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IF Im deuling an expert Djem so practicioner and we have all the same parameters(speed, hieght, agility, intellegence, force mastery etc..) whats the best style to counter his djem soi? o and im light and my opponent is dark if that helps.

Soresu for obvious reasons

I don't know if Soresu would be the best choice against Djem So. The biggest drawback of form III is that if you can't find an opening in your opponents offense, you start to get tired out. Given Form V's powerful strikes, a Soresu user would probably get tired out more quickly than dueling any other style.

Personally I think Vaapad would be good against Djem So.

Obi-Wan lasted pretty long, longer than Dooku's Makashi

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Obi-Wan lasted pretty long, longer than Dooku's Makashi

obi wan had better concentration that anakin
anakin had more brute force than obi wan
i said that everything was equal.

Vaapad, since you are light and your enemy is dark.

When you are light and your enemy is dark, the most effective form will always be Vaapad.

not really. look at all the vaapad useres in the pre-trilogy, how many of them ended up falling to the dark side because of it?

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
not really. look at all the vaapad useres in the pre-trilogy, how many of them ended up falling to the dark side because of it?

depa billaba on the dark side is kinda hot though lol jk

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I don't know if Soresu would be the best choice against Djem So. The biggest drawback of form III is that if you can't find an opening in your opponents offense, you start to get tired out. Given Form V's powerful strikes, a Soresu user would probably get tired out more quickly than dueling any other style.

Personally I think Vaapad would be good against Djem So.


I disagree. I believe Soresu is the perfect form to counteract Shien. Soresu focuses on an impenetrable defense, and focuses on prolonging combat to either force your opponent to make a mistake or tire out. Given Shien's extremely broad and hard swings, your opponent should tire out in a relatively short time, albeit in the Mustafar Duel, this was not the case.

Originally posted by Se7in
I disagree. I believe Soresu is the perfect form to counteract Shien. Soresu focuses on an impenetrable defense, and focuses on prolonging combat to either force your opponent to make a mistake or tire out. Given Shien's extremely broad and hard swings, your opponent should tire out in a relatively short time, albeit in the Mustafar Duel, this was not the case.

my good sir. please consider that shien is for blasters but i said djem so which is for other lightsabers

I disagree. I believe Soresu is the perfect form to counteract Shien. Soresu focuses on an impenetrable defense, and focuses on prolonging combat to either force your opponent to make a mistake or tire out. Given Shien's extremely broad and hard swings, your opponent should tire out in a relatively short time, albeit in the Mustafar Duel, this was not the case.

If it wasn't for Anakin's big overconfident slip up Obi Wan would not have won that fight. He was getting very tired, and probably wouldn't have lasted much longer. I believe that is stated in the RotS novel.

But that was due to Anakin simply being a better duelist then Obi-Wan was. It was actually because of his fighting style that he survived as long as he did.

Soresu's whole point of existence is too have such a great defense and use minimal energy that your opponent will tire out before you, or make a blunder that you can key in on. Soresu is the bane to all who are overconfident and/or impatient.

hmmm, tricky one. Vaapad is an obvious first choice, it can annihilate most others, but i think ataru would be the best. Ataru's strengths are Djem So's weaknesses; speed, agility, and swiftness. I don't think it was Obi-Wan's mastery of Soresu that won him the fight aganst Anakin, i think it was more the time and place, the anger and frustration by anakin, and obi's experience. That rules that silly suggestion out

Really? Anakin seemed pretty damn fast, agile, and swift to me in ROTS

Well yeah he did, but that was because it was Anakin If both duelers are f the same skill and level, you want something to exploit Djem So's weaknesses. Vaapad has strikes just as agressive, but they are a lot faster. A master of Djem So would use the huge blows as his main strength, so if you use something which doesn't need a lot of strength, you got a winner

Darth Bane is pretty damn fast in Path of Destruction, so it's not just Anakin

ok agreed, but i was meaning that we should not be taking actual djem so practioners into account.

Well Djem So is a highly aggressive form. Many people have suggested Vaapad to you. I disagree, Vaapad is dam hard to learn and requires massive emotional control. Most Jedi steer away from Juyo and Vaapad for those reasons.
And even the suggestion is slightly odd. Vaapad is also highly aggressive! It would be a very fast scrap with someone winning by the others mistake, which due to the difficulty of Vaapad would most likely be you.
There is a term used, "Slave to from" and that's what seems to be going on here. You are not limited to one style of combat. Many as in almost all Jedi and proficient in almost all the forms, yet they choose two or three to master.
To combat someone solely using Djem So, I would use Soresu mainly until your opponent gets used to swinging at you violently. Then after a blade deflection switch to something like Ataru and counter. It doesn't even have to be Ataru you could use Makashi which would fit with Soresu's tight move set in dueling. So deflect then counter after awhile. This would catch your opponent off guard and most likely end the dual.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Really? Anakin seemed pretty damn fast, agile, and swift to me in ROTS

Darth Bane is pretty damn fast in Path of Destruction, so it's not just Anakin

Sure but that's because both Anakin and Bane (and presumably most other Form V specialists) knew about their chosen style's innate weakness and so trained to counter it. Every fighting style has its weaknesses and Form V is no exception. It's up to the duelist to learn to compensate for such weaknesses.

For example, Form II is poor against multiple opponents but Dooku learned to compensate for that.

All other things being equal, I'd say your best bet to beat a Form V user would be using Form IV to outmaneuver him.

OT: personally Form V doesn't make any sense to me. Any style that relies on strength and heavy hitting would require huge swings which an opponent could easily counter just by leaning back slightly. The missed swing would then cause you to lose balance and stumble because of so much momentum. In the time it would take to recover from the missed swing the enemy would have killed you with a quick stab.

High-strength swings is not the same as telegraphed or shallow.

However, to get sufficient strength, some telegraphing is expected. It's not as subtle as say Makashi or Soresu.

But there are two versions of Form V, anyways.

A style that involves strong swings will naturally also include feints and the like, or movements that mislead as to where the strong swing is headed.

That's a strong assumption. What evidence are you basing it on in this particular situation?