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I think that is awesome that Will and Liz had a son I guess...well mostly for Will anyway but I have to say it must suck having your father around 1 day for every 10 years. I think it's kind of like what Bootstrap did to Will though his kid will essentially grow up with no father.

No one else feels it's kind of messed up? Okay, lol

yeah the ending really pisses me off. it makes no sense, its tragic, and it ruins half the character's lives. lame. sad. that's why i try to come up with alternate endings. lol.

LOL maybe I didn't mind the ending but when I thought about it was like wow Little Willie Turner's daddy is a pirate and he won't grow up with him either

i mean, i think Elizabeth is fully capable of raising a kid on her own and rocking out the pirate king on the weekends, but it's not very fun. Liz gets no action, the kid gets no father, Jack gets no pearl, Will gets the most depressing job ever for eternity, James is dead, Swann is dead, Beckett is dead, and Gibbs has a teddy bear. I really don't know what to say aside from, BOOOO.

Originally posted by katelovespirate
i mean, i think Elizabeth is fully capable of raising a kid on her own and rocking out the pirate king on the weekends, but it's not very fun. Liz gets no action, the kid gets no father, Jack gets no pearl, Will gets the most depressing job ever for eternity, James is dead, Swann is dead, Beckett is dead, and Gibbs has a teddy bear. I really don't know what to say aside from, BOOOO.
Well i mean when you put it like that..lol it does kind of suck. Though i like the idea of Jack still having to struggle a bit. I think Pirates should have ended after COTB. That was a great ending

2 cents worth please if you don't mind: I think Will has major helper mentality working. He would be good at his job, just as my hospice nurse friends are--capable of doing something to ease another human being into the passing from this life--on to next. I'm old school in believing in reincarnation--Great Mandala, circle of life.

Ending almost made me pull my teeth out with my own fingers, I was so depressed over the dad gum thing. Rotten that Barbossa stole the Pearl, Rotten that one day--and part of me says romantically oh,,,,,the one day---rest of me says, rainy days are great for piling up in the kivers with your snuggle buddy and amusing yourself with all the clever combos to which you can contort.

I believe in Free Range Jack--the trickster has got to be free and mobile. Free isn't without cost, being in a relationship, same. Unfortunately Jack has this burden--he must be free. All of his crew those we know of, would be lost if he decided to hit the porch and stay there.

I don't know if it's becos the myth/legend idea is so set in my brain or I have people in my life (3 men 'friends') who come and go. Nothing sweeter in this world than seeing their faces at my door--for a while after they are gone, nothing sadder. In between, they are free.

Ending is not an ending--I feel like I got lead astray--and not in a good way.

small OT--happy almost birthday S&B, glad you are here sharing and striving.

The kid was a huge mistake IMO. Will is cursed, Jack is gone, so for the heck of it why not throw in a kid so that Lizzie has to take care of him alone. She doesn't have her father to help her, she doesn't have Will or Jack as company. What kind of life would that be, she sees him for ONE DAY, out of TEN YEARS. Her son grows up with out a father figure, who knows what kind of effect that'll have on him, he'll end up just like Will

Honestly that ending isn't fair for any shipping and even the no shippers. Everyone just ends up miserable, even if jack is somewhat happy there is no proper closier for him.

I honestly hate the fact that they are going to make a 4th movie all about Jack, it's so annoying when people make spin-offs. I would only watch POTC 4 if it had at least Lizzie in it, otherwise I'd just leave my image of Jack Sparrow as it was in AWE. I don't need to see him commercialized and made into a pathetic Disney joke.

lets hope the kid will want to remain waiting for will after Liz is dead..I thought it HAD to be the one who loves him truly..surely he loves his "dad" but its not the same.

I personally think that Liz doesn't have to keep meeting him so he stays "nice"

Everyone makes a lot of good points, and thanks for the early happy birthday!

The ending is kind of sucking to me now too now that people have elaborated more on how they dislike it. Really the only person I truly cared about at the end was Captain Jack Sparrow though and I did enjoy his ending. He was still Captain Jack Sparrow just the same and he was off to do his thing again.

Has a fourth movie been confirmed yet? I would be excited about a Captain Jack Sparrow movie as long as he got to remain a clever wheeler and dealer. His character is the stand out in the series IMO. I'd watch it with just him but I'm not interested in seeing Elizabeth in it. Maybe young Will Turner or Will Turner in it would be nice though.

Honestly there must be a limit to how much boredom Will Turner can provide, I like to think he reached it in AWE.

