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Don't drop the soap!

Also...should tax payers money pay for them?

No.

Let them suffer.

Originally posted by B.A
No.

Let them suffer. Because people that smoked a joint deserve to get AIDS from a triple murderer called Bubba?

Or they could recycle and make them from Chinese Hair-bands.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because people that smoked a joint deserve to get AIDS from a triple murderer called Bubba?

They do if they smoked my last joint's worth.

Anal rape (possibly involving a fire extinguisher) is the only punishment deemed suitable in that particular instance.

Dunno about the AIDS though... Its seems kinda..... Excessive.

I mean, its not like its Michael Bay and his ilk that we are talking about here....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because people that smoked a joint deserve to get AIDS from a triple murderer called Bubba?

Tripple murder bubba usually doesn't go to the same prison as a minor drug offender Jenkins....unless minor drug offender Jenkins behaves poorly...Triple Murder Bubba gets to go to a low security prison IF he is approaching the end of his sentence or is getting rewarded for good behavior.

Of course, there are always exceptions..

You're skreet smart, are you?

No, taxpayers shouldn't pay for them.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Don't drop the soap!

Also...should tax payers money pay for them? It is common sense isn't it.

I think it's a good idea. Eventually some inmates get released back into society and the lesser the AIDS the better.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tripple murder bubba usually doesn't go to the same prison as a minor drug offender Jenkins....unless minor drug offender Jenkins behaves poorly...Triple Murder Bubba gets to go to a low security prison IF he is approaching the end of his sentence or is getting rewarded for good behavior.

Of course, there are always exceptions..

You're skreet smart, are you?


Not sure what that is, but the point is that no one deserves being infected with AIDS. Not sure whether issuing condoms would help though, but if you put people in a secure place, stripping away their freedom, you should have the decency to ensure that getting AIDS is not one of the punishments, not necessarily because they don't deserve it, but because it is certainly unequal.

I think this is a good idea, we already pay for their housing, guarding, feeding, exercising etc., so why not this? It seems like a good investment in the bigger picture.

A question to you Bardock, do you think an AIDS infested, triple murderer name Bubba will bother to put on a condom before he forcibly sodomizes John "420" Dough?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not sure what that is, but the point is that no one deserves to be RAPED in Prison

Fixed for ya Mister!

Originally posted by Robtard
A question to you Bardock, do you think an AIDS infested, triple murderer name Bubba will bother to put on a condom before he forcibly sodomizes John "420" Dough?

No.

He'll have John "420" Dough, do it for him.

With his mouth.

I doubt the rapist will take time to apply the condom.

Still, not a bad idea.

Well I assume they'll buy the condoms themselves using the money, or 'credits' they earn from the work they do within prison. For instance making furniture: the prison can afford to give them an extremely measly wage - probably enough for two packs of ciggies and a porn mag a month, from the furniture that is sold to various companies.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Fixed for ya Mister! Yeah, different topic, but I agree.Originally posted by Robtard
I think this is a good idea, we already pay for their housing, guarding, feeding, exercising etc., so why not this? It seems like a good investment in the bigger picture.

A question to you Bardock, do you think an AIDS infested, triple murderer name Bubba will bother to put on a condom before he forcibly sodomizes John "420" Dough? No, which is why I included the point that i don't know whether it would help (implying that I think it won't).

Originally posted by Robtard
It was a rhetorical question; I only used Bardock's post as a segway to use the word "sodomy", but go on though...

That's all the further I can go.

You have to pay a monthly subscription to read the rest.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, which is why I included the point that i don't know whether it would help (implying that I think it won't).

It was rhetorical, see above. I used you as a springboard.

Originally posted by Robtard
It was rhetorical, see above. I used you as a springboard. Well, I figured that, though it might have been rhetorical, it needed answering regardless.

From a lot of reported extra marrital encounters in the nick we hear about, If you were a prison rapist about to rape someone who may already have been made the ***** of someone else already, I think it'd make sense to not risk that infection right there.
If it is a multiple-person-assisted rape, the more discerning rapist could possibly have the freinds restrain you - who are waiting in line, waiting to have the next go. Then hes got all the time, if not the inclination, to roll on a Johnny.

From what is known about prison rape, it seems to indicate that there is "power/position-biased raping" as well as "sexually biased raping"...

So would someone already going into such an act in a cold, considered, maybe even sexually removed manner gonna have two thoughts neccesarily about wrapping for safety...?

Maybe there is more sanity to this that it would initially seem on paper.

(See, I left the word sodomy clear for you, Robtard.... Use the phrase, at will lol )

Don't forget that it's not all rape in prison, relationships must surely also be formed.

