Has the increase in immigration lead to an increase in violent crime!

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Mr. Ree
Id like to start this discussion by stating that i am not racist and using the old cliche that i do have several black and asian friends. Spending much of my time in Hong Kong how could I not?
It is though impossible not to notice that the responsibility for alot of britains increasing rate of violent crime seems to fall on the sholders of the black and asians communities. Some recent high profile cases could include; the murder of PC Sharon Besifnisky, the woman shot dead by teens at a christening whilst cradleing a baby, the murder and torture of Kris Donald in Glasgow and the recent spate of shootings in Peckham.
Have the increasing number of black and foreign immigrants to this country brought a new level of crime culture with them?
To claim asylum in Britain it apparently has to be proved that a persons life would be in great danger if the returned to or remained in their homelands. A result of this Britain takes in many people from war torn countries such as; Somalia, Sudan, Mozambique, iraq etc. Places were told where "life is cheap" and "life is run by the gun". People have think differently and be of a different mind-set to survive from day to day. When these asylum seekers enter Britain it is impossible to change the person they are and what theyve come from, so they enter Britain equipped with a different set of moral ethics and survival instincts.
Like many of the eastern european asylum seekers they find it can be very difficult to find employment so many seem to be drifting into working for gangs of organised criminals. This is the dangerous combination where people desperate for money can use their different survival instincts to assist gangs to commit crime. This results in the increasing rates of murder, violence and robbery we are seeing on the streets of Britain today.

I also belive many young black males have problems establishing a positive identity for themselves. There dosent seem to be any positive role models for a young black male to aspire to. Their culture seems to embrace people such as 50 cent (famous for surviving being shot 9 times), Tupac (iconic rapper/gangster killed in a drive by shooting), Dre/snoop dog etc (promoting violence, shootings etc). All these rappers seem to promote this ideal young black lifestyle which includes; hot women, flash cars, chunky expensive gold "bling", designer clothes etc. With black people on the whole not doing well in education your average young black male does not have the money or status to achieve such things they belive are part of this black culture. This is again the dangerous combination where people desperate for the style and status that gives them their black identity realise they dont have the means to fund it and turn to crime as theyve seen their not so positive role models profit from it. This results in increasing rates of; murders, robberies, drug gangs, turf wars and black on black shootings we are seeing on the streets of britain today.

I dont belive its a great coincidence that the rise in violent crime will mirror the rise in immigration. Maybe the media is unfair to black and asians in its coverage of violent crime issues giving greater attention to those committed by asylum seekers. Next time you read a newspaper article about a violent murder or robbery you can almost guarentee the mugshot next to the story will be a young black or asian male. almost a certainty in London. Also watch crimewatch uk next time its on and see how many cases involving white criminals there is compared to black/asian. This again could be an unfair media protrayl After all the peckham shootings though i was surprised that no politicians openly linked all the recent problems to the black community and highlighted it as a black problem. It does seem like a majority of this increase in violent crime is being commited by minority groups and no politician will put their finger on this for fear of being labeled as a stereotyping racist.

What do you think? Has the increase in immigration lead to an increase in violent crime or is it simply the media portrayl? Are white british males just as likley to commit violent crime as black african males? Should the black community take responsibility for young people in london turning to guns and knives for protection? How can we make the streets of Britain safer for everyone? Thankyou for reading any views or comments appriciated.

ragesRemorse
Our current era is the least violent of all era's through out history. Immigration doesn't contribute to violence. It is the ignorance of individuals that does. People prefer to be surrounded by their own race. Or, atleast, the races they have become accustomed to. There will always be tension when people are forced to co-exist with a foreign race. It doesnt help much, when poor immigration laws allow for an illegal alien to reap the same benefits as a citizen.

RedAlertv2
hai Czarina

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by RedAlertv2
hai Czarina yes

leonheartmm
immogrations isnt the problem, poverty/inacceptance/lack of education in the past and teh present it. that led to a culture of lawlessness/illogical rebellion/glorifying success gained through illegal means{as the lower classes have many more barriers to the ideaof succes than the upper classes} as socity idealises it, and the use of force to gain rights when u know that the world is unfair are the reasons for the establishment of a culture of violence/lawlessness/gangs/crime etc.

however id like to point out that the white collar crimes in the upper class are far more damaging socially and economically than blue collar crimes comitted by the lower clases. {by a factor of atleast 40x}. however, since white collar crimes are often victimless in their immediate implicatiosn and the fact that they ar eunder reported/underrecorded/under prosecuted due to stereotypes of criminal personalities, means that much more attention is payed to thefts/murders/street violence etc. also, these crimes are more immedietly recogniseable than say, stealing millions by loopholes etc.

so really its our perception that makes us think as such.

