Too many Kryptonians?

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.



Avlon
The latest arcs of Superman comics have brought more and more kryptonians into the mix. From Zod and his crew, to the other phantom zone kryptonians, Supergirl, 3rd Kryptonian, Chris Kent, and now the possibility of Kandor.

One thing about the John Byrne's reboot was that Superman was the last kryptonian and most "other" kryptonians were either from different realities, or retconned in some ways. Now we have survivors scouring the cosmos.

So are the multiple kryptonians (and growing)... good or bad? Does it take away from Supermans uniqueness having multiples of his race running around?

Discuss.

grey fox
Yes , the only Kryptonians I think have proved a positive addition is Chris Kent and KC Superman.

Kandor should be left in it's bottle.

Super-twig is a useless waste of space, might as well rename her Fanservice girl and leave it at that.

Zod is the subject of several horrible retcons, they should of just left it as the Ruler of Polokistan , he was (IMO) the only GOOD zod ever written.

WrathfulDwarf
No, I'll counter this argument by saying that there aren't enough Kryptonians suvivors. We need to have more. With the current 52 framework in the DCU. It makes sense to see more and more Kryptonians appearing and popping out in places.

This is no way harms the mythology origin of Superman. Take these events as more detail background on history of Krypton.

Kutulu
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, I'll counter this argument by saying that there aren't enough Kryptonians suvivors. We need to have more. With the current 52 framework in the DCU. It makes sense to see more and more Kryptonians appearing and popping out in places.

This is no way harms the mythology origin of Superman. Take these events as more detail background on history of Krypton.

So if all 52 realities have multiple Kryptonians running amok.. you could form an army of Supermen / women / dogs / cats / etc..

Oooh that's a neat idea, imagine a Kryptonian cat - it would have to have an adamantium scratching post.

WrathfulDwarf
Something similar to what you mention is already happening with Monarch. He's recruiting members from different universes. Including a Nazi Superman.

grey fox
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, I'll counter this argument by saying that there aren't enough Kryptonians suvivors. We need to have more. With the current 52 framework in the DCU. It makes sense to see more and more Kryptonians appearing and popping out in places.

This is no way harms the mythology origin of Superman. Take these events as more detail background on history of Krypton.

I'll accept Alternate Earth Supermen , just no more Kryptonians on New Earth . Hell they can even pop-up now and then , just as long as they get back to their original Earth.

I'd also like to see world without Superman , and no 'The Nail' doesn't count. Superman still existed. I want a damn planet with NO Supes , Kal died with Krypton.

grey fox
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Something similar to what you mention is already happening with Monarch. He's recruiting members from different universes. Including a Nazi Superman.

Commie

roughrider
It's hard to say. On the one hand, it makes sense that there should be more survivors of Krypton - more people than Jor-El having the foresight to evacuate rather than deny the reality that was coming. Yet, having so many people or beings with the same power set as Superman threatens his unique status. By comparison, the Marvel family was never bigger than a half dozen; how many kryptonians can be allowed?

Rorschach
I want to see Prime rip Nazi Superman in half while going on about how he (Prime) is the only person who deserves to be called Superman. evil face

grey fox
Originally posted by Rorschach
I want to see Prime rip Nazi Superman in half while going on about how he (Prime) is the only person who deserves to be called Superman. evil face

He isn't a Nazi.

Rorschach
Originally posted by grey fox
He isn't a Nazi.

I'm talking about the Superman that Forerunner fought, not the Superman from Red Son. That guy was cool.

roughrider
Nazi Superman? Are people talking about Superman: Red Son? He's a Communist, not a Nazi. And not that bad a guy, either.

Rorschach
I'm talking about this guy.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8763/racerxcta2p27fk4.th.jpg

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by grey fox
I'll accept Alternate Earth Supermen , just no more Kryptonians on New Earth . Hell they can even pop-up now and then , just as long as they get back to their original Earth.

I'd also like to see world without Superman , and no 'The Nail' doesn't count. Superman still existed. I want a damn planet with NO Supes , Kal died with Krypton.

