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The two possible outcomes of one's life in the minds of most Christians are "eternal life" and "everlasting punishment." Most denominations teach that "eternal life" will be spent in heaven. Conversely, most think that unbelievers will go to hell, a place of fire and brimstone where sinners, along with Satan and the fallen angels, will be punished for eternity. Alternately, some Christians believe that sinners will be annihilated in the fires of hell, never again to exist.

The majority of believers are confident that they understand exactly what the Bible reveals regarding heaven and hell. But is the common belief what the Scriptures truly teach about the fate of people in the afterlife? To determine what the Bible really has to say about eternal life and everlasting punishment, we will closely examine both of these concepts in this article. The Bible teaches something much different than what most people currently believe.

Let's start by looking at a couple of passages found in Matthew's Gospel:





So, we can assume that all you nasty sinners (Alliance) will spend eternity in hell burning etc whereas us nice people (Grand Moff Gav, JIA...) will have everlasting life in heaven!

Wait a second...how can an all loving God put people in pain for eternity...surely the Bible doesn't say that?!?!

The key to comprehending the biblical truth about "eternal life" and "everlasting punishment" is a proper understanding of the words translated "everlasting" and "eternal" in the Scriptures. These words are translated from various forms of the Greek adjective aionios. This adjective is derived from the Greek noun aion, which is generally translated as "ever," "forever," "evermore," or "eternity" in the New Testament. However, aion is also translated as "world" and "age" in several places. To fully understand the biblical teaching on "eternal life" and "eternal punishment," we must first comprehend what the words aionios and aion truly mean.

Dr. Marvin Vincent-


As Dr. Vincent explains, these words do not convey the concept of "eternity" or "endlessness" as we understand it. He is not the only one to hold this position; several other Greek scholars and writers have overcome theological tradition and recognized this also. The following information on the use, meaning, and origin of the word aionios comes from Greek language experts James H. Milligan and George Moulton:



Milligan and Moulton clearly state that, in contradiction to the "special meaning" which theologians seem to have found for aionios in the New Testament, this word in both common and classical Greek simply refers to an unspecified, but finite, period of time.

The idea of "eternity" or "endlessness" was not conveyed by these related Greek words until theologians assigned such meanings to them many centuries after the New Testament was written. Once we understand that aion denotes an indefinite "age" or "ages," and that aionios means "age-lasting,"

The Scriptures we will review below plainly show the true meaning of this word:



Other examples are found in, I CORINTHIANS 2:6; II CORINTHIANS 4:4; GALATIANS 1:4; I TIMOTHY 6:17 and many more.

The Scriptures conclusively prove that the Greek word aion and all its variations mean an "age" or "ages." Although an "age" can deviate in length, it is a finite period of time. It does NOT mean "endlessness."

In the New Testament, "eternal life" refers specifically to life during the AGE of the Messiah's rule over the nations of the earth. While the saints will experience this life as immortal spirit beings after being resurrected at the return of Yeshua, many others will live "eternal life" in the kingdom of God as mortal human beings. "Everlasting punishment" in "hell" is the opposite of "eternal life." Biblically, it refers to a person being executed for breaking the Law during the millennial rule of Christ and the subsequent disposal of their body in the official garbage dump of the kingdom, the Valley of Hinnom (located south of Jerusalem). The common beliefs about living "eternal life" in heaven or suffering "everlasting punishment" in hell are myths built on speculation and tradition, NOT Scripture.


Thus, in conclusion we are safe in the knowledge that we are all going to Heaven! Some will just have to go through Hell first. Anyway while to non-Christians this might not seem as that big a deal...chances are certain fundies now will be seeking my blood and immediate excommuniaction for posting this.

Oh and thanks Bryan T. Huie

HAHA Alliance.

well it just goes to show the extent to which the bible has been wrongly interpreted.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
well it just goes to show the extent to which the bible has been wrongly interpreted.

Exactly, this is why it should have been kept in the hands of the Church, people educated to understand what the bible messages actually mean in context, instead of in the hands of any tom dick and harry who can say what they want about it...i.e. JIA or the Westboro Baptist Church.

