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I hope Yoda gets to fight Darth Sidious in Episode III.

"Deceived me, you have."

So then Yoda would make another stalemate?

We know they both have to survive, unless Sidious has cloned himself.

Darth Sidious cloning himself is (EU) in Dark Empire I, II, and III. I'm sure GL will come up with something interesting.

you never know..he could have cloned himself..lol

no fight between them

I would not be surprised if this happens and if Palpatine wins (though clearly not fatally)

I think it would be kinda lame. They both live, we know that. Unless we have some ROTJ-type Dooku returns to Light-side and saves Yoda (which would be pretty lame), one of them would die in that fight.

Dooku is bad and has no reason to turn back, which would only cheapen Anakin;s ROTJ plot.

It would make for an interesting fight....but I dunno....I highly doubt it

Yeah that would be a good one ! Wonder if Palpatine uses lightsabres.

yoda vs anakin, now that would be good.

Clinton vs Bush too

I wonder if Bush uses lightsabres.

He would probably stab himself.


I always though Yoda would fight Sidous but how would they make it different to Yoda v Dooku?

No idea; I am not sure how much they can push the Wizard's Battle idea. If it is a creative nightmare it may be dropped for that very reason.

I don't think a yoda vs Sidious fight will come at all...

Ok, say it doesn't... how can the bad guys win with Yoda undefeated?

overwhelming powers against him?

Yeah, but that's not really reliable... the heart of the Empire is personalities (Tarkin, Vader, The Emperor) and I would imagine that that if Yoda is stronger than all fo them then the project would be REAL hard to get off the ground.

Maybe Yoda had some kind of vision that "prevented" him from chopping Vader, Palpy, and all the rest of the baddies into Dark Side Midichlorians. Maybe he had a vision that someone sometime 20 years after the events of Episode III, a young man would be reared by a long-lost Jedi Master who would die on some ominous space station to help him escape so he could eventually train with Yoda (hint hint).

Well ok we all know that Yoda may have been more powerful than Vader, Palpy, and Dooku combined...but remember, he does have a deep connection w/ the Force and may have seen the demise of any hope for the Republic had he chopped up Vader, Dooku, and Palpy into microscopic lifeforms.

I do not see why. If he had killed Palpatine then the whole deal would have been sorted. It is only the Dark Lord of the Sith causing all the trouble anyway.

Heh hey don't ask me...I'm just here to throw stuff in the air...not think

Fair enough...

I think we can assume that Yoda would have stopped the Emperor if he could.

that is for sure

Yip. There must be some reason that Yoda is in hiding and doesn't defeat the Emperor.

Sheer strength of numbers.
It's not just the emperor and vader ... it's also the military might at their command. Yoda could defeat either the emperor or vader or both singlehandedly ... but even he cant take on thousands of stormtroopers on his own. And Sidious, may not have allowed a one to one confrontation between himself and Yoda to occur ... so Yoda would have to basically hide and remain incognito to escape from the huge imperial forces at the emperor's command, which would be searching for him.

As I have pointed out, though, the Empire is run on personalities. While Yoda could not defeat the Empire as an entity that is a whole different thing from stopping the Emperor personally, who is not continually accompanied by a million men or anything like that. And defeating the Emperor would end the whole deal.

Yoda does not stop the Emperor. Yoda would stop the Emperor if he could. If I had to make a list of reasons as to why he could not do so, there would be many reasons on it, but the simplest, and so top of the list, would be that the Emperor is too powerful for him.

And I would not think it at all unlikely that this demonstration would be made in person. It would certainly be thematically appropriate.

But it is not certain by a long way and it is certainly possible that Yoda is simply outmanoeuvred to the point where direct confrontation is no longer practical.

Well I guess we'll know for sure only when Ep.3 releases it. In the end, I guess it will be upto George Lucas, and the way he sees the two personalities ... I for one do not think he would show Yoda being defeated by the emperor. But we'll find out in 2 and a half years I guess.

Yup. Though I would think such a finale would get leaked first if it was going to happen.

Oh yeah ... such an end would leak so fast, it would be all over the net even before Lucas yelled "Cut ! "

I highly doubt that Yoda and Palpatine would fight. Remember in every Star Wars movie made there has been one major lightsaber dual. Ep IV-Obi-Wan vs. Vader, V-Luke vs. Vader, VI, Luke vs. Vader, I-Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon vs. Maul, II-Yoda vs. Dooku. So in Ep III it is probably going to be Obi-Wan vs. Anakin.