And there's probably also lots of rapist that would like to protect themselves from STDs and would willingly put a condom on.


On a different note, can scissoring lesbians get AIDS from one another?

Gotta allow for that too, yes. (Both Bardock and Chill have points there)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Gotta allow for that too, yes. (Both Bardock and Chill have points there) Well, you basically made my point before...I just didn't read it.

Originally posted by Bardock42

On a different note, can scissoring lesbians get AIDS from one another?

Possible, yes. Probably, no.

Ill be willing to find out.
Lots of extensive research to be done, there, I feel.

Originally posted by Bardock42
On a different note, can scissoring lesbians get AIDS from one another? Yes they most definitely can.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
From a lot of reported extra marrital encounters in the nick we hear about, If you were a prison rapist about to rape someone who may already have been made the ***** of someone else already, I think it'd make sense to not risk that infection right there.
If it is a multiple-person-assisted rape, the more discerning rapist could possibly have the freinds restrain you - who are waiting in line, waiting to have the next go. Then hes got all the time, if not the inclination, to roll on a Johnny.

From what is known about prison rape, it seems to indicate that there is "power/position-biased raping" as well as "sexually biased raping"...

So would someone already going into such an act in a cold, considered, maybe even sexually removed manner gonna have two thoughts neccesarily about wrapping for safety...?

Maybe there is more sanity to this that it would initially seem on paper.

(See, I left the word sodomy clear for you, Robtard.... Use the phrase, at will lol )

Power-Biased Sodomy FTW! (it's still gay though)

lol I stand corrected....
Its true, that.........those farkers should really get their concepts/philosophies together while committing their sickening deeds..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Or they could recycle and make them from Chinese Hair-bands.
That should provide relief to those who are worried about what it's costing the taxpayers.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because people that smoked a joint deserve to get AIDS from a triple murderer called Bubba? Shit, I don't deserve that!

Holly crap, now I get mentality some people in this thread!

Its FINE for their tax money (which majority of people here don't pay, being 11 and all) to pay for killing whole nations and destroying countries, but GOD FORBID 0.00001% of that money goes to protecting people, or giving them a second chance.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Holly crap, now I get mentality some people in this thread!

Its FINE for their tax money (which majority of people here don't pay, being 11 and all) to pay for killing whole nations and destroying countries, but GOD FORBID 0.00001% of that money goes to protecting people, or giving them a second chance.

My Lord. I agree with the crazy one. IT'S THE APOCALYPSE!!!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because people that smoked a joint deserve to get AIDS from a triple murderer called Bubba?

It's not really about prisoner's rights. This is about preventing and stopping AIDS. That should take priority over Arnold's deluded ideals.

no.

If the guy's are getting it on willingly, it's their choice to do so. Since, sex is against the rules, they are taking the risks that come with their decsion to break the rules.

the whole rape thing is irrelevant to this thread. If Bubba's going to rape you, I don't think he's going to stop and put a condom on for your consideration. It's pretty logical to assume that if he's going to beat you bloody then anally rape you then he probably doesn't care if you get the clap, aids or any other disease.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
no.

If the guy's are getting it on willingly, it's their choice to do so. Since, sex is against the rules, they are taking the risks that come with their decsion to break the rules.

the whole rape thing is irrelevant to this thread. If Bubba's going to rape you, I don't think he's going to stop and put a condom on for your consideration. It's pretty logical to assume that if he's going to beat you bloody then anally rape you then he probably doesn't care if you get the clap, aids or any other disease.

QFT.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
no.

If the guy's are getting it on willingly, it's their choice to do so. Since, sex is against the rules, they are taking the risks that come with their decsion to break the rules.

the whole rape thing is irrelevant to this thread. If Bubba's going to rape you, I don't think he's going to stop and put a condom on for your consideration. It's pretty logical to assume that if he's going to beat you bloody then anally rape you then he probably doesn't care if you get the clap, aids or any other disease. Why is sex against the rules anyways?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why is sex against the rules anyways?

Because they're in prison to both be punished and rehabilitated, sodomizing your fellow inmates doesn't have anything to do with either of those aspects.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because they're in prison to both be punished and rehabilitated, sodomizing your fellow inmates doesn't have anything to do with either of those aspects. It could be rehabilitatng.


In a way it's also punishment.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It could be rehabilitatng.


In a way it's also punishment.

Wrong type of rehabilitation, as I doubt a murderer or thief would cease to kill or steal, because he got some ass in the pen.

Wrong type of punishment... though it might serve as a deterrent to an anally raped murderer or thief to not commit another crime and risk going back to prison, and another round of ass-rape. So you might have a point there.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong type of rehabilitation, as I doubt a murderer or thief would cease to kill or steal, because he got some ass in the pen.

