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I have no problem with some perversion in T+ and none at all with lots in "suggested for mature readers". I recently saw a disturbing image in a What if comic where Black bolt is on his knees, a bondage collar around his neck and a leash. He has been beaten into submission. Next to him is a woman dressed as a dominatrix. She speaks to him "Speak slave", he is crying and whimpers "no". The underlying subtext that the Hulk an Alpha male has beaten the Boltagarr into submission and given him to one of his female underlings as her Biatch is obvious. The whole "Obdiance" disc situation smacks of S & M and BDSM.

What disturbing subtexts have you noticed recently in comics and do you think since the "A" code went the line in general comics is being crossed in terms of decency and morality?

Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
The underlying subtext that the Hulk an Alpha male has beaten the Boltagarr into submission and given him to one of his female underlings as her Biatch is obvious.


That's from a What if issue. Hulk is dead in that issue.
His wife who wants revenge, is the one who apparently beats BlackBolt and then forces him to speak and kill Strange and Sentry.

What do you think of this:

Emma Frosts Personal View over her attire

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3923/416452ju1.th.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/2349/classicxmen3418kn1.th.jpghttp://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3470/classicxmen3419hy4.th.jpghttp://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2404/classicxmen3420ne8.th.jpghttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1705/classicxmen3421na4.th.jpghttp://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6169/classicxmen3422uz5.th.jpghttp://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9679/classicxmen3423js3.th.jpghttp://img125.imageshack.us/img125/320/classicxmen3424ij1.th.jpg

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Emma Frosts Personal View over her attire

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9701/classicxmen3425jl9.th.jpghttp://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4305/classicxmen3426cf2.th.jpghttp://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9430/classicxmen3427vw3.th.jpghttp://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8028/classicxmen3428ch2.th.jpghttp://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2179/classicxmen3429sv8.th.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's from a What if issue. Hulk is dead in that issue.
His wife who wants revenge, is the one who apparently beats BlackBolt and then forces him to speak and kill Strange and Sentry.

What do you think of this:


Really? As I said I'd only seen the image, that makes it even more obviously kinky and much more disturbing. A dominated Black Bolt is forced to be a slave by a dominatrix.

As for Emma Frost and the hellfire club, it's always bordered on perveresion even under the "A" code. The mastermind stuff leading up to 137 was far less dodgy than that though.

Don't be a prude

Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!

Really? As I said I'd only seen the image, that makes it even more obviously kinky and much more disturbing. A dominated Black Bolt is forced to be a slave by a dominatrix.

As for Emma Frost and the hellfire club, it's always bordered on perveresion even under the "A" code. The mastermind stuff leading up to 137 was far less dodgy than that though.

If you think Caiera's costume is bad you definitely haven't seen Storms in UXM.

I think Claremont actually makes a good point about sexism in that little story though. Lots of Claremonts work has his own fetishes intertwined into it but he is a feminist by heart.

As for Caiera she's out for revenge...and I've seen worse costumes (Xavier in Bondage) so it doesn't really bother me.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If you think Caiera's costume is bad you definitely haven't seen Storms in UXM.

I think Claremont actually makes a good point about sexism in that little story though. Lots of Claremonts work has his own fetishes intertwined into it but he is a feminist by heart.

As for Caiera she's out for revenge...and I've seen worse costumes (Xavier in Bondage) so it doesn't really bother me.


I have seen storms in Ult Xmen, I've seen all of them. I think the way Blackbolt had been treated in that image was....... Very disturbing.

Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
I have seen storms in Ult Xmen, I've seen all of them. I think the way Blackbolt had been treated in that image was....... Very disturbing.

I meant UXM as in Uncanny X-Men ? And the hot pants Emma in Morrisons New X-Men?

I think it's wrong and degrading to women to show kinky images. But I can't think of any examples, so if anyone does, feel free to post degrading images here

Originally posted by willRules
I think it's wrong and degrading to women to show kinky images. But I can't think of any examples, so if anyone does, feel free to post degrading images here

It's no the degradint to either sex it's the promotion of extremely adult kinks. Like Blackbolts. You can see in that image he is now her biatch slapped poodle. Broken and Obediant, her toy and plaything to use and abuse. It's very odd in a childrens comic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/tjclarice1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/tjclarice2.jpg

I thought it was wrong in Ultimate X-Men when Rogue left the team to be with Gambit. She was like 14/15. He was like 10 years older. It never went further than a kiss, but still....
Also she slept with Iceman when she rejoined the team, which given her age, shouldn't have happened in a comic bought by young readers.

