Insane Vel w/ Nega bands runs the gauntlet

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Gecko4lif
1. Silver surfer
2. Stardust
3. Firestorm (current)
4. Morg WOL
5. Hyperion (supreme
6. Majestic
7. Union
8. Fallen one + Black bolt + Vulcan
9. Havok w/ nexus + Quaser
10.Solar

batdude123
Order's f*cked up.

Astner
Havoc with the Nexus had omniversal destroying potential.
Silver Surfer > Firestorm -- If I'm not mistaken

Gecko4lif
i was under the impression firestorm > surfer

Sirius77
He stops at nine.

Gecko4lif
Really? How?

Sirius77
Because Havok had omniversal power. Insane Genis didn't.
Photon... that's debatable.

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by Sirius77
Because Havok had omniversal power. Insane Genis didn't.
Photon... that's debatable.
Genuis did


Time for you to read up on genis

He> Havok

Potential Havok MIGHT force a stalemate with him but only if he learns how to control his power

Sirius77
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Genuis did


Time for you to read up on genis

He> Havok

Potential Havok MIGHT force a stalemate with him but only if he learns how to control his power

I have books one through three. Gens is not omniversal.

Gecko4lif
Insane Genis-Vell (Destroyed the 616 Universe and helped Remake it) I don't have the Insane Genis Feat, but I do have scans of Genis-Vell at FULL Potential.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg

"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg

"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3838/w32br6.th.jpg
"We must find him soon, OR...

"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/w33vb3.th.jpg

Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1253/w34cb3.th.jpg

Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7870/w35mr1.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6818/w36pd9.th.jpg

Harry Fingerman
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
i was under the impression firestorm > surfer
shocklaugh

Power16
Aren't those scan just showing him as universal, i don't recall him being omniversal in power.

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by Power16
Aren't those scan just showing him as universal, i don't recall him being omniversal in power.

omniverse = everything

Power16
Yeah but there are circumstances where it could just mean the Universe which seems to be the case here.

Gecko4lif
i accept on panel screening with super science over you

Power16
Ok, but only because you interpret the scene as so. Is there any mention of Omniverse at all during the event not just them saying everything and what about his bio does it mention anything. You show me that and i'm on your side.

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by Power16
Ok, but only because you interpret the scene as so. Is there any mention of Omniverse at all during the event not just them saying everything and what about his bio does it mention anything. You show me that and i'm on your side.

um... ok...

celestialdemon
Stops at nine. As awesome as Genis is, the power to destroy the universe is nothing compared to the power to destroy the omniverse.

Gecko4lif
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Photon_%28Genis-Vell%29

Sirius77
Genis wasn't omniversal. His actions didn't even affect
anything outside the 616 universe. He was universal.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Power16
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
um... ok...

So that's a no, Ok i'll take it and leave.

SpookySmurph
I don't think the tard has any idea what the omniverse is...

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Photon_%28Genis-Vell%29

Already posted it power >.>

Sirius77
The omniverse is everything. All Multiverses combined.

Genis did not affect anything on this scale. In the scan
provided near the end of page one, it says that Entropy and Genis succeeded in destroying the UNIVERSE. Not Multiverse. Or Omniverse
for that matter. The mere fact that Genis needed the help of high
cosmic abstract to destroy the universe makes his base power level
questionable, because even full power Odin can do that unaided...

However, Photon is different, he could possibly have been a Multiversal
threat.

