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Pre-Annihilation powerup.

Nothing but strength and durability. No Power Cosmic, no bracelets, nothing.

does that mean surfer cant up his strength with power cosmic?

When was the last time you saw Surfer use the POC to amp his physical power? I think he did it when fighting Thing back in the day.

He'll be going at standard strength levels.

Wonder Woman. Much much more skilled in H2H.

This isnt' hand-to-hand. It's punching each other until the other falls down and can't get up. The one standing wins.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
This isnt' hand-to-hand. It's punching each other until the other falls down and can't get up. The one standing wins.

Since when is skill not a factor in a slugfest?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Since when is skill not a factor in a slugfest?

i think he means they just stand there and trade blows

^ correct.

anyways the surfer wins

surfer's strenght is already well over 100ton's without amping.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
surfer's strenght is already well over 100ton's without amping.

Arguable. He would still take a majority though.

His strength is likely high enough to hit Superman and make him dazed, so his decent strength along with his significantly superior durability makes him the winner here.

She would pwn him hth tho.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Since when is skill not a factor in a slugfest?

Since always.

As far as the fight goes - Diana's likely stronger to begin with (since the Surfer isn't allowed to amplify his strength), but the Surfer is much more durable.

Originally posted by Soljer
Since always.
Especially since Shin made it pretty clear nothing but physical prowess was being used here.

Surfer is still Male no? He wins by default.

Surfer's durability give's him the edge diana is gonna go down before he does.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Surfer is still Male no? He wins by default.
Ditto.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Surfer's durability give's him the edge diana is gonna go down before he does.
Thanos, hulk and the thing would big to differ with surfer's durability

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Thanos, hulk and the thing would big to differ with surfer's durability
Big? Beg you mean?

Hulk and Thing? Kidding? Oh right...You are.Right?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Thanos, hulk and the thing would big to differ with surfer's durability

.

Thanos - sure.

Hulk and Thing?

.

Trading blows: this could go either way.
Skilled h2h: WW gets herself a new silver ponyboy

It depends on the fight. Surfer's record against Hulk is better but Hulk's done okay I think once or twice.

As for Thing...that was way back in the day Norrin.

Originally posted by Soljer
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Thanos - sure.

Hulk and Thing?

.

they beat SS also or have you forgotten?

I remember Hulk hitting Surfer and Surfer being uneffected.... Surfer was even letting him do it.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
they beat SS also or have you forgotten?
Lies.

None of them have actually beaten the Surfer.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I remember Hulk hitting Surfer and Surfer being uneffected.... Surfer was even letting him do it.
Surfer got shit stomped by hulk

He got up not to long afterwards thou

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Thanos, hulk and the thing would big to differ with surfer's durability
Don't mind him. He thinks Superman>Thanos!!

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Thanos, hulk and the thing would big to differ with surfer's durability

diana

Originally posted by moonknight11
Don't mind him. He thinks Superman>Thanos!!
He does

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Surfer is still Male no? He wins by default.

Kirby was the only one who drew him with pants. He's more of a unich now.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Kirby was the only one who drew him with pants. He's more of a unich now.

Score for being unable to spell eunuch?

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.

Originally posted by Soljer
Score for being unable to spell eunuch?

.

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Dictionaries are frequently inaccurate, SC is definitive.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Surfer got shit stomped by hulk

He got up not to long afterwards thou Are you talking about Planet Hulk, after Surfer pwned him, and then they broke his control disk, and Surfer tried to be friends with Hulk, and Hulk cheapshotted him?
Ya, good fight...


All other times though... Hulk has been unable to damage Surfer in a one-on-one fight.

Surfer's been pwned by a brick..... durimshot

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Surfer's been pwned by a brick..... durimshot Apocalypse had to dodge a table thrown in his direction.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Surfer's been pwned by a brick..... durimshot
Darkseid....quarters.

Nuff said.

