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All of Marvel Heroes Maximum Strength levels are at 100Tons or more... even those incredibaly beyond that would only be at maybe twice that. Superman is at 3000 Tons when he was still a Teen! (See below)

Superman is the "first" hero, so out of respect, no one would ever surpass him in a battle. He would be able to lift 6000 tons by now! And this is the "depowered" version!

The peaked powered superman can push the Earth which weighs 57 trillion tons.

Originally aired: Saturday September 23, 2006 on The CW
Writer: Amy Wolfram
Director: Ben Jones
Show Stars: Michael Cornaccia (Bouncing Boy), Yuri Lowenthal (Superman), Adam Wylie (Brainiac 5), Kari Wahlgren (Saturn Girl/Triplicate Girl), Heather Hogan (Phantom Girl), Andy Milder (Lightning Lad)
Guest Stars: David Lodge (Tharok/Carnival Barker) , Jennifer Hale (Emerald Empress/Ma Kent)
Production Code: 101

In the 31st century, the Legion of Super Heroes fight a desperate battle but are knocked out one at a time. They wonder where Superman is.

In the 21st century, earlier today, Clark is testing his heat vision on the day he’s preparing to go to Metropolis to become a copy boy. Reassuring his mother, he leaves to go to the Smallville Fair, while on the highway a time bubble appears containing Bouncing Boy, Saturn Girl, and Brainiac 5.

As they proceed toward the fair, Clark resists his classmates’ taunts to win a prize, but then hears a Ferris wheel strut goes. Clark moves to support it and the Legionnaires spot him and go to help. Bouncing Boy “inflates” to provide support and Saturn Girl telepathically causes the crowd to forget what they’ve seen. As the wheel collapses, Clark helps the riders to safety. Later the Legionnaires admit they know all about him and they need him to come to the future with them. Clark flies off and they agree to give him some time, then go to the Kent house to meet him. They explain that they want him to join their Legion of Super Heroes, but Clark is skeptical and doesn’t believe their claim that he can fly. Brainiac 5 explains they’ll bring him back to the exact second he left so he won’t miss anything. He agrees and they leave in the time bubble for the future.

In the 31st century, the other Legionnaires hang up a banner welcoming Superman although Lightning Lad is unimpressed. Phantom Girl warns they need help against their opponent, the Fatal Five. The time bubble arrives but Clark doesn’t make much of an impression. Lighting Lad puts Clark through a strength test which he fails at its highest level, and Clark flies off before he hears he lifted 3,000 tons. Saturn Girl goes after Clark who is at the Superman museum where he sees historical records of his future activities as well as his costume-to-be. Saturn Girl offers to take him back, but Clark asks about the Fatal Five – the Legion put them in jail but they escaped and are back for revenge. Lightning Lad calls for Saturn Girl to join the team and Clark decides to go with them.

The assembled Legionnaires send out a call for their other members but nobody else is available. Lightning Lad warns that Clark isn’t ready to use his superpowers in battle.

The super-strong giant Validus charges down the street while the other members of the Five take out the Science Police. The Legion are ready for them but Clark super speeds off and the two sides join battle. Once by one the Legionnaires are mind controlled by the Empress’ Emerald Eye.

At the Superman Museum, Clark dresses his (overly large) costume and struggles to master his flying ability. Lightning Lad tries to resist the Eye’s mesmeric influence but gives in, and only Saturn Girl is left uncontrolled. Superman comes soaring in. He is quickly overwhelmed but refuses to give in to the Eye. Saturn Girl uses her mental powers to influence the other Legionnaires to see Clark and be inspired. Clark, meanwhile, uses his heat vision to blast the eye and send the Fatal Five flying. The Legion rally and Saturn Girl takes telepathic control of Validus to defeat his teammates. Clark goes directly against the Empress and Lightning Lad directs him to use his super-breath to freeze her. But the Empress is able to teleport herself and her teammates away.

