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Luke 1:54 He hath holpen his servant Israel

Luke 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

Jesus is the ruler of Israel.

Finding Bible quotes to make some ridiculous point is nothing new.

So lulz and all, but this thread is either a joke or not a whole lot of thought went into it.

A joke.

Indeed.

Lulz

Fail?

Israel is also a name of a person who stands for a race of people.

Originally posted by lord xyz
A joke.

There is already a joke thread here...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
There is already a joke thread here... mmm Doesn't seem like the same thing.

Jesus was a Jew. Therefore Jews rule Israel.

Jacobs name was changed to Israel after he wrestled with an angel. Some believe it was Jesus that was the angel. So, God changed his name. In God's eyes, he was not the Jacob, the liar, the supplanter, the deceiver; but Israel, the prince with God.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Luke 1:54 He hath holpen his servant Israel

Luke 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

Jesus is the ruler of Israel.

The Bible actually says the Jewish people will return to, and rule, Israel...which they have.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Jesus was a Jew. Therefore Jews rule Israel. Jesus ruled the Jews.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The Bible actually says the Jewish people will return to, and rule, Israel...which they have. Jesus ruled the Jews.

And are you missing, the Bible says Jesus is the ruler of Israel.

Jesus's followers were Jews. Therefore Christians are Jews.
Pagans converted to Jewsusism, therefore, Pagans are Jewsus.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Jesus ruled the Jews.

Jesus ruled the Jews.

And are you missing, the Bible says Jesus is the ruler of Israel. Yah. Jesus is the lord of Israel, we get it. A+ for quoting. F for understanding the implications.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The Bible actually says the Jewish people will return to, and rule, Israel...which they have. Could you quote the verse.

Wow.....just wow.

Did I miss something? I didn't see a verse quoted where it stated that the Jews will return to Israel?

well actually, isnt that exactly the reason churches in america pay billions to israel annually as well as awesome right winng support for israel and a lot of americans not caring a bit about thousands or hudreds of thousands killed/affected in palestine/gaze strip/lebona while a single death in israel at the hands of a terrorist makes every1 go "poor innocent civilians, damned be those fundamentalist evil terrorists". ? no top of the fact that israelis{although based on the old testament} beleive the entire area to belong to them divinely, and hence illegal occupation and illegal wars etc. infact, isnt the current state of israel based on that very ideology and isnt christian support and fuinding based on that philosophy?

if you look at what the israelis and evangelicals are rooting for in the destruction of the dome of the rock mosque and wanting and PAYING gratiously to replace it by the new temple of solomon{which reprsents the coming back of the messiah/kingdom of god/end times to BOTH christians and jews in prophecy} , then its pretty clear that the greater masses beleive in the statement.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the greater masses beleive in the statement. Lol wut?

let me restate. the greater christian masses beleive that israel belongs to the jews and later reverted christians who will fight against the antichrist and quite a few beleive that for the rapture to come true, the temple of solomon has to be rebuilt which wud hail the coming of christ to earth again.

the jews beleive that the land is theirs to own by god and the rebuilding of the temple will provide their right to be the supreme race and have the house of god rebuilt blah blah

both iidiotic self fulfilling prophecies

you forgott the Islam view on it to add 2 up to 3

oh yea. but admittedly, islam doesnt have any mystical connections to armageddon and what not with the land. it just apparently belongs to muslims cause of the dome of the rock. unless ive forgotten sumthing.

doesnt matter, all idiotic.

indeed, cause it belongs to those who actually are strong enough to rule it

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Jesus was a Jew. Therefore Jews rule Israel.

then why aren't Christians Jews?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Finding Bible quotes to make some ridiculous point is nothing new.

So lulz and all, but this thread is either a joke or not a whole lot of thought went into it. What about Movie Quotes. Exempli gratia:Originally posted by lord xyz
Luke 1:54 He hath holpen his servant Israel

Luke 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
"Man, get out of my face with that shit. The mother****er who said that never had to pick up itty bitty pieces of skull on account of your dumb ass." Pulp Fiction

Originally posted by Nellinator
Yah. Jesus is the lord of Israel, we get it. A+ for quoting. F for understanding the implications. Did you miss where I said joke?

because they follow the teachings of jesus later to be called christ thus the name of the followers. They believe jesus to be the messiahs, the jews dont see nor believe that jesus was a messiahs so they are still waiting for the messiahs

Originally posted by lord xyz
Did you miss where I said joke? Yes.

Originally posted by muslimscholar
then why aren't Christians Jews?

