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Superman's an 100 in strength. What are these guys?

Count Nefaria

Sentry

Captain Marvel (DC)

Black Adam

Thor

Wonder Woman

Superboy (Conner)

Superboy/man Prime

Squadron Supreme Hyperion

Supreme Power Hyperion

All-Star Superman

King Hyperion

Immortal Hercules

Classic Juggernaut

Big Dumb Drax

Morg

Gladiator

Wonder Man

.

Originally posted by Photon009
Superman's an 100 in strength. What are these guys?

Count Nefaria=99

Sentry=80

Captain Marvel (DC)=99.9

Black Adam=99.9

Thor=85

Wonder Woman=99.9

Superboy (Conner)=20

Superboy/man Prime=100000 as superman prime

Squadron Supreme Hyperion

Supreme Power Hyperion

All-Star Superman=300

King Hyperion

Immortal Hercules=85

Classic Juggernaut=90

Big Dumb Drax=100

Morg=100

Gladiator=70

Wonder Man=75

That's the worst list ive ever seen.

Originally posted by Photon009
That's the worst list ive ever seen.

wow I actually agree


Soon as i get home from school Ill make mine

Morg stronger than Thor?

HA!

You mean if Superman is the baseline of 100 that all those characters are to be judged against or going by the "class 100" system?

I'll do Hyperion for Nvr.

Squadron Supreme Hyperion=65

Supreme Power Hyperion=40

King Hyperion=80

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I'll do Hyperion for Nvr.

Squadron Supreme Hyperion=65

Supreme Power Hyperion=40

King Hyperion=80 so long as you get it on tape, he'll be happy...

King Hyperion 5.

Originally posted by Creshosk
so long as you get it on tape, he'll be happy... Oh you nasty! ermm

Originally posted by Creshosk
so long as you get it on tape, he'll be happy...

Originally posted by Creshosk
so long as you get it on tape, he'll be happy...

Game, set, match.

Count Nefaria- No idea

Sentry- 30

Captain Marvel (DC) - 101

Black Adam- 101

Thor- 80

Wonder Woman- 86

Superboy (Conner)- 20

Superboy/man Prime- I dont have enough time to use the real figure so put is at about 1 million

Squadron Supreme Hyperion- Idk about hyperion

Supreme Power Hyperion- Idk about hyperion

All-Star Superman- 300

King Hyperion- Idk about hyperion

Immortal Hercules- 78

Classic Juggernaut- 90

Big Dumb Drax- 75

Morg- Idk

Gladiator- 70

Wonder Man- 40

If Superman's (gauged as) an 100 in strength. What are these guys (in comparison I presume) ?

Superboy/man Prime: 250 (as he can move planets and superman& WW & MM are needed to move moon)

All-Star Superman : 200 (not as powerful as superboy prime)

Darkseid: 99

Despero: 99

Captain Marvel (DC): 98

Black Adam: 98

Wonder Woman: 97 (not as strong as BA or CM)

Orion : 97

Super-girl: 95

Power-girl: 80

Martian Manhunter: 80

Superboy (Conner): 25

Wonder-girl: 25

Onslaught: 90

Destroyer: 90

Classic Juggernaut: 90

Enraged savage hulk: 90

Apocolypse: 85

Gladiator: 85

Thor: 85

Thanos: 85

Immortal Hercules (Marvel): 85

Morg : 85

Sentry: 85 (after his depiction of might in wwh#5)

Big Dumb Drax : 80

Count Nefaria: 80 (because able to stand toe to toe with thor)

Wonder Man: 80 (nearly as strong as Thor)

King Hyperion: 90

Squadron Supreme Hyperion: 80

Supreme Power Hyperion: 70

Namor (well hydrated) : 50

Abomination: 15

Colossus: 12

Thing: 10

Rhino: 8

you guys can use this: http://en.marveldatabase.com/Strength_Scale

Originally posted by ankur29
If Superman's (gauged as) an 100 in strength. What are these guys (in comparison I presume) ?

Superboy/man Prime: 250 (as he can move planets and superman& WW & MM are needed to move moon)

All-Star Superman : 200 (not as powerful as superboy prime)

Darkseid: 99

Despero: 99

Captain Marvel (DC): 98

Black Adam: 98

Wonder Woman: 97 (not as strong as BA or CM)

Orion : 97

Super-girl: 95

Power-girl: 80

Martian Manhunter: 80

Superboy (Conner): 25

Wonder-girl: 25

Onslaught: 90

Destroyer: 90

Classic Juggernaut: 90

Enraged savage hulk: 90

Apocolypse: 85

Gladiator: 85

Thor: 85

Thanos: 85

Immortal Hercules (Marvel): 85

Morg : 85

Sentry: 85 (after his depiction of might in wwh#5)

Big Dumb Drax : 80

Count Nefaria: 80 (because able to stand toe to toe with thor)

Wonder Man: 80 (nearly as strong as Thor)

King Hyperion: 90

Squadron Supreme Hyperion: 80

Supreme Power Hyperion: 70

Namor (well hydrated) : 50

Abomination: 15

Colossus: 12

Thing: 10

Rhino: 8

you guys can use this: http://en.marveldatabase.com/Strength_Scale
Superman moves planets on his own now...

wow not much love the the Hyperions on this forum any more. I guess ramming a character through a planet and then into star doesn't amount to much or killing every superpower character in several realilties either. or all the crazy crap superme power hyperion has done either.


Also I thing sentry should also be higher (his problem is that he doesn't do many strength feats at all)

Im not sure which list is the worst, Gecko's, Ankur's, or Nvr's...

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Superman moves planets on his own now...


wow that is pretty awsome but I still don't thing that puts him far and away from a lot of these guys.

Originally posted by Photon009
Im not sure which list is the worst, Gecko's, Ankur's, or Nvr's...

Personally, I can't wait to see yours.

Count Nefaria=95-100

Sentry=he's got a little strength feats, but he's impossible to place next to Supes.

Captain Marvel (DC)=100

Black Adam=100

Thor=90

Wonder Woman=90

Superboy (Conner)=60-70-ish

Superboy/man Prime=300 on... I guess.

Squadron Supreme Hyperion=sucks. 10th rate rip off.

Supreme Power Hyperion=OK character, but nothing grand.

All-Star Superman=300 apparently, however, it should be noted that it is an alternate universe...

King Hyperion=sucks. Overrated. Sucks.

Immortal Hercules=90... I guess...

Classic Juggernaut=110... although Juggernaut is tough to place, since a lot of his feats are using his durability to mount an attack. He could very well be way weaker than Superman for all I know, or care.

Big Dumb Drax=? Without the Power Gem he's got nothing really, and with it, he's got some, but nothing really spectacular as well. And yes, I do know a lot about the character.

Morg=80-90

Gladiator=95 on a good day

Wonder Man=70-ish-80-ish... although classic would probably get his ass kicked by Conner... maybe, maybe not though.

This is my list:

Count Nefaria - 150

Sentry - 140

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 102

Thor - 95

Wonder Woman - 75

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 130

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 98

Supreme Power Hyperion - 80

All-Star Superman - 175

King Hyperion - 135

Immortal Hercules - 95

Classic Juggernaut - 92

Big Dumb Drax - 105

Morg - 85

Gladiator - 102

Wonder Man - 70

Sentry:95-100

Thor:95-100

Wonder Woman: 70

Superboy/man Prime: 250

Squadron Supreme Hyperion:70

Supreme Power Hyperion:80

All-Star Superman:250

King Hyperion:100

Immortal Hercules:90

Gladiator:100 (with good confidence)

Thanos: 100

Originally posted by Photon009
This is my list:

Count Nefaria - 150

Sentry - 140

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 102

Thor - 95

Wonder Woman - 75

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 130

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 98

Supreme Power Hyperion - 80

All-Star Superman - 175

King Hyperion - 135

Immortal Hercules - 95

Classic Juggernaut - 92

Big Dumb Drax - 105

Morg - 85

Gladiator - 102

Wonder Man - 70 You should be dim makked just for that.