MrCampion
let's not worry about immigrants causing crime. where i live it's the good old cacausian boys who commit the worse crimes and the good old boys in power who allow it or are too incompotent to stop it.

SpearofDestiny
I have noticed that propanda against Illegal Immigration has been causing negative perspective on the Hispanic population.


I have heard, especially in South American News (because U.S. News will not shed too much light on this issue), where Hispanics have been attacked for no reasons other than racial ones.

MrCampion
Yes it is a real problem that isn't going away.

Tharg
I find this thread racist.

smashyou
its their fault

Tharg
Originally posted by smashyou
its their fault

Who's they? Who's fault?

snoochyboochies
Originally posted by leonheartmm
immogrations isnt the problem, poverty/inacceptance/lack of education in the past and teh present it. that led to a culture of lawlessness/illogical rebellion/glorifying success gained through illegal means{as the lower classes have many more barriers to the ideaof succes than the upper classes} as socity idealises it, and the use of force to gain rights when u know that the world is unfair are the reasons for the establishment of a culture of violence/lawlessness/gangs/crime etc.

however id like to point out that the white collar crimes in the upper class are far more damaging socially and economically than blue collar crimes comitted by the lower clases. {by a factor of atleast 40x}. however, since white collar crimes are often victimless in their immediate implicatiosn and the fact that they ar eunder reported/underrecorded/under prosecuted due to stereotypes of criminal personalities, means that much more attention is payed to thefts/murders/street violence etc. also, these crimes are more immedietly recogniseable than say, stealing millions by loopholes etc.

so really its our perception that makes us think as such.

What a load of crap! Blue collar criminals are the ones who rob people and make the scared to walk streets and burgle people, making them scared in their own homes. They're the ones who plague our streets and fill them with drugs. They're the ones who waste the time of the Police dealing their petty squabbles, leaving people who really need them neglected. They're the ones who kill innocent bystanders during their callous shootouts. White collar criminals may be gaining more financially but the impact of "blue collar" crime has a far greater impact on peoples communities lives and communities. The environment you grow up in is no excuse, everyone has a choice and if you choose to rob/steal/kill, you are scum, regardless of your background, class, ethnicity. Unfortunately, in the Uk and especially London where I live, allowing so many foreigners in without strict work permit rules, mean that people who come here find themselves without jobs, living in poverty and resorting to crime. Its no excuse, but it's a reason and it IS a result of relaxed immigration laws by the government.

smashyou
Originally posted by Tharg
Who's they? Who's fault? them

botankus
Originally posted by RedAlertv2
hai Czarina

On a related note, has that Cheesebits dingleberry been banned yet?

Tharg
Originally posted by botankus
On a related note, has that Cheesebits dingleberry been banned yet?



What?

botankus
Corrina's sock, just like every other ID in this forum.

Tharg
Originally posted by botankus
Corrina's sock, just like every other ID in this forum.

O.K. Because I know this Mr. Ree is the sock of another.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Tharg
O.K. Because I know this Mr. Ree is the sock of another. I wonder who else is one of those. Merry Christmas by the way.

Tharg
Originally posted by Bardock42
I wonder who else is one of those. Merry Christmas by the way.

Who knows? This forum seems like the last few minutes of an episode of Scooby Do.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Tharg
O.K. Because I know this Mr. Ree is the sock of another.

Were did you get that picture? confused

Tharg
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Were did you get that picture? confused

His sig in the comics section.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Tharg
His sig in the comics section.

So, Mr. Ree was Whirlysplat? eek!

Tharg
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, Mr. Ree was Whirlysplat? eek!

It would appear so. Whatever this Whirlysplat thing is. Whirlysplat that name is made of phail imo.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Tharg
It would appear so. Whatever this Whirlysplat thing is. Whirlysplat that name is made of phail imo.

Oh! Whirlysplat was an evil b*stard who eat children while posting on the forum. laughing

Tharg
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Oh! Whirlysplat was an evil b*stard who eat children while posting on the forum. laughing

That scum. I hope he dies of Aids.

RedAlertv2
Whirly is this even fun anymore? How can you not be bored of this?

botankus
Originally posted by Tharg
This forum seems like the last few minutes of an episode of Scooby Doo.

