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wow just read part three. Thats a stupid way to return everything to the status quo

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
wow just read part three. Thats a stupid way to return everything to the status quo

What went down, man?

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
What went down, man? Mephisto offered a deal to Peter and Mary Jane. In exchange for his aunts life, he wants Peter and Mary Jane to sacrifice their love, any acknowledgement that they have for one another will be gone. It will always feel like something is missing but they will never again have love for each other and will not remember the deal they have made.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Mephisto offered a deal to Peter and Mary Jane. In exchange for his aunts life, he wants Peter and Mary Jane to sacrifice their love, any acknowledgement that they have for one another will be gone. It will always feel like something is missing but they will never again have love for each other and will not remember the deal they have made.

That's ****ing gay. I bet this is foreshadowing
the fact that M.J. is a Skrull.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Mephisto offered a deal to Peter and Mary Jane. In exchange for his aunts life, he wants Peter and Mary Jane to sacrifice their love, any acknowledgement that they have for one another will be gone. It will always feel like something is missing but they will never again have love for each other and will not remember the deal they have made. God tell me they didn't actually do it!
Man why do they always have to try and screw up Spiderman?

Originally posted by Entity
God tell me they didn't actually do it!
Man why do they always have to try and screw up Spiderman? They have until the next issue. Mephisto wants this because without Mary Jane as a ground, Peter will loose his soul to evil in the long run. He could just as easily traded Mays health for his soul but he stated he wants Peter to loose his soul on his own will and not by a deal.

This is another reason to hate Joe Q. He won't leave Spidey alone.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Mephisto offered a deal to Peter and Mary Jane. In exchange for his aunts life, he wants Peter and Mary Jane to sacrifice their love, any acknowledgement that they have for one another will be gone. It will always feel like something is missing but they will never again have love for each other and will not remember the deal they have made.

That's a pretty weak way for JMS to exit. But Mephisto only wins these deals half the time - loopholes can be found.
Here's hoping Secret Invasion corrects this.

I don't even get why Peter would consider this deal anyway. Does he think May will live forever or something?

Originally posted by Val
I don't even get why Peter would consider this deal anyway. Does he think May will live forever or something?

What be interestin if he does this and the next day she gets hit by a car and dies.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
What be interestin if he does this and the next day she gets hit by a car and dies.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
What be interestin if he does this and the next day she gets hit by a car and dies.

That's how Mephisto operates. It allows him to cheat on his deals.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
What be interestin if he does this and the next day she gets hit by a car and dies.

We can only hope

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
What be interestin if he does this and the next day she gets hit by a car and dies.

That's what's gonna happen. Aunt May will be killed off after Spidey agrees to the deal. That way everyone's a loser, especially the readers

Originally posted by willRules
That's what's gonna happen. Aunt May will be killed off after Spidey agrees to the deal. That way everyone's a loser, especially the readers

Loser 313

I won't say I saw this coming, but it makes a lot of sense.

Joe Q is on record many times for saying that marrying Pete to MJ killed off a lot of the drama that can come about with an active and variable love life for a hero. But it wasn't something he could change, he said, because it wouldn't be in character for Pete...

...but he found a way around that. So Pete doesn't look evil for leaving MJ for some arbitrary reason, and Quesada gets his chance to add some variance to Pete's romantic interests (down the road, of course).

Yup peter was just waiting to get rid of mj so he could have an orgy.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Yup peter was just waiting to get rid of mj so he could have an orgy.

Not that, obviously, but if you look back at early stuff (ASM #1 through maybe 300) he had multiple love interests (Gwen, Felicia, Betty Brant, random school girls, etc.) and added angst from the love life. I think Joe Q was tired of how familiar and comfortable the relationship with MJ was.

Someone should tell JQ to read Ultimate Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Val
Someone should tell JQ to read Ultimate Spider-Man.

Actually, in one of the interviews I read, he mentions Ultimate Spidey, and uses the brief stint with Kitty Pryde as an example of great romantic drama that doesn't let the main relationship with MJ stagnate.

I somewhat agree with him, actually. Mephisto's a helluva random plot device to throw into it, but the basis of Pete's character is, unfortunately or fortunately depending on your view, suffering and responsibility. This move muddies the waters for Pete in an unforeseen way, and gives him yet another burden to bear. But it also opens the door to new kinds of stories.

People dislike change. I know. Sometimes their misgivings are justified, sometimes they aren't. But I'm generally not as opposed to it as most, even if I end up being wrong this time.

In the long run this may be better, I mean yes this story will probaly start off with a way of making Spider-man depressed for a bit, but then we can have him "return to the light" as it were with new and interesting stories with new love interests etc etc, or we could just have a cool story where he somehow remembers his love for MJ and tries to win her back while she remembers nothing etc etc.

we should get lose of lois lane too

seiously what a piece of crap. laterly there are messing up
with peters girls...gwen bitching with the goblin and now
losing mj like this.

damn it man, how old is may 123? if he is really eager to save her why doesnt he find a way to make her immortal. this isnt right.

you can still make good stories without get rid of mj......

i buckled and read the spoilers. not exactly what i was expecting. like at all...

i need to read this now.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Actually, in one of the interviews I read, he mentions Ultimate Spidey, and uses the brief stint with Kitty Pryde as an example of great romantic drama that doesn't let the main relationship with MJ stagnate.