That's my thoughts on it at least srug

Originally posted by The Pict
I thought it was wrong in Ultimate X-Men when Rogue left the team to be with Gambit. She was like 14/15. He was like 10 years older. It never went further than a kiss, but still....
Also she slept with Iceman when she rejoined the team, which given her age, shouldn't have happened in a comic bought by young readers.

That's my thoughts on it at least srug


Wolverines special interest in Jubilee and Kitty was a little strange.

Originally posted by willRules
I think it's wrong and degrading to women to show kinky images. But I can't think of any examples, so if anyone does, feel free to post degrading images here Completely against killing in comics, but practically begging to be shown perversion in comics

Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
What disturbing subtexts have you noticed recently in comics and do you think since the "A" code went the line in general comics is being crossed in terms of decency and morality? Wolverine in his costume colored wife beater, and his tight pants.

Someone. Picture.

Originally posted by willRules
I think it's wrong and degrading to women to show kinky images. But I can't think of any examples, so if anyone does, feel free to post degrading images here

It's also degrading to men. Unless of course every guy you know would look like some sort of Adonis if he ran around in tight clothing.

No thanks.

HAHAHAHA That is so true. Freaking atlas's everywhere!

Originally posted by Blight
Completely against killing in comics, but practically begging to be shown perversion in comics


1) Not against the killing of fictional characters, against the killing of real people. Important difference to learn
2) Not actually for perversion in comics, this was a joke Of course with hindsight I regret making the joke because I'm now seen on these forums as a pervert, whereas before I was seen as..... well.....



shut up

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Finally...

Originally posted by willRules
I think it's wrong and degrading to women to show kinky images. But I can't think of any examples, so if anyone does, feel free to post degrading images here

you sneaky so-and-so...

Originally posted by willRules
I think it's wrong and degrading to women to show kinky images. But I can't think of any examples, so if anyone does, feel free to post degrading images here
From teen titans:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/NewTitans093-15.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/NewTitans093-16.jpg

Hey I'm morally upstanding.............

One thing i did notice though... I'd heard ed benes had been told to tone down the gratuitousness in jla, and yet, he seems to be back to his old tricks in jla 14... not that im complaining...

Originally posted by Akuki
From teen titans:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/NewTitans093-15.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/NewTitans093-16.jpg

She's an alien - that doesn't count. It's like seeing a female horse or cow naked...

Originally posted by Soljer
She's an alien - that doesn't count. It's like seeing a female horse or cow naked...

Then I guess its like saying I want to do a cow when I say I wanna do her.

Originally posted by Soljer
She's an alien - that doesn't count. It's like seeing a female horse or cow naked...



Have you seen Claremonts latest issue? Big letters and a gun barrel cover up everything.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3761/xmendbts2dcp0005is6.th.jpghttp://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2585/xmendbts2dcp0008za7.th.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak


Have you seen Claremonts latest issue? Big letters and a gun barrel cover up everything.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3761/xmendbts2dcp0005is6.th.jpghttp://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2585/xmendbts2dcp0008za7.th.jpg
My god that looks bad. The placement of the words just seems way too awkward.

Originally posted by Soljer
She's an alien - that doesn't count. It's like seeing a female horse or cow naked...

oh, well in that case:

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9640/nightwingannual0230ea9.th.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak


Have you seen Claremonts latest issue? Big letters and a gun barrel cover up everything.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3761/xmendbts2dcp0005is6.th.jpghttp://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2585/xmendbts2dcp0008za7.th.jpg

i saw that... he couldnt be any more subtle...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak


Have you seen Claremonts latest issue? Big letters and a gun barrel cover up everything.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3761/xmendbts2dcp0005is6.th.jpghttp://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2585/xmendbts2dcp0008za7.th.jpg

It was like that page after page after page too! Curse him!

Originally posted by Soljer
She's an alien - that doesn't count. It's like seeing a female horse or cow naked...

Which is a HUGE turn on to most people. Right? Right?

Strangely I see nothing wrong with those scans from JLA.

Originally posted by Akuki
From teen titans:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/NewTitans093-15.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/NewTitans093-16.jpg

Dude, I was joking

Originally posted by willRules
Dude, I was joking
I know. But still....

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's also degrading to men. Unless of course every guy you know would look like some sort of Adonis if he ran around in tight clothing.

I'm a bit concerned as to the sort of company you assume I keep

She's liek wiegh hootter in thee carton.






















































That went too far didn't it?

Originally posted by willRules
I'm a bit concerned as to the sort of company you assume I keep

I based it off your sig shifty

Originally posted by Switch 07
Strangely I see nothing wrong with those scans from JLA.

jla ones? where?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I based it off your sig shifty




You've ruined (what I thought was) my new sig for me RUINED IT!!!! cry

Originally posted by pr1983
jla ones? where?