I don't laugh out loud very often, but this actually did the trick.

Quiero Mota

WrathfulDwarf
Uhhh....

El Mucho OWN3D!!!!

Deja~vu
I haven't read through it all, but sure, sure, people of different decents don't have values.

Whos whirlysplat? confused

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Deja~vu
...
Whos whirlysplat? confused

His more popular name is Account Restricted. laughing

Deja~vu
Is he an immigrant? An outcast in his country?

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Deja~vu

Whos whirlysplat? confused

Usually this is the part where people accuse you of being Whirly just for asking that.

Deja~vu
I'm a whirlysplat?

cry

Bardock42
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Usually this is the part where people accuse you of being Whirly just for asking that. Nah. That alone is not a good reason. Showing up a minute after another sock of his has gone. Asking that suddenly, participating in two thread the last one participated, behaving similarly, those are indicators though.

Deja~vu
Can I be one? smile

Tell me how. I want the attention.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Can I be one? smile

Tell me how. I want the attention.

Nah, you can't be one as such. You either are or are not. You are on the best way of being accused as one though. You do fine, you won't need my advice.

Acc. Restricted
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
His more popular name is Account Restricted. laughing


Best I could do.

smile

Deja~vu
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, you can't be one as such. You either are or are not. You are on the best way of being accused as one though. You do fine, you won't need my advice. smile

feel sorta left out though. Thx, I guess, if it's a good thing.

Acc. Restricted
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Usually this is the part where people accuse you of being Whirly just for asking that.

Agreed shifty How would I know that?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah. That alone is not a good reason. Showing up a minute after another sock of his has gone. Asking that suddenly, participating in two thread the last one participated, behaving similarly, those are indicators though.

You seem nice. Are you say the concept of banning this Whirlysplat individual is futile?

smile

Maybe i would get away with it if it wasn't for those kids and their damn dog!!

Bardock42
Originally posted by Acc. Restricted
Best I could do.

smile Oh hey, it's hard to be sure about your socks, so, since you are this one for more or less sure now, I wish you a very Merry Christmas, too.Originally posted by Deja~vu
smile

feel sorta left out though. Thx, I guess, if it's a good thing.

Well there are three options I guess.

Either you are him (or her shock) then you don't need to feel left out.
Or you aren't him and won't get banned, then you will not be left out in time
Or you aren't him and will get banned...in that case HA HA

Deja~vu
Maybe I should leave this thread then. I kinda thought it was something I could add to.

Acc. Restricted
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh hey, it's hard to be sure about your socks, so, since you are this one for more or less sure now, I wish you a very Merry Christmas, too.



Thanks man. He's not me. If I multi sock I like a theme, like the bears or Cats.

It was hilarious watching digimark say "Booboo Bear do you want to be banned like Yogi". It's that moment that makes all the work worthwile.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Acc. Restricted
Thanks man. He's not me. If I multi sock I like a theme, like the bears or Cats.

It was hilarious watching digimark say "Booboo Bear do you want to be banned like Yogi". It's that moment that makes all the work worthwile. Yeah, like a doctor that saved a childs life or something.

Acc. Restricted
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, like a doctor that saved a childs life or something.

Heh, I can really relate to that analogy. thumb up It's exactly like that.

smile

inimalist

SpearofDestiny

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I said my statement wrong.


If you watch Telemundo or any of the South American News Programs, they will report abuse against Hispanics in the United States, which U.S.A. will not cover. That's how I find out about the level of brutality against Hispanics, primilarily Mexicans.


I already know that porque yo lo he experimentado personalmente guey, so I don't need some anchorman to tell me.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny

Classism in South America is worse, because usually the Spaniard descendents who are "whiter looking" are far richer than the "cholos"- Incan and Native South American inhabitants.


I've always thought the South American definition of "cholo" was funny

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny

Not to mention, Meztizos, who because of racism and catholicism, are not only sometimes taught to be ashamed of thier "Indian" roots, but also know almost nothing about the mythologies of the Incas.

They should be proud. The Incan Empire was one of the greatest in History, they are considered the "Rome" of the early Western world.

Now that's just a damn shame, que no?

leonheartmm
Originally posted by inimalist
اللّه أكبر، ﺍﻨﺎ ﻠﯦﺲ أَمِيركِيّ العَربيّ

allah hu akbar analess amreeki al arabi

wtf is that supposed to mean??? confused

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