I somewhat agree with him, actually. Mephisto's a helluva random plot device to throw into it, but the basis of Pete's character is, unfortunately or fortunately depending on your view, suffering and responsibility. This move muddies the waters for Pete in an unforeseen way, and gives him yet another burden to bear. But it also opens the door to new kinds of stories.

People dislike change. I know. Sometimes their misgivings are justified, sometimes they aren't. But I'm generally not as opposed to it as most, even if I end up being wrong this time.

Nah , Mephisto is probably like 'Captain Marvel' and they need to re-use him so often or lose him.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I won't say I saw this coming, but it makes a lot of sense.

Joe Q is on record many times for saying that marrying Pete to MJ killed off a lot of the drama that can come about with an active and variable love life for a hero. But it wasn't something he could change, he said, because it wouldn't be in character for Pete...

...but he found a way around that. So Pete doesn't look evil for leaving MJ for some arbitrary reason, and Quesada gets his chance to add some variance to Pete's romantic interests (down the road, of course).

I suppose we'll find out next Gwen Stacy was really alive all this time, just like Norman Osborn.

While they're at it, let's have Sue leave Reed for Namor at last, to make their lives more 'variable.' How about it, Joe?

Just another four years until Marvel's 50th Anniversary. A massive reboot to ground zero is coming anyway. Spidey & MJ will be back together.

Well, so long as they don't kill off MJ I'm happy.

Oh, and also (I asked this in the other One More Day thread but no one knew the answer), anyone figured out who the girl was? Someone from some other title maybe?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Actually, in one of the interviews I read, he mentions Ultimate Spidey, and uses the brief stint with Kitty Pryde as an example of great romantic drama that doesn't let the main relationship with MJ stagnate.

I somewhat agree with him, actually. Mephisto's a helluva random plot device to throw into it, but the basis of Pete's character is, unfortunately or fortunately depending on your view, suffering and responsibility. This move muddies the waters for Pete in an unforeseen way, and gives him yet another burden to bear. But it also opens the door to new kinds of stories.

People dislike change. I know. Sometimes their misgivings are justified, sometimes they aren't. But I'm generally not as opposed to it as most, even if I end up being wrong this time.
Change is fine but this is change for the sake of change (and sales). It comes off as forced which is why many won't like it. Plus the premise is pretty stupid to begin with.

And this is why I dropped 616 Spider-man last year...

Originally posted by Val
I don't even get why Peter would consider this deal anyway. Does he think May will live forever or something?

Exactly. He basically traded his love for MJ (which would've lasted pretty much forever) for Aunt May to live a few more years.

Good choice Peter...

um, I'm sorry, but is this not literally the exact same plot that Mark Waid used in the Flash, only substituting Wally for Peter and Neron for Mephisto?

Originally posted by tjcoady
um, I'm sorry, but is this not literally the exact same plot that Mark Waid used in the Flash, only substituting Wally for Peter and Neron for Mephisto?

Come to think of it......yeah, you're right. haermm

Originally posted by Morridini
Well, so long as they don't kill off MJ I'm happy.

Oh, and also (I asked this in the other One More Day thread but no one knew the answer), anyone figured out who the girl was? Someone from some other title maybe? Peter asked Mephisto that question and his response was
"Oh your not ready for the answer to that question, trust me. Thats for another time".

Peter didnt even consider it, it was MJ that wanted to consider it.

Originally posted by Morridini
Peter didnt even consider it, it was MJ that wanted to consider it.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Peter asked Mephisto that question and his response was
"Oh your not ready for the answer to that question, trust me. Thats for another time". Gwen's and Osborn's daughter or Petes and Gwen's.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231


Just curious, does that mean that you don't believe me? That you don't believe MJ would do that? Or a simple spam?

Anyhow, just bringing up proof:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/699/sp0023af3.th.jpg

Originally posted by Morridini
Just curious, does that mean that you don't believe me? That you don't believe MJ would do that? Or a simple spam?

Anyhow, just bringing up proof:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/699/sp0023af3.th.jpg i took it as a "WTF is up with MJ?"

nothing negative towards you.

She's a skrull.

I'd still hit it ermm.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Yes... See? Random would-be confrontation avoided.

Hurray for communication!

Originally posted by Citizen V
She's a skrull.

I'd still hit it ermm.
Bingo.

I gotta tell you i'm as big a spidy fan as anyone here. and ever since the start of civil war i had this underlining feeling that, that whole event was thought up to find a way to split peter and mj, i'm sad to say i was right. And i thought about protesting at first, but then i read a comment on OMD by joseph himself. and for better or worse i will stay a reader of spider-man comics


Speak of the devil and he shall appear....