Originally posted by RememberS&S
Honestly there must be a limit to how much boredom Will Turner can provide, I like to think he reached it in AWE.
LMAO really I did not like Will in Pirates one much at all but I grew to like him more and more as the series progressed. I really wouldn't mind if him and his son were in a Captain Jack Sparrow movie because Captain Jack Sparrow really needs a straight man and Will to me is pretty good for that.

Or him even taking on Will's son wouldn't be so bad to me.

Oooooo, male bonding and fun adventures, sounds like 2 and 1/2 men and Hornblower mixed together.

I'd totally go spend my well earned money on 3 hours of that pure Disney fun!

Originally posted by RememberS&S
Oooooo, male bonding and fun adventures, sounds like 2 and 1/2 men and Hornblower mixed together.

I'd totally go spend my well earned money on 3 hours of that pure Disney fun!


What would you want from a fourth Pirates movie? I'd like to see that myself!

Originally posted by LovelyOne
lets hope the kid will want to remain waiting for will after Liz is dead..I thought it HAD to be the one who loves him truly..surely he loves his "dad" but its not the same.

I personally think that Liz doesn't have to keep meeting him so he stays "nice"

I agree...I don't think Liz has to keep meeting Will for him to stay nice....

and do we really have absolute 100% proof that the kid at the end is Will's son?

And yes, please...no more Will in the Pirates movies....I 've been bored by will turner long enough.......let him stay aboard the dutchman and ferry lost souls.....

As I've said before, they should've stopped at CotBP, and now that they did AWE, they should stop there. But no, they want more fans and more money and I just don't see the point.

For me they can't do anything more with the characters and even if they do, it'll just be corny. I just hate the idea of seeing these fantastic characters and amazing actors go to waste to provide cheap entertainment to children.

I don't mind if they go and make a movie for kids but to have a PG 13 film with death and love and romance to just turn around and make it a cartoon again, that's pathetic. But honestly there is no point in arguing about it, I'm acting like a pouty child. I just loved CotBP and DMC, AWE brutally murdered my passion for anything, I'll just never hope for anything in a movie again. T&T destroyed my hope in good writing.

There's nothing I can do about it so...ya...I've given up on POTC.

And just to bring this back to the topic, I hope Will's son doesn't turn out to be momma's boy, he'll probably spend most of his life with Lizzie. Shows how screwed everyone is in AWE.

O IA to some extent RS&S I was just watcing Pirates one and two again. COTB is definitely the best but I think DMC gets beat up a little too much it was actually pretty decent only disappointing in the fact that it can't stand as a movie on it's own you have to watch part 3 after you see it since it's essentially one big trailer for that movie.

They did ruin the franchines with part 3 IMO...however I still would be curious to see what a Captain Jack Sparrow movie would be like and Johnny did say he'd only do it if the movie was good.

I don't think young William will grow up to be too much of a mother's boy his mother is a bit of a tomboy

That's true, he'll probably grow up learning swordfighting and kicking ass with his mom. Maybe they'll show him somewhat grown up and immortal Jack will come along and whisk him away on an adventure. All I'm hoping for is that they don't show Elizabeth old and wrinkled before they finally kill her off, for that I would consider hunting T&T down and hurting them very very badly.


All I ask of POTC 4 is that they respect the first trilogy and the characters in it. I just pray that they don't shame the reputation of it by making it all unrealistic.

Originally posted by RememberS&S
That's true, he'll probably grow up learning swordfighting and kicking ass with his mom. Maybe they'll show him somewhat grown up and immortal Jack will come along and whisk him away on an adventure. All I'm hoping for is that they don't show Elizabeth old and wrinkled before they finally kill her off, for that I would consider hunting T&T down and hurting them very very badly.


All I ask of POTC 4 is that they respect the first trilogy and the characters in it. I just pray that they don't shame the reputation of it by making it all unrealistic.
I wouldn't mind old wrinked Elizabeth before she gets killed off LOL

But immortal Captain Jack, that could be fun

Alittle to unrealistic and there's no fun in that, he can't die so there's no rush to anything he does. If anything, he'll get bored in the first year and probably suffer till Jesus comes down and saves him.

And saying you'd like to see Lizzie old and wrinkled is like saying you'd like to see Jack old and wrinkled to me. She's just as important a character as Jack and Will. People undermine her way to much. She's a single mom now for godsake and she has to deal with all that stress and crap from everything that went wrong in AWE around her.

She must be a strong person to handle all of that, I respect her alot cause of her determined personality.

Originally posted by RememberS&S
Alittle to unrealistic and there's no fun in that, he can't die so there's no rush to anything he does. If anything, he'll get bored in the first year and probably suffer till Jesus comes down and saves him.