You have a valid point. Still, one never knows with GL.

That's great if your right! 'Cause that would mean that Anakin will make short work out of Count Dooku!

Darth Ninja, you are one of those people who want to see Dooku slaughter showing that he is no real match for Anakin aren't you?

Count Dooku is anything but a wimp. After all, he supposedly was one of Qui-Gon Jinn's teachers. I like Dooku (as a villain). He reminds me of Joruus C'boath (EU Dark Jedi Master). However, I'm very eager to see Anakin become Darth Vader (especially, when he puts on the black armor and masked helmet). If Dooku puts a good fight, great. If he gets slaughtered . . . well . . . he had it coming to him the moment he turned to the darkside.

I think it'd be good for Dooku to get beat easily by the dark side Anakin just to show how much stronger the dark side makes Anakin. Then when he fights OB1, OB1 could mess with his emotions and simply outsmart his former student. As for Yoda and Sidious as much as I'd like to see the two fight I doubt it happens, Yoda would have to lose and there is no way Sidious would let Yoda get away alive.

What will probably happen is that yoda sees the empire invading coruscant and killing all of the Jedi. So he takes off the planet knowing that he doesn't have a chance while obi-wan confronts Anakin for the major dual in Ep 3.

guess the first part aint gonna be that way

The main lightsaber duel is ALWAYS at the end of the movie. If GL wants to show more of the 'classic' Darth Vader, then Obi-Wan will have to battle Anakin earlier in the movie. Perhaps, the last duel is Mace Windu bravely fighting against Darth Vader and sacrifices himself to cover Padme (or someone else's) escape.

Darth Ninja that could be it. And maybe Obi-Wan and Bail Organa are escorting her to Alderan

And another reason why Sidious/Palpatine wouldn't fight yoda was covered in another thread. They said that Palpatine was a mysterious person in all the other movies and it would be highly doubtful that he would fight in Ep III.

Only GL knows whats going to happen, unles you all want to go kidnap him? HINT HINT!

The emperor was mysterious through out ep IV, V to yet we saw him using his powers in ep VII

Yes, but he used his powers at the end of the movie. Waiting till the very end to reveal the mystery behind the emperor. And I think I will go kidnapped GL.

I don't think Darth Sidious would be foolish enough to place his own life at risk. He knows that Yoda could kill him.

lol ?

the gullible jedi council members still doesn't know that a sith controls the senate, which really sucks for them since palpatine will control anakin and anakin will kill nearly all of them.

on another note, yoda acts so much better in the new movies

Perhaps Yoda and Palpy fight, and they are of equal or nearly equal power, and Yoda, seeing that it is a stalemate, fakes his own death to escape. (Maybe he falls off a cliff and uses the Force to levitate.)
But I still go by what I said before, that Yoda could beat Dooku with his gimer stick.

I think its a force war. Not the one with lightsabres just plainly using the force. That is if sideous really fights yoda. Doubt it but i'm not knocking out the possibility.
Wonder though, another force lighting here and there thing like in AOTC? Hope not.Maybe something more creative ala Exar Kun vs. Ulic Qel Droma.(Note all speculations)

I never did like that Qel Droma guy

He's a EU Jedi/Sith character in several of The Tale of Jedi comic series. I doubt both Ulic or Exar Kun will even be mentioned in Episode III. It would be kinda pointless. Remember, EU is not CANON.

Would Palps even know which end of the lightsaber to use? This is the dude that dismisses them as a "jedi weapon" in RoTJ. I don't see a duel between the two. Its one of the fundamental character traits of palps that he uses his apprentices as weapons and operates behind the scenes.

I agree, Darth nerf. Palpatine prefers to sit in the shadows while his Dark Lords battle Jedi.(Phantom Menace, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi)

He didn't 'dismiss' it as a Jedi weapon- he was virtually complimenting it as such.

Darth Vader: "His lightsaber."
Darth Sidious: "Ah, yes. A Jedi's weapon's"

Darth Sidious certainly knows how use a lightsaber. He taught Darth Maul the Sith style of lightsaber fighting.

Yes, I agree absolutely. Palpy/Sidious must know of lightsaber technique. As pointed out by you, someone had to train Maul. Obviously, it was Sidious, his master. Nobody else would have trained him in the arts.

maul's style was cool. more jedi should learn the twinsaber techniques.