They have to be in New Earth. That's where the Final Crisis is going to happen. If Anti-Monitor and the Sinestro Corps have already arrive so should everyone else. That's going to be the gunfight at the O.K. Corral.

Originally posted by grey fox
Commie

No, read Countdown to Adventure #2. Monarch and Forerunner visit an Earth control by Nazi Superheros and recruit them.

Originally posted by grey fox
He isn't a Nazi.

See above.

roughrider
Originally posted by Rorschach
I'm talking about this guy.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8763/racerxcta2p27fk4.th.jpg

Ah - Alright.
Weird to see a Blond Superman. But, that whole crew looks pretty hardcore.

grey fox
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
They have to be in New Earth. That's where the Final Crisis is going to happen. If Anti-Monitor and the Sinestro Corps have already arrive so should everyone else. That's going to be the gunfight at the O.K. Corral.



No, read Countdown to Adventure #2. Monarch and Forerunner visit an Earth control by Nazi Superheros and recruit them.



See above.

Just looked...intresting. I assumed the only Nazi Superman was the short Story 'Ubermensch'

Nazi Hawkgirl looks a hell of a lot better then Kendra....

grey fox
I hear there was A Nazi Batman on the cover, any images ?

Rorschach
Originally posted by grey fox
I hear there was A Nazi Batman on the cover, any images ?

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4840/racerxcta2p01qi9.th.jpg

Capt Spaulding
Originally posted by grey fox
Yes , the only Kryptonians I think have proved a positive addition is Chris Kent and KC Superman.

Kandor should be left in it's bottle.

Super-twig is a useless waste of space, might as well rename her Fanservice girl and leave it at that.

Zod is the subject of several horrible retcons, they should of just left it as the Ruler of Polokistan , he was (IMO) the only GOOD zod ever written.


cosigned, Superman, and maybe Supergirl, whould be the only survivor(s) of Krypton, it steals from great stories of being "the only survivor" and somewhat steals any possible realism superman could ever possibly have...

grey fox
Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
cosigned, Superman, and maybe Supergirl, whould be the only survivor(s) of Krypton, it steals from great stories of being "the only survivor" and somewhat steals any possible realism superman could ever possibly have...

Be realistic Spaulding, wtf has Supergirl brought to the DCU ? Nothing but crappy fan-service and problems.

Chris Kent however COULD work , if you play it off of the whole 'Child with the power of a god' angle. Show him interacting with ordinary children , accidentally harming them ect.

srankmissingnin
I think the last son of Krypton should be, I don't know, maybe the last son of Krypton?

llagrok
Originally posted by grey fox
Yes , the only Kryptonians I think have proved a positive addition is Chris Kent and KC Superman.

Kandor should be left in it's bottle.

Super-twig is a useless waste of space, might as well rename her Fanservice girl and leave it at that.

Zod is the subject of several horrible retcons, they should of just left it as the Ruler of Polokistan , he was (IMO) the only GOOD zod ever written.

That is one bitchin' movie.

grey fox
Originally posted by llagrok
That is one bitchin' movie.

?????

Citizen V
Unbreakable, presumably.

Grimm22
Originally posted by roughrider
Nazi Superman? Are people talking about Superman: Red Son? He's a Communist, not a Nazi. And not that bad a guy, either.

Not that bad a guy? He performs surgery on people taking away their free will and places them in a museum for the rest of their lives essentially as zombies. no expression

llagrok
Originally posted by grey fox
?????

The movie.

Stupid stick out tongue

Grimm22
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think the last son of Krypton should be, I don't know, maybe the last son of Krypton?

Well technicly, he is the last son of krypton still.

All the survivors we have seen have either been female (Supergirl, the new kryptonian), or criminals (Let's not count those)

And Christopher wasn't born on Krypton so he dosent count either

HueyFreeman
Originally posted by Grimm22
Well technicly, he is the last son of krypton still.

All the survivors we have seen have either been female (Supergirl, the new kryptonian), or criminals (Let's not count those)

And Christopher wasn't born on Krypton so he dosent count either Aren't concepts of time lost in the phantom zone? Then how did Ursa become pregnant?

roughrider
Originally posted by Grimm22
Not that bad a guy? He performs surgery on people taking away their free will and places them in a museum for the rest of their lives essentially as zombies. no expression

Well yes, by the end his good intentions - coupled with his socialist upbringing - go too far. That's how it can start with dictators who want to change people through excessive control, for good or bad.