But who's to say what right interpretation is? The Catholic Fathers at one time had the Bible chained down so that the common people couldn't get it on penalty of death. That gave power to the Church and away from the common people.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav


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Sum that up..

Originally posted by debbiejo
But who's to say what right interpretation is? The Catholic Fathers at one time had the Bible chained down so that the common people couldn't get it on penalty of death. That gave power to the Church and away from the common people.

I really think that the "power to the people" philosophy is wrong and flawed with errors...saying that its never really been exercised, the same people are always in power regardless of "democracy".

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
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Sum that up..

The lines in the bible that say people will go to hell for ever are actually mistranslations of the original Greek. The Bible actually says people will go to hell for a long period of time, but not forever...they will eventually be in Heaven...this is called Purgatory!

Purgatory

No, it's a make believe place......lol

Originally posted by debbiejo
Purgatory

No, it's a make believe place......lol

You know...I could just as easily go around calling all your ideas "make believe" but I do like to show some respect...could I see a return please?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The lines in the bible that say people will go to hell for ever are actually mistranslations of the original Greek. The Bible actually says people will go to hell for a long period of time, but not forever...they will eventually be in Heaven...this is called Purgatory!
Thank you.

Since I'm a high believer in God and religion in general I don't think people go to Hell forever. I think God finds it in his heart to place bad people in hell for however long he sees fit and releases them up to heaven after their time and punishment is done. I don't know though, nor does anyone else, we'll just have to see! kbean

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Thank you.

Since I'm a high believer in God and religion in general I don't think people go to Hell forever. I think God finds it in his heart to place bad people in hell for however long he sees fit and releases them up to heaven after their time and punishment is done. I don't know though, nor does anyone else, we'll just have to see! kbean

Indeed, imagine Hell like a prison...just with no life sentence.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Indeed, imagine Hell like a prison...just with no life sentence.
Well the way I see it, God doesn't have it in his heart to keep people in Hell forever. shrug

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Thank you.

Since I'm a high believer in God and religion in general I don't think people go to Hell forever. I think God finds it in his heart to place bad people in hell for however long he sees fit and releases them up to heaven after their time and punishment is done. I don't know though, nor does anyone else, we'll just have to see! kbean

Isn't that called Purgatory? I'm a bit rusty, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Far as I can remember, God puts non believers and sinners in Purgatory until they make amends, at which point they're allowed to enter Heaven.

I'm an Atheist myself, but I do find it all rather interesting.

grand, but still. the problem with christianity is that even interpreted in the best or nicest way possible. youl find many discrepancies, contradictions, illogical things and cruelty.

so why put so much effort in making a far from imperfect thing a little better, when infact we know that their are more correct and better ways of life other than christianity?

Originally posted by Syren
Isn't that called Purgatory? I'm a bit rusty, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Far as I can remember, God puts non believers and sinners in Purgatory until they make amends, at which point they're allowed to enter Heaven.

I'm an Atheist myself, but I do find it all rather interesting.

Yes, to be elaborated by myself as a catholic. Purgatory is basically the purification of sinners before they enter heaven.

Thanks

Originally posted by Syren
Thanks

And it seems, according to scripture Hell is just purgatory its not the home of sinners for ever.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
grand, but still. the problem with christianity is that even interpreted in the best or nicest way possible. youl find many discrepancies, contradictions, illogical things and cruelty.

so why put so much effort in making a far from imperfect thing a little better, when infact we know that their are more correct and better ways of life other than christianity?
Well, the answer to that would be, if Christ is the Son of God then Christianity is the best way to live life, regardless of what man might believe...thats not stopping them from living life as they want too ofcourse.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
And it seems, according to scripture Hell is just purgatory its not the home of sinners for ever.


Well, the answer to that would be, if Christ is the Son of God then Christianity is the best way to live life, regardless of what man might believe...thats not stopping them from living life as they want too ofcourse.

IF, he is. which wud rely on the exitance of a god to begin with. and even then there is the question of whethere it is the christian god, or a singular entity or anything categoriseable in any way at all.

but wudnt the bible's failings in general logic, history, consistancy and validation and prophecy show that it isnt of divine authority?

