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This battle takes place in Metropolis....

Both of these characters are fighting smart.




Who wins?

Cuz you stole my FLKDJFOSDIUFGSDGOHSDOGIH You!!!!

Well it got me wondering...

I mean these are 2 of the most versatile characters in comics, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well it got me wondering...

I mean these are 2 of the most versatile characters in comics, imo.
Put them on a team and have them fight Silver Surfer and Absorbing Man. Now that is fight.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well it got me wondering...

I mean these are 2 of the most versatile characters in comics, imo.
Pisshhhh, GL

It's a tie as for this thread. Either could kill the other.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's a tie as for this thread. Either could kill the other. How?

Originally posted by Priest
Pisshhhh, GL Firestorm can do things a GL cannot. So can Metamorpho.

Originally posted by Galan007
How?

Metamorpho can turn into a silent unseen poison and Firestorm would be dead by the time he realized it. Or Firestorm could turn Metamorpho into inertron. And he'd be inert and useless. Unable to break the bonds. Effectively, dead.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Metamorpho can turn into a silent unseen poison and Firestorm would be dead by the time he realized it. A poison that FS can't see? Unlikely. srsly

FS see's the atomic structure of his surroundings, in much the same way that Neo views codes in 'The Matrix'.

This battle... is ridiculously close.

5/10 to each, I'd say.

Originally posted by batdude123
This battle... is ridiculously close.

5/10 to each, I'd say. I agree that it's pretty close.

The only edges FS may have are speed, and the potential to BFR Meta.


srug

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Firestorm can do things a GL cannot. So can Metamorpho.
Like what?

And how does that make him more versatile?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well it got me wondering...

I mean these are 2 of the most versatile characters in comics, imo.

Originally posted by Priest
Pisshhhh, Hulk

durhuc

Does Metamorpho have the upgraded abilities of Shift since he re-absorbed him?

Originally posted by Validus
Like what?

And how does that make him more versatile?

dont' member any gl's teleporting, going intangible, firing nuclear energy ect. Not that they can't, just never seen it. He can make constructs like them from what I'm seeing. And probably do more as he is fleshed out as a character. I remember a firestorm curing someone of cancer as well. Fuse with other beings. Didn't say he was more versatile either. I just said he could do things they couldn't.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Firestorm can do things a GL cannot. So can Metamorpho.
a GL can do MUCH more than Firestrom can not do.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
dont' member any gl's teleporting, going intangible, firing nuclear energy ect. Not that they can't, just never seen it. He can make constructs like them from what I'm seeing. And probably do more as he is fleshed out as a character. I remember a firestorm curing someone of cancer as well. Fuse with other beings. Didn't say he was more versatile either. I just said he could do things they couldn't.
You realize you didn't name anything GL couldn't do, yes?

Originally posted by Validus
You realize you didn't name anything GL couldn't do, yes?

I haven't seen them do them. show me.

*raises hand*

I've seen Green Lanterns firing nuclear energies, healing people, and going intangible.

Not sure about the teleporting off the top of my head - but they hardly need to, they're some of the fastest fliers in comics.

Originally posted by Soljer
*raises hand*

I've seen Green Lanterns firing nuclear energies, healing people, and going intangible.

Not sure about the teleporting off the top of my head - but they hardly need to, they're some of the fastest fliers in comics.

Has any GL made something out of nothing? Frozen someone solid? Ect? Just wanting to know. I know they can do anything they can think of, have they thought of it?

Originally posted by Soljer
*raises hand*

I've seen Green Lanterns firing nuclear energies, healing people, and going intangible.

Not sure about the teleporting off the top of my head - but they hardly need to, they're some of the fastest fliers in comics.
I've seen Kyle teleport other people. Logic says he can do it to himself.

Originally posted by Validus
I've seen Kyle teleport other people. Logic says he can do it to himself.

