Battlezone: Desaad vs Quanchi

quanchi112

Ok I agree Darkseid is a great planner and strategist but conquering the Greek pantheon has been done with ease before by another being. Here I show you how easily Cronus conquered the greek pantheon and I note he conquered another one shortly thereafter and almost succeeded in conquering heaven but couldnt control the power of the Presence.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2147-07.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2147-0809.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2147-10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2147-11.jpg

Looks easier this way does it not?

Im glad he brought up Darkseid and the great war he started with Izaya. This is a war he hasnt won yet and has been locked in a virtual stalemate since this neverending war began. Darkseid shouldnt start wars he cant finish.

Oh yeah here is Ares who is a member of the Greek pantheon that Desaad has mentioned. Heres him in action with Darkseid's equal Izaya.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/jkfw-08-14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/jkfw-08-15-1.jpg

He just accomplished what Darkseid couldnt do with years of attempts and careful planning.

Desaad mentioned the godwave and Im glad he brought it up as it brings to light another of Darkseid's failures. Ares beat him to the punch here and was always a step ahead of him.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Genesis4pg14-1.jpg

The green lantern forces were being decimated due to the yellow weakness but Darkseid still left himself wide open to be assassinated at the hands of Raker.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg55.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg56.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg57.jpg

If the Guardians didnt show up and call a truce Darkseid may have died that day.

Darkseid has indeed manipuated his son Orion and the Source itself but what did he really gain? Izaya and New Genesis have always weathered the storm. It doesnt seem that difficult to manipulate the dog of war anyways.

Now with regards to the Rock of Ages yes that was nicely done until the JLA caught up with him and took his life.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/JLA_014_pg21.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/JLA_014_pg22.jpg
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Thats all for now as I am very bust tonight but more will follow as this will more than likely be extended until Friday and perhaps beyond that. The holidays are very busy for me so bear with us in this very fun battlezone with nothing at stake really.

Desaad

One quick addition to my post...here is the rest of the Martian/Apokalips Force fight...

http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=martianmanhunter3318ga2.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=martianmanhunter3319ue6.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=martianmanhunter3320nz5.jpg

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok I agree Darkseid is a great planner and strategist but conquering the Greek pantheon has been done with ease before by another being. Here I show you how easily Cronus conquered the greek pantheon and I note he conquered another one shortly thereafter and almost succeeded in conquering heaven but couldnt control the power of the Presence.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2147-07.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2147-0809.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2147-10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwv2147-11.jpg

Looks easier this way does it not?

Looks easier in what way?

Darkseid, as Uxas, managed to weaken the Greek pantheon for MILLENIA without ever having to raise a hand against them, without having to engage in open warfare with them.

And then proved capable conquering Olympus itself.

Now Cronus likewise conquering Olympus doesn't somehow lower the feat -- the guy was obviously immensely powerful, and had a device that was powering him up to great levels.

You can't call being defeated by Cronus an indication of how weak Olympus is unless you have some sort of showing that puts him at a low level.

Here are two respect threads, not at all contributed to by me, that show the kind of power the Greek Pantheon at DC might hold...

Ares Specifically:

http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=martianmanhunter3320nz5.jpg

Greek Pantheon in General:

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,126963.0.html

Pay special attention to the kind of power we see Hermes showing, and then compare that to the state we find him in in Action 600 (source of my scan)

That would be a good point, if Darkseid's goal in starting the Great War was defeat of New Genesis. But that wasn't it at all. He was setting the stage for his ultimate takeover of Apokolips.

In which he succeeded 100%.

Once he DID succeed, he determined that the war was no longer necessary and worked with Izaya to end it.

Yet AGAIN did he leave an out for himself, though, in the conditioning of Scott Free.

Where, specifically, has Darkseid tried and failed to kill Izaya? Not in the leadup to the Great War, where he had Izaya at his mercy and could have killed him with a gesture. Not really any time during any run was his goal to kill Izaya.