Soljer
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Aren't concepts of time lost in the phantom zone? Then how did Ursa become pregnant?

That 'ship' they were in, or whatever. I don't remember the exact details, and don't feel like looking it up.

Suffice it to say that there was one particular spot in the Phantom Zone where the 'time' thing did not apply.

Avlon
Originally posted by Soljer
That 'ship' they were in, or whatever. I don't remember the exact details, and don't feel like looking it up.

Suffice it to say that there was one particular spot in the Phantom Zone where the 'time' thing did not apply.

That's pretty much spot on.

Also, they need to stop playing around and bring back the originial Eradicator...although...at this point he would be as much as an anomaly as Jason Todd, and Kyle.

The Eradicators shown just left me....unimpressed...they were basically recon guys.

Grimm22
Originally posted by roughrider
Well yes, by the end his good intentions - coupled with his socialist upbringing - go too far. That's how it can start with dictators who want to change people through excessive control, for good or bad.

He was also best buddies with Stalin no expression

Which is essentially the same as being freinds with Hitler.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Grimm22
He was also best buddies with Stalin no expression

Which is essentially the same as being freinds with Hitler.

Not so bad, right?

batdude123
Originally posted by Grimm22
He was also best buddies with Stalin no expression

Which is essentially the same as being freinds with Hitler.

If you look at 'numbers of killed,' then it's actually worse.

But then again, Harry Truman and Stalin were allies.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by batdude123
If you look at 'numbers of killed,' then it's actually worse.

But then again, Harry Truman and Stalin were allies.

Cap and Stalin had dinner together smile

batdude123
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Cap and Stalin had dinner together smile oh

Kurash
yeah i do think it takes from the uniqueness of supes a bit

Capt Spaulding
I disagree Fox, Superman shouldn't be a Frankenstein-ish character, SUperman shoud be writtan intelligently, but walking on a world of paper glass, and any kind of slip up cause him to go into repression. Kind of like how Dr. Cox on Scrubs goes on a drinking binge everytime he loses multiple patients. Superman should be the character that's loved by all, but no one to actually love him

manjaro
too many probably..there have been too many Zods in my opinion,,,the zod tha brainiac had created, the russian one, the one from the " for tomorrow" arc and now the one where supes adopted his son

King_Mungi
I really dislike the new Third Kryptonian, but at least they made her an old character.

Avlon
Originally posted by manjaro
too many probably..there have been too many Zods in my opinion,,,the zod tha brainiac had created, the russian one, the one from the " for tomorrow" arc and now the one where supes adopted his son

I agree. The Zod thing is a huge mess. Thing is that I like this newly fleshed out Zod far more than all the others. The part that sucks is all the other Zod's that ran around beforehand.

Even retconning will be difficult.... Most of Supermans storylines link with other storylines.

roughrider
Originally posted by Grimm22
He was also best buddies with Stalin no expression

Which is essentially the same as being freinds with Hitler.

In all honesty, Stalin has a mixed legacy in Russia, just like Chairman Mao in China. Both would be hated and condemned for all the oppression and death that occured, yet also earn praise from their people, for turning their nations into world powers that would never be invaded or dominated by outsiders again. By contrast, Hitler is a black stain on the honour of Germany for decades more to come. Stalin wasn't bad enough not to be accepted as an ally by Churchill and Roosevelt (his army WAS doing the majority of the fighting.) And Mao was accpeted as an ally by Nixon in the 1970's, in a bid for triangular diplomacy towards Russia.

grey fox
Originally posted by llagrok
The movie.