No wwh?

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
No wwh? The last thing (besides Hyperion because he sucks) that needs to be added to this thread is any Hulk.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
No wwh?

23.5 pages.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
The last thing (besides Hyperion because he sucks) that needs to be added to this thread is any Hulk.


Thought this was supposed to be based on Strength not if you like the character or not.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Thought this was supposed to be based on Strength not if you like the character or not. Because you can't really place Hulk next to Superman.
Plus, some people would say 20, and some would say 1 million.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
The last thing (besides Hyperion because he sucks) that needs to be added to this thread is any Hulk.

no bais at all towards hyperion

Originally posted by jasofisc
no bais at all towards hyperion If Insane Genis (an appropriate name for him) wants to overrate him, I'll underrate him just to piss him off.

Originally posted by Photon009
This is my list:

Count Nefaria - 150

Sentry - 140

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 102

Thor - 95

Wonder Woman - 75

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 130

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 98

Supreme Power Hyperion - 80

All-Star Superman - 175

King Hyperion - 135

Immortal Hercules - 95

Classic Juggernaut - 92

Big Dumb Drax - 105

Morg - 85

Gladiator - 102

Wonder Man - 70

Hypocrite.

Originally posted by Photon009
This is my list:

Count Nefaria - 150

Sentry - 140

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 102

Thor - 95

Wonder Woman - 75

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 130

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 98

Supreme Power Hyperion - 80

All-Star Superman - 175

King Hyperion - 135

Immortal Hercules - 95

Classic Juggernaut - 92

Big Dumb Drax - 105

Morg - 85

Gladiator - 102

Wonder Man - 70 Originally posted by Photon009
That's the worst list ive ever seen.

wonder woman , captain marvel & black adam are roughly equal and far stornger than anyone from marvel on those lists 'sentry,thor,herc' etc...sheesh they can lift at near superman levels

superman 100
captain marvel /Black adam ( are exactly equal but slightly less than supes) so say 99
wonderwoman is very close aswell 98

and since when can superman move planets on his own again (is this the current superman of new erath), i dont want to sound challenging but i am asking cos i am unsure

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
If Insane Genis (an appropriate name for him) wants to overrate him, I'll underrate him just to piss him off.

oh ok that makes more since while he may not be glactus level he's still pretty darn strong (with in superman's class not above)

Sentry is nowhere to Supes. Maybe he was impressive in 1 issue, but he couldn't even stop a shield helicarrier. He hasn't had much impressive feats as Superman.

Originally posted by jasofisc
oh ok that makes more since while he may not be glactus level he's still pretty darn strong (with in superman's class not above) I'll give him his little props when Photard gets banned.

Originally posted by ankur29
wonder woman , captain marvel & black adam are roughly equal and far stornger than anyone from marvel on those lists 'sentry,thor,herc' etc...sheesh they can lift at near superman levels , and can proably move planets then:

therefore

superman 100
captain marvel /Black adam ( are exactly equal but slightly less than supes) so say 99
wonderwoman is very close aswell 98

and since when can superman move planets on his own again (is this the current superman of new erath), i dont want to sound challenging but i am asking cos i am unsure

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Because you can't really place Hulk next to Superman.
Plus, some people would say 20, and some would say 1 million.


He is still one of the strongest in marvel that should get him a spot on the list but you can hold Wonderman next to superman and not hulk?

Originally posted by Rewmac
Sentry is nowhere to Supes. Maybe he was impressive in 1 issue, but he couldn't even stop a shield helicarrier. He hasn't had much impressive feats as Superman.

well he also hasn't been around as long as supers either

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
He is still one of the strongest in marvel that should get him a spot on the list but you can hold Wonderman next to superman and not hulk? Wonderman doesn't have wildly different showings.

Plus, there's no WWH, because there's no WWH. He doesn't have to be in every thread involving strength.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Sentry is nowhere to Supes. Maybe he was impressive in 1 issue, but he couldn't even stop a shield helicarrier. He hasn't had much impressive feats as Superman.

Yea, and Superman has trouble holding the Daily Planet Globe. You're such an idiot.

Originally posted by Photon009
Yea, and Superman has trouble holding the Daily Planet Globe. You're such an idiot. Even though I've never seen that... Superman has about 100 lifting showings negating that. Sentry has none... none to write his feat off as pis.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Even though I've never seen that... Superman has about 100 lifting showings negating that. Sentry has none... none to write his feat off as pis.

Yes, he does. And though he may not have as many as Superman since Supes has been around so long, he does have better ones. Beating Terrax that easily, something Supes could never do. Destroying MULTIPLE PLANETS in a fight with Photon, something Supes could never do and has never done. Stalemating WWH, who simply stepped on the ground angrily, and caused the world to tremble. Oneshotting Attuma, stalemating the Collective, defeating the Void, etc all better than Superman's feats. And most importantly, Sentry does this stuff on average. Superman's average sucks, he's just totally overrated on this board it's ridiculous.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Wonderman doesn't have wildly different showings.

Plus, there's no WWH, because there's no WWH. He doesn't have to be in every thread involving strength.

I get what you saying I have gotten tired of him showing up in every thread as well but its seems a thread measuring or comparing physical strength would naturally have the hulk in it.

Originally posted by Photon009
Yes, he does. And though he may not have as many as Superman since Supes has been around so long, he does have better ones. Beating Terrax that easily, something Supes could never do. Destroying MULTIPLE PLANETS in a fight with Photon, something Supes could never do and has never done. Stalemating WWH, who simply stepped on the ground angrily, and caused the world to tremble. Oneshotting Attuma, stalemating the Collective, defeating the Void, etc all better than Superman's feats. And most importantly, Sentry does this stuff on average. Superman's average sucks, he's just totally overrated on this board it's ridiculous. I said lifting feats genius.
If we used your logic, Iron Fist can lift a hundred tons.

Originally posted by Photon009
Yes, he does. And though he may not have as many as Superman since Supes has been around so long, he does have better ones. Beating Terrax that easily, something Supes could never do. Destroying MULTIPLE PLANETS in a fight with Photon, something Supes could never do and has never done. Stalemating WWH, who simply stepped on the ground angrily, and caused the world to tremble. Oneshotting Attuma, stalemating the Collective, defeating the Void, etc all better than Superman's feats. And most importantly, Sentry does this stuff on average. Superman's average sucks, he's just totally overrated on this board it's ridiculous. Dunno about the rest but Sentry didn't stalemate the Hulk that caused half the USA to quake with a step...He stalemated a weaker Hulk because Hulk didn't get angry and strong enough to do that until after the fight.

Originally posted by Photon009
Yes, he does. And though he may not have as many as Superman since Supes has been around so long, he does have better ones. Beating Terrax that easily, something Supes could never do. Destroying MULTIPLE PLANETS in a fight with Photon, something Supes could never do and has never done. Stalemating WWH, who simply stepped on the ground angrily, and caused the world to tremble. Oneshotting Attuma, stalemating the Collective, defeating the Void, etc all better than Superman's feats. And most importantly, Sentry does this stuff on average. Superman's average sucks, he's just totally overrated on this board it's ridiculous.



Good point but people dont see it like that, they think superman can go the speed of light and theres no speed feat indicating this. All I have is this:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8669/jla02114bq7.jpg
and this
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/JLA1420.jpg

and a recent bio of superman thats only stating that he can go the speed of sound.

If we only go by lifting feats and ignore combat showings, wouldn't that mean Mangog would only be a 1 to Superman's 100; after all, I don't think he has any real lifting feats.

Originally posted by Photon009
Superman's an 100 in strength. What are these guys?