Late in headquarters, Lightning Lad is now a big supporter of Clark and Brainiac 5 offers to take Clark home. But now Clark wants to stay, see the future, and try out his powers. The Legion gives him his belt and flight ring and make him a member, and Clark declares himself as… Superman.

All at the same time?

Thor has magical based abilities, and if i'm not mistaken, Superman is vulnerable to magic

Thor with his hands fished a giant snake that was wrapped around the planet. Supes can't beat everyone, not even in DC. There are plenty of people in Marvel who would shitstomp Supes to nothing.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Thor with his hands fished a giant snake that was wrapped around the planet. Supes can't beat everyone, not even in DC. There are plenty of people in Marvel who would shitstomp Supes to nothing.

Yup, but Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hyperion are not among their numbers.

I know, but he said ALL Marvel heros can't.

sure thor could grab a snake rapped around a planet but superman atomized a planet just by fighting over its surface he even created tears through time and space

Originally posted by shortstickman
sure thor could grab a snake rapped around a planet but superman atomized a planet just by fighting over its surface he even created tears through time and space

That 'snake' - The Midgard Serpent - has a mass equal to that of the Earth itself. Thor wasn't even wearing his belt of strength when it happened, and that DOUBLES his might.
Don't bother bringing up feats of Pre-Crisis Superman; him & his silly powers (like super-knitting & super-mathematics) are gone.
And characters like Hyperion & Gladiator ARE him. The same being - just born in different realities; deliberate analogues.

1. superman already gave thor a shitstomp
2. midgard serpeant doesnt have the same mass as the earth. it coiled around it.

if my shoelace can coil around a baseball. would it have the same mass? no. it would be impossible. same with the the over grown garden snake which its head when thor fought it was only the size of a house. go back and re read the story.

Crossovers aren't canon, wanted to point that out.

there was one fight between thor and superman that is cannon, can anyway remember which one?

its superman. He spanks any and everyone. Superman is the christ of comics

Supes would get his assed whooped against all but Hyperion in a 1 on 1 fight

Originally posted by MattDay
there was one fight between thor and superman that is cannon, can anyway remember which one? JLA/Avengers The story continued in DC and was mentioned in the avengers handbook for marvel. Both companies recognized it as canon.

I see. And Thor was stomped by Superman?

Originally posted by roughrider
That 'snake' - The Midgard Serpent - has a mass equal to that of the Earth itself. Thor wasn't even wearing his belt of strength when it happened, and that DOUBLES his might.
Don't bother bringing up feats of Pre-Crisis Superman; him & his silly powers (like super-knitting & super-mathematics) are gone.
And characters like Hyperion & Gladiator ARE him. The same being - just born in different realities; deliberate analogues. that wasnt a precrisis feat that he mentioned though

Originally posted by stickman618
Thor has magical based abilities, and if i'm not mistaken, Superman is vulnerable to magic

Supes recently pwned Arion..a high level sorcerer.

Here is my opinion:
Thor
Yes, Thor is magic. However, his speed is nowhere near enough to touch Supes. SM wins.

Hulk
HEAT VISION! Hulk is now headless

Gladiator
Gladiator has proved himself time and time again to be at the level of pre crisis Supes. Witch is way above current Superma. glads wins, if he is confident.

Hyperion
Don't know.

Heres the facts

Thor: Superior speed and strenght. He can alter reality. SB i mean SM losses
Hulk: heat vision, Hulk regenerates, and gets angrier till he is stronger than Supes...it doesnt take long for Hulk to do so so. HULK SMASH. Supes is now headless. SM losses

Gladiator: Even depressed Glads takes this. Supes dies. Supes loses

Hyperion: Supes wins against his shitty clone

Sentry: Supes gives up cos he's had enough ass whoppins form Goku, Thor and Glads, he knows he will lose to Sentry so he replaces Sentrys wife with Lois and saves himself the trouble of humiliating himself by losing to Sentry thus he ends his life. Superman loses

6000 tons! Wow!