Well wherever those blam and stuff scans are from.

Originally posted by Switch 07
Well wherever those blam and stuff scans are from.
Those are from X-Men: Die by the Sword 2

Ah. I see nothing wrong with them lol.

Originally posted by Switch 07
Ah. I see nothing wrong with them lol.

You serious?

.

I found them kinda funny, that's about it.

Originally posted by Switch 07
Ah. I see nothing wrong with them lol.

Okay how about this then :

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1229/avengersv30710203roughemp8.th.jpghttp://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4755/avengersv307104rougheron7.th.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Okay how about this then :

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1229/avengersv30710203roughemp8.th.jpghttp://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4755/avengersv307104rougheron7.th.jpg

droolio



Where was she going to go though?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Okay how about this then :

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1229/avengersv30710203roughemp8.th.jpghttp://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4755/avengersv307104rougheron7.th.jpg



I bet Hank's pretty happy that the Wasp doesn't have a sting

Originally posted by Soljer
You serious?

.

I found them kinda funny, that's about it. Very serious.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Okay how about this then :

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1229/avengersv30710203roughemp8.th.jpghttp://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4755/avengersv307104rougheron7.th.jpg I know what is happening and find it funny as f*ck.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
droolio



Where was she going to go though?



You see this?

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2668/cj4bsr3.th.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4351/cj4cnq2.th.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5384/notgoodtg5.th.jpg

"Eat your heart out, Hank Pym. When a Marvel hero slaps his wife, he becomes the Symbol of Male Evil For All Time. When a DC hero slaps his wife, she thanks him for it."

Originally posted by ExodusCloak


You see this?

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2668/cj4bsr3.th.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4351/cj4cnq2.th.jpg
"Eat your heart out, Hank Pym. When a Marvel hero slaps his wife, he becomes the Symbol of Male Evil For All Time. When a DC hero slaps his wife, she thanks him for it." I really don't know whether I should be offended with my past.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak


You see this?

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2668/cj4bsr3.th.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4351/cj4cnq2.th.jpg
"Eat your heart out, Hank Pym. When a Marvel hero slaps his wife, he becomes the Symbol of Male Evil For All Time. When a DC hero slaps his wife, she thanks him for it."

Wow. When was that?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Okay how about this then :

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1229/avengersv30710203roughemp8.th.jpghttp://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4755/avengersv307104rougheron7.th.jpg

hysterical

Originally posted by ExodusCloak


You see this?

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2668/cj4bsr3.th.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4351/cj4cnq2.th.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5384/notgoodtg5.th.jpg

"Eat your heart out, Hank Pym. When a Marvel hero slaps his wife, he becomes the Symbol of Male Evil For All Time. When a DC hero slaps his wife, she thanks him for it."

sometimes it really sucks being a hank pym fan...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wow. When was that?

The Atom & Hawkman No. #45

Originally posted by pr1983
hysterical



sometimes it really sucks being a hank pym fan...

Well at least we know why he keeps Tigra around...

Reed gets away with everything

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6905/15392467sl0.th.jpg

Originally posted by pr1983
hysterical



sometimes it really sucks being a hank pym fan... It must big time

I can never be a fan of him because of that. Know Ult Pym is kinda funny at times know it shames me.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Atom & Hawkman No. #45



Well at least we know why he keeps Tigra around...

Reed gets away with everything

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6905/15392467sl0.th.jpg

that could be taken in one of two ways...

Originally posted by Switch 07
It must big time

I can never be a fan of him because of that. Know Ult Pym is kinda funny at times know it shames me.

at least he's trying to get past it and make up for his mistakes...

and that was pretty badass what he did to save the president in initiative...

Originally posted by pr1983
that could be taken in one of two ways...



at least he's trying to get past it and make up for his mistakes...

and that was pretty badass what he did to save the president in initiative...

Originally posted by pr1983
that could be taken in one of two ways...

Has Wanda ever suffered a similar fate? I know Jean has...kind of:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2883/annxfactorv100414roughemc1.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6463/annxfactorv100415roughejy6.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1074/annxfactorv100416rougheak9.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/498/annxfactorv100418roughemh8.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9192/annxfactorv100424rougheqk6.th.jpg

Mar-Vell beat his wife to death when she was possessed...

Is this thread going to be the abuse thread?? hehe. It fascinates me to what has actually happened in comics with this. Must be the past.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Has Wanda ever suffered a similar fate? I know Jean has...kind of:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2883/annxfactorv100414roughemc1.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6463/annxfactorv100415roughejy6.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1074/annxfactorv100416rougheak9.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/498/annxfactorv100418roughemh8.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9192/annxfactorv100424rougheqk6.th.jpg

Why do you have scans of these things?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why do you have scans of these things? Co-signed.