Stupid stick out tongue Ahh , yes t'was a beautiful film. People whine because it's 'slow' and 'boring' but that's part of the charm. Plus I ignore most reviewers simply because they pan this and praise Heroes which is (IMO) petty much identical


Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
I disagree Fox, Superman shouldn't be a Frankenstein-ish character, SUperman shoud be writtan intelligently, but walking on a world of paper glass, and any kind of slip up cause him to go into repression. Kind of like how Dr. Cox on Scrubs goes on a drinking binge everytime he loses multiple patients. Superman should be the character that's loved by all, but no one to actually love him

No I understand that, Superman however has had years to hone his abilities and control them. Wheras Chris is just a child.Originally posted by manjaro
too many probably..there have been too many Zods in my opinion,,,the zod tha brainiac had created, the russian one, the one from the " for tomorrow" arc and now the one where supes adopted his son

I'll say it once and i'll say it again. Bring back Russian Zod !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Generalzodrussian21.png

TricksterPriest
Didn't Supes have a bitching fight with Russian Zod, and Zod promptly killed himself at the end? IMO, that's the best you can expect from a character like that. The new Zod is pretty sick. Screw the others. stick out tongue

They need to showcase kryptonian tech more. Up, Up and Away set the bar pretty high with Dru-Zod's warship.

ragesRemorse
There is only one Kryptonian, and his name is clark kent

Kutulu
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
There at least 52 Kryptonians, and some of their names are clark kent

Fixed.

super13

The Pict
There are too many Kryptonians kicking around these days. DC should cut their numbers down somehow IMO

grey fox
Originally posted by The Pict
There are too many Kryptonians kicking around these days. DC should cut their numbers down somehow IMO

Bring back Kancer ? Or maybe a multiversal cull.....

The Pict
Originally posted by grey fox
Bring back Kancer ? Or maybe a multiversal cull.....

I dunno what Kancer is.

eek! Maybe Zod could round up all the Kryptonians and have them fight to the death for some reason, and Clark could win and be the last son of Krypton again!
This sounds like a sound plan to me. It would rock the DC universe to it's very foundations (or not)

grey fox
Originally posted by The Pict
I dunno what Kancer is.

eek! Maybe Zod could round up all the Kryptonians and have them fight to the death for some reason, and Clark could win and be the last son of Krypton again!
This sounds like a sound plan to me. It would rock the DC universe to it's very foundations (or not)

Kancer is ....well...

Ok so Clark get' K-nite Cancer, JHI hacks the thing out him. Russian Zod takes the tumour and mutates it into a sentient creature capable of melting through Kryptonian flesh.

Thats Kancer.

Deathstroke
Originally posted by roughrider
It's hard to say. On the one hand, it makes sense that there should be more survivors of Krypton - more people than Jor-El having the foresight to evacuate rather than deny the reality that was coming. Yet, having so many people or beings with the same power set as Superman threatens his unique status.
That's pretty much how I feel.


As far Zod goes I think I like the current Zod and Co. the best.

manjaro
yeah but here is the thing...for tomorrow Zod was erally pissed at superman for turning a part of the phantom zone into a paradise...and he was an old guy with a beard....which begs the question WTF? since there is no time in ther Pzone, how could he have gotten older, but anyhoo he was all monologuing about how jor-el ruined his life and blah blah and sent him ther and how he swore revenge...and if you remember this was when max lord was looking for a viable way to make ppl superhuman, and after they created that preacher guy who had cancer they decided to abandon the project and go with the Omacs, so how in the f **** are they gonna retcon something that's so close in continuity? its not like this was yearrrrs ago thiis was late 2005. so if this is all a true retcon it was handled very bullshittedly

roughrider
Ah, all the Zod retconning...what a headache...
I'm sure Crisis no. 3 will set things straight, once and for all. big grin

TricksterPriest
3? This is actually 4. COIE, Zero Hour, and IC.

grey fox
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
3? This is actually 4. COIE, Zero Hour, and IC.

What about Identity Crisis ?

Soljer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_(DC_Comics)

Three? Four?

Ha.

Kutulu
Originally posted by Soljer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_(DC_Comics)

Three? Four?

Ha.