Wrong type of punishment... though it might serve as a deterrent to an anally raped murderer or thief to not commit another crime and risk going back to prison, and another round of ass-rape. So you might have a point there.

They don't call it the "federal pound-me-in-the-as prison" for nothing.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because people that smoked a joint deserve to get AIDS from a triple murderer called Bubba?
Haha yeah

You think i'm joking? I hope to God most of you get aids. Let alone prisoners. Screw them LITTERALY!


Condoms feh.. they're lucky they're not slaves.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not sure what that is, but the point is that no one deserves being infected with AIDS. Not sure whether issuing condoms would help though, but if you put people in a secure place, stripping away their freedom, you should have the decency to ensure that getting AIDS is not one of the punishments, not necessarily because they don't deserve it, but because it is certainly unequal.

I think that covers what I was going to say adequately. I have never considered it, but it seems like a good idea to have the option.

Inmates should never have condemns. They'd float right out of there filling them up with helium by the hundreds........They'd all float away.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Inmates should never have condemns. They'd float right out of there filling them up with helium by the hundreds........They'd all float away.

It should be noted that inmates shouldn't condemn, either. Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Debs.

Originally posted by botankus
It should be noted that inmates shouldn't condemn, either. Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Debs.

No, no, no... pointing out 'the stupid' isn't your angle, your angle is to segway any conversation/topic into a football analogy.

Dear ole' Debs always calls for an exception.

CONDOMS

Better???

I want to go to Prison so I can get ANALLY BUTT RAPED for the rest of my life droolio

Put your mother on here. I'd like to have a word with her, tay?? LOL

Dreams are where reality meets.............A science, ya know.

Originally posted by InnerRise
I think it's a good idea. Eventually some inmates get released back into society and the lesser the AIDS the better.


Don't all inmates have some sort of account where they are able to purchase items once a week or so? I was under the impression that was so.

If this is the case, there is no reason why the inmates shouldn't pay for their own condoms.

Being a sergeant in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice and correctional officer for nearly 5 years now, my opinion is that inmates should not get condoms.

People, like Bardock did earlier in the thread, will always wonder why inmates, be they male or female, are not allowed to have sex whilst incarcerated. The answer is because, like Robtard said, prisons are for punitive and rehabilitation purposes, and sexual freedom is not productive to said purposes of a functioning penitentiary. Also, I might add, sexual freedom promotes power and corruption amongst inmates. It happens still, to this day, in the unti I work at, and the other corresponding units in my town (My hometown is the nerve center for TDCJ and has 14 prisons). Inmates will exert power and control over another and, more or less, pimp them out. This is where the Safe Prisons Program of the American Correctional Associaton comes in.

Inmates are going to have sex, regardless of it being consentual or flat-out rape. The STD rate, in Texas alone, has risen in the last 5 years tremendously. If we were to suddenly issue out condoms to inmates, the message we would send to each and every one of them would say "Here you go, guys. We give up. F*ck each others brains out and have a good time. Just remember to wear your jimmy hat!" We, the officers, have driven the point across to these criminals that there is no such thing as consentual sex while incarcerated. An inmate who intends to anally rape another inmate will not, I guarantee you, take the time to wear a condom.

Well, that speaks worlds. Hell, women hardly wait for you to put a condom on.

In jail, they would probably call you a punk for taking the time to put it on.

Originally posted by Impediment
Being a sergeant in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice and correctional officer for nearly 5 years now, my opinion is that inmates should not get condoms.

People, like Bardock did earlier in the thread, will always wonder why inmates, be they male or female, are not allowed to have sex whilst incarcerated. The answer is because, like Robtard said, prisons are for punitive and rehabilitation purposes, and sexual freedom is not productive to said purposes of a functioning penitentiary. Also, I might add, sexual freedom promotes power and corruption amongst inmates. It happens still, to this day, in the unti I work at, and the other corresponding units in my town (My hometown is the nerve center for TDCJ and has 14 prisons). Inmates will exert power and control over another and, more or less, pimp them out. This is where the Safe Prisons Program of the American Correctional Associaton comes in.

Inmates are going to have sex, regardless of it being consentual or flat-out rape. The STD rate, in Texas alone, has risen in the last 5 years tremendously. If we were to suddenly issue out condoms to inmates, the message we would send to each and every one of them would say "Here you go, guys. We give up. F*ck each others brains out and have a good time. Just remember to wear your jimmy hat!" We, the officers, have driven the point across to these criminals that there is no such thing as consentual sex while incarcerated. An inmate who intends to anally rape another inmate will not, I guarantee you, take the time to wear a condom. But you said yourself they still have sex and the STD rate has risen, apparently that approach doesn't work that well.

