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Ok i guess vader was giving a clue to luke by saying Only your hate can distroy me in ESB. when vader says you have a sister and luke goes nuts in ROTJ !


Its like he wanted luke to distroy him ?

Originally posted by coolmovies
Ok i guess vader was giving a clue to luke by saying Only your hate can distroy me in ESB. when vader says you have a sister and luke goes nuts in ROTJ !


Its like he wanted luke to distroy him ?

He didn't want to Luke to destroy him rather that he wanted Luke to use his hate so Vader can convert him to the darkside so he can be used against Sidious.

Answered.

While I do feel thats the answer, it still puzzles me a little in ESB where Vader is really going for it with neck level hacks and slashes...
Raelly seemed to be on a mission to take Luke out at multiple points in that fight. Seems a little weird given the afformentioned motivations...

Maybe he just got pissed that Luke didn't quite do what he had in mind. He kept escaping and not giving in. He's still a Sith.

Originally posted by coolmovies
Ok i guess vader was giving a clue to luke by saying Only your hate can distroy me in ESB. when vader says you have a sister and luke goes nuts in ROTJ !


Its like he wanted luke to distroy him ?

I think he may have had enough, and saw that like Douku before him, he was a puppet for the emperor and that he wanted Luke to take over, Vader did not want his son to turn out like him, or end up like him, so I think the pain was to much having to live like he did, and as well as his Son having to fight or be destroyed, I think he just wanted all the pain and hatred to end.

I doubt that. Killing Luke would centrainly have kept up the status quo.

I like coolmovies...he always has interesting questions to ask.

Coolmovies is...err.... cool.

hehehe

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
While I do feel thats the answer, it still puzzles me a little in ESB where Vader is really going for it with neck level hacks and slashes...
Raelly seemed to be on a mission to take Luke out at multiple points in that fight. Seems a little weird given the afformentioned motivations...

Well, it's simple. The Sith only care for you if you're strong. If Vader had gone easy on him then Luke wouldn't be able to hows his true abilities, but if Vader went all out, and Luke went all out, and Luke showed promise eh could be the new potential Sith. If not, then he was weak and was useless, so his death wouldn't mean anything.

By the way, is the word "Sith" ever mentioned in the OT?

But theres another point luke goes nuts when vader say's sister. His hand turned black . Luke did lose is at the end

Originally posted by Darth Hord
He didn't want to Luke to destroy him rather that he wanted Luke to use his hate so Vader can convert him to the darkside so he can be used against Sidious.

Talk about stating the obvious.

When people run out of things to say, thats what they say.

Originally posted by General G
When people run out of things to say, thats what they say. indeed, what a useless post.

I try.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
By the way, is the word "Sith" ever mentioned in the OT?

Nope,I don't think Lucas had the idea of the sith at that time the OT was made. Come to think of it when did the word "sith" come exactly come about? I think I remember hearing a long time of ago that they needed something to describe Darth Vader on his action figure and that how the word came about.(don't quote me on it) But I don't know when that action figure came out.

I think it was mentioned in the novelisations though. I remember distinctly that in merchandise around ESB Sith were mentioned. Sith were in the very first drafts of SW as well. So it's not somethying that was made up for the PT.

Where did you read the first drafts of the movies?

You can find scripts and treatments all over the net. Just look for Journal of the Whills... and you'll find it.

Hmm, I think I will.

Edit.

Edit?

Any luck yet?

Yup, found it.

Good. Did you read it already?

Not quite.

So a bit?

Well, it depends, I have found a few odd things, how long should it be?

It's not two or three pages. It's a fairly elaborate treatment about a father and a son getting out of a shiny spaceship running from a couple of Sith or something.

Well, I found a bunch of things here, none of which under that name, but I assume it has to be one of them:

http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts.htm

Care to help?

Well, that's pretty good. It shows all the drafts in sequence. It's the second one (rough draft) that looks like a script. The story evolved quite a bit. But the ROUGH draft of May 74 is the first version with Anikin (!) in it.

Read all of it.

Alright, I will download the second one then, thank you.

You're welcome and enjoy.

I'm beginning to wonder now if Vader didn't actually want Luke to chop him down and become a sith himself. To do so would be to promote the cause of the sith (the most powerful in control). Perhaps he also thought that Luke would be stronger than himself, and would have a chance to plug up Sid's orifices some day in a way that Vader could not. I know it's kinda dumb, but what guy doesn't want to see his son succeed? This would be a good way to give his son a promotion and get out of his own miserable existence as well.

Duh.... wasn't that clear from ESB?