That simple post made me laugh. The way it came of made me lol.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why do you have scans of these things?

I remember people posting this scans from way...back..used the search function to find some of them....got that Reed thing from Scoobless..the Pym thing is famous..and the Jean thing I came across on Attuma's Wikipedia.

And I thought having them all in one thread would be nice...ermm

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
And I thought having them all in one thread would be nice...ermm

Like some sort of wonderful collection of spousal abuse

Originally posted by willRules
Like some sort of wonderful collection of spousal abuse

bumped purely for the awesomeness that is hank pym...

Originally posted by pr1983
bumped purely for the awesomeness that is hank pym...

Here's to you Hank Pym:

Third Rate Hero

Second Rate Reed Richards

First Class Wife Beater

Originally posted by Newjak
Here's to you Hank Pym:

Third Rate Hero

Second Rate Reed Richards

First Class Wife Beater



take that back. uhuh

Originally posted by ExodusCloak


Have you seen Claremonts latest issue? Big letters and a gun barrel cover up everything.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3761/xmendbts2dcp0005is6.th.jpghttp://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2585/xmendbts2dcp0008za7.th.jpg

Who the hell is Iron Girl/Chun Li ?

psylocke i think...

Originally posted by pr1983
take that back. uhuh No uhuh

Originally posted by pr1983
bumped purely for the awesomeness that is hank pym...

I stand by my previous post in this thread

Originally posted by grey fox
Who the hell is Iron Girl/Chun Li ?

Alternate Rogue.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak


You see this?

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2668/cj4bsr3.th.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4351/cj4cnq2.th.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5384/notgoodtg5.th.jpg

"Eat your heart out, Hank Pym. When a Marvel hero slaps his wife, he becomes the Symbol of Male Evil For All Time. When a DC hero slaps his wife, she thanks him for it."

In retrospect, slapping Jean Loring around was probably a bad idea........shocklaugh

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Okay how about this then :

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1229/avengersv30710203roughemp8.th.jpghttp://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4755/avengersv307104rougheron7.th.jpg

teeny tiny Hank Pym going down (literally) on his wife, then crawling up between her cleavage?

Jesus. How did that get published ?

I mean, I personally really don't care about sexual content in comics, if it fits in the story/thematic/character purposes, but I'm just confused as to how on earth Marvel published that in an Avengers comic. What/when was that?

Avengers #71

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If you think Caiera's costume is bad you definitely haven't seen Storms in UXM.

I think Claremont actually makes a good point about sexism in that little story though. Lots of Claremonts work has his own fetishes intertwined into it but he is a feminist by heart.

As for Caiera she's out for revenge...and I've seen worse costumes (Xavier in Bondage) so it doesn't really bother me.

That story was actually written by former X-Men editor Ann Nocenti - backups stories running behind the X-Men reprints (Classic X-Men.) Just interesting that was a female's perspective.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak



Reed gets away with everything

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6905/15392467sl0.th.jpg

I'M TELLING NAMOR!!!

Originally posted by tjcoady
teeny tiny Hank Pym going down (literally) on his wife, then crawling up between her cleavage?

Jesus. How did that get published ?

I mean, I personally really don't care about sexual content in comics, if it fits in the story/thematic/character purposes, but I'm just confused as to how on earth Marvel published that in an Avengers comic. What/when was that?

I thought that was one of the greatest things they ever put into an Avengers comic. Novel use for Pym's powers

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Avengers #71

volume 1, 2? volume 1 would have been like, the 60s/70s...

Originally posted by Raoul
volume 1, 2? volume 1 would have been like, the 60s/70s...

It would be Vol.2
Was Kurt Busiek still on the title then? It looks a bit like George Perez artwork, but I'm not sure.

Originally posted by roughrider
It would be Vol.2
Was Kurt Busiek still on the title then? It looks a bit like George Perez artwork, but I'm not sure.

thx, i am soo finding that issue...

Originally posted by Raoul
volume 1, 2? volume 1 would have been like, the 60s/70s...

This is the cover
http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=28539&GSub=3615

Pretty sure this is the issue it was in

Originally posted by King_Mungi
This is the cover
http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=28539&GSub=3615

Pretty sure this is the issue it was in

ah, ok, net is spazzing out, but ill take your word for it...

Originally posted by roughrider
That story was actually written by former X-Men editor Ann Nocenti - backups stories running behind the X-Men reprints (Classic X-Men.) Just interesting that was a female's perspective.

Really? It was an interesting perspective and I have to say I'm inclined to agree with her. Didn't actually know a women wrote that makes the whole story even more interesting.