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Basically if Israel beat Russia and England beat Croatia at home then they will go through.

Seeing as Israel cannot qualify they have might have no real incentive to try and win, this could backfire of course if Russia think the same thing and attack in an impatient lunatic fashion, in effect running into the knife and loosing. But with an experienced coach as Guus Hiddink I doubt it.

Wednesday will tell but even if England get lucky, can they beat Croatia at home, on current form I doubt it.

sorry to say it looks hard, and they have to depend on others to help them.

Hopefully not.

Could be just what England need, make them realise a few home truths.

-AC

What's the point of them qualifying? They need to go backwards to progress at the moment.

The Golden Generation is being shown as the pyrite it always was.

Look it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrite
fools gold, fool!

And I have to agree about England needing to fail to qualify, as much as I rate Gerrard and Terry, they are the ONLY world class players in the England team... regardless of what the media tells you.






And at the other end of the spectrum, regardless of what AC and VVD tell you.

Originally posted by Df02
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrite
fools gold, fool!




who cares come on England and Israel.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7167/englandnd9.jpg

Love to see England out of the tournamount. Arrogant wanks

at present time none of the teams of the British isles is worthy a place in the Euro 2008, I think Scotland is gonna **** up against Italy Saturday. Hope they wont cause they have preformed tactically brilliant in certain games except the last one in which they really stunk, but Italy always seem to be impossible to play whenever their national league is left in a state of disgrace

Originally posted by Df02
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrite
fools gold, fool!

And I have to agree about England needing to fail to qualify, as much as I rate Gerrard and Terry, they are the ONLY world class players in the England team... regardless of what the media tells you.






And at the other end of the spectrum, regardless of what AC and VVD tell you.

Terry needs a good partner, though. He's not inherently great.

Gerrard is just the most overrated human in the history of anything.

Rio, maybe.

Richards in time.

Robinson.

Originally posted by Df02
And at the other end of the spectrum, regardless of what AC and VVD tell you.

He is well shit, though.

As a sportsman he's also shit. Speaks out against divers with one side of the mouth, dives with...the other side...onto Rafa.

-AC

I don't really know what I want to happen. I do want to be able to watch and support England, but also I think it could be beneficial for us not to make it through. People need to stop seeing the England team through rose tinted glasses whenever it suits them, we really have pretty much used up every scape goat so far.

It's McClaren's fault.

He is a shit-ophile, he's a nonse, he's a fence vole, he's a nut administrator, he's a bent ref, he's the crazy world of Arthur Brown, he's a free willy, he's a chimney bottler, he's a bunty man, he's a shrub rocketeer. Eeeeeh.

-AC

That's just another form of racism.

England is facing very much the same problem as Spain has done for decades, many of the main players in the aint domestic ones and in the end it hurt the national teams

Originally posted by anaconda
England is facing very much the same problem as Spain has done for decades, many of the main players in the aint domestic ones and in the end it hurt the national teams

That's just a bs excuse.

The lower divisions are chock full of English "talent". There's a reason for that.

-AC

the lower division talents dont hold international standard, its a reason why these talents aint on the national teams.
England have their best players on the national team, it just that England plays a very different football than the players is used to play on their teams. The teams playes have drifted towards continental football, while England and lower division teams are more kick and run longball. Most of the English teams taking a part in CL playes real good football, England on the other hand seems clueless and you know what to expect facing them, good on home turf, feeble on away ground

If they can't adapt, they're not good enough, it's that simple.

well sometimes kick and run/ longball really works, ball handling teams hate to meet that kind of football teams cause it really breaks their stride/style, rip them appart. And kick and run teams can be vicious on turnovers and specialist on "dead ball starts" (corners, free kicks, throw ins....)

Though the problem seems to be, that the team work on one thing and cancel another out.

They work on set plays, the defense suffers. They work on defense, practically everything else suffers. It could be because of a number of things, but it's certainly a problem. The all round game is just shoddy.

No I doubt it, Israel will play their hearts out mainly due to the faxt that the match is being broadcast on english TV. if we got a chance to play on national TV i'm sure I would play my heart out to maybe impress SOMEONE.

England won't beat croatia, they have THAT excuse at the ready when they do lose on wednesday, it wont mean anything will it because israel will see russia off

Israel are maggic at home I hear, only lost to croatia in qualifiers?

Discos - Home nations tournament may return if neither UK team make it through.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Yeah. Their own fault for ending up needing to rely on results, though.

I couldn't give a **** about watching England; overhyped boring crap. Do want them to qualify though, because I know if they don't the coverage will be on Channel 5 at 01.30 in the morning.