I can't open it. It is too old of a version, so I am searching again...

What? Talking about your brain again?

haha...not quite.

Sounded like it.

No, and is it this short?

http://www.screamingmonkeys.com/whills/whills.htm

Huh??? That is the novelisation of the film.

Go here, the link you posted earlier and download the various drafts: http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts.htm

It really isn't that hard you know.

I did download it...just like you had told me to...and when I opened it, it said that the file was too old of a version to open.

You have to use WINRAR to unzip it. You can down load a free trail fro taht.

Otherwise, try this one:
http://starwars.rossiters.com/anh_screenplays.html

*sigh*

Trying.

EDIT:

Which one?

All of them....

Start with the earlier versions. They're the smallest. They get bigger as you get further in time.

And stop sighing, you don't HAVE to read them. I for one would be happy if you just watched ANH at least once.

Quiet! I have! And multiple times! One tiny part...

And I know I don't have to.

Two tiny parts. You also said Luke didn't find out until ESB taht he was lied to about his father.

He wasn't!

He was!!!Owne told him Anakin was a pilot of a freighter. OB1 told him he was a great starpilot and a Jedi. Ergo, Luke finds out Owen and Beru have been lying about his dad all his life. One of the motivations why he leaves with OB1: 'to become a Jedi like my father'.

What else was Luke going to do on Tatooine?!?! His parents were dead...he wanted to go off and join the Rebels anyways...and he just got an offer to become a Jedi! Of course he is going to leave...and he was a great star pilot and great Jedi...Anakin Skywalker was...not Darth Vader.

So you admit Luke finds out in ANH his aunt and uncle had been lying to him all his life about his father!

Did you see ANH now? Did you like it?

I have seen it! And I could still say he wasn't lied to, just two interpretations of what he did.

Anakin was NEVER a pilot of a space freighter, Anakin DID fight in the Clone Wars.

Typical for a droid to not know the difference between true and false.

How much would Owen have known about space freighters??

Not very much...so Anakin could have been flying a fighter and wouldn't known much about it, so referred to it as a freighter (not just because they sound similar) but just because he doesn't know one from the other.

Owen knew very very well who Anakin was... Don't play dumb.... G. Dumbwalker.. hmm... welcome to that family, I guess.

I am not playing anything...I am just trying to hold onto anything I can to prove myself right...

Originally posted by queeq
He was!!!Owne told him Anakin was a pilot of a freighter. OB1 told him he was a great starpilot and a Jedi. Ergo, Luke finds out Owen and Beru have been lying about his dad all his life. One of the motivations why he leaves with OB1: 'to become a Jedi like my father'. not to mention that he saw his aunt and uncle BBQ'd.

Yeah, but G never saw that.

a squad of stormtroopers looking for me would be incentive enough for me.

I wasn't talking about a reason as such, more in the sense of purpose. Luke was not JUST running.

what else was he doing then? his taxes?

Becoming a Jedi. duh...

And his taxes

I bet vader was like ooo omg i have a DAUGHTER HAS WELL YEEEEEEPEE now well 'so you have a twin sister' lol

Definately?

I wonder if Vader ever found out Luke and his sister made out

He'd have thrown himself down the chute as well.

Yup

How embarassing for a father.

I know...he doesn't even know Luke didn't freak out when he found out...Luke was just like oh ok...well I did make out with her but since I am a Jedi I guess thats ok then...to which obi wan replied...yes I once took my mother down by the fire

Her lips said no but her eyes screamed yes

Especially when I showed her my ..er... lightsabre.

My lightsaber is bigger.

Sure...

Jealousy is not very becoming.

Sure.

Can't ligthsabre sizes be changed on the handle?

According to some books, I can't remember if they were EU or not, it does talk about adjustment buttons to vary the length of the blade.

What's EU stand for?

EU=Expanded Universe. I.e. everything outside the movies, the movie novelisations and the NPR radioplays of the movies - they are canon.

Ahh right, ok thanks...I've never been sure if a lightsabre's length could be made longer or not

I read about it... maybe in a canon book but I am not sure.

It would however explain Yoda's short green lightsaber.

Maybe a short hilt would do that. Maybe his crystal is smaller... who knows.

Only GL knows for sure.

Maybe not even him... becauauauauauasee.... it doesn't matter.

hehehe, or that!

Or what?

Because it doesn't matter

Geeze, you even said it queeq...

Ah...

Memory loss...it's ok queeq, it is perfectly normal in older folk.

No memory loss, just playing dumb. Like this thread. CLOSING.