Photon009
1. Well he's Surfer's superior in every way, so he gets past him.
2. Stardust is made of energy, aka he's getting dispersed and/or controlled, and therefore has no chance.
3. Firestorm? Same deal as Surfer. Genis is just flatout more powerful.
4. Morg WOL was powerful, but overrated. He didnt even take on the Surfer, and he didnt take on Firelord, Nova, Air-Walker, and Terrax at the same time either. He did it one at a time. Genis would beat him. Much smarter fighter, he'd know to keep his distance and put Morg down from afar.
5. Supreme Power Hyperion goes down quick thanks to his specific radiation weakness which Genis can easily exploit.
6. Majestic? A Superman-wannabe aint taking down Genis. Majestic had serious problems with Captain Atom, whose basically Genis-lite. Genis just keeps his distance and puts Majestic down with blasts.
7. Union? See Majestic.
8. Fallen One, Black Bolt and Vulcan vs Insane Genis would be cool to see. These 3 guys are powerhouses, but not even close to the level of Genis. Genis would make quick work of Black Bolt and Vulcan, and Fallen One seemed to have good durability, but he's gonna get owned just like he did against Thanos.
9. Havok w/ the Nexus i know nothing about to be honest. But Quasar? Quasar is getting the same treatment as Surfer, it's the "anything you can do, i can do better" scenario in Genis' favor.
10. And sadly, the last guy in the Gauntlet, Solar, i know NOTHING of.

Galan007
Originally posted by Astner
Silver Surfer > Firestorm -- If I'm not mistaken They are roughly equal.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Sirius77
The omniverse is everything. All Multiverses combined.

Genis did not affect anything on this scale.

It's true, Genis has never destroyed the Omniverse, on his own.

But Genis & Entropy did erase the Prime Multiverse,
which destroyed all of Marvel. (the Omniverse)

In Marvel, if you can destroy/erase just the 616 Reality,
the entire Omniverse collapses.
Because the 616 Reality is the foundation of the Omniverse.
The 616 Reality (Eternity/Infinity) possess the power of the Prime Multiverse aswell.

Originally posted by Sirius77
In the scan
provided near the end of page one, it says that Entropy and Genis succeeded in destroying the UNIVERSE. Not Multiverse. Or Omniverse
for that matter. The mere fact that Genis needed the help of high
cosmic abstract to destroy the universe makes his base power level
questionable,

Actually that's "The" Marvel Universe their talking about,
which = to the Omniverse.

4 cats in the history of Marvel are recognized for acoomplishing this feat:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Wanda also did it,
but Wanda never erased Marvel,
she re-created it.

I also have the On Panel evidence if anyone is interested clearly depicting
the Multiverse being erased by Genis & Entropy.

Also, it was Entropy that asked Genis for help.
And, the issue alludes to Genis doing most of the work.

Entropy re-created Marvel on his own,
slightly helped by Genis.

Originally posted by Sirius77
because even full power Odin can do that unaided...

Odin can't destory a Universe,
Odin's power is no more than Galactic.

Originally posted by Sirius77
However, Photon is different, he could possibly have been a Multiversal
threat.

Photon (Genis) and Insane Genis are exactly the same in power.

Only Photon holds back, while Insane Genis didn't.

They possess Omniversal Awareness by the way:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8932/genisqm8.th.jpg


And,

he does stop at Havok/Nexus regardless though.

Galan007
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Insane Genis-Vell (Destroyed the 616 Universe and helped Remake it) I don't have the Insane Genis Feat, but I do have scans of Genis-Vell at FULL Potential.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg

"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg

"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3838/w32br6.th.jpg
"We must find him soon, OR...

"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/w33vb3.th.jpg

Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1253/w34cb3.th.jpg

Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7870/w35mr1.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6818/w36pd9.th.jpg IIRC,

This happened in a HoM tie-in -- That wasn't all Genis.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
IIRC,

This happened in a HoM tie-in -- That wasn't all Genis.

Actually G,
it was Genis, but the only reason he was able to that,
is because Wanda accelerated his dormant potential.

That's what Genis is capable of at peak potential.
And even more really, cause what Songbird and Zemo saw in the future,
was Genis erasing the 616 Universe and all the Timelines connected to it.

"Insane" Genis, was able to let go, and reach said potential.
(This is why Entropy seeked his help in ending the Multiverse)
Which is what happens if you can erase the 616 Reality as you know.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually G,
it was Genis, but the only reason he was able to that,
is because Wanda accelerated his dormant potential.

That's what Genis is capable of at peak potential.
And even more really, cause what Songbird and Zemo saw in the future,
was Genis erasing the 616 Universe and all the Timelines connected to it.