Good call actually, I hadn't thought about that.

why go abroad with all teh money there is in PL, most English that went abroad didnt have too much success, maybe Lineker

ehh what did they actually win besides the world cup in 66?

yeah well besides drawing against England they faced and beat Andorra and Estonia, not exactly the greatest team in the world. I really hope they put on a great game though. I would hate to miss England in the Euro 2008, much less fun at the pubs

Originally posted by anaconda
why go abroad with all teh money there is in PL, most English that went abroad didnt have too much success, maybe Lineker

Bergkamp, Henry, Viera etc to Arsenal, Berbatov to Spurs, Ronaldo to Man U, Drogba to Chelsea, Robben to Chelsea etc. All varying levels of success that have made the P.L. the best league.

Beckham and Owen to Real Madrid? Do you see where I'm going?

English players don't do too well abroad cos they're simply not as good.

-AC

or they just dont fit the style they play in the league they go to, both English players you mentioned have international qualities though and have shown that on many occasions both with RM and the English national teams

he has developed in the PL, he wasnt half as good when he came, now he is outstanding even if he plays for Man U

they are part of that yes, but many British players as well contributed to that fact though

see why do we have this thread? will ENGLAND qualify, what about even Northern Ireland? see there is just too much of a high expectation with the england team for some reason. They have won the world cup on home soil once....thats about all you guys have got I'm afraid
(except that De France mini tournament they won prior to the world cup 98).

I'll tell you who was a great GREAT asset for england and played outside england and thats Gasgoine, can't believe how good he was and yet he still played in the SPL (not the best league for an england international to play in).

I have argued england's case in the world cup and the Euros and its simply because of the media....a previous post said that en gland have to be in a tournament so the euro's arnt shown in highlights on BBC4 at 1am and that.

Remember the World Cup 2002, the biggest story of the tournament was overshadowed by whether Beckham would be fit or not?....the story being Roy Keane got chucked on a flight straight outta korea/japan. Its a shame the media gives england so much hype and yet they wonder why england fans are always dissapointed and angry all the time.

It baffles me tho - england are swarming with areas of strength...i mean Terry and Ferdinand at centre back? they should be unbeatable, but teams find a way. Lampard and Gerrard should equal DYNAMITE, but no no just another media exploit to piss about.

Discos - watching england U21's recently and they seem alright, dont see any future Gerrards there tho.

Thankfully. Might win something.

Originally posted by anaconda
they are part of that yes, but many British players as well contributed to that fact though

As of right now, I don't see it.

I distinctly remember when Bergkamp came, foreigners were still somewhat new, and EVERYBODY loved it because it brought so much that English players, British players, just couldn't.

You can't take pride in the fact that this league is now the best in the world, and then moan about foreigners. They made this league the best.

-AC

oh relly, so Cole, Lampard, Rooney, Ferdinan?, Terry aint part of making PL great

who is moaning, problem with it is that it will affect the national team and obviously have, just as it has done in Spain, and the Spanish league is just as good as PL if you look at what happens on the pitch. And Bergkamp is apeewe compare to the likes of Cantona

Originally posted by anaconda
oh relly, so Cole, Lampard, Rooney, Ferdinan?, Terry aint part of making PL great

who is moaning, problem with it is that it will affect the national team and obviously have, just as it has done in Spain, and the Spanish league is just as good as PL if you look at what happens on the pitch. And Bergkamp is apeewe compare to the likes of Cantona

Bergkamp was better than Cantona.

It doesn't affect the England team at all. Where was all the success before these foreigners came and took all the English players' jobs and houses? Don't just make a spurious point without evidence and expect to be taken seriously.

Problem with England is that the players aren't all that. The press and the idiotic xenophobe fans think the team have a divine right to win things, when the English players are technically inept. How can playing with superior players make them worse?

Rooney partnering Tevez is learning more than if he were partnering Nugent.

A league full of English players would be a massive regression; even more emphasis on 'lumping it', and chief attributes being 'drive', 'determination', 'courage', and 'getting stuck in'.

Originally posted by anaconda
oh relly, so Cole, Lampard, Rooney, Ferdinan?, Terry aint part of making PL great

Lampard was, Rooney might have been. The rest not so much. Ferdinand maybe.

Even so, hardly a boost is it? Five players. No English player has changed or contributed to the league being what it is like a foreigner has.

Originally posted by anaconda
who is moaning, problem with it is that it will affect the national team and obviously have, just as it has done in Spain, and the Spanish league is just as good as PL if you look at what happens on the pitch. And Bergkamp is apeewe compare to the likes of Cantona

As said above, it hasn't. England have won f*ck all since '66, it has nothing to do with foreigners.

England just don't produce great players of that calibre.