For whatever it's worth, the situation is not as clear cut as one
might hope. The reality of any writer workingfor any company, DC or
Marvel or Image, is that when you're handed a franchise character,
you're basically entrusted with something that the company owns, and
the company has final say in what happens to that character, because
as a writer, you're only there for a certain amount of time and then
the next guy has to come in. Spider-Man belongs to Marvel, not to me,
and at the end of the day, however much I may disagree with things,
and however much I may make it very CLEAR to all parties that I
disagree, I have to honor their position.

In the Gwen storyline, yes, I wanted it to be Peter's kids, Joe over-
rode that, which is his right as EIC. I got the flack for that
decision, but them's the breaks.

In the current storyline, there's a lot that I don't agree with, and I
made this very clear to everybody within shouting distance at Marvel,
especially Joe. I'll be honest: there was a point where I made the
decision, and told Joe, that I was going to take my name off the last
two issues of the OMD arc. Eventually Joe talked me out of that
decision because at the end of the day, I don't want to sabotage Joe
or Marvel, and I have a lot of respect for both of those. As an
executive producer as well as a writer, I've sometimes had to insist
that my writers make changes that they did not want to make, often
loudly so. They were sure I was wrong. Mostly I was right.
Sometimes I was wrong. But whoever sits in the editor's chair, or the
executive producer's chair, wears the pointy hat of authority, and as
Dave Sim once noted, you can't argue with a pointy hat.

So at the end of the day, all one can do is try to do the best one can
with the notes one is given, and try to execute them in a professional
way...because who knows, the other guy may be right. The only thing I
*can* tell you, with absolute certainty, is that what Joe does with
Spidey and all the rest of the Marvel characters, he does out of a
genuine love of the character. He's not looking to sabotage anything,
he's not looking to piss off the fans, he genuinely believes in the
rightness of his views not out of a sense of "I'm the boss" but
because he loves these characters and the Marvel universe.

And right or wrong, you have to respect that.

jms

Spiderman has been bad for a while, it has nothing to do with mary jane

All this does is get a person like me(who gave up on all spidey comics) to buy this arch, and after i am gone again....but it does not matter to marvel they get what they wanted

Spidey should pick mary jane and move on, to do other wise is a joke

At least the art is good

the last spiderman comics are so bad.....really bad.....sad

Originally posted by starlock
Spiderman has been bad for a while, it has nothing to do with mary jane

All this does is get a person like me(who gave up on all spidey comics) to buy this arch, and after i am gone again....but it does not matter to marvel they get what they wanted

Spidey should pick mary jane and move on, to do other wise is a joke

QFT

Yea they've been trying to lose MJ for years now I can't believe they just won't get the point. Its not gonna work and the fans are gonna hate it.
Thats why it's never worked before, thats why it's not gonna work this time and thats why it'll never work in the future.

Unless Spidey and her are pretty old and she dies some incredibly tragic death for Pete like in Reign.

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Why would someone like Mephisto have May's soul anyway? Is there just no place for little old lady souls to go in the MU?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why would someone like Mephisto have May's soul anyway? Is there just no place for little old lady souls to go in the MU? He's not trading for her soul. He's trading for her life!

Which is stupid. She'll probably pull a Crash Simpson now anyway!
This pisses me off that they just won't give up on getting rid of MJ. IMO they're just being to damned lazy to come up with new inventive stories for Peter. Theres no telling how many great stories they can still tell while moving on threw Peter's life but no they'd rather be lazy and just go back to telling the same trouble with women stories they did when he was in high school. Have they even stopped to consider the fact that he won't have the same problems with women he had in high school now that his being Spiderman is public? He can be honest about why he stood them up or is incredibly late or just disappears when things get shitty.

If I wanted to read about teenage high school Spiderman I'd read Ultimate!

It's funny how Queseda is pushing so hard to ruin Peter's marriage considering that he is also the one responsible for the whole Sins Past thing.

In a recent interview, J.M.S. confirmed that when he was writing Sins Past he originally wanted the kids to belong to Peter, not Osborn, however Joe Q refused to allow it because it would be "wrong for Spidey to have a bastard child". So instead of giving Peter a child out of wedlock they made his first love a whore who slept with his most hated enemy?!?

Why does Joe Q hate Spidey so much?

Heh...Harry Osbourne has been confirmed to be back. Looks like Gwen Stacy will probably be alive too. Might as well revive her if they're pissing on the last 40 years anyway.

at the pics.

Anyway, Spidey's character is about hardship. Mephisto is a huge plot device that is a little hard to accept without cringing, but the story itself (and the outcome) mesh pretty well with Pete's character and how they've portrayed him through the years.

And hell. I halfways agree that MJ was a downer. I don't know if Pete ever officially hit Black Cat, so the writers really need to make up for lost time.

...

Figuring out how much was retconned will be a pain in teh ass, but meh.

but i like spiderman how he is now

marvel tried a stunt like that in clone saga and the result
was uber shit but still i liked ben and kane

Originally posted by jumpmann
Heh...Harry Osbourne has been confirmed to be back.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=140806

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/KirkQuesadaaa.png

Originally posted by jumpmann
Heh...Harry Osbourne has been confirmed to be back. Looks like Gwen Stacy will probably be alive too. Might as well revive her if they're pissing on the last 40 years anyway. yup i alread have the sancs and pics of harry's new look he is not going to be acting out in the open but he will be one of spidy's new bad guys

Just read part 4...