Count Nefaria

Sentry

Captain Marvel (DC)

Black Adam

Thor

Wonder Woman

Superboy (Conner)

Superboy/man Prime

Squadron Supreme Hyperion

Supreme Power Hyperion

All-Star Superman

King Hyperion

Immortal Hercules

Classic Juggernaut

Big Dumb Drax

Morg

Gladiator

Wonder Man

No Hulk ? I'm disappointed....

Originally posted by carver9


Good point but people dont see it like that, they think superman can go the speed of light and theres no speed feat indicating this. All I have is this:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8669/jla02114bq7.jpg
and this
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/JLA1420.jpg

and a recent bio of superman thats only stating that he can go the speed of sound.

Um and how does Superman travel to all of those worlds saving people if he can only go the speed of light? do you know how long it would take him to get there? And When Dr. Light said Superman wasn't faster than Light, He meant superman wasn't faster than HIMSELF as in he's not faster than Me. And there is n't a bio that says superman can only go the speed of sound. Rediculous. Superman and flash had a foot race on the ground and where going something like 20k an hour.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If we only go by lifting feats and ignore combat showings, wouldn't that mean Mangog would only be a 1 to Superman's 100; after all, I don't think he has any real lifting feats. I'm just saying, Sentry has nothing to write off the Helicarrier feat as pis.

He also doesn't have too many strength feats.
How strong he is compared to Superman is still up in the air... he needs more showings against top tier bricks... or Thor.

Yes, the WWH feats are good, but in some of the battle, he was also shooting some of his special juice at Huc.

Slippyfist: um u put sentry as stronger than Captain Marvel & Black Adam!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um and how does Superman travel to all of those worlds saving people if he can only go the speed of light? do you know how long it would take him to get there? And When Dr. Light said Superman wasn't faster than Light, He meant superman wasn't faster than HIMSELF as in he's not faster than Me. And there is n't a bio that says superman can only go the speed of sound. Rediculous. Superman and flash had a foot race on the ground and where going something like 20k an hour.

Its in the dc encyclopedia, its good to buy one. Answer this for me. Do you think that vulcan, the summers brother can go faster than the speed of light also because he flown from earth to the shiar empire which is in another solar system in less then a week. I dont think that he can but I use common sense, if your flying through a place that has no gravity to slow you down, theres no telling how fast you can go, which is what superman has to his advantage when flying in space. You have no on panel feats of superman flying on earth at the speed of light. Dont say that comic characters dont go that fast on earth because for 1 north star has done it and gladiator has done it, on panel, theres proof that they were going that fast.

I have two on panel proof saying otherwise, can you show me something on panel where superman is flying and it is saying that he going the speed of light, not you caculating.

Originally posted by ankur29
Slippyfist: um u put sentry as stronger than Captain Marvel & Black Adam! Wat?

Originally posted by Photon009
This is my list:

Count Nefaria - 150

Sentry - 140

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 102

Thor - 95

Wonder Woman - 75

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 130

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 98

Supreme Power Hyperion - 80

All-Star Superman - 175

King Hyperion - 135

Immortal Hercules - 95

Classic Juggernaut - 92

Big Dumb Drax - 105

Morg - 85

Gladiator - 102

Wonder Man - 70

LMFAO

Any you called my list bad?

LMFAO!!!!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Its in the dc encyclopedia, its good to buy one. Answer this for me. Do you think that vulcan, the summers brother can go faster than the speed of light also because he flown from earth to the shiar empire which is in another solar system in less then a week. I dont think that he can but I use common sense, if your flying through a place that has no gravity to slow you down, theres no telling how fast you can go, which is what superman has to his advantage when flying in space. You have no on panel feats of superman flying on earth at the speed of light. Dont say that comic characters dont go that fast on earth because for 1 north star has done it and gladiator has done it, on panel, theres proof that they were going that fast.

I have two on panel proof saying otherwise, can you show me something on panel where superman is flying and it is saying that he going the speed of light, not you caculating.


Are you saying that people that can fly in space have unlimited speed? I have the dictionary and it is just at good at giving a back drop of the character's overarching story. When you want feats you go to the comics. No dictionary will be truely accurate because no dictionary is truely up to date. If anyone other than people with the speedforce went light speed on earth and hit something the planet would turn to dust. Here like in high school physics: A marshmellow hitting the earth at 99 % the speed of light is like a couple of nukes going off. Supes is at least 20-30 times faster than light. The the only reason he is limited to even that is because the Flash exists.

Originally posted by Decimus
Are you saying that people that can fly in space have unlimited speed? I have the dictionary and it is just at good at giving a back drop of the character's overarching story. When you want feats you go to the comics. No dictionary will be truely accurate because no dictionary is truely up to date. If anyone other than people with the speedforce went light speed on earth and hit something the planet would turn to dust. Here like in high school physics: A marshmellow hitting the earth at 99 % the speed of light is like a couple of nukes going off. Supes is at least 20-30 times faster than light. The the only reason he is limited to even that is because the Flash exists.

Show me a scan of it saying that superman was or can even go that fast besides in space. Going by your logic everyone in comics can go faster than the speed of light.

*Thor flown from earth to the moon in 1 panel and knocked the hell out of surfer.
*Iron man kept up with sentry and flew from earth to the sun in 2 panels.
* Ms. marvel flew from earth to the skrull planet in like 5 panels and the skrulls is almost a solar system away.
* Vulcan flew from earth to the shiar empire in less then a week and the shiar IS in another solar system, so that means that vulcan can move 1000's of times the speed of light.
* Nova flew from earth to the moon in two panels.
* Rogue traveled from earth 2 the moon in 2 panels and she has also flown with surfer.

I dont think that any of these people could go react or go anywhere near the speed of light (except maybe thor could fly the speed of light due to mjolnir granting its host almost unlimited power and it has been stated on panel that thor can fly the speed of light MORE THEN ONCE). But I see it like this, if your using superman intergalactic flight feats then I also think that you should use other heros and in that case vulcan speed>>>>>>>>>>>anything superman has ever recently done. Gladiator speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>almost anything superman have recently done since he has flown further and done it faster. Nova>>>>>superman since he travels through space and make it places in a small difference of time. So all of the above can speed blitz superman, which I dont think that they could do.

Forum logic sucks.Space dont take away from your speed, if theres no gravity weighing you down, you should be able to move tremendously fast.

wow

Originally posted by carver9
Show me a scan of it saying that superman was or can even go that fast besides in space. Going by your logic everyone in comics can go faster than the speed of light.

*Thor flown from earth to the moon in 1 panel and knocked the hell out of surfer.
*Iron man kept up with sentry and flew from earth to the sun in 2 panels.
* Ms. marvel flew from earth to the skrull planet in like 5 panels and the skrulls is almost a solar system away.
* Vulcan flew from earth to the shiar empire in less then a week and the shiar IS in another solar system, so that means that vulcan can move 1000's of times the speed of light.
* Nova flew from earth to the moon in two panels.
* Rogue traveled from earth 2 the moon in 2 panels and she has also flown with surfer.

I dont think that any of these people could go react or go anywhere near the speed of light (except maybe thor could fly the speed of light due to mjolnir granting its host almost unlimited power and it has been stated on panel that thor can fly the speed of light MORE THEN ONCE). But I see it like this, if your using superman intergalactic flight feats then I also think that you should use other heros and in that case vulcan speed>>>>>>>>>>>anything superman has ever recently done. Gladiator speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>almost anything superman have recently done since he has flown further and done it faster. Nova>>>>>superman since he travels through space and make it places in a small difference of time. So all of the above can speed blitz superman, which I dont think that they could do.

Forum logic sucks.Space dont take away from your speed, if theres no gravity weighing you down, you should be able to move tremendously fast.