Originally posted by Syren
Thanks
Sure thing, sweetcheeks.

Well, this is all about IF there is a God and if he is the Christian God, IF he is then we must assume that the Bible is accurate the first thing you learn about the Bible when you study it is it was written by man...inspired by God maybe, but written by men non the less.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
You know...I could just as easily go around calling all your ideas "make believe" but I do like to show some respect...could I see a return please? Okay, Pope follower.

It's not in the Bible. It was instituted by mere men at a Council. Golly, okay. I'll respect you...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Okay, Pope follower.

It's not in the Bible. It was instituted by mere men at a Council. Golly, okay. I'll respect you...

Who wrote the Bible? The Church did, it's just one very large Papal Bull really. (I don't really think the Pope's infallible.) So the infallible Church wrote the infallible book...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Who wrote the Bible? The Church did, it's just one very large Papal Bull really. (I don't really think the Pope's infallible.) So the infallible Church wrote the infallible book... I agree.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I agree.

I think this Vatican Press Release solves our troubles!

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I think this Vatican Press Release solves our troubles!

Must be where Guido got his teachings........He's way cooler...lol

Ghostbusters?

is that from casper?

Thats it! Casper, he leaves the house with his head back to front.

Originally posted by debbiejo
HAHA Alliance.

what?

Originally posted by Alliance
what?

You were mentioned as a sinner in the opening post...a joke though ...just I couldn't say Shaky as hes a Buddhist....Debbiejo's a girl...DevilKings homosexual...nah, your the only Straight White Male I could think of.

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
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Sum that up..

This isn't the OTF. Begone if you have nothing to contribute.

Originally posted by Critic
This isn't the OTF. Begone if you have nothing to contribute.
Thanks.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
You were mentioned as a sinner in the opening post...a joke though ...just I couldn't say Shaky as hes a Buddhist....Debbiejo's a girl...DevilKings homosexual...nah, your the only Straight White Male I could think of.

DON'T CATEGORIZE ME!!!



I just said TLDR and went to the next post.

Originally posted by Alliance
DON'T CATEGORIZE ME!!!



I just said TLDR and went to the next post.

In short, the idea that people go to hell for ever is wrong- Biblically anyway as the word translated as eternity only means, for a very long time. It will upset certain fundies.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I really think that the "power to the people" philosophy is wrong and flawed with errors...saying that its never really been exercised, the same people are always in power regardless of "democracy".

Are you serious?

Well, considering they haven't figured out yet that Moses parted the "Sea of Reeds" and not the "Red Sea," you really expect them to get the concept of hell right?

Originally posted by Devil King
Are you serious?

Perhaps

I'm just a cynic...

Originally posted by Alliance
Well, considering they haven't figured out yet that Moses parted the "Sea of Reeds" and not the "Red Sea," you really expect them to get the concept of hell right?

Exodus is allegorical.

Originally posted by Critic
This isn't the OTF. Begone if you have nothing to contribute.
Read the rest of the posts of the first page before you consider someone not to have anything to contribute. He nicely did as I said anyway, so back off.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Perhaps

I'm just a cynic...

There's nothing cynical about that perspective, if you think about it.

Well, considering how "democracy" has panned out...your correct.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Exodus is allegorical. Thats debateable, but it would be an incorrectly translated allegory nonetheless.

Originally posted by Alliance
Thats debatable, but it would be an incorrectly translated allegory nonetheless.

It certainly is debatable...but my response to that is this...

According to Christian Mythology (So we're assuming that it's all true):

The Son was the spirit that spoke throughout the Old Testament not The Father, as when the Son became Man (Jesus) he declared that noone has seen nor heard The Father, but they have heard him from the dawn of time. Now, if we look at Jesus in his ministry he taught via stories and parables...so why would he not teach in parables in the Old Testament? Why the change?

Sadly, I'm still working on that so dont have allot of depth, but I think it has substance...Cardinal O'Brien seems to agree with this theory.

Oh and there is debate still over whether it is Sea of Reeds or Red Sea...

Originally posted by debbiejo
HAHA Alliance.