Was that a web shooter on Spidey's wrist? mmm

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Just read part 4...

Was that a web shooter on Spidey's wrist? mmm

No, only your imagination.





















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so has anyone else notice quesada's message board has mysteriously gone down for upgrades just recently

So wait a minute. Is Spider-Man back to his 10 ton days now? Jesus, this is just plain awful. Damn you, Joe.

i think we all deserve an offical statment from joe

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
So wait a minute. Is Spider-Man back to his 10 ton days now? Jesus, this is just plain awful. Damn you, Joe.
Does that even matter? Not like much was ever made of Spidey's incremental strength upgrades.

Originally posted by Val
Does that even matter? Not like much was ever made of Spidey's incremental strength upgrades.
Oh? peaches

I just read the last chapter of OMD and all I can think of is, "WTF?" I hope Joe Q has a really good explanation for all that. I cant believe and dont wanna believe that they'll bring back Harry in such a cheap manner.

I am just waiting to see this brilliant and Incredible stories thier gonna write that were hampered by peter being married to mary jane.

This story frustrates me to no end but I'm not going to vent about it. I'll just ask one question: Would you rather read a story about a 25-30 old who is married and has had character development over the past two decades or a 25-30 year old who still lives basically alone in his aunts house?

oh no god plz,

dont tell me he has lost all his new upgrades.
what was the ****ing point given him all that power,
making all the storys, disassembles, the other etc and that retcon it.

i am sorry but i guess will stop reading Spiderman after 15 years...
spiderman had his up and downs but it is enough.




whats with that aunt may tick he has...oh man.
a grown up living in his aunts home...

no no no i am quitting it

Originally posted by Arahan
oh no god plz,

dont tell me he has lost all his new upgrades.
what was the ****ing point given him all that power,
making all the storys, disassembles, the other etc and that retcon it.

i am sorry but i guess will stop reading Spiderman after 15 years...
spiderman had his up and downs but it is enough.




whats with that aunt may tick he has...oh man.
a grown up living in his aunts home...

no no no i am quitting it

Or you should write in and complain.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Or you should write in and complain. Yes because they listen to fan letters much more than sales.

Originally posted by Nod
Yes because they listen to fan letters much more than sales.

*sigh*

Originally posted by Alfheim
Or you should write in and complain.

that doesnt change anything. the best method is taking a shotgun
and storm the marvel office muhahahahahahahahhahahaa

Originally posted by Alfheim
*sigh*

Originally posted by Arahan
that doesnt change anything. the best method is taking a shotgun
and storm the marvel office muhahahahahahahahhahahaa


Well im sure you could find lots of people that dont like whet they've done. Anyway its all good to me, that means Spiderman losses even more to Cap on KMC.

WTF!?!

There was that issue where God appeared to Peter and told him that he would be happy with Mary Jane and have two kids. So I guess this retcons that?

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Was that a web shooter on Spidey's wrist? mmm

Thats about the only good thing to come out of OMD

Well that and the fact that Sins Past has now been retconned (probobly)

Originally posted by yer
I'll just ask one question: Would you rather read a story about a 25-30 old who is married and has had character development over the past two decades or a 25-30 year old who still lives basically alone in his aunts house?
Pretty much says it all right there.

HOLYMOTHERFUKINGSONOFABITCHFROMOUTTASPACE!!!

I just went to the comic shop after seein this thread to find out if it was all true and OMG it all is.

Nothing I've every read about Spidey has ever pissed me off so much in all of his existence!
Why in the name of god did they screw his character/history/development/fans like this?
Say it ain't so multiplied by infinity may not even be enough to explain how I feel. This better snap back because of what MJ said about them always finding each other no matter what and things almost instantly return to normal or I swear I'm completely threw with anything that happens to Peter post OMD!

I think Quesada is actually trying to completely ruin Amazing Spidey and perhaps the entire character as hard as he possibly can. I just can't even begin to fathom anyone screwing Spidey this hard by accident!

Perhaps Marvel is entirely trying to completely screw the entire Marvel 616 universe so bad that we all convert to their new popular Ultimate world? I mean I like ultimate after I just started to consider it as completely separate for the main marvel U but why just let all the wonderfulness of 616's character development and history get flushed down the toilet because of it?

Could this be this is Marvel's way of retconning everything like DC does with the occasional Crisis?

Create a new universe with different history of the same characters and make is so all the fans turn on the old ones because they're tired of coming up with new ideas to continue a linear growth for them?

Sorry for the rant but like I said I've never been so upset by anything I've read.
If this isn't fixed I may seriously be done with my long time favorite character, company and franchise!

I may actually have to consider turning to marvel for nothing but graphic novels and DC otherwise.

This is truly a sad day. Possibly the day a Spiderman died!

Seriously I hope that the shareholders of Marvel have Quesada fired and blacklisted for whats happened just now. This is the single worst decision I've ever seen in comics...EVER...and that is the literal truth. I sure hope Quesada likes being penniless cause basically 95% ofanyone that stuck with Spiderman right now is probably not going to anymore.

