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Kain cannot use his Soul sealing abilities.

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If it's unfair please let me know.

its unfair tbh, kain hands illidan into casualty to humble the guy

what kain could do is use his TK to put the guy in telekinetic shackles, Kain can teleport himself to escape any of illidans major attacks or create his repel shield so that the first few attacks that hit him reflect back onto illidan, he could just cast Time reaver to slow time to a crawl and cut the guy down, with a gesture all the blood could be poured dry from illidan, kain would need some more weaknesess, he could even dimension warp and blast through Illidan slashing him into molten pieces

i suggest you take kains reaver away from him, make him fight barehanded and thats a good step against making it a slight bit fair.

noes Illidan!

illiden does have the advantage of flight, and his blades can maybe match the soul reaver, but given kains range of abilities, id give it to him

Kain, dude to the gayness cheapness of Time Reaver.

Okay the match has just been altered to make it more fair for Illidan.

Kain now only has command of his weather manipulation abilities and he can Die.

ahh "only" weather manip and he can die? hmm..i think Illidan takes it with ease then

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Kain, dude to the gayness cheapness of Time Reaver.

Time reaver is only extra good against more than one, since this is a one on one battle, kain can use his own spell to freeze a single target in time.

kain without his reaer can only control lightning...and it has been shown that illiden can take lightning blasts, so under the new rules, illi curb stomps him

Yay Illidan!

Kain without Reaver SUCKS in terms of actual combat...his spells would most likely be just annoyance to Illidan.

yes if he only has access to his elemental magic hes useless, all he can do is cast lightning, altho if it hit it could damage him greatly, it wont hit...

if you just take kains reaver away from him, hell win easily but what youve done makes it so he will have little chance

Kain is nothing without the Reaver.

hehe thought you would like to say that but ofcourse your wrong, you mean the reaver is nothing without kain, without the reaver kain can still beat pyron the same way he would with the reaver

he can still stop time, take souls etc etc.....the reaver just lets him do it to many opponents at the same time...

He doesn't beat Pyron with it either.

Why haven't you been mentioned here yet?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Killermovies_Community

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He doesn't beat Pyron with it either.

Why haven't you been mentioned here yet?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Killermovies_Community

he does

because i dont overate chracters seriously, you do....

btw who makes that page, i want on it anyway

Originally posted by Burning thought
he does

because i dont overate chracters seriously, you do....

btw who makes that page, i want on it anyway 1. Right...Mr. Kain can destroy the planet with lightning. It took me forever to convince you that his "boundless energy manipulation" is hyperbole. Everyone overrates their characters to an extant, like when I said Pyron would easily beat Sargeras, I still think Pyron wins, but not easily. Or when you said Kain was Odin level....yeah.

2. Don't know, some say Judge, but I don't think so. Read the part on me lol.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Right...Mr. Kain can destroy the planet with lightning. It took me forever to convince you that his "boundless energy manipulation" is hyperbole. Everyone overrates their characters to an extant, like when I said Pyron would easily beat Sargeras, I still think Pyron wins, but not easily. Or when you said Kain was Odin level....yeah.

2. Don't know, some say Judge, but I don't think so. Read the part on me lol.


1. he could, in a split of a second, stop time....then no second will pass, he could destroy hundreds of planets in this split second and use the souls of those dead to power the reaver for continious time control until his finished....even if it took him within his own time bubble years to do. I dont remember saying Kain was on top of Odin, if i did i was probably hyper or drunk, i simply said he could beat Odin, odin is a mortal, he would die of old age fighting Kain, or have his mortal soul ripped from him. Boundless energy manipulation, hmm, ime still not sure about that one, you would have to play the games to understand why ime unsure since the pillars have endless powers it seems over their subject or to a degree, if it is hyperbole, the power of the energy manip is grand anyway to be put under a hyperbole phrase.