Originally posted by Val
Darkseid....quarters.

Nuff said.

Hal... shark.

Nuff said.

Originally posted by batdude123
Hal... shark.

Nuff said.
How can you compare a Super shark with a quarter?

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
How can you compare a Super shark with a quarter?

Maybe because Darkseid didn't get pwned by a 'quarter.'

Originally posted by batdude123
Apocalypse had to dodge a table thrown in his direction. He needs to learn how to dodge the asswuppins.

Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe because Darkseid didn't get pwned by a 'quarter.'
Nah, he just begs for them.

Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe because Darkseid didn't get pwned by a 'quarter.'
*throws Table*

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
*throws Table*

*dodges*

Originally posted by Val
Nah, he just begs for them.

Definition 14 for quarter:

"Mercy offered to a defeated enemy"

Originally posted by batdude123

Definition 14 for quarter:

"Mercy offered to a defeated enemy"
This certainly redeems that scene and Darkseid's reputation.

Shovel... Darkseid...

*teehee*

Originally posted by Bransolute
Shovel... Darkseid...

*teehee*

That was after he broke Raker's ring, and his army decimated the GL corp. 131dur

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That was after he broke Raker's ring, and his army decimated the GL corp. 131dur Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
*throws Table*

He didn't break Raker's ring in that scene and that was with the yellow weakness. Lulz.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits


*ducks* durfist

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That was after he broke Raker's ring, and his army decimated the GL corp. 131dur And after his fight with Raker, in which he wore a yellow suit... and still got /tackled thrown around by Raker.

Shovel.

Or...

Chain... Thugs... Darkseid...

Originally posted by Val
He didn't break Raker's ring in that scene and that was with the yellow weakness. Lulz.

Raker earlier walked into DS's throne room. Darkseid grabbed his hand through the shield, and broke the hand and the ring.

Originally posted by Val
This certainly redeems that scene and Darkseid's reputation.

Superman>>>>Sharks.

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman>>>>Sharks.
Replace Sharks with Darkseid...

*throws table,followed by a roll of quarters*

Hal > Superman

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Replace Sharks with Darkseid...

*throws table,followed by a roll of quarters* http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/954/gl80pggnt309nastynat5mp.jpg

*ducks the table, grabs the quarters* WOO HOO, FREE MONEY!

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Raker earlier walked into DS's throne room. Darkseid grabbed his hand through the shield, and broke the hand and the ring.
Only when Raker didn't know who he was. In their second fight, DS felt the need to wear a yellow suit and ended up getting his OE blocked back into his face.

Originally posted by Val
Hal =< Superman Fixed.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
*throws table,followed by a roll of quarters* *calls Mr.Biscuits gay because he's keeping this up*

You lose. Adding an equal sign in a one ups competition totally defeats the point.

Originally posted by Val
You lose. Adding an equal sign in a one ups competition totally defeats the point.

Originally posted by Val
Hal<<<Superman

Happy?

Originally posted by batdude123
*calls Mr.Biscuits gay because he's keeping this up*
*punches you in the face* I win...biscuits

Originally posted by batdude123
Happy?
Doesn't matter. You already lost.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
*punches you in the face* I win...biscuits

*kicks Biscuits in the ass* Wusha.

Val: You can't tell me this is not a good feat. Darkseid walks up and breaks the guy's hand through the shield, crushing the ring in the process. Hell, Raker told the Guardians they needed to watch out cause they underestimated DS.


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http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb51e29ejpgorig7xs.jpg

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Originally posted by Val
Doesn't matter. You already lost.

Not as badly as Hal loses to Superman.

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Redemption five?

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
*punches you in the face* I win...biscuits

*eats your fist*

Originally posted by batdude123
Not as badly as Hal loses to Superman.

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Redemption five?
I never said there was a reset button.

Originally posted by Val
I never said there was a reset button.

No... I did.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
*kicks Biscuits in the ass* Wusha.

