesnt think so, and heck even wiki doesnt think so. and if u knew enough about the series ud know, that other than non fillers, kishimoto officially said that the anime gives a wider template and shows thinggs which cant be shown in the manga due to page confines and that the fights of temari vs ten ten etc extra in the manga are cannon.



incomplete scans were used before to support viewpoints. then u gave the scan but missed out on the last one where the kusanagi actually comes out and makes contact with 4 tails. and when given. u went on to deny that it was having any affect on naruto whne he was pushed back a mile or so and smashed into the ground.



now was that the same feat where the blade puched him back when his hands and legs werent touching it and smashed him into the gound???



lol. u have enough to work with as it is. since your a person who does not understand how cannon non filler pre shippuden manga is officially by kishimoto's mouth. i will refrain from tearing u apart.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i have proven he was moving at lightspeed. ur defence against me and other posters here on this point is LAUGHABLE. trying to rationalise that kishimoto is intodicing the term{sped of reflection} when it doesnt refer to light{which is the speed at which images are reflected} and infact refers to sum completely unknown estimate of unmeasured speed of HAKU'S REFLECTION which sumhow is different from any normal reflection. lol, why wudnt he just say the mirrors were portals or sumthing then. why mirrors and why reflection then? ur wrong here and are trying desperately to rationalise idiotic viewpoints. no1 who reads naruto thinks so, the anime people dont think so, the manga doesnt think so, and heck even wiki doesnt think so. and if u knew enough about the series ud know, that other than non fillers, kishimoto officially said that the anime gives a wider template and shows thinggs which cant be shown in the manga due to page confines and that the fights of temari vs ten ten etc extra in the manga are cannon.


So, the original MANGA doesn't say he's moving at light speed. The original ANIME doesn't say he's moving at light speed. The only thing that actually makes such an asinine comment is an anime dub. You're going by that? And again, that's not even mentioning how he was tagged numerously by other people who weren't light speed? God, you fail. Once again, the actual work contradicts your retarded statements. Both in feat and what's stated.

Phailure. btw, welcome back. I was getting bored without getting a good laugh at all the random shit you spew.

lmao, did that feal good haruhi? i mean i know people say the wierdest most intimate crap when they jerk off but from here it looks like your positively screaming your most intimate hopes and DREAMS as you try to releive yourself of all the bitterness that you feal towards the people who owned you. {forgot to mention your silly perception of integrity here is a delusion}

really, no worries, your secret is safe with me. honestly, how can it not, be? seeing as youve made ZERO points and hide behind other significantly more able posters simply to get a chance to flame the ones whose hatred gets u off.

i suppose it is futile to tell you that your not doing yourself any favours by opening your mouth here.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, did that feal good haruhi? i mean i know people say the wierdest most intimate crap when they jerk off but from here it looks like your positively screaming your most intimate hopes and DREAMS as you try to releive yourself of all the bitterness that you feal towards the people who owned you. {forgot to mention your silly perception of integrity here is a delusion}

really, no worries, your secret is safe with me. honestly, how can it not, be? seeing as youve made ZERO points and hide behind other significantly more able posters simply to get a chance to flame the ones whose hatred gets u off.

i suppose it is futile to tell you that your not doing yourself any favours by opening your mouth here.

You know you've lost an argument when you have to return to juvenile remarks like "jerk off." =(

Okay, since you're asking me to be serious here, I'll humour you. What is the point of your posting here? Because, whether or not I stated it, everything you spew has been disproven by actual manga content. Sometimes I get the feeling that you're trying so hard to read between the lines that you actually neglect reading the lines that are there. That's a pretty ignorant thing to do.

Haku moving at the speed of light? Bullshit, again. It's nice to know you didn't counter my argument against that.. Seeing as you have none. I'll ask you again. PROVE to me that he was moving at that speed. Don't try to "rationalize" it. Give me actual proof that he did it. Not what he said in a dub (btw, that's lame) but a trait that shows him moving at that speed. Because, when the original manga says so, the original anime says so, and events happen that naturally disprove such an asinine statement, I tend to think he can't do it. But again, please elaborate. Or are you just going to try to ***** out and resort to 12 year old insults again?