I've seen Wonder Woman Heal herself and animals. Does Logic say she can do this to people?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has any GL made something out of nothing? Frozen someone solid? Ect? Just wanting to know. I know they can do anything they can think of, have they thought of it?
Are you arguing just for the sake of it?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I've seen Wonder Woman Heal herself and animals. Does Logic say she can do this to people?
It would if she had a power ring.

Originally posted by Validus
Are you arguing just for the sake of it?

No. I made a statement saying firestorm could do things the Gl's could not. Based upon what I've seen them do. How that translated to me saying he was more versatile I don't know. So when pushed, I had to start naming things I have seen him do that I hadn't seen them do. Gday.

Originally posted by Priest
Hulk can do MUCH more than Firestrom can not do.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
dont' hulk's teleporting, going intangible, firing nuclear energy ect. Not that he can't, just never seen it. He can make constructs like them from what I'm seeing. And probably do more as he is fleshed out as a character. I remember a firestorm curing someone of cancer as well. Fuse with other beings. Didn't say he was more versatile either. I just said he could do things he couldn't.

Originally posted by Validus
You realize you didn't name anything Hulk couldn't do, yes?

Originally posted by Soljer
*raises hand*

I've seen Hulk firing nuclear energies, healing people, and going intangible.

Not sure about the teleporting off the top of my head - but he's hardly need to, he's some of the fastest fliers in comics.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has Hulk made something out of nothing? Frozen someone solid? Ect? Just wanting to know. I know he can do anything he can think of, have he thought of it?

Originally posted by Validus
I've seen Hulk teleport other people. Logic says he can do it to himself.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I've seen Wonder Woman Heal herself and animals. Does Logic say she can do this to people?

Originally posted by Validus
It would if she had unlimited strength

durhuc

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. I made a statement saying firestorm could do things the Gl's could not. Based upon what I've seen them do. How that translated to me saying he was more versatile I don't know. So when pushed, I had to start naming things I have seen him do that I hadn't seen them do. Gday.
Why are you so defensive?

I'm just asking why you acknowledge that GL can do "anything" yet insist on asking whether he can do simple things such as teleport and freeze people. It's akin to acknowledging that Superman is Class 100 yet wondering if he can lift a school bus.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has any GL made something out of nothing? Frozen someone solid? Ect? Just wanting to know. I know they can do anything they can think of, have they thought of it?

Made something out of nothing - Oblivion, and half a dozen imaginary green lanterns for starters.

Frozen someone solid - I've seen them freeze someone in time, I dunno if they've used actual temperature to do it, but I don't doubt it.

Meh,

GL's can do most of the things FS/Meta can -- They just don't accomplish said tasks quite as often.

Originally posted by Soljer
Made something out of nothing - Oblivion, and half a dozen imaginary green lanterns for starters.

Frozen someone solid - I've seen them freeze someone in time, I dunno if they've used actual temperature to do it, but I don't doubt it. Oblvion comes from the mind of a GL unlike any other. who was fused with another type of power.

Originally posted by Validus
Why are you so defensive?

I'm just asking why you acknowledge that GL can do "anything" yet insist on asking whether he can do simple things such as teleport and freeze people. It's akin to acknowledging that Superman is Class 100 yet wondering if he can lift a school bus.

Let me ask you a question, Can a GL transmute as well as firestorm?

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,

GL's can do most of the things FS/Meta can -- They just don't accomplish said tasks quite as often.

Agreed. I can think of very little that Firestorm can do that an experienced green lantern couldn't or hasn't. They just don't do the exotic as often.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let me ask you a question, Can a GL transmute as well as firestorm?
Can Superman lift a school bus?

Originally posted by Validus
I've seen Kyle teleport other people. Logic says he can do it to himself.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/101bed38.jpg

You sir owe me a nickel.

Always wanted to say that.

Originally posted by Validus
Can Superman lift a school bus?

How big is the school bus?