Palpatine is one of my favorite characters, can't ya tell? Well he doesn't rely on a lightsaber. He relies totally on the power of the dark side of the force. He does know how to use them but he prefers to use the dark side of the force. I can assure you he will not use a lightsaber in ep 3.

Thanks for posting your thoughts, Djas!

palpatine will use his electric thing

Ah yes, Force Lightning. That is Palpatines favorite weapon. But I there is a slim chance that yoda and palpatine are going to fight in Ep III. But that doesn't mean you can't keep hoping. But who knows maybe they will but maybe that won't. I always put a negative to things.

I personally don't believe they will fight in the next film. There seem to be loads of reasons against this theory.

palpatine dont look like the saber fighting type

Yeah he might want to sit back and let whoever his current apprentice is be the one to break a sweat.

tho he is more powerful right?

That would be so stupid if Yoda doesn't fight Sidious in Episode 3. It would be cool to see the Jedi grandmaster battling the Sith master!

i dunno, GL got some crazy ideas

Then we all love crazy.

I still say the two don't have it out. Too tricky seeing as we know both survive into the original films.

Yeah, but they could still fight. Maybe in the middle of it they try to help their partnes butts.

A possible event, though I still do not think they will fight each other at all.

Anything ia possible.almost.

True but in this case if the two fought then each would know the other is still alive after the remaining Jedi go into hiding. There is no indication in the original trilogy that they could even sense Yoda's presance at all.I stand by my opinion that there is no direct confrontation between them. Others have gone to some lengths to describe possible scenarios but I don't buy them myself.

You just changed my opinion. I agree with you now. Good job.

Ah well I knew you would come around to my way of thinking. After all, I am a genius in my mind.

Your a genius in my mind too.

Thanks. I knew we had a great thing going here. Wait until our minds get tired from talking nothing but Star Wars.

Not until its all said and done.

i saw a trailer for episode3 although i think it was an overview trailer of episode2 and 3 and i saw christopher walken and and some girl jedi does anyone know who these people are in the movie ?

christopher walken? sounds like one of the fan film trailer for ep II

no i highly doubt its a fan made trailer, ive never seen a fan made trailer. so it could be. I downloaded it off of kazaa. The music matches the screen shots perfectly and the lucas logo is on it. Walken is in a scene in full make up with that guy who was in that cop show who is in episode2. Walken looks as if hes supposed to be a sith he's wearing contacts giving him all white eyes. At the end of it it says episode two but is filled with scenes that arent in episode2

It's a fan made trailer, Rages. Rather famously so.

in my opinion is that sidous and yoda won't fight because there would only be one winner and and the loser would be died and we know that the are alive in epsodes 4,5,6 so i don't think that they would fight but i like the idea about mace windu dieing to hide the fact the padme escapes that could happen

Another Yoda fight??? You will recall that Yoda does not master the Force lightnings. He is capable of repeling them but not creating them. That is only a dark side trait I believe. Sidious obviously never uses a light saber, why??? Because we never see him doing it. And what would be the outcome of this fight??? Another Dooku style scene with Sidious escaping after pulling a cheap trick??? Not likely. A Yoda vs Sidious fight would have to be a fatal one, all other options have already been used up by GL. Dooku runs away, and Anakin is badly injured and presumed dead. How do you see such a fight ending without the death of both protaginists( who may I remind you have to survive to make three more movies)??

Yoda did fire those lightning back at Dooku though

yoda wins, end of story. u don't hear about dooku in the OT thus dooku won't make big impact in ep3.

what i understand that there only can be 2 sith and if that is the case dooku has to die because anakin become vader if that is true about the 2 rule of the sith

true that, true that.....

Rumors are getting stronger about Yoda fighting in Episode 3 and Sidious fighting in Episode 3. I'm still hoping the Jedi Grandmaster battles it out with the Sith Master.

Apparantly Palpatine DOES have a saber...

as things stand now, big rumor has it Yoda will fight Sidious

I think Yoda would kick the ass off of Darth Sidious . . .

If they go at it...Sidious/Vader should beat Yoda so badly that they believe he is dead. Neither of them mention his existance in the OT, it is always "Obi Wan has tought you well", or "He is just a boy, Obi Wan can no longer help him". No mention of the possibility of Yoda being out there somewhere.

well, he was pretty old and could have died of old age

Darth Sidious will beat Yoda no matter how old Yoda is. The Dark side of the Force is more powerful than the light because it tap in destructive energies while the light side tap in gentle energies. But there is a catch, the more you use of this evil force the more it consume you, eventually you will be toasted by those dark energies.