HOLYMOTHERFUKINGSONOFABITCHFROMOUTTASPACE!!!

I just went to the comic shop after seein this thread to find out if it was all true and OMG it all is.

Nothing I've every read about Spidey has ever pissed me off so much in all of his existence!
Why in the name of god did they screw his character/history/development/fans like this?
Say it ain't so multiplied by infinity may not even be enough to explain how I feel. This better snap back because of what MJ said about them always finding each other no matter what and things almost instantly return to normal or I swear I'm completely threw with anything that happens to Peter post OMD!

I think Quesada is actually trying to completely ruin Amazing Spidey and perhaps the entire character as hard as he possibly can. I just can't even begin to fathom anyone screwing Spidey this hard by accident!

Perhaps Marvel is entirely trying to completely screw the entire Marvel 616 universe so bad that we all convert to their new popular Ultimate world? I mean I like ultimate after I just started to consider it as completely separate for the main marvel U but why just let all the wonderfulness of 616's character development and history get flushed down the toilet because of it?

Could this be this is Marvel's way of retconning everything like DC does with the occasional Crisis?

Create a new universe with different history of the same characters and make is so all the fans turn on the old ones because they're tired of coming up with new ideas to continue a linear growth for them?

Sorry for the rant but like I said I've never been so upset by anything I've read.
If this isn't fixed I may seriously be done with my long time favorite character, company and franchise!

I may actually have to consider turning to marvel for nothing but graphic novels and DC otherwise.

This is truly a sad day. Possibly the day a Spiderman died! Originally posted by Superherovandal
Seriously I hope that the shareholders of Marvel have Quesada fired and blacklisted for whats happened just now. This is the single worst decision I've ever seen in comics...EVER...and that is the literal truth. I sure hope Quesada likes being penniless cause basically 95% ofanyone that stuck with Spiderman right now is probably not going to anymore.

Absolutely agreed 100%
I am actually going to do just that unless this is fixed almost immediately!
And I'm the guy that never in a million years could've ever seen myself leaving Spidey side. No matter what.
Hell as much as everyone else hated the clone saga I loved it!
Thats how devoted I am...was.

It would be nice if you guys just stopped buying the comics. Complaining doesn't really do shit since Joe Q is still going to make money.

I stopped actually buying Marvel comics after Thunderbolts #100 and though I still read the occasional scan here and there, at least that idiot isn't making any money from me.

I didn't buy it....

Originally posted by Val
It would be nice if you guys just stopped buying the comics. Complaining doesn't really do shit since Joe Q is still going to make money.

I stopped actually buying Marvel comics after Thunderbolts #100 and though I still read the occasional scan here and there, at least that idiot isn't making any money from me. Oh I didn't buy that crapfest.

I read it at the store bought someother stuff I'd been wanting like graphic novels and Heroes collection and said thats it, I ain't buying another thing marvel till they fix this!

Originally posted by Entity
I ain't buying another thing marvel till they fix this! That's a dense decision.

So, because Spider-Man is screwed up, that must mean that Wolverine was effected as well?

Plus, their not going to fix it for atleast a year... so don't buy them, and you might as well not read them as well. The only thing you would be doing is not giving them money, but it still shows that you have intrest in their comics. And although money is good for them... that's like what, maybe ten dollars a week?

Well recent Wolverine's comics have sucked forever so i don't know why anyone would by that.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Well recent Wolverine's comics have sucked forever so i don't know why anyone would by that. It was an example.

What the????

Mary Jane and Peter are NO MORE????


WOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Thank you Joe! THANK YOU!!!

Folks! I can finally return to Marvel Comics! I can't believe this just happen. OMG OMG OMG!!!!

(Trust me, this isn't sarcasm...I hate Mary Jane)

MAKE MINE MARVEL!

Marvel I'M BACK!

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That's a dense decision.

So, because Spider-Man is screwed up, that must mean that Wolverine was effected as well?

Plus, their not going to fix it for atleast a year... so don't buy them, and you might as well not read them as well. The only thing you would be doing is not giving them money, but it still shows that you have intrest in their comics. And although money is good for them... that's like what, maybe ten dollars a week? To me Spiderman was the heart and soul of Marvel!

Doing this to him is about the worst slap in the face Marvel could deal me.
Nothing else they did even mattered much to me in comparison to how much I care for Pete.

I mean I was interested in other parts of the marvel u, ex Avengers, Ultimate universe, X-Men, Ironman, Illuminati, but if they're going to just let something like this happen to, IMO, thier heart and soul character and my personal reason for even reading comics then I'm out!

I'll read about GL Kyle, Nightwing, Batman and Spawn or nothing at all other than my old pre OMD collection I have sitting right behind me in the closet of my home office!

Everyone else can do what I want but I've accepted and been open to allot of crap over the years and this is just far to much!

Fix it or I'm out.
So far to me OMD is the day a Spiderman died!

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
What the????

Mary Jane and Peter are NO MORE????


WOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Thank you Joe! THANK YOU!!!