That's almost as impressive as the weaker Gray Hulk smashing planet sized asteroids and Gladiator destroying planets!

man that's a lot of bias and false facts about boy blue, and superman has pushed the planet, work the math out, and glads is inconsistant to hell, thor lost to superman in their cannon crossover, hulk is too one dimentional to beat superman... hyperion seems an odd one, so I'll leave that as N/A.

Isnt Gladiator vulnerable to different forms of radiation?

superman on his best day could not even touch galactus. supes can take any of the above you folks mentioned. But on the other hand they can all take supes to. there are many toons in marvel that can win a battle with supes. That goes for DC to.

On Superman's best day he would break Pre-Retcon Beyonder's nose.

Yeah umm I think Im done with the vs threads in the Superman forum. Superman is unbeatable here.

hey heres one how bout superman vs onslaught.

or odin

or zeus

how bout dr strange, hell i think even the scarlet witch under the right circumstances could beat supes.

Originally posted by zeel
how bout dr strange, hell i think even the scarlet witch under the right circumstances could beat supes.

Anyone could beat anyone else "under the right circumstances"

Scarlet Witch is an Omniversal reality warper.

hmm I think He could beat Thor pretty easily, from what iv seen he aint that powweful, he coudltn handle supes, Hulk, to slow and clumsy, and i dont know who the other two are so i honestly cant say

Thor could wisk Superman out of existence.

What is wrong with the thread starter by the way? Superman would be a class 100 according to Marvel as well :/

Thor and Supes can take eachother IMO.

But as I said, on his best day, Superman taskes PR Beyonder.

Originally posted by llagrok
Thor could wisk Superman out of existence.

What is wrong with the thread starter by the way? Superman would be a class 100 according to Marvel as well :/

*ahem Superman wouldn't be class 100 according to marvel, 'cause he aint a marvel char, he is from DC. DC's powerlevels are way higher then marvel, even stated in the official crossover Avengers vs JLA.

Marvel may have an Omniverse but this Omniverse aint bigger then the DC Universe, just because both companies use the same terms doesn't mean they work the same way. Superman is supestrong, invulnerable, has heatvision etc, Galdiator too, but Superman ist still more powerful.

Superman is, according to the DC Quintessence, an Cosmic being^^.

And yes Superman would beat PR Beyonder, because Beyonder, like the IG, would be powerless in the DC universe.

BTW Batman kick > PR Beyonder

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
*ahem Superman wouldn't be class 100 according to marvel, 'cause he aint a marvel char, he is from DC. DC's powerlevels are way higher then marvel, even stated in the official crossover Avengers vs JLA.

Marvel may have an Omniverse but this Omniverse aint bigger then the DC Universe, just because both companies use the same terms doesn't mean they work the same way. Superman is supestrong, invulnerable, has heatvision etc, Galdiator too, but Superman ist still more powerful.

Superman is, according to the DC Quintessence, an Cosmic being^^.

And yes Superman would beat PR Beyonder, because Beyonder, like the IG, would be powerless in the DC universe.

BTW Batman kick > PR Beyonder

No, Superman would be a class 100+ according to Marvel, because every Marvel character, no matter how strong they are can only be classified as class 100+ when they lift in excess of 100 ton. Hence why both Hercules and Superman would both be listed as class 100+ even though they're not equally strong.

Hard to understand?

Beyonder wouldn't be powerless in DC either, that's for somewhere else.

Originally posted by llagrok
No, Superman would be a class 100+ according to Marvel, because every Marvel character, no matter how strong they are can only be classified as class 100+ when they lift in excess of 100 ton. Hence why both Hercules and Superman would both be listed as class 100+ even though they're not equally strong.

Hard to understand?

Beyonder wouldn't be powerless in DC either, that's for somewhere else.

Superman's str would be incalculable, as is the case in the Marvel Handbooks with chars that are far beyond the 100ton range.

And Beyonder would be powerless, as was the IG.

superman stomps all he is te uber.