Most Jews couldn't accept Christ. Why aren't Muslims Jews?

erm, because their prophet wasnt a jew and set out a very different path maybe ???

Mohammed's idea of a single God is said to be largely influenced by the Jews he encountered in his trade.

Using a story book to justify ruling a plot of land? I guess I can use "Green Eggs & Ham" to justify not eating breakfast?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Using a story book to justify ruling a plot of land? I guess I can use "Green Eggs & Ham" to justify not eating breakfast?

Sure. Why not?

The Bible speaks of five different covenants that God made with the nation of Israel. Four of the covenants are unconditional in nature. That is, regardless of Israel's obedience or disobedience God still will fulfill these covenants with the nation of Israel. One of the covenants is conditional in nature. That is, this covenant will bring either blessing or cursing depending on the Israel's obedience or disobedience.

The Adamic covenant can be thought of in two parts: the Edenic Covenant (innocence) and the Adamic Covenant (grace) (Genesis 3:16-19). The Edenic Covenant is found in Genesis 1:26-30; 2:16-17. The Edenic Covenant outlined man’s responsibility toward creation and God’s directive regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The Adamic Covenant included the curses pronounced against mankind for the sin of Adam and Eve, as well as God’s provision for that sin (Genesis 3:15).

Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 12:1-3, 6-7; 13:14-17; 15; 17:1-14; 22:15-18). In this covenant, God promised many things to Abraham. He personally promised that he would make Abraham’s name great (Genesis 12:2), that he would have numerous physical descendents (Genesis 13:16), and that he would be the father of a multitude of nations (Genesis 17:4-5). God also made promises regarding a nation called Israel. In fact, the geographical boundaries of the Abrahamic covenant are laid out on more than one occasion in the book of Genesis (12:7; 13:14-15; 15:18-21). Another provision in the Abrahamic covenant is that the families of the world will be blessed through the physical line of Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 22:18). This is a reference to the Messiah, who would come from the line of Abraham.

Palestinian Covenant (Deuteronomy 30:1-10). The Palestinian covenant amplifies the land aspect which was detailed in the Abrahamic covenant. In this covenant, God, because of their disobedience, would cause the people of the nation to be scattered around the world (Deuteronomy 30:3-4), and that God would eventually restore the nation together (verse 5). When the nation is restored, then the nation will obey him perfectly (verse 8), and God will cause them to prosper (verse 9).

Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7:8-16). The Davidic covenant amplifies the seed aspect which was detailed in the Abrahamic covenant. The promises to David in this passage are very significant. God promised that David's physical line of descent would last forever and that his kingdom would never pass away permanently (verse 16). This kingdom, furthermore, would have a ruling individual exercising authority over it (verse 16). Obviously, the Davidic throne has not been in place at all times. There will be a time, however, when someone from the line of David will again sit on the throne and rule as king. This future king is Jesus (Luke 1:32-33).

New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34). The New covenant is a covenant made with the nation of Israel which speaks about the blessings which are detailed in the Abrahamic covenant. In the new covenant, God promises to forgive sin and there will be a universal knowledge of the Lord (verse 34). It even appears that the nation of Israel will have a special relationship with their God (verse 33).

Mosaic Covenant (Deuteronomy 11; et al). The Mosaic covenant was a conditional covenant that either brought God's direct blessing for obedience or God's direct cursing for disobedience upon the nation of Israel. Part of the Mosaic covenant was the ten commandments found in Exodus 20, but also the rest of the law which contained over 600 commands—roughly 300 positive and 300 negative. The history books of the Old Testament (Joshua-Esther) detail how Israel succeeded at obeying the law or how Israel failed miserably at obeying the law. Deuteronomy 11:26-28 details specifically the blessing/cursing motif.

Within the discussion of the biblical covenants, there are a few issues that Christians are not agreed upon. First, some Christians think that all of the covenants are conditional in nature. If the covenants are conditional, then Israel failed miserably at fulfilling them. Others believe that the unconditional covenants have yet to be totally fulfilled and regardless of Israel's disobedience will come to fruition sometime in the future. Second, how does the church of Jesus Christ relate to the covenants? Some believe that the church fulfills the covenants and God will never deal with Israel again. This is called replacement theology and has little scriptural evidence. Others believe that the church initially or partially will fulfill these covenants. While many of the promises towards Israel are still in the future, many believe that the church shares in the covenants in some way. Others believe that the covenants are for Israel and for Israel alone, and that the church is absent from these covenants.

www.gotquestions.org/bible-covenants.html