Just so that you understand what Im saying, I dont think that either of these opponents are faster than superman. I know that superman is faster but I was just giving examples of flight speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Its in the dc encyclopedia, its good to buy one. Answer this for me. Do you think that vulcan, the summers brother can go faster than the speed of light also because he flown from earth to the shiar empire which is in another solar system in less then a week. I dont think that he can but I use common sense, if your flying through a place that has no gravity to slow you down, theres no telling how fast you can go, which is what superman has to his advantage when flying in space. You have no on panel feats of superman flying on earth at the speed of light. Dont say that comic characters dont go that fast on earth because for 1 north star has done it and gladiator has done it, on panel, theres proof that they were going that fast.

I have two on panel proof saying otherwise, can you show me something on panel where superman is flying and it is saying that he going the speed of light, not you caculating.

Superman flies from Earth to Rao in seconds:

Originally posted by Rorschach
Survives going through a red sun after exposure to kryptonite.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4220/scan0022ej4.th.jpghttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1031/scan0023ca2.th.jpghttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9278/scan0024mg6.th.jpg

This is also a speed feat because Rao is at least 2.3 Million Light-Years away from the Earth, as it's in the Andromeda Galaxy.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3532/smbr0916pp9.th.jpg

Satisfied?

superman light speed:http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4420/movinglightaf4.jpg

Originally posted by ankur29
superman light speed:http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4420/movinglightaf4.jpg

I didnt see anything stating that he is going the speed of light. I see someone asking him "How fast do you THINK youre going, the speed of light."

Originally posted by carver9
I didnt see anything stating that he is going the speed of light. I see someone asking him "How fast do you THINK youre going, the speed of light."

Do ou read superman comics?How can you read them and notknow that superman goes waaaay beyond the speed of light?

So, basically, by your logic,anyone that goes lightspeedin space doesn't count? S in other words, I can throw a rock in space and it will accelarate to speeds fast enough to get t the andrmeda galaxy in a few minutes? A vacuum doesn't equal infinite speed.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Superman flies from Earth to Rao in seconds:



Satisfied?

You just dont get it do you, like I said before, vulcan must can move waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster then the speed of light since he flown to another solar system in less then a week IN SPACE, let me type it again, IN SPACE, IN SPACE, IN SPACE. Vulcan earth speed feats suck. He has no light speed reaction. Iron flown from the earth to the sun in two panels, IN SPACE, WHERE THERE IS NO GRAVITY, but on earth his speed feats suck and we all know that he cant go anywhere near the speed of light. Do you not understand that its a comic, it was meant for superboy prime to go down like that, that was basically the only way to bring him down. Do you think that they would waste space and time drawing out superman or any other character flying to this planet to the other instead of just using a couple of panels to do it.

Ok, this is something else to think about. Flash is considered the fastest being in dc. Flash has a power called the speed force. In order to bring this power into surface he has to go the speed of light. This feat takes time for flash to do. So since flash is the fastest being in dc and his top speed is the speed of light, anything faster brings up the speed force, but you all are showing me space flight where you are presuming that superman is going way above the speed of light, Im guessing that superman is faster then the flash.

Originally posted by Photon009
This is my list:

Count Nefaria - 150

Sentry - 140

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 102

Thor - 95

Wonder Woman - 75

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 130

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 98

Supreme Power Hyperion - 80

All-Star Superman - 175

King Hyperion - 135

Immortal Hercules - 95

Classic Juggernaut - 92

Big Dumb Drax - 105

Morg - 85

Gladiator - 102

Wonder Man - 70
hysterical crylaugh

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it do you, like I said before, vulcan must can move waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster then the speed of light since he flown to another solar system in less then a week IN SPACE, let me type it again, IN SPACE, IN SPACE, IN SPACE. Vulcan earth speed feats suck. He has no light speed reaction. Iron flown from the earth to the sun in two panels, IN SPACE, WHERE THERE IS NO GRAVITY, but on earth his speed feats suck and we all know that he cant go anywhere near the speed of light. Do you not understand that its a comic, it was meant for superboy prime to go down like that, that was basically the only way to bring him down. Do you think that they would waste space and time drawing out superman or any other character flying to this planet to the other instead of just using a couple of panels to do it.

Ok, this is something else to think about. Flash is considered the fastest being in dc. Flash has a power called the speed force. In order to bring this power into surface he has to go the speed of light. This feat takes time for flash to do. So since flash is the fastest being in dc and his top speed is the speed of light, anything faster brings up the speed force, but you all are showing me space flight where you are presuming that superman is going way above the speed of light, Im guessing that superman is faster then the flash.

You do realize that the andromeda galaxy is way farther away from earth than any other solar system within our galaxy, right? Do you know the diference between a galaxy and a solar system? Superman went from galaxy to galaxy 23.5 lightyears in a few minutes. It took vulcan a week to transverse a solar system.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Do ou read superman comics?How can you read them and notknow that superman goes waaaay beyond the speed of light?

So, basically, by your logic,anyone that goes lightspeedin space doesn't count? S in other words, I can throw a rock in space and it will accelarate to speeds fast enough to get t the andrmeda galaxy in a few minutes? A vacuum doesn't equal infinite speed.

Who dont read superman comics but that dont have anything to do with it. If you are using superman going through space as a speed feat, then you should use it for the rest of the characters. So with that said, classic rogue, vulcan, iron man, nova, etc.... can go the speed of light since they did it in space.

Writers say that he goes the speed of sound, on panel feats dont say that he goes the speed of light, you know, like when flash is running and the narrator says how fast he going. The only thing that you all are basing your speed feat off of IS intergalactic travel which almost any character that can breath in space with flight has done. The sad thing about the superman prime feat is that when both of the superman flew to oa to catch up with superboy prime, they had other hero's behind them, so that mean that almost everyone that was flying with superman can go faster than the speed of light.

Your logic dont make any sense.

Originally posted by carver9
Who dont read superman comics but that dont have anything to do with it. If you are using superman going through space as a speed feat, then you should use it for the rest of the characters. So with that said, classic rogue, vulcan, iron man, nova, etc.... can go the speed of light since they did it in space.

If they have all done it numerous times and there were no indications of outside help or contradictions in their powersets, then yes. They are capable of doing so. I highly doubt Ironman could though.

Originally posted by carver9
Writers say that he goes the speed of sound, on panel feats dont say that he goes the speed of light, you know, like when flash is running and the narrator says how fast he going.

Byrnes said that superman went the speed of sound. Not taking into account that byrnes superman was retconned out of existance... this was all in nineties.

Originally posted by carver9
The only thing that you all are basing your speed feat off of IS intergalactic travel which almost any character that can breath in space with flight has done.

First you say that superman can only go the speed of sound... then you say that every character that can breath in space has travelled intergalactic distances... Wow, I didn't know that the hulk could fly... because by your logic he can fly intergalactic distances because he can breath in space...

Originally posted by carver9
The sad thing about the superman prime feat is that when both of the superman flew to oa to catch up with superboy prime, they had other hero's behind them, so that mean that almost everyone that was flying with superman can go faster than the speed of light.

Show me where all the heroes were right behind superman. The only ones that I saw were a kryptonian (powergirl), mm, and alot of gls. Every one of those except mm, by definition can go ftl.

Originally posted by carver9
Your logic dont make any sense.

Yeah. Okay.

Originally posted by Sirius77
If they have all done it numerous times and there were no indications of outside help or contradictions in their powersets, then yes. They are capable of doing so. I highly doubt Ironman could though.



Byrnes said that superman went the speed of sound. Not taking into account that byrnes superman was retconned out of existance... this was all in nineties.



First you say that superman can only go the speed of sound... then you say that every character that can breath in space has travelled intergalactic distances... Wow, I didn't know that the hulk could fly... because by your logic he can fly intergalactic distances because he can breath in space...



Show me where all the heroes were right behind superman. The only ones that I saw were a kryptonian (powergirl), mm, and alot of gls. Every one of those except mm, by definition can go ftl.