"Insane" Genis, was able to let go, and reach said potential.
(This is why Entropy seeked his help in ending the Multiverse)
Which is what happens if you can erase the 616 Reality as you know.

How does one EVER erase the 616 with Merlyn watching over it, Roma watching over it, Havok, Brian, ect. How does one EVER erase the 616 with MJJ living there? Impossible. Must be bad writing.

Photon009
Mr. Master hit the nail on the head. Only things i have to say Mr. Master was mistaken on, and that's that Photon Genis is actually more powerful than Insane Genis. He just holds back whereas Insane Genis didnt, and on top of that Photon's CA was even more potent than Insane Genis', making him constantly distracted, struggling to keep it in check as to not go insane again. And Insane Genis is not Genis at full potential. We've seen Genis at full potential on 2 occasions: the HoM Tie-ins, and some of the last issues of Genis' last series when he Merged with his future self.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How does one EVER erase the 616 with Merlyn watching over it, Roma watching over it, Havok, Brian, ect. How does one EVER erase the 616 with MJJ living there? Impossible. Must be bad writing.

Havok doesn't watch over anything,
he simply became the embodiment of the Nexus of all realities.

Merlyn & Roma can watch, but if they can't stop what will happen,
then they can't.

MJJ? In what issue did he became a Reality guardian?

Not bad writing, just a another Marvel canon story.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Photon009
Only things i have to say Mr. Master was mistaken on, and that's that Photon Genis is actually more powerful than Insane Genis. He just holds back whereas Insane Genis didnt,

That's what I said P,
only I never saw a differnece between Insane Genis and Photon, in terms of power.

Insane Genis had the Prime Multiversal (recycler) Big Bang personaly asking Genis
for help to desrtoy all of Marvel essentially: (specifically Eternity's Totality)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6728/c10nw1.th.jpg

"Entropy at Your Service"

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2847/c11zh4.th.jpg

"I could ... use Your Help"
...............................................................................

He scores big point in my book just for that.

Originally posted by Photon009
and on top of that Photon's CA was even more potent than Insane Genis', making him constantly distracted, struggling to keep it in check as to not go insane again.

That's true in Photon's case,
but Genis never went insane just because of his Cosmic Awarness.

In fact, he went insane for a whole other reason due in part to his CA:


This is how Genis became Insane:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8734/c21fd0.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8671/c22ba5.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3010/c2us1.th.jpg

It was the fact that he could see everyting "bad" that was going to happen,
but couldn't be everywhere at once to save everyone (he wasn't omnipresent)

Then, when that alien girl who had a "divine" destiny was killed,
because he went on another mission,
that drove him over the edge.

Originally posted by Photon009
And Insane Genis is not Genis at full potential.

As close as he ever came in the then current Universe (before he died)

I mean, the cat not only assisted, but played the bigger part in erasing Marvel.
(well the Prime Multiverse to be exact,
but this lead to the rest of Marvel being erased aswell)

Originally posted by Photon009
We've seen Genis at full potential on 2 occasions: the HoM Tie-ins, and some of the last issues of Genis' last series when he Merged with his future self.

I'd say he was at the same level on all occasions.

In HOM, Wanda accelerated his currrent powerset at the time,
to the point where he was blinking the Universe in and out of existence.
(according to Zemo & Songbird in Thunderbolts #100)
That's exactly what he's supposed to be destined to do, only on a permanent basis.

The Future self you're taling about, is what Songbird & Zemno saw.
(A god indeed)
That erased every Timeline including the 616 Reality itself)

King Kandy
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Future self you're taling about, is what Songbird & Zemno saw.
(A god indeed)
That erased every Timeline including the 616 Reality itself)
He's talking about the "Odyssy" arc, where Genis went time jumping, met his son, his future self, did all kinds of things...

Photon009
Well, the fact that he saw everything going on (being omniscient) but couldnt be everywhere at once (not being omnipresent), was because of his Cosmic Awareness. So technically, yes it was his CA that drove him Insane.

