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Martial arts battle.

If the speed edge is too much, we can assume they are both at even speed.

The speed edge IS too much. Loz makes Hachi look like he's standing still.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
The speed edge IS too much. Loz makes Hachi look like he's standing still.

Didn't you read the part where Nikk says "if the speed edge is too much we assume they are both fighting at even speed."

With that said...Heihachi wins this if both have the same speed. Higher durability, experience, decent power strikes and Heihachi will probably fight dirty if Loz gives him trouble.

As for the normal match...Loz will win because of the speed advantage.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Didn't you read the part where Nikk says "if the speed edge is too much we assume they are both fighting at even speed."

With that said...Heihachi wins this if both have the same speed. Higher durability, experience, decent power strikes and Heihachi will probably fight dirty if Loz gives him trouble.

As for the normal match...Loz will win because of the speed advantage. In terms of strength, Loz is EASILY Hachi's superior. Loz is a more brutal fighter, and he easily took all of Tifa's blows, and then in like...2 shots beat her.

How is he stronger than Heihachi?

Heihachi knocking around the Jacks is a better strength feat than anything I saw from Loz.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
How is he stronger than Heihachi?

Heihachi knocking around the Jacks is a better strength feat than anything I saw from Loz. Loz MANHANDLED Tifa, who is also very strong, and with one arm threw her with enough force that when she turned in midair to land on a pillar horizontly, after she landed, all the flowers under her path of travel, were shredded.

Loz punches with enough force to create a huge Ground Wave, as he shot it at Cloud, punched a giant tree down with little effort, with his legs, he launched a huge bike at Cloud at extreme speed, im sure Loz can smash Jacks around like nothing

and dont forget, Loz survived that huuge TNT Explosion by the turks

Two of those strength feats were with his gauntlet.

And none of those strength feats are beyond Heihachi's strength by a significant margin. If they are above his strength at all.

Heihachi beats him....power, insane durability, cool moves and overall kickass style that has enabled him to beat people like kazuya etc.
besides in the T6 profile for raven it said that he and hachi fought for a long time and pretty evenly too and lets not forget how fast raven is (he's also a teleporter).
Hachi wins.............and then bitchslaps loz for reminding him of Kazuya.
SHORIYA!

~Sado

Besides beating up a few jacks then getting exhausted and almost dying, what else are Heihachis strength feats?

Also where is it stated that it was his Dual Hounds that made the Ground Wave? If it was then he'd simply need to put it on the ground and fire, he was clearing exerting physical force into BOTH of those blows.

Loz' durability is up there with Heihachi's as well, he took a motorcycle explosion right to the face, without phazing him at all, and took that giant TNT explosion by the turks, and survived.

Heichachi is a human with extreme skill and durability, Loz however; is a superhuman..

His reflex, power, and movement are matrix-like, dodging bullets from behind, tossing ppl 100 feet in the air, kicking heavy ass motorbikes at ppl, zipping around the battlefield at high speed..

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A lot more than a few and he didn't almost die. Unless eh was almost dying for week's on end.



Heihachi has been dropped off cliffs and blown for miles by explosions and survived.

Loz's durability can't compare.

Not to mention we saw what Kaz's punches can do with those huge metal robots. Heihachi was taking those blows in their T4 fight.



None of which puts him at even the top tier of Tekken, let alone the God-Tier the Mishimas reside in.

Tekken is underrated in this forum, except the devil Mishima's of course.

Loz's durability "can't compare". It seems someone's underrating Loz' feat surviving Reno and Rude's TNT blast.

Did the TNT blow Loz miles away?

Originally posted by Sado-sama
Loz's durability "can't compare". It seems someone's underrating Loz' feat surviving Reno and Rude's TNT blast.

Is TNT comparable to a nuke?

Heihachi never got nuked, and im pretty sure that TNT blew Loz and yazoo miles away considering how big the explosion is

again, give me some lists of feats to prove his strength, besides beating up some jacks

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Is TNT comparable to a nuke? No, but neither one have survived one.

Heihachi never got nuked? haermm

And what's meant by neither one survived one?

Originally posted by Sado-sama
Heihachi never got nuked? haermm

And what's meant by neither one survived one? Neither survived a nuke. That blast by the Jacks is NOWHERE near nuke level.

This is a nuke.

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People I have asked calculate the blast to be between tac-nuke level and the first atomic bomb level (that's 10 kilotons, I think. I'm checking on it now)

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Neither survived a nuke. That blast by the Jacks is NOWHERE near nuke level. There are different types of nukes.

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Originally posted by Sado-sama
There are different types of nukes.


Word, not everything has to be Hiroshima.

Originally posted by Sado-sama
There are different types of nukes.

Heihachi 58% All that hit Hachi was a big explosion. Same thing hit Loz, only Loz wasn't knocked out for weeks.