The Mormon Speech

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The Mormon Speech

Well, Mitt Romney must be getting ready to drop out of the race for President. He has given the ‘Mormon Speech’. In it he told us little about the bizarre sect and just repeated a lot of what we already know.
The United States of America was founded partly to provide a haven for religious freedom. As a result this nation protects Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Bhuddists, Muslims, Agnostics, Atheists and people who believe in witches and small singing mushrooms who live in the woods.
The Mormon’s have gotten their twisted views in the national spotlight and that should, hopefully, keep them quiet for 15 years or so. Putting Mitt Romney in the White House, however, makes little sense. His campaign, like that of Barack Obama, seems to be a vehicle for undermining our nation, rather than strengthening it. Barack Obama, you see, has a large following of fringe Muslims – some of whom believe that spaceships are circling earth prepared to destroy white people and put black people in command of the earth.
The Mormon religion was founded by one Mr. Smith – who was about 15 years old and apparently suffering from epilepsy as he (according to a Mormon instruction book) fell down a lot and immediately thereafter seemed to have a vision.
The boy grew to a man and along the way became convinced that an angel named Moroni revealed to him a metal book that described how Jews had landed in Chili hundreds of years before the birth of Christ. They believe that these Jews built the cities of the Incan, Mayan and Aztec empires and were eventually exterminated by the rest of the Indians in what appears to be one of the first holocausts.
The angel Moroni was apparently the ghost of the son of the last leader of the Jews, known as Nephites.
To give you an idea of the sort of racism that is promoted by the Mormon religion one need only to note the description of Native American Indians given by the ‘Book of Mormon’.
“The Lamanites led a roving, aggressive life; kept few or no records, and soon lost the art of history writing. They lived on the results of the chase and by plunder, degenerating in habit until they became typical progenitors of the dark-skinned race, afterward discovered by Columbus and named American Indians.”
Smith claimed to find the book on a mountain in New York near his home in Vermont . Later on he and some of his followers claimed that John the Baptist came back to life or descended from heaven and came to the United States to baptize them.
There were many reasons that the Mormons were driven west into the desert – among them were racism, marrying more than one woman and slavery.
Romney’s speech boiled down to, “I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it.”
Well that’s all well and good but do you want him to live by his faith while he is supposed to be working for you?
Spaceships filled with Black Panthers and Jews in Chile – you can’t say we don’t have a lively Presidential contest brewing up this time.

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Re: The Mormon Speech

Originally posted by cranston36
They believe that these Jews built the cities of the Incan, Mayan and Aztec empires

Why is it that so many schools of thought try to discredit the accomplishments of the Indians? One of the prominent theories of the Aztec pyramids is that aliens came down and made them, implying that the Aztecs weren't smart enough.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
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Re: The Mormon Speech

Why isn't this in the Mormon thread? It has nothing to do with politics. Just religion. And while we're talking about this, why don't I just clarify a few things about Mormons and Muslims. I'm not an expert, but I study theology a lot...especially the conflicts associated with it.

Originally posted by cranston36
His campaign, like that of Barack Obama, seems to be a vehicle for undermining our nation, rather than strengthening it. Barack Obama, you see, has a large following of fringe Muslims – some of whom believe that spaceships are circling earth prepared to destroy white people and put black people in command of the earth.

You are placing a political value on Obama using the Muslim religion. You are placing a value on the Muslim religion using a belief that only an infinitesimal minority of Muslims believe. Even if Obama hadn't already converted to Christianity, you're conclusion is illogical.

Originally posted by cranston36
They believe that these Jews built the cities of the Incan, Mayan and Aztec empires and were eventually exterminated by the rest of the Indians in what appears to be one of the first holocausts.

There you go again, placing a political value on a religion by discrediting a belief which most members of that religion don't even believe. Take it from me. I'm a Mormon. I should know. It has never been an official belief that the Lamanites are the Indians. It's just a wives tale boiled up by people with nothing better to do. I understand completely that it is easy to be confused about it. I used to be, too. But her is how you tell: it isn't an official belief unless either (1) it is stated in a passage of scripture or (2) it is stated by a General Authority. If you were a Catholic, would your religion be proven wrong just because somebody disproved something another Catholic said about history? No! Only if the Pope said it, right?

Originally posted by cranston36
There were many reasons that the Mormons were driven west into the desert – among them were racism, marrying more than one woman and slavery.

The Mormons settled into Missouri and were driven out because of their views on marriage, racism and slavery. Particularly racism and slavery. Missouri was a violent slave state, while the Mormons were the largest organized group from the North they had seen yet. The Mormons were against slavery and published more then a few overdone articles against it that pissed off a bunch of Missouri citizens. That is how the Mormons got themselves kicked out.

Funny you mention it as a negative thing.

Originally posted by cranston36

Romney’s speech boiled down to, “I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it.”
Well that’s all well and good but do you want him to live by his faith while he is supposed to be working for you?

Hillary doesn't have a problem with Obama's religion. Giuliani doesn't have a problem with Romney's religion. Huckabee doesn't have a problem with Romney's religion either. I'm just happy that the religious tolerance in the country is increasing. That is because people are starting to realize that religion and politics don't have to affect each other. Personally, I like Obama. But religion shouldn't make people's decisions for them.

Re: The Mormon Speech

Originally posted by cranston36
Well, Mitt Romney must be getting ready to drop out of the race for President. He has given the ‘Mormon Speech’. In it he told us little about the bizarre sect and just repeated a lot of what we already know...

First, the speech was not intended as a "Mormon Speech." Second, your post was not a response to the speech, but a statement that you were upset he did not explain the LDS religion. He stated that if you wanted to learn about the LDS faith you could go to mormon.org or wikipedia.

Mitt Romney's speech in a nutshell:

[list][*]There should be no religious test for presidential candidacy.[*]Mormon values are the same as other religious values, particularly Christian Values, exact beliefs are irrelevant to political office.[*]He is a Mormon, and that will not change.[/list]

You attack his beliefs yet his statement had nothing to do with his beliefs other than a statement that any belief should not impact a person's political decision as to any candidates adequacy for the position.

Mormon values that might impact his decisions as President:

[list][*]Strong families[*]Healthy behavior[*]Moral behavior towards others[/list]

Do these somehow conflict with your views of items that should impact a President's decision making?

He also stated religion had its realm of influence and government had its realm of influence. He as a President would be required to make decisions for all the US, not just for Mormons, and as such he would not be able to allow Mormons to sway his decision making away from those who were not LDS. He would have to represent the all the US, not just the Mormons.

Lastly, Romney was speaking to the republican religious conservative Christian right. He was saying, "You don't have to worry about me, my decisions will be based on the same values you hold, please vote for me." He said that, and he said it well.

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