Btw Sidious has more midichlorian than Yoda. Thus it greatly strengthen is magics and give him furthermore an advantage.

Sith Spells are undoubtedly far superior to those of Dark Jedi's thus equally superior to those of the Jedi's.

the only one we know a bit the midichlorian count of is anakin: over twenty thousand, the rest we don'tk now

I don't believe that Sidious has more midichlorians that Yoda. I also don't believe Lucas will show Yoda losing to Sidious. The duel will probably be a draw with someone helping Sidious turn the tide. Lucas would never have the guts to show Yoda getting trounced one on one.

Actually, the Light Side IS stronger.

Remember this scene?

Luke - Master Yoda, is the Dark Side stronger?
Yoda - No. Quicker, easier, more seductive.

DN, Yoda never said the light side is stronger, he said that the dark side is not stronger, they can still be equaly powerful

Power is who wields it, not how strong that power is to start with. We all know Nukes are very powerful, but that depends on who wields that power.

I think Papltine will hurt and disable Yoda but let him live to in typical evil fashion 'to see your faliure become complete'

Darth Sidious manage to to hide himself to the Jedi's; Yoda and the Jedi's can't sense Sidious even if they are face to face. Moreover the Emperor manipulate the Senate, the Separatists, and the Jedi's and use them to work his plan. The dark side blind the Jedi's that they cannot see what's going on. We talk one man(Sidious) against the whole Jedi's bunch and they were powerless to find out. Now one can think 10 000 Sith's vs 10 000 Jedi's would be...

Darth Sidious will defeat Yoda in short time... It will be a fact when the third episode will be out.

No way! Darth Sidious would NEVER let any Jedi live . . . unless they joined him. It would be foolish for him to let any Jedi survive because they are the only real threat to him. If Yoda couldn't beat Sidious, then sending Luke to fight both Sidious and Vader would be nothing short of suicide. I think Yoda will beat (the crap out of) Sidious, but something will stop him from killing Sidious.

Sorry Darth Ninja, i TOTALLY disagree with you!

Yoda has not what it take to confront Sidious. Yoda isn't capable to inflict serious magical damage while Sidious has all the means to do so.

Sidious will beat Yoda hands down. The movie will prove me right, i'm sure of that.

Something will happen for Yoda for not to be kill, a circumstance, a luck; because Sidious otherwise will have toasted this guy.

Maybe . . . maybe not. I guess we'll see what we'll see.

yoda does face sidious because i heard papaly say '' its ben a long time my lil green friend''

i recon yoda would win

sure sidious can use some heavy force power like lightning i recon yoda would just bloke it with his lightsaber and return a force push at him

(for those that think you can't bloke lightning with a saber one of the Jedi's do it in one of the movies i forget which one but i think it's Obi in episode II when he vs Doku)

I like Yoda more, but I'm afraid Sidious is going to win this fight

SPOILERS!






Yes, Yoda and Sidious fight. Mace also fights Sidious.

And yes, they all use lightsabres.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
SPOILERS!






Yes, Yoda and Sidious fight. Mace also fights Sidious.

And yes, they all use lightsabres.

u have to pissing with me? ACTUAL lightsabers? Let me guess, another trustworthy spoilerific titbit curtesy of supershadow? Hes the man

Its going to be amazing. My favorite of the fights.

Yes, this is going to rock!

BRING OUT YOUR DEAD

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whitewookie: Yes lightsabres. Mace and Yoda both use them in Ep II. Sidious breaks his out here. What's so hard to understand?

Whats a supershadow?

star22: If what I've seen is anything to go by, Yoda vs Sidious is going to be awesome.

Originally posted by Darth Ninja
No way! Darth Sidious would NEVER let any Jedi live . . . unless they joined him. It would be foolish for him to let any Jedi survive because they are the only real threat to him. If Yoda couldn't beat Sidious, then sending Luke to fight both Sidious and Vader would be nothing short of suicide. I think Yoda will beat (the crap out of) Sidious, but something will stop him from killing Sidious.
The jedi are no threat at all to the empire!
The rebel alliance is the greatest danger to the empire! fool!
The jedi have no weapons! The imperial army would crush them!
As it did in ep.3