Originally posted by Soljer
How big is the school bus?
Average size. Fits about 70 5th graders and a couple of chaperons.

Originally posted by Validus
Average size. Fits about 70 5th graders and a couple of chaperons.

How big are the kids and chaperons?

Originally posted by Switch 07
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/101bed38.jpg

You sir owe me a nickel.

Always wanted to say that.
That looks like Hal....ermm

Originally posted by Switch 07
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/101bed38.jpg

You sir owe me a nickel.

Always wanted to say that.

we alreadyknew a gl could teleport other people.

Originally posted by Soljer
How big are the kids and chaperons?
Let's say 90% of the kids are totally average. About 70-80lbs. The other 10% are of the jolly variety. 110-130lbs. Female chaperon is about 125lbs. The male is 180. Bus driver is 230.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
we alreadyknew a gl could teleport other people. It was suppose to be to you. lol

So I showed you.

Originally posted by Validus
Let's say 90% of the kids are totally average. About 70-80lbs. The other 10% are of the jolly variety. 110-130lbs. Female chaperon is about 125lbs. The male is 180. Bus driver is 230.

What's the bus made out of?

Originally posted by Soljer
What's the bus made out of?
Steel. We want our children to be safe after all.

Hmm...

Well, assuming there is no excess cargo (because anything dense enough to add the required weight would also destroy the steel), then, I have determined that yes, Superman probably WOULD be capable of lifting said school bus.

However.....

Scans, or it didn't happen. .

Unfortunately, I don't imagine it'd be too difficult to find Superman saving a school bus full of kids. .

Originally posted by Soljer
Hmm...

Well, assuming there is no excess cargo (because anything dense enough to add the required weight would also destroy the steel), then, I have determined that yes, Superman probably WOULD be capable of lifting said school bus.

However.....

Scans, or it didn't happen. .

Unfortunately, I don't imagine it'd be too difficult to find Superman saving a school bus full of kids. .
Supeman has saved a bus full of kids. A couple of times.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Supeman has saved a bus full of kids. A couple of times.

Exactly. Hence my final sentence.

In the Firestorm vs Metamorpho battle, I'd have to
say that Firestorm would probably win this one eventually.
Because of the inertron argument.

Originally posted by Sirius77
In the Firestorm vs Metamorpho battle, I'd have to
say that Firestorm would probably win this one eventually.
Because of the inertron argument.

No one cares about those B-Listers.

The topic's been changed to the capabilities of Green Lanterns, and Superman's (in)ability to lift a school bus.

Originally posted by Soljer
No one cares about those B-Listers.

The topic's been changed to the capabilities of Green Lanterns, and Superman's (in)ability to lift a school bus.

LOL. I like B listers in comics better. the A listers tend to get over exposed and become fanboy machines.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL. I like B listers in comics better. the A listers tend to get over exposed and become fanboy machines.
Your favorite character is Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Validus
Your favorite character is Wonder Woman.

Exactly.

Somewhere between a D and G lister.

Originally posted by Validus
Your favorite character is Wonder Woman.

She isn't an A lister. She' like a B+ lister.

Originally posted by Soljer
Exactly.

Somewhere between a D and G lister.
EFU

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She isn't an A lister. She' like a B+ lister.
That depends of how you define A list. If you keep it super exclusive, theres only about 6 or 7 A list comic characters.

Originally posted by Validus
That depends of how you define A list. If you keep it super exclusive, theres only about 6 or 7 A list comic characters. She's an A lister when it comes to characters recognized around the world. She is one of the most recognizable ones. But when it comes to respect by comics writers, she is sadly disrespected. They can't come up with any decent stories, or villians. And they rarely show case her abilities to thier max. That has to do alot with Superman tho. He jobbers the entire DC. The only one thing that isn't affected by his jobber is the Batkick.

What does Superman have to do with Wonder Woman stories and villains being poor in quality?

Originally posted by Validus
What does Superman have to do with Wonder Woman stories and villains being poor in quality?