Damn that's a lot of crisis! Here I thought a mid-life crisis was bad enough. sad

MightyEInherjar
Originally posted by Rorschach
I'm talking about this guy.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8763/racerxcta2p27fk4.th.jpg

That's one of the most badass looking things to ever come out of the DCU.

roughrider
Originally posted by Kutulu
Damn that's a lot of crisis! Here I thought a mid-life crisis was bad enough. sad

FINAL CRISIS coming next year?
God Damn - DC has been trying to get this right for 23 years now, since the original COIE.
I was at the bookstore last month, leafing through Waid & Yu's Superman: Birthright. I considered buying it, as it was the revison of Superman since John Byrne's The Man Of Steel. But then I remembered how IC wiped out that origin, and yet another origin for Supes is coming. roll eyes (sarcastic) Makes you want to sit out DC titles for years at a time, until the editors & publishers can make up their mind.

Kutulu
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
That's one of the most badass looking things to ever come out of the DCU.

ROFL at the Flash having two lightning bolts, signifying that he's a member of the SS.

Kutulu
Originally posted by roughrider
FINAL CRISIS coming next year?
God Damn - DC has been trying to get this right for 23 years now, since the original COIE.
I was at the bookstore last month, leafing through Waid & Yu's Superman: Birthright. I considered buying it, as it was the revison of Superman since John Byrne's The Man Of Steel. But then I remembered how IC wiped out that origin, and yet another origin for Supes is coming. roll eyes (sarcastic) Makes you want to sit out DC titles for years at a time, until the editors & publishers can make up their mind.

That's one of the things that makes it hard for people new to DC to pick up a comic book and get involved.

nvrbeenwthagirl
I find it hard to follow Marvel when the pheonix went from jean, to an entity, to the white crown. When black bolt is now a skrull and Preretconned beings are more powerful than beings who actually exist with in the comics world.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I find it hard to follow Marvel when the pheonix went from jean, to an entity, to the white crown. When black bolt is now a skrull and Preretconned beings are more powerful than beings who actually exist with in the comics world.

Co-signed on that, Marvel's continuity was decent until this recent Skrull event, now continuity will be in question until late 2008 when the Skrull invasion is done. I'm not a big fan of retcons.

Endless Mike
At least it cleared up the Hulk vs. Black Bolt nonsense

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Endless Mike
At least it cleared up the Hulk vs. Black Bolt nonsense

But since lots of BB's feats also are now from the Skrull it doesn't really change much erm

TricksterPriest
That's the only plus so far. I'm still waiting on Strange being revealed as a Skrull.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Crisis

I don't know how reliable Wiki is, but it say there are 4 crisises. IMO, Identity Crisis is technically part of Infinite Crisis.

The good thing about DC's large overarching storylines and huge continuity, is it's a very rich and involved tapestry. You get the sense of being part of something bigger. cool

Fanboy
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
That's one of the most badass looking things to ever come out of the DCU.

Yeah I read that comic fight though and it was lame!!!!!1

grey fox
Originally posted by roughrider
FINAL CRISIS coming next year?
God Damn - DC has been trying to get this right for 23 years now, since the original COIE.
I was at the bookstore last month, leafing through Waid & Yu's Superman: Birthright. I considered buying it, as it was the revison of Superman since John Byrne's The Man Of Steel. But then I remembered how IC wiped out that origin, and yet another origin for Supes is coming. roll eyes (sarcastic) Makes you want to sit out DC titles for years at a time, until the editors & publishers can make up their mind.

MOS rocked because it portrayed Superman at his (arguably) most realistic.


Then Birthright came with it's bullshitty smallville tie-in and steam-rolled the awesomeness of Byrne.

Rewmac
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I find it hard to follow Marvel when the pheonix went from jean, to an entity, to the white crown. When black bolt is now a skrull and Preretconned beings are more powerful than beings who actually exist with in the comics world. Blackbolt is a skrull?

grey fox
Originally posted by Rewmac
Blackbolt is a skrull?

Yeah Last Issue of Illuminati revealed it.

HueyFreeman
Anyone hoping the next issue of Superman Confidential in which Superman faces Orion is more than a draw to keep fans happy like in "Death of New Gods 2"?

roughrider
Originally posted by grey fox
Yeah Last Issue of Illuminati revealed it.

Oh, this is going to be a painful year... miffed

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.