What would you think would be worse if inmates were allowed to have sex?

It happens anyway. I'm not sure a rule helps or deters.

Originally posted by chithappens
It happens anyway. I'm not sure a rule helps or deters. If that was the case condoms might be a reasonable idea.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But you said yourself they still have sex and the STD rate has risen, apparently that approach doesn't work that well.

What would you think would be worse if inmates were allowed to have sex?

If inmates were allowed to have sex, the rapes would occur 10 fold, pimping and prostitution rings would rise, and, because we have "dirty officers" who bring in money, drugs, tobacco, alcohol, etc., this would be an inherent danger to all of the other officers/employees who are not corrupted. If we gave them the freedom to act like they were not convicted felons, we would not be able to control them and we would be at great risk.

An inmate, at least, at my unit, who is convicted of rape, is given free world charges. For example, if an inmate, Bubba, we'll call him, *snaps* because he has to get him some ass, rapes poor Johnny 420, and gives him HIV, not only will he receive free world charges for murder, since he infected Johnny 420 with a deadly STD, he will also receive free world charges from a judge for rape.

We have to drive the point in to the thick, f*cking skulls of these criminals every damn day that rape will not be tolerated, and you will be, pardon the pun, royally f*cked if you do.

Originally posted by Impediment
If inmates were allowed to have sex, the rapes would occur 10 fold, pimping and prostitution rings would rise, and, because we have "dirty officers" who bring in money, drugs, tobacco, alcohol, etc., this would be an inherent danger to all of the other officers/employees who are not corrupted. If we gave them the freedom to act like they were not convicted felons, we would not be able to control them and we would be at great risk.

An inmate, at least, at my unit, who is convicted of rape, is given free world charges. For example, if an inmate, Bubba, we'll call him, *snaps* because he has to get him some ass, rapes poor Johnny 420, and gives him HIV, not only will he receive free world charges for murder, since he infected Johnny 420 with a deadly STD, he will also receive free world charges from a judge for rape.

We have to drive the point in to the thick, f*cking skulls of these criminals every damn day that rape will not be tolerated, and you will be, pardon the pun, royally f*cked if you do.

How would someone that has a life sentence care about that though? And how does it help Johnny 420?

Also, one could have the same rules and still give out condoms, what do you believe would happen if just condoms were given out?

Originally posted by Bardock42
How would someone that has a life sentence care about that though? And how does it help Johnny 420?

Also, one could have the same rules and still give out condoms, what do you believe would happen if just condoms were given out?

It does, actually, apply to someone with a life sentence who rapes another inmate and infects that individual with a deadly STD. That can, and has been, considered murder by some courts, and the death penalty will, most likely, be imposed.

It can help Johnny 420, also, because of the Safe Prisons Program. The primary focus for the Safe Prisons Program is to prevent and limit the number of offender on offender sexual assaults. The Safe Prisons Program has developed various strategies to educate offenders and correctional staff concerning the importance of preventing sexual assaults, extortion and offender physical assaults. One particular strategy is the process of offenders educating offenders (Peer Education) on sexual assault awareness. The Safe Prisons Program is responsible for database management regarding sexual assaults. The program also facilitates an agency wide assessment tool known as the (UCP) Unit Cultural Profile, to measure the institutional environment for staff and offender morale, professionalism, and communication.

In other words, we, the officers, are actually trying to help little Johnny 420 to not get his butthole flexed.

Originally posted by Impediment

In other words, we, the officers, are actually trying to help little Johnny 420 to not get his butthole flexed.


Well, I was hoping that would be done. But I think condoms are just an idea to maybe help the inmates as well as society as a whole.

Please believe me, I think that condoms are a great idea for ANY setting in our culture, beit penial or suburbia.

However, it's my opinion that condoms are a form of freedom that we cannot afford to give to convicted criminals. Thats does not mean, however, that an inmate will not steal rubber gloves, new or used, from correction/medical staff and use them for homemade condoms. It happens, sir.

Originally posted by Impediment
Please believe me, I think that condoms are a great idea for ANY setting in our culture, beit penial or suburbia.

However, it's my opinion that condoms are a form of freedom that we cannot afford to give to convicted criminals. Thats does not mean, however, that an inmate will not steal rubber gloves, new or used, from correction/medical staff and use them for homemade condoms. It happens, sir.