And saying you'd like to see Lizzie old and wrinkled is like saying you'd like to see Jack old and wrinkled to me. She's just as important a character as Jack and Will. People undermine her way to much. She's a single mom now for godsake and she has to deal with all that stress and crap from everything that went wrong in AWE around her.

She must be a strong person to handle all of that, I respect her alot cause of her determined personality.
Well I think immortal Captain Jack would be fun but i think the best part would be him seeing that he's bored with his immortality he liked living life on the edge type of thing. I wouldn't want him to stay that way I'm sure there's some way to reverse the fountain of youth stuff as there's a million ways to do anything in the Pirates verse.

I'm not knocking Elizabeth importance I just hope if there is a movie centered on Captain Jack Sparrow there's as little of her in it as possible is all. I much like his firstmate though I would not mind him being in it either. Whatever they do though I hope it's got lots of adventure.

wait, are we sure there will be a fourth film?

i just can't make up my mind whether i want one or not. I think it would boil down to Yes, IF...

Yes, IF Captain Jack was back, and the star.

Yes, IF Will and Elizabeth weren't in it... (not cause i dont love them, but because i am ready for a new story)

Yes, IF Jack get's a new fun love interest of some kind (even if its a short term deal)

Yes, IF the same writers are back... and the same art direction, costumes, camera crew, etc... (i know, i know, we all sort of lost our faith in the writers, but i have loved all their other films and am willing to give them a second chance)

Yes, IF Jerry produces it... just because i like the requisite amount of explosions and battles.

Yes, IF Gibbs, Barbossa, the dog, and maybe a few other characters return to give it a good vibe.

If they do a Captain Jack Sparrow movie I hope he does get a fun romance and that the female character doesn't grate. Hollywood rarely gets a female love interest to the hero in movies right IMO they always either over do her bad assness or her damsel in distressness.

I definitely have hopes for a little Sparrbosa. I love them

Originally posted by katelovespirate
wait, are we sure there will be a fourth film?

i just can't make up my mind whether i want one or not. I think it would boil down to Yes, IF...

1. Yes, IF Captain Jack was back, and the star.

2. Yes, IF Will and Elizabeth weren't in it... (not cause i dont love them, but because i am ready for a new story)

3. Yes, IF Jack get's a new fun love interest of some kind (even if its a short term deal)

4. Yes, IF the same writers are back... and the same art direction, costumes, camera crew, etc... (i know, i know, we all sort of lost our faith in the writers, but i have loved all their other films and am willing to give them a second chance)

5. Yes, IF Jerry produces it... just because i like the requisite amount of explosions and battles.

6. Yes, IF Gibbs, Barbossa, the dog, and maybe a few other characters return to give it a good vibe.

Rumors I've heard maybe will help u decide Kate!

1. Yes Cap. Jack will be back. So will Johnny (reportedly getting anywhere between 30-40 million for a Pirates 4 depending on Budget)

2. If a Pirates 4 were to happen Will and Liz will not be in it, if plot doesn't call for a cameo or something.

3. lol...well from our speculation we want Kate Beckensile...lol

4. Gore will direct. Ted and Terry will write Pirates 4 (actually already in the works....this from TnT's mouths themselves). Hans Zimmer will NOT do the music, he expressed publically at the premiere of AWE to not call him for a 4th Pirates that he is ready to move on. Art direction, well I heard something about Flying contraptions (i just hope they don't recreate Will Smith's tradgedy of Wild Wild West) and finding Alantis the Lost City!

5. Jerry Brukhiemer will produce. (he is the one who really wants a 4th Pirate film)

6. Gibbs and definately BARBOSSA will return!

Hope that helps hun!

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
No one else feels it's kind of messed up? Okay, lol I feel it is d*** depressing.

As long as the series doesn't go stale. It's the same way with this new Indiana Jones movie coming out. I don't know how to feel about it. Jack has reached that movie character status that Indiana Jones has and I grew up watching Indy, so I'm glad to see him back, but at the same time, is it going to have the magic of the previous movies? Is it going to be true to the characters and the story? I typically don't trust sequels.

It won't go stale if I'm alive.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
As long as the series doesn't go stale. It's the same way with this new Indiana Jones movie coming out. I don't know how to feel about it. Jack has reached that movie character status that Indiana Jones has and I grew up watching Indy, so I'm glad to see him back, but at the same time, is it going to have the magic of the previous movies? Is it going to be true to the characters and the story? I typically don't trust sequels.

I agree...lot's of characters that played a major role in potc,won't be back..so who's left? Jack,Liz,Will,son,and barbossa and his 'crew'.and if Will and Liz arent to return..what would the plot be?

The next level of sexiness.... (fuzzy..)

More please!?