2.lol yes thats quite true, Pyrons spouce

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. he could, in a split of a second, stop time....then no second will pass, he could destroy hundreds of planets in this split second and use the souls of those dead to power the reaver for continious time control until his finished....even if it took him within his own time bubble years to do. I dont remember saying Kain was on top of Odin, if i did i was probably hyper or drunk, i simply said he could beat Odin, odin is a mortal, he would die of old age fighting Kain, or have his mortal soul ripped from him. Boundless energy manipulation, hmm, ime still not sure about that one, you would have to play the games to understand why ime unsure since the pillars have endless powers it seems over their subject or to a degree, if it is hyperbole, the power of the energy manip is grand anyway to be put under a hyperbole phrase.

2.lol yes thats quite true, Pyrons spouce 1. Hundreds of planets? That would take...thousands of years to do, even if he could do it, which he couldn't. You said Kain was Odin level, when he is not. Odin can go from 0-beyond lightspeed, that is fact, proven as a matter of fact. Odin has vast magical powers to use, he may be able to rip souls, not too sure on that one tho. Boundless energy manip is hyperbole, if he could, he would be like...LT level.

2. Fvck off.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Hundreds of planets? That would take...thousands of years to do, even if he could do it, which he couldn't. You said Kain was Odin level, when he is not. Odin can go from 0-beyond lightspeed, that is fact, proven as a matter of fact. Odin has vast magical powers to use, he may be able to rip souls, not too sure on that one tho. Boundless energy manip is hyperbole, if he could, he would be like...LT level.

2. Fvck off.

1. what do you mean he couldnt, hundreds of planets would be easy if time was no object, he could freeze time and punch planets for millions of years (wouldnt be this long, eventually due to his muscle usage his muscles due to his evolution would eventually become Hulk level guns and punch the planets into pieces with strokes but for argument...) So....Odin level in speed and such no, but he can stop time so speed is no object, can move through dimensions (can Odin even do this?) and Kain can deifnatley take souls, odin on the other hand afaik cannot so its moot point. LT can manipulation anything and everything, but not neccerily, theres a diffrent between having a power and being able to use it to the extent the power has potential off, he may not even know how to use his energy powers to much effect, but his only known powers are lightning and beams of energy.


2. i would of thot u like to be pyrons spouce

Kain

hmm even i dont think so, all he has now is weather control, thats not enough to kill illidan tbh, kains blasts can deal a lot of damage with lightning, but he wont be quick enough to deal enough damage before hes imapaled many times or beheaded.

kain finished evolving at the end of defiance..he cant evolve any more, apparently

Originally posted by MadMel
kain finished evolving at the end of defiance..he cant evolve any more, apparently
can he not? i never heard that bit of information, who said this?

i mean its the way of the vampires isnt it, in Blood omen 2 dont they say they gain Dark gifts according to their age and as they develop, and Raziel states in soul reaver one they had evolved many times, i have not read information or hints to say kain cannot evolve any more, it sounds absurd

Without the theft of soul I do believe Illy can pull it trough

well he doesnt have anything apart from his feeble lighting now, and with illidans shields hes not going to kill illidan with lightning.

Why just lighting? ermm

I believe even a stronger version can fail against Illy, as long as he is not allowed to drain the soul

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Why just lighting? ermm

I believe even a stronger version can fail against Illy, as long as he is not allowed to drain the soul

how the hell would that happen, theres no way stronger version could possibly lose to illidan, your forgetting time powers, without the reaver and with less than a gesture he can stop Illidan in time, shock his brain so he may become cacatonic. And with a little more than that he could drain the blood dry of illidan, people underestimate kain too much.

Does he not need a device for his time powers?

no, the Soul reaver sword is the only Device kain consistently carries and it allows time slow/freeze for all in the area around him wheras his incapacitate power he does without the reaver but it can only target one being at a time.

the only completly new powers the reaver gives him are dimension movement and reality warping most of the others he already has to a certain extent.

IMO, Kain wins.

not with just lightning