Her feats are hindered by him having to have all the uber strength feats. Or his villians. Superman takes the good writers. dont' know about artist tho. Cuz his art has been pretty bad of late. I could think of 6 ways to have her have uber villians right now. DC just sucks ass when it comes to WW.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Her feats are hindered by him having to have all the uber strength feats. Or his villians. Superman takes the good writers. dont' know about artist tho. Cuz his art has been pretty bad of late. I could think of 6 ways to have her have uber villians right now. DC just sucks ass when it comes to WW.

Nah....

Wonder Woman just sucks ass when it comes to Comics.

Originally posted by Soljer
Nah....

Wonder Woman just sucks ass when it comes to Comics.

If I were plotting her, you would be hooked every month. It's really about passion for the character.

I don't know. It seems kind of silly to blame Superman for WW's lack of success. It's not as if Superman/Action are the only good comics at DC these days or even the best.

JSA and GL are kicking ass and both of them are B list.

Originally posted by Validus
I don't know. It seems kind of silly to blame Superman for WW's lack of success. It's not as if Superman/Action are the only good comics at DC these days or even the best.

JSA and GL are kicking ass and both of them are B list.

Very often, in both marvel and dc, the B-comics have a much better plot line than A-list.

Compare the Immortal Iron Fist to the crap that's being portrayed as a story in Wolverine's books.

Originally posted by Validus
I don't know. It seems kind of silly to blame Superman for WW's lack of success. It's not as if Superman/Action are the only good comics at DC these days or even the best.

JSA and GL are kicking ass and both of them are B list.
Team books are often done well at DC. Unless you count that aweful supergirl and LOS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Team books are often done well at DC. Unless you count that aweful supergirl and LOS.
JLA and Titans are kind of sucking wind right now. JSA is really all there is.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
dont' member any gl's teleporting, going intangible, firing nuclear energy ect. Not that they can't, just never seen it. He can make constructs like them from what I'm seeing. And probably do more as he is fleshed out as a character. I remember a firestorm curing someone of cancer as well. Fuse with other beings. Didn't say he was more versatile either. I just said he could do things they couldn't.

durfist

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Metamorpho can turn into a silent unseen poison and Firestorm would be dead by the time he realized it. FS doesn't need to breathe, btw.

Originally posted by Galan007
FS doesn't need to breathe, btw.

But would he stop breathing? Isn't it a normal instinct to do so?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But would he stop breathing? Isn't it a normal instinct to do so? Is he breathing when he goes into space?

Originally posted by Galan007
Is he breathing when he goes into space?
I always thought he had a shield on and just kinda auto turning what he breathes out back into oxygen. ANd that is in space. Fighting on earth is something altogether different.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I always thought he had a shield on and just kinda auto turning what he breathes out back into oxygen. ANd that is in space. Nope,

No shields.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Fighting on earth is something altogether different. Not really, .

Originally posted by Galan007
Nope,

No shields.

Not really, .

I have to see a scan that says he doesn't breathe. At any rate, he's still human. Skin contact poison for the win. Geez.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have to see a scan that says he doesn't breathe.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5237/fsbreathe1gf8.th.jpg

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Skin contact poison for the win. Geez. That's where the shields come into play.

Originally posted by Galan007
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5237/fsbreathe1gf8.th.jpg

That's where the shields come into play.

As I said, he shuts off his breathing in space or something like that. He didnt' know he didn't have to breathe until he entered space conciously. Breathing is a subconcious thing learned over a life time. Why would he stop breathing in earth's atmosphere?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As I said, he shuts off his breathing in space or something like that. He didnt' know he didn't have to breathe until he entered space conciously. Breathing is a subconcious thing learned over a life time. Why would he stop breathing in earth's atmosphere? You must not know that about 3 pages before that scan, Jason first became Firestorm.

He had no idea what he could do, which is why he was questioning himself in that instance.