Folks! I can finally return to Marvel Comics! I can't believe this just happen. OMG OMG OMG!!!!

(Trust me, this isn't sarcasm...I hate Mary Jane)

MAKE MINE MARVEL!

Marvel I'M BACK!



You do know that this also means that anything that has happened over the last like 20 years has also been voided. But still there is no way they can keep it like this. Too much of Marvel's history would be changed. So I'm guessing this is a lame dream, halucinnation or it will go back to the status quo within months.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
You do know that this also means that anything that has happened over the last like 20 years has also been voided. But still there is no way they can keep it like this. Too much of Marvel's history would be changed. So I'm guessing this is a lame dream, halucinnation or it will go back to the status quo within months.

Works for me.

I grew up with the geeky skinny High school/College Peter Parker So this is a treat. Might be short lived...but it brings back memories for old readers.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Works for me.

I grew up with the geeky skinny High school/College Peter Parker So this is a treat. Might be short lived...but it brings back memories for old readers. You want nostalgia or just old school spidey back go to ultimate. I'm fine with that.
Hell I've enjoyed the series myself.

Still no excuse for the character holocaust that his original counter part is being exposed to after 40 years of character development.

Originally posted by Entity
You want nostalgia or just old school spidey back go to ultimate. I'm fine with that.
Hell I've enjoyed the series myself.

Still no excuse for the character holocaust that his original counter part is being exposed to after 40 years of character development.

Ultimate Spidey is the bees knees

Originally posted by Entity
You want nostalgia or just old school spidey back go to ultimate. I'm fine with that.
Hell I've enjoyed the series myself.

Still no excuse for the character holocaust that his original counter part is being exposed to after 40 years of character development.

You guys are experiencing the same emotions I went through the late 80s. I was heart broken when Gwenn died and MJ took her place.

I'm glad Peter evolved but my fondest memories of Spiderman were during his early years.

Take this as a test to the fans.

Originally posted by willRules
Ultimate Spidey is the bees knees Like I said I like it and have no problem with it at all.

But why execute the much farther developed and evolved 616 Spiderman thats my personal favorite?

Originally posted by Entity
To me Spiderman was the heart and soul of Marvel!

Doing this to him is about the worst slap in the face Marvel could deal me.
Nothing else they did even mattered much to me in comparison to how much I care for Pete.

I mean I was interested in other parts of the marvel u, ex Avengers, Ultimate universe, X-Men, Ironman, Illuminati, but if they're going to just let something like this happen to, IMO, thier heart and soul character and my personal reason for even reading comics then I'm out!

I'll read about GL Kyle, Nightwing, Batman and Spawn or nothing at all other than my old pre OMD collection I have sitting right behind me in the closet of my home office!

Everyone else can do what I want but I've accepted and been open to allot of crap over the years and this is just far to much!

Fix it or I'm out.
So far to me OMD is the day a Spiderman died! On another note... one bad story, and you abandon your favorite character?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
On another note... one bad story, and you abandon your favorite character?
Is this another example because Amazing has been pretty bad for awhile?

At Newsarama everyone hates it...wow @ the poll. ermm

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
At Newsarama everyone hates it...wow @ the poll. ermm
Under 10% positive. crylaugh

Originally posted by Val
Under 10% positive. crylaugh

I'm in the minority...I can live with it. schmoll

Question:

Does this deal with Mephisto erases Peter HUGE mistake to reveal his secret identity from Civil War #2?

Or is still going?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
On another note... one bad story, and you abandon your favorite character? ONE BAD STORY?

Do you know how many stories of Spidey's I've endured and refused to look negative upon?
Several! None of the least being the atrocity tthat was Sin's Past!

But even compared to that, this! This completely assrapes the entire character and series overall!

This is allot of things but just one bad story its not!

Originally posted by Val
Is this another example because Amazing has been pretty bad for awhile? That's not how E puts it:
Originally posted by Entity
Fix it or I'm out.
So far to me OMD is the day a Spiderman died!

Plus, I don't even read Spider-Man...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm in the minority...I can live with it. schmoll

Question:

Does this deal with Mephisto erases Peter HUGE mistake to reveal his secret identity from Civil War #2?

Or is still going?

As far as I can tell it seems like Peter and his entire supporting cast are back to the way things were in the 70's, except with MJ.

Hmm, I wonder. Without MJ's guidance after Gwen's death how did Peter overcome his grief? confused1

Or maybe Gwen's actually back.

No. Not even Queseda is THAT stupid.

Stupidest. Retcon. Ever....

Spidey's history doesn't make a lick of sense now....

Originally posted by Grimm22
No. Not even Queseda is THAT stupid. I highly doubt that.

Originally posted by Val
It would be nice if you guys just stopped buying the comics. Complaining doesn't really do shit since Joe Q is still going to make money.


Serioulsy? It looks like to me there are lots of people on this forum who are pissed off, surely there must be other people on other forums pissed off as well?

Can we get Digi to edit a poll in here to see the responce to OMD?

Its a disgrace.

But I will read it. DL only know, I want to find out what happens but I ain't paying.

Originally posted by Entity
I highly doubt that.