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The Son was the spirit that spoke throughout the Old Testament not The Father, as when the Son became Man (Jesus) he declared that noone has seen nor heard The Father, but they have heard him from the dawn of time. Now, if we look at Jesus in his ministry he taught via stories and parables...so why would he not teach in parables in the Old Testament? Why the change?

because half is mean to tbe a history and the other half the foundation for a cult.

Originally posted by Alliance
because half is mean to tbe a history and the other half the foundation for a cult.

ill take whatever i get. but eternal is a lil much dont ya think. if hell exists there should be levels of punishment. not a one size fits all kinda thing

Originally posted by chickenlover98
ill take whatever i get. but eternal is a lil much dont ya think. if hell exists there should be levels of punishment. not a one size fits all kinda thing

Tell you what, you go read up on Christian Mythology then come back and make statements like that...I recommend Dante to start with...

No, not that!

Originally posted by debbiejo
No, not that!

Do you know how many Popes are in hell according to the Divine Comedy?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Tell you what, you go read up on Christian Mythology then come back and make statements like that...I recommend Dante to start with...

Problem with that is, most anyone who reads up on Christian Mythology in any depth returns as a non-Christian.

...not that that's a problem with Alliance though...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Problem with that is, most anyone who reads up on Christian Mythology in any depth returns as a non-Christian.

...not that that's a problem with Alliance though...

Nor me

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...not that that's a problem with Alliance though...

Whys?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, considering how "democracy" has panned out...your correct.

I'm just saying that there's something inherently untrustyworthy about the concept that there are some things the average guy shouldn't know about god, himself. The idea that there are some in the world who are smart enough (or delusional enough) to know something that the rest of the world just shouldn't, because it might get misunderstood, is what's wrong with religion.

Originally posted by Devil King
I'm just saying that there's something inherently untrustyworthy about the concept that there are some things the average guy shouldn't know about god, himself. The idea that there are some in the world who are smart enough (or delusional enough) to know something that the rest of the world just shouldn't, because it might get misunderstood, is what's wrong with religion.

No no no,

Everyone should have the right to know everything there is to know about God, however, these "facts" about God should not come from every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides to read Scripture and assume to understand it, but from people who have put a large amount of study into the scripture, its meanings, its context etc etc.

For example you'd ask an expert on computers to solve a technical problem you have before the neighbor...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
No no no,

Everyone should have the right to know everything there is to know about God, however, these "facts" about God should not come from every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides to read Scripture and assume to understand it, but from people who have put a large amount of study into the scripture, its meanings, its context etc etc.

For example you'd ask an expert on computers to solve a technical problem you have before the neighbor...

And what happens when the "informed" or the "educated" are wrong too? You can't always rely on someone because they have the title of professor.

Originally posted by Devil King
And what happens when the "informed" or the "educated" are wrong too? You can't always rely on someone because they have the title of professor.

No, but are you telling me they are less reliable than Joe Blogs from down the road?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
It certainly is debatable...but my response to that is this...

According to Christian Mythology (So we're assuming that it's all true):

The Son was the spirit that spoke throughout the Old Testament not The Father, as when the Son became Man (Jesus) he declared that noone has seen nor heard The Father, but they have heard him from the dawn of time. Now, if we look at Jesus in his ministry he taught via stories and parables...so why would he not teach in parables in the Old Testament? Why the change?

Sadly, I'm still working on that so dont have allot of depth, but I think it has substance...Cardinal O'Brien seems to agree with this theory.

Oh and there is debate still over whether it is Sea of Reeds or Red Sea... That's an interesting view. It makes sense too if Jesus is the author of the Old Testament as many say that he is. Yes, why the change? I do believe the beginning book of Genesis is an allegory, especially Adam and Eve and the story of Noah.

Oh, and I would have to say that if god wanted to have a book written then god would make sure it could be understood by the common man. It is a message for man, correct?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
No, but are you telling me they are less reliable than Joe Blogs from down the road?

No, I'm saying they're just as capable of being as wrong or biased.

Joe Blogs? Is that a British thing? In America we say Joe Blow.

The Old Testament is historical because it is presented as such.

Even the flood?

Originally posted by Alliance
Whys?