Photon was basically just Insane Genis with new powers on top of his old ones. So it's pretty obvious that he has more raw power output, but he just wasnt as good with his new power, was distracted trying to tune his amped up Cosmic Awareness, and wasnt insane, so held back. So yea, Photon > Insane Genis in power, but in effectiveness they were equals because of the variables i just mentioned.

Well Photon was actually the same thing as HoM Genis i think, HoM Genis was just letting loose because he felt something wrong with the HoM universe, he knew it was "fake". So technically Photon was at full potential too. Insane Genis wasnt. Photon just wasnt so effective with it because of the variables i mentioned before. But like i said before, Photon does have more raw power output than Insane Genis. Just not as effective.

And no, the future version that Songbird and Zemo saw was actually Photon destroying the universe, not Merged Genis. As i said, Photon is full potential, not Insane Genis. Insane Genis is very close, but not quite there.

Photon: Full Potential Genis with trouble with the new power.
Merged Genis: Full Potential Genis with great knowledge of the power.
HoM Genis: Full Potential Genis with better knowledge than Photon, but not as good as Merged, but with a mindset like Post-Insane Genis, having no problem letting loose.
Post-Insane/Insane Genis: Genis close to full potential, with a no holds barred mindset.

(EDITED)

Mr Master
Originally posted by Photon009
Well, the fact that he saw everything going on (being omniscient) but couldnt be everywhere at once (not being omnipresent), was because of his Cosmic Awareness. So technically, yes it was his CA that drove him Insane.

I have to disagree.

Technically it was the death of that alien girl, a messiah type destiny awaited her,
not being able to save her,
is clearly stated on panel in the scans I just provided "drove him nuts"

But I agree, his CA played an indirect role in his insanity.

Originally posted by Photon009
Photon was basically just Insane Genis with new powers on top of his old ones. So it's pretty obvious that he has more raw power output, but he just wasnt as good with his new power, was distracted trying to tune his amped up Cosmic Awareness, and wasnt insane, so held back. So yea, Photon > Insane Genis in power, but in effectiveness they were equals because of the variables i just mentioned.

Cool, I disagree.

Imo, Photon = Insane Genis

Photon never erased all of Marvel, while Insane Genis did.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6278/g2zm0.th.jpg
"right before I (Genis) crushed him ... like this"
.............................................................................


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/791/g4kb1.th.jpg
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"
.............................................................................
The Microverse is located in a completely separate Universe from 616,
further solidifying it being the Prime Multiverse which was erased.
Which leads to it being all of Marvel itself:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Update on the first page of #6 also adds to this proof:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4827/34838822xo0.th.jpg
.............................................................................


http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6044/g5nb5.th.jpg
"You (Genis) destroy life at a Whim ... You're (Genis) not God"

Genis replies,

Of course I am ... Haven't you been paying attention to MY (Genis) acts?"
.............................................................................


Later on,

Rick Jones admits Insane Genis is comparable to "god"

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3328/c7mz4.th.jpg
.............................................................................


Originally posted by Photon009
Well, Merged Genis and HoM Genis are both canon technically, even though they arent ever used since they were totally different versions of Genis. But they were both Genis at full potential. Insane Genis wasnt.

I'm confused,
you're putting the Genis' that performed the lesser feats at full potential,
but the one that played the bigger part in destroying All of Marvel,
you say wasn't.

Oh well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Photon009
And Photon was actually closer than Insane Genis to being Genis at full potential, he just wasnt so effective with it because of the variables i mentioned before. But like i said before, Photon does have more raw power output than Insane Genis. Just not as effective.

We'll agree to disagree.

I simply never saw Photon do anything greater that Insane's feat.

Photon was seen in the Future erasing 616 and its Timelines,
this would've had the same effect that Insane had on Marvel,
in the Entropy arc.

Originally posted by Photon009
And no, the future version that Songbird and Zemo saw was actually Photon destroying the universe, not Merged Genis.

My mix up, merged Genis didn't destroy any Universe I just realized.

Originally posted by Photon009
As i said, Photon is closer to being to full potential than Insane Genis. Both are VERY close to full potential, but not quite there.

Cool, Imo, they were equals. Imo, nothing proves otherwise.

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