Yeah. Okay.

Im not referring to the nineties, this was last year when brian azzarello stated that superman can only go 2000mps.

My bad, I seem to type my words wrong, I was saying that majority of the beings that can fly outside of space has flown millions of miles in short distances. So basically there are faster than light characters all through comics. Well when someone put up a gladiator and superman fight Im going to say that gladiator speed blitz superman since he has flown further in shorter periods of time and it was stated ON PANEL that he has enough speed to keep up with the surfer. Space fight means jack and thats what I want you to understand, unless again rogue and iron man can go faster than the speed of light and vulcan>>>>>>>>wonderwoman and martian manhunter in speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not referring to the nineties, this was last year when brian azzarello stated that superman can only go 2000mps.]

Sill before ic.

Originally posted by carver9
My bad, I seem to type my words wrong, I was saying that majority of the beings that can fly outside of space has flown millions of miles in short distances. So basically there are faster than light characters all through comics. Well when someone put up a gladiator and superman fight Im going to say that gladiator speed blitz superman since he has flown further in shorter periods of time and it was stated ON PANEL that he has enough speed to keep up with the surfer. Space fight means jack and thats what I want you to understand, unless again rogue and iron man can go faster than the speed of light and vulcan>>>>>>>>wonderwoman and martian manhunter in speed.

Vulcan manipulaes all energy, it makes sens that he wouldbe faster.

But superman has proven himself to be ftl. Are you from cbr?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Sill before ic.



Vulcan manipulaes all energy, it makes sens that he wouldbe faster.

But superman has proven himself to be ftl. Are you from cbr? no, he's from around here... He likes wolverine but doesn't seem too knowledgable about superman...

Count Nefaria - 95

Sentry - 75

Captain Marvel (DC) - 95-100

Black Adam - 95-100

Thor - 95-100

Wonder Woman - 80

Superboy (Conner) - 75

Superboy/man Prime - 150

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - ?

Supreme Power Hyperion - ?

All-Star Superman 120ish

King Hyperion - ?

Immortal Hercules - 95-100

Classic Juggernaut - 120ish

Big Dumb Drax - With Pg? 100ish

Morg - ?

Gladiator - 95

Wonder Man - 60

Originally posted by Larceny
Count Nefaria - 95

Sentry - 75

Captain Marvel (DC) - 95-100

Black Adam - 95-100

Thor - 95-100

Wonder Woman - 80

Superboy (Conner) - 75

Superboy/man Prime - 150

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - ?

Supreme Power Hyperion - ?

All-Star Superman 120ish

King Hyperion - ?

Immortal Hercules - 95-100

Classic Juggernaut - 120ish

Big Dumb Drax - With Pg? 100ish

Morg - ?

Gladiator - 95

Wonder Man - 60

How the hell do you have Superboy at 75 and wonder woman at 80,l when supergirl has shown to be superior to Superboy plenty, but she's under Wonder Woman by a large amount. you ahve classic juggernaut at 120 when he doesn't have any strength feats to suggest that. his durablity is NOT his strength. Wonder Woman was on panel over powering immortal herc,. He also has no feats like superman. You have all star superman at 120 ish? his strength feats dwarf classic juggernauts. You my sir, are very BIASED.

Originally posted by Photon009
Superman's an 100 in strength. What are these guys?

Count Nefaria - 95-100

Sentry - 85-90

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 100

Thor -90 to 95

Wonder Woman - 85 to 90, but most certainly closer to 90.

Superboy (Conner) - 80

Superboy/man Prime - 200

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - Don't care.

Supreme Power Hyperion - Don't care.

All-Star Superman - 300

King Hyperion - Lollerskates!

Immortal Hercules - 90(he should be the strongest person on the list, but he's not imo.

Classic Juggernaut - 85 - The fact that you couldn't stop him is what really makes him a threat.

Big Dumb Drax - He's got the ripping a star feat iirc, but aside from that meh. 90.

Morg - More energy than brawn i'd say...85 squarely.

Gladiator - 96 squarely.

Wonder Man - 80

Superman isn't a league above guys like Thor.

Stronger by a shade sure, but nothing drastic.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not referring to the nineties, this was last year when brian azzarello stated that superman can only go 2000mps.

And on-panel it was stated that Superman was moving over 2000mps.

Originally posted by carver9
unless again rogue and iron man can go faster than the speed of light

Post scans of them moving FTL.

Originally posted by carver9


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8669/jla02114bq7.jpg
and this
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/JLA1420.jpg

In the first scan, Dr. Light is referring to the speed that Superman was moving at the time when he removed Parasite from the battlefield.

The 2nd scan is over 8 years old.

Also, Superman was moving FTL in space, in the following pages. According to you, Superman can do this even though he can't truly move faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
and a recent bio of superman thats only stating that he can go the speed of sound.

Online bios aren't reliable.

also, re: the dr light thing...

its the same writer who had panther put surfer in an armbar... he isnt exactly the most credible of sources...

Originally posted by carver9
Do you think that vulcan, the summers brother can go faster than the speed of light also because he flown from earth to the shiar empire which is in another solar system in less then a week.

Yes.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think that he can but I use common sense, if your flying through a place that has no gravity to slow you down, theres no telling how fast you can go, which is what superman has to his advantage when flying in space.

Objects don't magically start moving FTL in space.

Originally posted by carver9
You have no on panel feats of superman flying on earth at the speed of light. Dont say that comic characters dont go that fast on earth because for 1 north star has done it and gladiator has done it, on panel, theres proof that they were going that fast.

If I recall correctly, Northstar was moving at 99.9% the speed of light , while Gladiator was moving at near light-speed while he was on Earth.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How the hell do you have Superboy at 75 and wonder woman at 80,l when supergirl has shown to be superior to Superboy plenty, but she's under Wonder Woman by a large amount. you ahve classic juggernaut at 120 when he doesn't have any strength feats to suggest that. his durablity is NOT his strength. Wonder Woman was on panel over powering immortal herc,. He also has no feats like superman. You have all star superman at 120 ish? his strength feats dwarf classic juggernauts. You my sir, are very BIASED.

Because Wonder Woman isn't that strong. At least when compared to the more Elite herald level characters.

Yes, because Cain has dominated characters with proficient strength, and was shown capable of stalemating WWH.

Which isn't cannon.

Immortal Hercules and Superman are relatively peers in strength. Punching through dimensional rifts/barriers, and planetary level arm wrestling matches are fairly impressive.

Nothing to do with bias.

WW >>>> Hyperion in strength.

Originally posted by carver9
Going by your logic everyone in comics can go faster than the speed of light.

Only people who have FTL showings.

Originally posted by carver9
*Thor flown from earth to the moon in 1 panel and knocked the hell out of surfer.

There was no time-frame.

It takes light less than 2 seconds to reach the Moon from the Earth.

Originally posted by carver9
*Iron man kept up with sentry and flew from earth to the sun in 2 panels.

No time-frame.

Also, IIRC, Iron Man stayed somewhere near the Earth while Sentry flew to the Sun, alone.

Originally posted by carver9
* Ms. marvel flew from earth to the skrull planet in like 5 panels and the skrulls is almost a solar system away.

She's faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
* Vulcan flew from earth to the shiar empire in less then a week and the shiar IS in another solar system, so that means that vulcan can move 1000's of times the speed of light.

He's faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
* Nova flew from earth to the moon in two panels.

No time-frame given.

And again, unless you reach the Moon in less than two seconds, you're not faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
* Rogue traveled from earth 2 the moon in 2 panels and she has also flown with surfer.

No time-frame given.

And, you didn't state speed Surfer was moving at when Rouge was keeping up.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think that any of these people could go react or go anywhere near the speed of light

Even though some of them have showings that put them above light-speed...

Originally posted by carver9
But I see it like this, if your using superman intergalactic flight feats then I also think that you should use other heros

That is what people should be doing.