-AC

would like to see the foreign player who would be able to change it without of the aid of the domestic English/British players, great as they are they no mere than sole players who need a team to fulfill them
It just that others caught up, England kind of always met the worst at the worst time, last time out in Germany it could just as well tipped Englands way as it did Portugal.....great acting on the behalf of ROnaldo sealed more or less a lot, who knows how far they could have gone.........not like the final was great, rather pathetic so was the semi finals..the teams was more afraid to lose than they were eager to win

just a matter of opinion, England produces a great deal of excellent defenders, world class

Originally posted by anaconda
would like to see the foreign player who would be able to change it without of the aid of the domestic English/British players, great as they are they no mere than sole players who need a team to fulfill them

Without them the league would have been stuck being just another natural progression of the lower divisions. Fact.

Originally posted by anaconda
It just that others caught up, England kind of always met the worst at the worst time, last time out in Germany it could just as well tipped Englands way as it did Portugal.....great acting on the behalf of ROnaldo sealed more or less a lot

Oh stop the bullshit, please. Rooney stamped on him.

Why does every England loss come with an excuse? They're shit. "Oh, we would have won if Rooney wasn't sent off.", he's played in many games since, many games before, still no trophies.

Originally posted by anaconda
who knows how far they could have gone.........not like the final was great, rather pathetic so was the semi finals..the teams was more afraid to lose than they were eager to win

I know how far, because they got knocked out.

It's stupid to be imaginary about this. They couldn't have gone any further because...they didn't.

Originally posted by anaconda
just a matter of opinion, England produces a great deal of excellent defenders, world class

That'd be why they haven't won anything then.

-AC

They're amazing, and should win everything, but only lose because they get screwed, YET, they're also shit because the foreigners are better.

You're not even trying to make sense anymore.

Take The Sun out of your rear.

they were reduced to 10, with 11 players the entire game the outcome might have been different, the fact that he played in many games since just aint an issue

Originally posted by anaconda
they were reduced to 10, with 11 players the entire game the outcome might have been different, the fact that he played in many games since just aint an issue

Yeah, and it might not have been. The outcome was, like it is every time, England being knocked out. What's the excuse now if they don't qualify? Rooney being injured? Give it a rest. It was Rooney's fault anyway.

It is an issue. Because if losing him was this sole turning point that everyone is so eager to use as a reason for the loss, why don't England win every game he plays?

You're just like the rest, can't accept that they're shit, and it's because of that attitude that they'll never get better.

-AC

hey bic,check your pm.

never was his fault at all

I know when they are shit, i dont excuse them at all..im not even English still I cheer for them, so you take pride in the fact with the rest of the sceptics cause this time you were right.......hope you are proud to see your prediction come true.......sorry to say that a foreigner is a better supporter of England as a football team than domestic one.............

Originally posted by anaconda
never was his fault at all

Yes, it was. You commit a red card offense, you get a red.

Originally posted by anaconda
I know when they are shit, i dont excuse them at all..im not even English still I cheer for them, so you take pride in the fact with the rest of the sceptics cause this time you were right.......hope you are proud to see your prediction come true.......sorry to say that a foreigner is a better supporter of England as a football team than domestic one.............

That made no sense.

I don't feel obligated to support England.

-AC

looks like 83.33% were wrong


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Why are you cheering for them as if it's up to them? It'll be luck if they get through.

-AC

Oh it would be an absolute travesty to see ol England not get through, it would upset the nation. Make everyone cry

It actually would, that's the shit thing.

-AC

Just make sure you don't kill anyone in Croke Park

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you cheering for them as if it's up to them? It'll be luck if they get through.

-AC

Theres an old football saying, "you make your own luck".

If you got through then you deserve to simple as that, ok England v Croatia is more likely to be draw unless England try and prove a point especially at home.

The big question is will Mclaren stay if England qualify, I certainly hope not.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Theres an old football saying, "you make your own luck".

If you got through then you deserve to simple as that, ok England v Croatia is more likely to be draw unless England try and prove a point especially at home.

The big question is will Mclaren stay if England qualify, I certainly hope not.

That's a bs saying, because it's not always applicable.

England have simply not played well enough to deserve to. They would be out if it were not for other teams.

-AC

We're discussing England, though.

I'm not saying it's not applicable to anyone else, I'm just saying that this will all be forgotten if England do well, cos England fans are mostly idiots.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're discussing England, though.

cos England fans are mostly idiots.

-AC

That really is a silly comment imo.

I could say that most Brazilian fans are boob swinging half naked women, but that would also be inaccurate.

But it would be a good reason to support them, come on admit it its your real reason for supporting them

Originally posted by Bicnarok
That really is a silly comment imo.

I could say that most Brazilian fans are boob swinging half naked women, but that would also be inaccurate.

But it would be a good reason to support them, come on admit it its your real reason for supporting them

My comment wasn't really untrue. I never said "All".

-AC

Neither did I, I said "most".

Ok Who jumped in on the poll and used my error of not adding a time limit to add a "Yes" vote after the Israel v Russia game? come on own up

well whoever it was was wrong