Because you're already non-Christian. It was just an allusion to the mythological predecessors to Christianity, since he told you to study it. Intended as humor, and probably poorly executed.

Was I the only person who laughed when reading the title of this thread?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Ghostbusters? No, SNL....Father Guido Sarducci's


Find the Pope in the pizza......lol

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/79/79aupdate.phtml

Originally posted by Devil King
No, I'm saying they're just as capable of being as wrong or biased.

Joe Blogs? Is that a British thing? In America we say Joe Blow.

British thing.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Because you're already non-Christian. It was just an allusion to the mythological predecessors to Christianity, since he told you to study it. Intended as humor, and probably poorly executed.



i asked the chickenlubber guy too, not Allianc.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
The Old Testament is historical because it is presented as such.

Fox News is news because it is presented as news?

Okay, while I believe in Purgatory, I do not believe that all people are going to heaven. While hell (purgatory) may be very long and many people will come to the knowledge of Christ through it, not everyone there will be saved. When the second judgment comes, hell will be cast in the lake of fire with Satan and fire will destroy. Either way, it is finite, but I'm don't see support for EVERYONE getting into heaven.

Also, this is rather unorthodox for a Catholic to be supporting.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Even the flood?

There are some historical relics which mention a Great Flood which are outside of Judaism...so its either the same reused myth or a large flood did happen...

Originally posted by Nellinator
Okay, while I believe in Purgatory, I do not believe that all people are going to heaven. While hell (purgatory) may be very long and many people will come to the knowledge of Christ through it, not everyone there will be saved. When the second judgment comes, hell will be cast in the lake of fire with Satan and fire will destroy. Either way, it is finite, but I'm don't see support for EVERYONE getting into heaven.

Also, this is rather unorthodox for a Catholic to be supporting.
As the Catholic Church teaches that Christians must believe in the existence of hell, it has been the standard belief of Catholics that certain people go to hell. However, Catholics are not required to believe that anyone will actually be condemned to hell, a point which Cardinal Murphy O'Connor has reiterated in recent years: It is non-standard, but not heretical, for Catholics to believe that all souls ultimately reach heaven (if necessary after purgatory). From this viewpoint, the suffering described in Biblical passages of those condemned for their sins is interpreted as purgatory.

Thats the wikipedia explanation.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
As the Catholic Church teaches that Christians must believe in the existence of hell, it has been the standard belief of Catholics that certain people go to hell. However, Catholics are not required to believe that anyone will actually be condemned to hell, a point which Cardinal Murphy O'Connor has reiterated in recent years: It is non-standard, but not heretical, for Catholics to believe that all souls ultimately reach heaven (if necessary after purgatory). From this viewpoint, the suffering described in Biblical passages of those condemned for their sins is interpreted as purgatory.

Thats the wikipedia explanation. Definitely heterodox. Even the official doctrine leaves room for the possibility of everyone being saved though. It's a nice idea at the very least. I'm not sure how I'll feel if Hitler et al. are there though.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Definitely heterodox. Even the official doctrine leaves room for the possibility of everyone being saved though. It's a nice idea at the very least. I'm not sure how I'll feel if Hitler et al. are there though.

Have you sinned?

Of course. LOL, I see what you're doing. I get it, I always have. Leave my hypocrisy alone please.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Of course. LOL, I see what you're doing. I get it, I always have. Leave my hypocrisy alone please.

LOL. Sin.

"Eis qui sine peccato est uestrum primus in illam lapidem mittat."

Idiocy is bliss.

Yes. More literally translated, it would be: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Originally posted by Nellinator
Definitely heterodox. Even the official doctrine leaves room for the possibility of everyone being saved though. It's a nice idea at the very least. I'm not sure how I'll feel if Hitler et al. are there though.

why dont u like the idea that every1 will be saved eventually? and why do u like the idea that people will just be burnt to death and their souls will cease to be? abot hitler, do u really mean NEVER, because i do not think that any man can commit an act so horrible that it wud require eternity to pay back. any finite misery caused should have a finite punishment, {being the most harsh}, because if punishment is eternity, eventually, the person will suffer almost infinitely more than his/her supposed crime, and after all, who can comment on intentions/nurture/situational factors/percpetion in judging others. all we can really judge are actions and basic intentions. hitler wud definately deserve to be saved over time even if u are harshest.