Well he was the one who thought it would be a good idea to bastardize her character, so it's not impossible

Originally posted by Alfheim
Serioulsy? It looks like to me there are lots of people on this forum who are pissed off, surely there must be other people on other forums pissed off as well?
People always get pissed. This is no different.

Most of the guys screaming bloody murder now will be back reading Amazing next issue.

Originally posted by Val
People always get pissed. This is no different.

Most of the guys screaming bloody murder now will be back reading Amazing next issue.

QFT.

...and the rest us will be pleasantly amused. I'm also a bit surprised JMS was willing to retcon (presumably) most of his run on ASM.

He wasn't.

I said most.

Well think what yall want unless I hear this is reversed in BND or something I'm not reading anything post OMD!

I'm going to put this as mildy as i can. No one here has the slightest idea how much spider-man means to me here, his name was one of the first 100 words I ever spoke, the onlything that kept me going many a times was to try and live by the example he set to this day i am still out helping everyone i come across because of that. Quesada, what that man has done... he just handed me a shit smoothie and said "here drink it!" I understand the man loves old school spidy and how he used to be back in high school and college, but he has got to accept facts Peter is not that young anymore. It's time to let go and allow himto grow up, instead now they try to keep him trapped in the past where he will now go stale. This recont there are too many changes to the timeline now spider-man cant possibly remain part of the regular marvel timeline. I've stuck by spidy during some bad times i mean real bad times, the clone saga, the mystical origins, sins past, the unmasking. Honestly i just dont know what to do right now, spider-man is dead.

Originally posted by Val
He wasn't.

Didn't he say he was reluctant to even put his name on the book

I should warn you all of the new changes for spidy in 08, he is going t be working at the bugle again but jonah is going to have a stroke and is going to sell it to a real sleezeball and turn it into a tabloid paper. all of spidy's old foes are on the run from the SHRA so the have come up with about 5-6 new villains 2 of them being menace (the villain for spider-man 5 and spidy's new top foe, who is kinda like a goblin) and mr negative who you can obviously tell is harry. Pete has 2 new women in his life, a shield agent and a new female superheroine. No word on MJ yet and that's all i can remember for now

You know what I hope this change is'nt permanent. Every once in awhile writers **** with characters for a while.

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You guys might want to read what Joe is saying in this exclusive interview:

Part 1

Part 2

Now please put away the tar and feathers before jumping on the man.

WD's right kids, read the interviews (first one at least). Quesada says what I've been trying to get at, but does it better than me.

Those interviews make me dislike his position as EIC even more. They're just expected damage control/spin, that has absolutely no shot of working or changing anyone's minds.

I thought of doing that exact video with youtube (1st one). It really does belong with the rest of shit in a toilet.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Serioulsy? It looks like to me there are lots of people on this forum who are pissed off, surely there must be other people on other forums pissed off as well?

Hopefully, sales plummet like a rock, heads roll at marvel, and this whole thing gets undone.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Hopefully, sales plummet like a rock, heads roll at marvel, and this whole thing gets undone.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
QFT.

...and the rest us will be pleasantly amused. I'm also a bit surprised JMS was willing to retcon (presumably) most of his run on ASM.

from what I read he really wasn't happy that he was forced to do this...

Just read part 4 .... what a pile of shit.

Just .... dammit .... can't .... find ..... the words ..... DAMMIT!

Read some of the interview, annoyance stopped me from finishing it.

So basically every item of character development in the last 5 years of Spider-Man comics has been erased so that one guy can get back the stories he liked when he was younger.

Harry, Flash, Aunt May, single Peter, mechanical web shooters ..... FFS, if the guy wants 60s Spider-Man stories he should just go read his back issues.

I can't believe how irritated I am about a comic book character .... I'm actually considering just dropping the whole title/character from my reading list now.

The problem here is Quesada is being selfish he is going backwards with the character's development and stunting pete's growth just to suit his own needs. Last i check comic book writers didn't make the comics for themselves they make them for the fans.

I hear DC has announced the day OMD #4 came out as Joe Quesada day

Originally posted by Scoobless
Read some of the interview, annoyance stopped me from finishing it.

So basically every item of character development in the last 5 years of Spider-Man comics has been erased so that one guy can get back the stories he liked when he was younger.

Harry, Flash, Aunt May, single Peter, mechanical web shooters ..... FFS, if the guy wants 60s Spider-Man stories he should just go read his back issues.

I can't believe how irritated I am about a comic book character .... I'm actually considering just dropping the whole title/character from my reading list now.

That *******...

I'm going to with hold my judgement until we see what the stories will be like after this. But it's annoying after the work JMS did getting Pete and MJ back together in a great string of stories, and this is splitting them up. All I ask is this dosn't put Peter into a pit of depression and make him dark and evil Spider-man again, that gets old quick.

Though is this being used to ret-con Peter revealing his identity to the public?

I was really looking forward to seeing how Pete (Marvel) would handle life as an exposed Super Hero .... there are a ton of good story ideas to be had from that ... but some turdlord just wants to relive his youth so it's a big FCUK YOU! to all the fans

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to retcon the identity thing too(?)