Originally posted by carver9
vulcan speed>>>>>>>>>>>anything superman has ever recently done.

Vulcan took more than a week to reach another solar system/Galaxy.

Superman has flown back from another solar system in a matter of minutes, and he flew to another Galaxy in a couple of hours, at most.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>almost anything superman have recently done since he has flown further and done it faster.

Gladiator's best speed feat is flying several light-years in minutes (or was it seconds?), that's similar to Superman's feat in Countdown and IC.

Originally posted by carver9
Nova>>>>>superman since he travels through space and make it places in a small difference of time.

Flying light-years in minutes>flying from the Earth to the Moon

Originally posted by carver9
So all of the above can speed blitz superman, which I dont think that they could do.

Most of them could keep up with him .

Originally posted by carver9
Space dont take away from your speed, if theres no gravity weighing you down, you should be able to move tremendously fast.

Things accelerate when in space, but don't simply reach the speed of light because they're in space.

Oh and just for the hell of it.

Superman >>>> Huc.

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it do you, like I said before, vulcan must can move waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster then the speed of light since he flown to another solar system in less then a week IN SPACE, let me type it again, IN SPACE, IN SPACE, IN SPACE.

He's FTL.

Originally posted by carver9
Vulcan earth speed feats suck. He has no light speed reaction.

Because in comics, characters aren't always operating at 100%.

Originally posted by carver9
Iron flown from the earth to the sun in two panels, IN SPACE, WHERE THERE IS NO GRAVITY, but on earth his speed feats suck and we all know that he cant go anywhere near the speed of light.

There was no time-frame given.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you not understand that its a comic, it was meant for superboy prime to go down like that, that was basically the only way to bring him down.

Or, certain characters could have just simulated red sun radiation while everyone else just beat the hell out of him.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you think that they would waste space and time drawing out superman or any other character flying to this planet to the other instead of just using a couple of panels to do it.

Doesn't matter how many panels it took for them to reach Rao. They reached Rao faster than anything moving at the speed of light could.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, this is something else to think about. Flash is considered the fastest being in dc. Flash has a power called the speed force. In order to bring this power into surface he has to go the speed of light. This feat takes time for flash to do. So since flash is the fastest being in dc and his top speed is the speed of light, anything faster brings up the speed force, but you all are showing me space flight where you are presuming that superman is going way above the speed of light, Im guessing that superman is faster then the flash.

What the hell are you talking about?

It doesn't take a long time time for Flash to reach the speed of light.

He reached the speed of light or moved faster than light in an issue of JLA classified.

And Flash's top speed isn't the speed of light. He's moved faster than light on several occasions.

Originally posted by carver9
Who dont read superman comics but that dont have anything to do with it.

A lot of people don't read Superman comics, and you're obviously one of them.

Originally posted by carver9
If you are using superman going through space as a speed feat, then you should use it for the rest of the characters.

That's what people do.

You should know, you almost always bring up Gladiator moving a 100 times the speed of light.

Originally posted by carver9
classic rogue

Scans?

Originally posted by carver9
iron man

Scans?

Originally posted by carver9
Writers say that he goes the speed of sound

Here you say that a writer states he moves at the speed of sound, then later you say a writer stated he can move at 2000mps.

Stop contradicting yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
on panel feats dont say that he goes the speed of light

Except the time he escaped from a black hole, and the time he was stated to bale to race a photon to it's target.

Originally posted by carver9
like when flash is running and the narrator says how fast he going.

It isn't always stated at what speed the Flash is moving at.

Originally posted by carver9
The sad thing about the superman prime feat is that when both of the superman flew to oa to catch up with superboy prime, they had other hero's behind them

Only Power Girl, and Martian Manhunter.

Originally posted by carver9
so that mean that almost everyone that was flying with superman can go faster than the speed of light.

Yeah, I guess that the two characters that were flying alongside Kal-El and Kal-L, are faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
Your logic dont make any sense.

Of course.

You got to be an idiot to think that someone is faster than light, just because they reached a certain place in less time that it takes light to reach the same place.

Count Nefaria - 20, 000

Sentry - 100, 000

Captain Marvel (DC) - 1000

Black Adam - 600

Thor - 15, 000

Wonder Woman - 101

Superboy (Conner) - 100

Superboy/man Prime - 700

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 80, 000

Supreme Power Hyperion - 100, 200

All-Star Superman - 300

King Hyperion - ∞

Immortal Hercules - 15, 000

Classic Juggernaut - 20, 000

Big Dumb Drax - 13, 000

Morg - 11, 000

Gladiator - 18, 000

Wonder Man - 9000

Just cus it's been mentioned a lot I'd just like to point out that there is tons of gravity in space. What do you think holds the earth in the suns orbit or holds galaxies together. All the things that seem to just "float" in space are just in orbit around something. Also, technically, gravity on earth or any surface doesnt' effect your flight speed much if you're just going straight. gravity pulls you down at a 90 degree angle to moving forward so it doesnt' effect your forward movement, as long as you're strong enough to hover, you can go forward with whatever propulsion you have. (hope i'm not being to scientific about comic books. just thought it should be mentioned)

What helps in space is the lack of air resistance. Hasn't it also been stated that superman and such don't move at such fast speeds on earth because of the shockwave they'd make destroying things around them?

Superman: 100,000,000,000,000

every one else: 100

I like cheese

Who in the hell thinks supes is many times FTL is crazy as hell or high on drugs, I HAVE over 1000 comics and my brother has more than me, There is not a single book that says supes has ever moved that fast, There will be no scans that SAY HE IS MOVING THAT FAST.....PERIOD!! SS,GLADIATOR and many more has done it and can be shown CLEARLY without any doubt that they moved that fast..when glads hit 100 times lightspeed it never said that it was his top speed, IF anyone of supes fanboys can show me any scan of supes being anywhere close to gladiator or silver sufers speed I WILL JUMP THROUGH THIS COMPUTER AND KISS HIS OR HER AZZ WITH A SUPERMAN SUIT ON!!!

Originally posted by james2099
Who in the hell thinks supes is many times FTL is crazy as hell or high on drugs, I HAVE over 1000 comics and my brother has more than me, There is not a single book that says supes has ever moved that fast, There will be no scans that SAY HE IS MOVING THAT FAST.....PERIOD!! SS,GLADIATOR and many more has done it and can be shown CLEARLY without any doubt that they moved that fast..when glads hit 100 times lightspeed it never said that it was his top speed, IF anyone of supes fanboys can show me any scan of supes being anywhere close to gladiator or silver sufers speed I WILL JUMP THROUGH THIS COMPUTER AND KISS HIS OR HER AZZ WITH A SUPERMAN SUIT ON!!!
Superman has crossed light-years in minutes. That puts him above light-speed.

didn't Mortal Herc stalemate Thor in their wrestle? or was it Immortal?

either way, ranking Herc lower than Thor in any physical stat is unfounded

wherrever Thor is compared to Kal is where Herc goes as well.

Originally posted by 123KID
didn't Mortal Herc stalemate Thor in their wrestle? or was it Immortal?

either way, ranking Herc lower than Thor in any physical stat is unfounded

wherrever Thor is compared to Kal is where Herc goes as well.

Thor has other, higher feats though.

I was reading all star superman and saw him pressing /exerting 200 quintillion tons with one hand without much effort after his power was boosted by the UBERsolar absrobtion , it was also stated that his strength has increased bya a fctor of three at least

therefore we can roughly gauge normal superman's strength to be roughly a third of 400 (200 each hand) quintillion tons...... thats a frickin awesome 133.3 quintiullion tons or 66.66 quintillion tons each hand !