Its not about it sounding nice its about it being clearly written in Scripture!

Originally posted by Alliance
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

Roma Locuta Est, Causa Finita Est!

*sings Cantate Domino without transcribing the entire hymn*

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Its not about it sounding nice its about it being clearly written in Scripture!

then scripture is clearly illogical. and people following it{or atleast the parts} are deluding themselves into beleiving it is true or worth following. orrrrr were u being sarcastic again{hard to tell sumtimes}

Originally posted by Alliance
*sings Cantate Domino without transcribing the entire hymn*

Darn, out done again

Well, I only know the base part.

Originally posted by Alliance
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

Ita.

"Audistis quia dictum est, 'Diliges proximum tuum et odio habebis inimicum tuum.' Ego autem dico vobis, 'Diligite inimicos uestros, benefacite his qui oderunt uos, et orate pro persequentibus et calumniantibus uos.'"

Originally posted by Melcórë
Ita.

"Audistis quia dictum est, 'Diliges proximum tuum et odio habebis inimicum tuum.' Ego autem dico vobis, 'Diligite inimicos uestros, benefacite his qui oderunt uos, et orate pro persequentibus et calumniantibus uos.'" posse comitatus.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My translator is not working.

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love thy neighbour and hate thy enemy.' But I say unto you, 'Love thy enemies, do good/bless unto those who hate/curse you, and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you.'"

Originally posted by Alliance
posse comitatus.

To a degree.

Right, we can stop now. Lets get back to the discussion.

We are discussing

....Discussion? Of what? How some are damned to Hell, but may see a respite?

Bring back the Inquisition.

LOL

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Bring back the Inquisition.

It never left, just changed a few tactics.

I think I prefer the old tactics. They were simpler. If you don't like him, burn him.

Originally posted by Alliance
It never left, just changed a few tactics. There is a lot of truth to that in a hidden sort of way.

Attention Sinners!
















































....nut sacks.












That is all.

I find this topic very interesting

Originally posted by DigiMark007
....nut sacks.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I find this topic very interesting

...well now you do.

droolio

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Thus, in conclusion we are safe in the knowledge that we are all going to Heaven! Some will just have to go through Hell first. Anyway while to non-Christians this might not seem as that big a deal...chances are certain fundies now will be seeking my blood and immediate excommuniaction for posting this.

Expect God will never allow Sin into the gates of heaven.

why?

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Expect God will never allow Sin into the gates of heaven.

According to Christian belief, god's forgiveness washes away sin.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Expect God will never allow Sin into the gates of heaven.

I've heard the philosophy from a few Christians that in the end, it is the individual who will not want to go to heaven. They will not want to be in the presence of God with their sins because they will remember everything perfectly. In other words, really it is the individual who judges themselves and damns themselves.

Again, this is just something I have heard and I am not entirely sure if it is cannon in any religion.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Expect God will never allow Sin into the gates of heaven.

Did you not read the entire post? Did I not make clear that Sin would be dealt with?

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Read the rest of the posts of the first page before you consider someone not to have anything to contribute. He nicely did as I said anyway, so back off.

Guess what, Kelly_Bean?

Originally posted by Critic
This isn't the OTF. Begone if you have nothing to contribute.

That's what.

A large part of this debate is meaningless. Because there are so many different interpretations of the bible, it does not matter what the original author meant, all that matters is how people interpret and act upon that understanding in light of the modern world. Because few believers will give up their faith when confronted with evidence supporting alternative world-views, it's better for all parties involved if religions accept that some people disagree on points of doctrine, and allow them to continue worship. An assurance in one's own religion's infallibility has been the cause of much sorrow throughout history.

the bible is meaningless

"oh no he didnt"- random black girl

OH YES HE DID.- me

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Did you not read the entire post? Did I not make clear that Sin would be dealt with? Yeah, while we're still living......Woe to them evil doers..For the lord has come down unto you. and SMITE YOU IN THE HEAD!

Good thing I'm not an evil doer.