Val: You can't tell me this is not a good feat. Darkseid walks up and breaks the guy's hand through the shield, crushing the ring in the process. Hell, Raker told the Guardians they needed to watch out cause they underestimated DS.


http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkseidgl11ak9tc.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb51e2a8jpgorig1qd.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb51e29ejpgorig7xs.jpg

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What shield?

Originally posted by batdude123
No... I did.
Too bad. I made the rules.

Originally posted by Val
Too bad. I made the rules.

And I broke them. Got a problem with that?

Originally posted by Val
Only when Raker didn't know who he was. In their second fight, DS felt the need to wear a yellow suit and ended up getting his OE blocked back into his face. True when both knew about their oppponent and met on the battlefield one kicked the other ass before the fight was stopped.


Raker was winning becuz Ds hadnt done one thing and was on his back defenseless.

Not really. Feel free to play with yourself.

Originally posted by Val
What shield?

Isn't that green construct on his hand basically a shield?

Originally posted by Val
What shield?
The glowing thing around his hand...haermm
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Isn't that green construct on his hand basically a shield?
LULZ.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
*kicks Biscuits in the ass* Wusha.

Val: You can't tell me this is not a good feat. Darkseid walks up and breaks the guy's hand through the shield, crushing the ring in the process. Hell, Raker told the Guardians they needed to watch out cause they underestimated DS.


http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkseidgl11ak9tc.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb51e2a8jpgorig1qd.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb51e29ejpgorig7xs.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb51c251jpgorig1ij.jpg Because no one can stop a Gl who basically had no history. Cough ....Prime ....Cough.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Isn't that green construct on his hand basically a shield?
That's a hell of a stretch. Why would he have a shield around his hand anyway? He didn't even view DS as a threat at that time.

Originally posted by Val
Not really. Feel free to play with yourself.

Duly noted. droolwanker

Originally posted by Val
That's a hell of a stretch. Why would he have a shield around his hand anyway? He didn't even view DS as a threat at that time.

No more of a stretch than a shovel being a threat to Darkseid.

HOW DID THIS TURN INTO A DARKSEID THREAD?!?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No more of a stretch than a shovel being a threat to Darkseid.
The shovel is irrelevant. The point was to show Raker had DS at his mercy before the Guardians showed up.

Originally posted by Kurash
HOW DID THIS TURN INTO A DARKSEID THREAD?!?

Originally posted by Val
The shovel is irrelevant. The point was to show Raker had DS at his mercy before the Guardians showed up.

Penile secks.

Originally posted by Val
The shovel is irrelevant. The point was to show Raker had DS at his mercy before the Guardians showed up.

Val > Trick?

Hmmm....

Originally posted by Soljer
Val > Trick?

Hmmm....

omg NO WAI!!!!

Originally posted by Val
The shovel is irrelevant. The point was to show Raker had DS at his mercy before the Guardians showed up.

When it comes to blunt force trauma, Diana hangs with the best of them. Remember when she was punched from the Sun to the Earth in under a second flat. her head should be gone. This is a tie. She's stronger. He's all around more durable.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
This isnt' hand-to-hand. It's punching each other until the other falls down and can't get up. The one standing wins.

To me this is NOT the definition of a slugfest. A slugfest is a KO or kill by use of fists only. That to me is a slugfest. ....not stand there and trade blows. If that happens by default so be it.

But, this thread had been dumbed down to make Diana a bigger loser than she would be.....especially when I saw another thread that states WW can't use her combative skills?! Good grief.

In a fist fight, no PC, board, lasso, tiara, etc, etc...straight up brawl, I give it 7-8/10 to SS, if only for his superior speed, and reflexes (not sure). However WW's combat skills rank very high in comicdom. There are only a handful who are better or equal. Still I can't help but think SS's speed will play a big role here.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
surfer's strenght is already well over 100ton's without amping. Scans?