Originally posted by ankur29
I was reading all star superman and saw him pressing /exerting 200 quintillion tons with one hand without much effort after his power was boosted by the UBERsolar absrobtion , it was also stated that his strength has increased bya a fctor of three at least

therefore we can roughly gauge normal superman's strength to be roughly a third of 400 (200 each hand) quintillion tons...... thats a frickin awesome 133.3 quintiullion tons or 66.66 quintillion tons each hand !

Go max on dumbbell bench.

Now go max on flat bench. Notice anything?

Originally posted by Soljer
Go max on dumbbell bench.

Now go max on flat bench. Notice anything?

ithere is definately a difference, but unsure whcih way it goes in
i can dumbell bench more i believe , i can do 50kg bench and 24kg each hand with effort but not 26 kg whcih is too hard , maybe this is different for me but using my calcultaions whcih was onlya rough estimate

supe can lift/press/exert roughly 140 quintillion tons!!!!!!

a quintillion is a million quadrillions (10^30); (American & French) a thousand quadrillions (10^18).
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/difficultwords/data/d0010806.html

based on that everyone in DC who are said to be close to superman are hundreds of times stronger than charecters form marvel!

Heres the pic for reference:
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/672/as1xf1.th.jpg

Superman displays what is possibly the most impressive strength feat to date, by pushing against the equivelent of 200 Quintillion tons (with one arm).

The scientist estimates his strength more than tripled:

Originally posted by ankur29
ithere is definately a difference, but unsure whcih way it goes in
i can dumbell bench more i believe , i can do 50kg bench and 24kg each hand with effort but not 26 kg whcih is too hard , maybe this is different for me but using my calcultaions whcih was onlya rough estimate

supe can lift/press/exter roughly 140 quintillion tons!!!!!!

a quintillion is a million quadrillions (10^30); (American & French) a thousand quadrillions (10^18).

based on that everyone in DC who are said to be close to superman are hundreds of times stronger than charecters form marvel!

In a round about way, The writers express that themselves. Even Dan jurgens said Superman was millions of times more powerful than Thor.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In a round about way, The writers express that themselves. Even Dan jurgens said Superman was millions of times more powerful than Thor.

not at you nvr, but at Dan Jurgens.

Originally posted by ankur29
ithere is definately a difference, but unsure whcih way it goes in
i can dumbell bench more i believe , i can do 50kg bench and 24kg each hand with effort but not 26 kg whcih is too hard , maybe this is different for me but using my calcultaions whcih was onlya rough estimate

supe can lift/press/exert roughly 140 quintillion tons!!!!!!

a quintillion is a million quadrillions (10^30); (American & French) a thousand quadrillions (10^18).
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/difficultwords/data/d0010806.html

based on that everyone in DC who are said to be close to superman are hundreds of times stronger than charecters form marvel!

Heres the pic for reference:
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/672/as1xf1.th.jpg

Superman displays what is possibly the most impressive strength feat to date, by pushing against the equivelent of 200 Quintillion tons (with one arm).

The scientist estimates his strength more than tripled:

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In a round about way, The writers express that themselves. Even Dan jurgens said Superman was millions of times more powerful than Thor.

You do know that Jurgens said that he was joking when he said that, right?

http://www.comicboards.com/superman/view.php?trd=040224024110

http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?trd=040223201106

http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?rpl=040224035208

Originally posted by Silent Master
You do know that Jurgens said that he was joking when he said that, right?

http://www.comicboards.com/superman/view.php?trd=040224024110

http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?trd=040223201106

http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?rpl=040224035208

regardless thor/herc or any other marvel powerhouse is no way near as strong enough to lift quintillions of tons! (CM /BA & ww can obviuolsy lift a few dozen quintillion aswell now thati ahve established superman can lift 140 Quintillion tons) they would would be lucky if they could actually lift ONE MILLION tons! seriously !

Get back to me when you know what you're talking about.

Thor set back time, I wonder how much pressure that required.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Get back to me when you know what you're talking about.

Heres what i am talking about ,the pic for reference:

All star Superman displays what is possibly the most impressive strength feat to date, by pushing against the equivelent of 200 Quintillion tons (with one arm).

The scientist estimates his strength more than tripled:

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/672/as1xf1.th.jpg

assuming supes can lift 400 quintillion tons with two hands and normal supes can lift a third of this supess can lift 133.33 quintillions tons with two hands or 66.66 quintillion with one hand and they are just rough estimates , 70 quintilion tons per hand sounds better ....

And?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You do know that Jurgens said that he was joking when he said that, right?

http://www.comicboards.com/superman/view.php?trd=040224024110

http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?trd=040223201106

http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?rpl=040224035208

Actually he wasn't. Marvel made him recant the statement becuz he was going to be working for them. YOu should do your homework.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually he wasn't. Marvel made him recant the statement becuz he was going to be working for them. YOu should do your homework.

I notice that unlike me, you have provided no proof for your claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
And?

thor/hercules or anyone in marvel cannot lift near that much!

perhaps after a lot of frustartion but i don't see him able to lift it just like that! and i don't see thor doing it at all , marvel charecters are weak! i would prefer marvel not even having a strength system , 100 tons is sucha small amount !

batman could proably 'batkick' that amount!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually he wasn't. Marvel made him recant the statement becuz he was going to be working for them. YOu should do your homework.

Prove it.

Originally posted by llagrok
Thor has other, higher feats though.
Doesn't really mean any thing when it's been made clear he and Herc are equals in terms of strength.

Originally posted by Accel
Doesn't really mean any thing when it's been made clear he and Herc are equals in terms of strength.

That was a long time ago.

Originally posted by ankur29
marvel charecters are weak!

And there goes all your credibility.

Originally posted by ankur29
thor/hercules or anyone in marvel cannot lift near that much!

Not even Gladiator who has been stated to have moved planets or Drax Who IIRC has ripped the core out of a star/sun or even Thor who lifted the Midgard serpent?

Originally posted by llagrok
That was a long time ago.
And? Unless we're talking about mortal Herc here, it still makes no difference.

Originally posted by Accel
And? Unless we're talking about mortal Herc here, it still makes no difference.

It does make a difference when Thor has displayed greater strength feats since.

Captain Marvel was stated to be slightly stronger than Superman wasn't he? Can he lift in excess of 200 quintillion tons? Can General Zod lift 50?

All star is in a different continuity. There is no reason to believe that mainstream Superman is one third of All Star Superman.

The only thing that scan 'proves' is that before All Star's 'sundip,' he could lift a a third of two hundred quintillion tons. It provides absolutely no insight to mainstream Superman.

None.

Originally posted by llagrok
It does make a difference when Thor has displayed greater strength feats since.
Good for him. And Herc can still stalemate him in a direct contest of strength whenever they try. He can even beat him in H2H.

Thor can lift all the heavy objects he wants, but it's fairly obvious he's not stronger than Herc. At all.

Originally posted by Accel
Good for him. And Herc can still stalemate him in a direct contest of strength whenever they try. He can even beat him in H2H.

Thor can lift all the heavy objects he wants, but it's fairly obvious he's not stronger than Herc. At all.

Naw, Herc hasn't beaten Thor in hand to hand. Last time they fought Hercules had him in a grip, and Thor got him with the lightning.

Originally posted by ankur29
thor/hercules or anyone in marvel cannot lift near that much!

marvel charecters are weak!



I dont know why, but I find it funny that you have a Sig of the Sentry

Originally posted by llagrok
Naw, Herc hasn't beaten Thor in hand to hand.
I was going to refute this, but...



...it looks like you beat me to it.

Originally posted by llagrok
Naw, Herc hasn't beaten Thor in hand to hand. Last time they fought Hercules had him in a grip, and Thor got him with the lightning.

it has continously been repeated that thor and herc are equal in terms of strength , who cares about the feats they are not even remebered, hulk can can shatter an asteroid twice the size of earth but cannot put the likes of thing/colosuss/namor/wolverine with a single punch or more realistically a flick, feats are brilliant but writers just don't care. Superman actually consistently lifts incredible amounts of weights , it is continusly referenced how he coudl shatter the earth,moon, sneeze and crack earth , this> marvel feats as most dc powerhouses are on par with supes .