Well, it might have less to do with freedom and more with protecting inmates and society. Like you said they do use self made condoms in some cases and you also said that a rapist might even be charged with murder if he infects someone with HIV (not sure how far that is true, but for the sake of argument), that would even give Rapists a reason to use a condom. It might just outweigh the negative aspects, which I am not quite sure of anyways.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It might just outweigh the negative aspects, which I am not quite sure of anyways.

Such as?

Originally posted by Impediment
Such as?

T-that was my point. I am not sure of the negative aspects.

Originally posted by Bardock42
T-that was my point. I am not sure of the negative aspects.

Ah.

Originally posted by Impediment
It does, actually, apply to someone with a life sentence who rapes another inmate and infects that individual with a deadly STD. That can, and has been, considered murder by some courts, and the death penalty will, most likely, be imposed.

It can help Johnny 420, also, because of the Safe Prisons Program. The primary focus for the Safe Prisons Program is to prevent and limit the number of offender on offender sexual assaults. The Safe Prisons Program has developed various strategies to educate offenders and correctional staff concerning the importance of preventing sexual assaults, extortion and offender physical assaults. One particular strategy is the process of offenders educating offenders (Peer Education) on sexual assault awareness. The Safe Prisons Program is responsible for database management regarding sexual assaults. The program also facilitates an agency wide assessment tool known as the (UCP) Unit Cultural Profile, to measure the institutional environment for staff and offender morale, professionalism, and communication.

In other words, we, the officers, are actually trying to help little Johnny 420 to not get his butthole flexed.

Not saying you're lying or wrong, but I find that hard to believe. As infecting someone with HIV doesn't necessarily mean they'll die from the disease; it would be hard to convict someone of murder and give them the capital punishment , when the victim is still alive. Can you site a court case or ruling, I'm curious to see.

Why isn't the prison held liable for when a rape happens, when the inmates are under the care of the prison and it's faculty? Seems like a negligence lawsuit could be filed.

If the raped inmate doesn't press charges, can the legal system still charge the perpetrator with rape, if a corrections officer witness/walked on the the sodomy?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because people that smoked a joint deserve to get AIDS from a triple murderer called Bubba?

Simple answer... yes.

Same to drinkers then.

'Cause much more violence and horror goes down after a few drinks than with a spliff.

So aids for everyone, I guess.... hoorayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Seriously, either:

A) You've never smoked and therefore are judging and condemning the spliff smoker out of irrationality, considering its many positive effects..

B) You've just inadverantly confessed to a secret desire to get aids from big bubba.

or

C) You were kidding. (which I think you were)

Originally posted by Impediment
If inmates were allowed to have sex, the rapes would occur 10 fold, pimping and prostitution rings would rise, and, because we have "dirty officers" who bring in money, drugs, tobacco, alcohol, etc., this would be an inherent danger to all of the other officers/employees who are not corrupted. If we gave them the freedom to act like they were not convicted felons, we would not be able to control them and we would be at great risk.

What evidence is there that prohibiting sex among inmates reduces the incidents of prostitution and rape?

Since prostitution, rape, and sex are occurring among inmates now, it would not appear that you are not able to control them.




Originally posted by Impediment
An inmate, at least, at my unit, who is convicted of rape, is given free world charges. For example, if an inmate, Bubba, we'll call him, *snaps* because he has to get him some ass, rapes poor Johnny 420, and gives him HIV, not only will he receive free world charges for murder, since he infected Johnny 420 with a deadly STD, he will also receive free world charges from a judge for rape.

We have to drive the point in to the thick, f*cking skulls of these criminals every damn day that rape will not be tolerated, and you will be, pardon the pun, royally f*cked if you do.

If sex among inmates was not prohibited, and condoms were made available, then "Bubba" would have had protected sex with a consensual partner instead of raping "Johnny 420," and infecting him with HIV.

How many rapists say, "Now hold still while I put this rubber on?"

How many of em we can't say for sure, but there was a controversial case recorded over here (UK) where a rapist (Man outside prison raped woman) was given a lesser sentence for............using a condom... so it does actually happen.

Originally posted by botankus
How many rapists say, "Now hold still while I put this rubber on?"


Man you are one funny dude botankus

I can't believe the judge found his use of a rubber to be mitigating to his case......

Originally posted by botankus
How many rapists say, "Now hold still while I put this rubber on?"

Many rapists use condoms so that they do not leave semen in the victim.

Well, its not like it wasn't pushed heavily by the defence.

Our judges are a f***ing laughing stock over here now.

Thank Cherie Blair and her mates for that.

Originally posted by botankus
How many rapists say, "Now hold still while I put this rubber on?" Not sure, how many rapists do you know?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not sure, how many rapists do you know?

Other than PVS, none.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

...C) You were kidding. (which I think you were)




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Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
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