I don't follow Spider-Man religiously so I'm not feeling the impact so much as others... but still the entire idea seems pretty stupid to me. Does Quesada want him to date Kitty Pryde in 616 too? 'Cause she's not 14 anymore and I don't think "manchild that lives with his Aunt" is all that appealing to a girl. What's the point of developing a character only to retcon all of it?

And out of marriages they could have annulled it's this one? Oh and either Luke Cage or Jessica Jones may be a Skrull - so maybe that one too. Meanwhile we're all for certain other sales-driven weddings.

(Additionally it really makes no sense to have to make a deal with Mephisto to save someone's life.)

I hope it doesn't ret con pete's exposed identity, one ret con is enough thanks. I mean they haven't even given that a chance to develop yet. All I can say is he better end up with the Black Cat after all of this. Not some annoying new lady in his life...and if they ret con uncle Bens and Gwens death I think I will scream!

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Hopefully, sales plummet like a rock, heads roll at marvel, and this whole thing gets undone.

Nah, it's a long-term thing that will likely bring more readers to Marvel, not less. It's only the diehards that have followed the character for years that get upset, but the newer fans get a fresh start with a superhero who they haven't followed for years.

I'm not super-happy with the changes either, but I can understand them from an editorial perspective. Each generation should be able to enjoy a character without decades of stuff to sift through before they understand him. Marvel's average reader is probably about 15, so a single Peter Parker is much more applicable to them than a married Pete with so many burdens on him that he can barely exist.

...

Also, it's probably a lot of the same fans who complained about Pete's unmasking that are now upset that they retconned it.

Yeah but I don't see why even if it had to be done it had to be done in such an illogical way that confuses and complicates so much other stuff. If it does retcon the identity thing completely does that mean completely, like including everyone he's ever told privately? And then are they saying that even though Spider-Man didn't unmask - even though it was such a big deal during Civil War event, it still had no impact on Civil War outcomes that he didn't unmask? And that's just one example.

It's also been brought up pretty validly that there are several titles that do deal with a single Peter.

I thought it was a purely mental retcon . . .

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I thought it was a purely mental retcon . . . How would that work exactly? Everyone just forgets?
Also the web-shooters are back so...

On a side note... it's pretty hypocritical of Quesada to criticize DC's Crises when he'll just as easily House of M Grant Morrison's New X-Men and Mephisto 20 years of marriage.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How would that work exactly? Everyone just forgets?
Also the web-shooters are back so...

Oh we've seen the results already?

Yeah I just thought it was meant to be "poof everything's the same but no one remembers you being married anymore"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Oh we've seen the results already?

Yeah I just thought it was meant to be "poof everything's the same but no one remembers you being married anymore" Nah, there've been other consequences, e.g. Harry Osborne is alive, mechanical webshooters... oh and the whole not being with MJ thing.

(Harry not dying technically has six degrees of separation ramifications on Runaways weirdly enough.

I just choose to ignore the whole thing for the time being.

I doubt it'll be too much longer until this all gets retconned and Spidey's back to how he was pre-OMD.

Wait Harry Osborn is going to be revived? What does that have to do with the deal? and the web shooters again? Does this mean he looses his upgrade all together, and why the heck is he loosing his organics? That just makes no sense!

Originally posted by Sparkz
Wait Harry Osborn is going to be revived? What does that have to do with the deal? and the web shooters again? Does this mean he looses his upgrade all together, and why the heck is he loosing his organics? That just makes no sense! because quesada likes pete better with web shooters

Oops. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be spoiler tagging this stuff.

I don't think making sense really mattered to Joe Q. I think the retcon is basically "anything I don't really think is right for Spidey is changed back."

All the people Spidey knows and the only one that can help is Mephisto?

Aunt who's going to have to die eventually and sort of wants to anyway and would probably want you to pick Mary Jane vs. love of your life and wife of many years. Not an obvious choice?

Divorce - bad example for the kids.
Deals with Marvel's Satan so that Pete can screw around with Black Cat - good example for the kids.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oops. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be spoiler tagging this stuff.

I don't think making sense really mattered to Joe Q. I think the retcon is basically "anything I don't really think is right for Spidey is changed back."

All the people Spidey knows and the only one that can help is Mephisto?

Aunt who's going to have to die eventually and sort of wants to anyway and would probably want you to pick Mary Jane vs. love of your life and wife of many years. Not an obvious choice?

Divorce - bad example for the kids.
Deals with Marvel's Satan so that Pete can screw around with Black Cat - good example for the kids.

I just don't get what forgetting Mj has to do with his web shooters or Harry...

you should see the spoiler i posted here this new status quo will last for atleast 2-3 years

Originally posted by lando005
you should see the spoiler i posted here this new status quo will last for atleast 2-3 years

I don't mind the changes, I just think it's a really crappy the way they are going about them, and i don't see the point.

Worst thing I suppose though it may take away some of the character depth from Spidey.

I hope they kill Aunt May off regardless ... she does my head in.

Skrulls would of been better. Simpler, easier and less of a head-ache. But nooooooooo...