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6070/thorbloodoath402pq8.th.jpg

Originally posted by nimbus006
I dont know why, but I find it funny that you have a Sig of the Sentry

lol, sentry is cool but i think for guys like him,herc,thor 100,000 tons is the bench mark ... there feats may be cool but in more recent showings they struggle with tings that logically be beneath them

Originally posted by ankur29
lol, sentry is cool but i think for guys like him,herc,thor 100,000 tons is the bench mark ... there feats may be cool but in more recent showings they struggle with tings that logically be beneath them

Superman hasn't lifted 200 quintillion tons....

Wait...Are you saying that Superman has never struggled with something that should logically be beneath him?

Originally posted by llagrok
Superman hasn't lifted 200 quintillion tons....

More if you count the third of the earth's mass against the sun. Or the turning of the wheels of mageddon.

Originally posted by ankur29
it has continously been repeated that thor and herc are equal in terms of strength , who cares about the feats they are not even remebered, hulk can can shatter an asteroid twice the size of earth but cannot put the likes of thing/colosuss/namor/wolverine with a single punch or more realistically a flick, feats are brilliant but writers just don't care. Superman actually consistently lifts incredible amounts of weights , it is continusly referenced how he coudl shatter the earth,moon, sneeze and crack earth , this> marvel feats as most dc powerhouses are on par with supes .

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6070/thorbloodoath402pq8.th.jpg

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
More if you count the third of the earth's mass against the sun. Or the turning of the wheels of mageddon.

Superman,WW and MM were failing to hold the Earth in orbit, they had to be saved by GL.

What about things like Gladiator destroying a planet in 3 hits or Thor lifting the Midgard Serpent?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Superman,WW and MM were failing to hold the Earth in orbit, they had to be saved by GL.

What about things like Gladiator destroying a planet in 3 hits or Thor lifting the Midgard Serpent?

They failed to hold it, But it is shown that they were actually moving it. And I've done the math on it. The gravity of the sun makes moving the earth like literally pulling against thousands of earths each.

Destroying a planet in three hits doesn't mean one has planet destroying power. A well placed bomb can topple a building. But It takes far more destructive power to actually destroy the planet outright.

Thor and the midgard serpernt, we know for a fact it wasn't even all the way solid. And it didnt' weight as much as the earth. It's mystical properties are what were causing the havok around the globe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They failed to hold it, But it is shown that they were actually moving it. And I've done the math on it. The gravity of the sun makes moving the earth like literally pulling against thousands of earths each.

They weren't 'moving' the Earth, they were trying to keep it from spinning out of orbit.



Do you have any proof that Gladiator was using 'well placed' hits to destroy it and not just punching it?



What proof?

BTW, are you ever going to get around to backing up your claim of

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually he wasn't. Marvel made him recant the statement becuz he was going to be working for them. YOu should do your homework.

Originally posted by Silent Master
They weren't 'moving' the Earth, they were trying to keep it from spinning out of orbit.



Do you have any proof that Gladiator was using 'well placed' hits to destroy it and not just punching it?



What proof?

BTW, are you ever going to get around to backing up your claim of

It was in the interview. They put in a statement that had to do with Dan recanting his statement as he got ready to work on a marvel project. As in later on. you do the math.
As for them holding the earth, IT worked for a time until GL helped. Which means the strength feats stands.

Gladiator didn't destroy a planet. Superman prime destroyed a planet. In one move, the entire planet was destroyed instantly. You seem familiar. Are you an old poster with a new name?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Destroying a planet in three hits doesn't mean one has planet destroying power. A well placed bomb can topple a building. But It takes far more destructive power to actually destroy the planet outright.

Silent Master has been around since '05....

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

I meant to say it takes alot more powerer to destroy the bulding outright.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EixUZ5bJw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qf3t_haVEM

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It was in the interview.

Quote it.



Yes, he did.

Originally posted by Larceny
Count Nefaria - 95

Sentry - 75

Captain Marvel (DC) - 95-100

Black Adam - 95-100

Thor - 95-100

Wonder Woman - 80

Superboy (Conner) - 75

Superboy/man Prime - 150

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - ?


Supreme Power Hyperion - ?

All-Star Superman 120ish

King Hyperion - ?

Immortal Hercules - 95-100

Classic Juggernaut - 120ish

Big Dumb Drax - With Pg? 100ish

Morg - ?

Gladiator - 95

Wonder Man - 60


I like the marorty of this one

Originally posted by Silent Master
Quote it.



Yes, he did.

and so did hyperion but I guess when marvel characters do that it doesn't count. (not in any way saying that either glads or hyph is in spm's class)

Wow at Nvr.
Gladiator destroying a planet in three punches is more proof of planet destroying power than SMP basically tackling a planet.
What Gladiator did is based in pure strength, while what SMP did is a mixture of durability and speed.
Classic Rogue could probably do what SMP did, only to get wasted by the boom.
Classic Rogue couldn't do what Gladiator did tho.

Mind you fanatics, i'm not saying Gladiator is stronger than SMP.
I'm just saying that his feat trumps SMP's comparable feat.

Classic Rogue? GTFO.

Originally posted by Val
Classic Rogue? GTFO.

Do i think she's capable of drilling through rock and concrete?

Yep.

Would she die when the planet goes boom?

Yep.

Does she have planet destroying powah?

Nope.

Get. The. ****. Out.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You should be dim makked just for that. I couldn't stop laughing when I read that

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qf3t_haVEM
this is a game. notice wolverine owning lobo

Originally posted by psycho gundam
this is a game. notice wolverine owning lobo So you mean to tell me wonder woman was never rendered naked due to touching thor's hammer? 313


Oh it gets worse than Wolverine owning lobo. In Mugen Jigglypuff is a force to be reconed with, beating goku and cell...

Originally posted by ankur29
thor/hercules or anyone in marvel cannot lift near that much!

except Herc has when he held up the Earth

the weight a.s. Supes held up is less than that of the planet

and reg Supes is weaker than a.s. Supes

Herc/Thor>a.s. Supes>reg Supes

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I couldn't stop laughing when I read that Glad someone got it... f*cking ignoramuses...ermm

mugen Ryu vs. Onslaught&Galactus
FTZDH9oR7Vo

That was a crappy OC character...

Superman's an 100 in strength. What are these guys?

Count Nefaria - 90

Sentry - 95

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100 (classic, with full Shazam power a lot more)

Black Adam - 100

Thor - 90

Wonder Woman - 90

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 300

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - Not familiar enough with him

Supreme Power Hyperion - Same

All-Star Superman - 250

King Hyperion - 120 (He didn't impress me that much)

Immortal Hercules - 100

Classic Juggernaut - 110

Big Dumb Drax - 250

Morg - 85 (capable of amping with PC)

Gladiator - 115

Wonder Man - 80


As a bonus:

Pre - Death Thanos: 280

Post - Death Thanos: 300

Post - Tyrant Thanos: 350

Silver Age Superman: 400

PC Darkseid: 500

Composite Superman: 1600

PC Validus: 4800

PC Omega: 8000

Superman's an 100 in strength. What are these guys?

Count Nefaria - 90

Sentry - 90

Captain Marvel (DC) - 90
Black Adam - 90

Thor - 90

Wonder Woman - 80

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 300

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 50

Supreme Power Hyperion - 80

All-Star Superman - 300

King Hyperion - 100
Immortal Hercules - 95

Classic Juggernaut - 95

Big Dumb Drax - 95

Morg - 80

Gladiator - 90

Wonder Man - 70



Pre - Death Thanos: 90

Post - Death Thanos: 90

Post - Tyrant Thanos: 90

PC Darkseid: 100