Ares was lucky at best. Darkseid did all the leg work, and then Ares tried to ultimately seize power -- only to fail, when Darkseid froze him in the source; more on that in the technology section.

Or maybe not. They stopped it, so we'll never know. Darkseid was powering up his Omegas, and I've never seen him hurt by anything like a shovel before.

The fact that the Oans felt they needed to make a truce speaks to their position in the war.

Haha, with years of prep, and Batman - the greatest strategist on the planet - working from within for years.

And it was still a Deux Ex Machina win, hardly anything that could be foreseen.

quanchi112

Ok now its time to see some of Thanos' forces here. I have been very busy over the holidays but this fight is far from over with.

Ok here are two of Thanos' goons early on. They are called the Blood Brothers and while they are not the most powerful twosome out there the two of them had more than enough firepower to defeat Iron Man.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/IronManv1055-02.jpg
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Iron Man needed help from this powerful guy known as Drax the Destroyer. Hes a pain in the ass to have on your back as he has always wanted and lived only to kill Thanos. Here is the kind of power he has at his disposal. Also note it was explained he will always come back and cant truly be killed until his mission of killing Thanos is complete.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/IronManv1055-10.jpg
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So while the Blood Brothers arent going to be winning wars on there own they needed to be taken out by Drax and Iron Man teaming up to defeat them. As you just saw Drax was invloved in a planet destroying battle and it couldnt put him down for good.

Here is one of Thanos' many robots who do his bidding and give the illusion that its the real Thanos.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/IronManv1055-13.jpg

Here are yet two more powerful allies known as Paibok and Superskrull. Superskrull has the powers of the fantastic four and can shapeshift while Paibok is not be underestimated and is the thinker of these two skrulls here while Superskrull is definitely the warrior. These two could cause mayhem and really infiltrate the ranks of Apokolips with Paibok's clever thinking and their shapeshifting abilities.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-25-14.jpg
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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-25-18.jpg

This interesting fellow is called the Controller. He bested Captain Marvel in their first encounter with ease. Quite a powerful character and he has such potential as well.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-28-09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-28-17.jpg
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Here is where it gets interesting and the potential I briefly hinted at before.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-30-05.jpg
Imagine how powerful he could get with these slave discs in a year preparing for this invasion of Apokolips.

Captain Marvel has to get an upgrade here from Eon to become cosmically aware to deal with Thanos in this particular storyline.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-29-02.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-29-21.jpg

Here is Thanos's massive space armada.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-31-10.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengersv112507.jpg

The funny thing is about his massive armada he really didnt care if they won or lost because it was all basically a trick because he had the cosmic cube and didnt even care about their fates.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengersv112518.jpg

So this time it will be different and he wont be relying on any artifacts of power and wont just sacrifice them for the helluva it. Funny thing is Thanos killed most of his own troops with this cosmic cube as they failed. That wont be happening here in this war.

Here is the mindcyclone and let the scans speak for themselves.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-27-02.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-27-03.jpg

So with what I have shown you here its impressive in what he could accomplish with these forces alone. Imagine the slave discs taking control of important people and using outside forces while powering up the Controller to insane heights if power and strength. There are two skrulls here who could shapeshift their ways to be spies on Apokolips and plant slave discs on Apokoliptians. There is also a massive space armada that will be playing for keeps and wont merely be sacrificed as carelessly as they were in this storyline.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
Looks easier in what way?

Darkseid, as Uxas, managed to weaken the Greek pantheon for MILLENIA without ever having to raise a hand against them, without having to engage in open warfare with them.

And then proved capable conquering Olympus itself.

Now Cronus likewise conquering Olympus doesn't somehow lower the feat -- the guy was obviously immensely powerful, and had a device that was powering him up to great levels.

You can't call being defeated by Cronus an indication of how weak Olympus is unless you have some sort of showing that puts him at a low level.

Here are two respect threads, not at all contributed to by me, that show the kind of power the Greek Pantheon at DC might hold...

Ares Specifically:

http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=martianmanhunter3320nz5.jpg

Greek Pantheon in General:

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,126963.0.html

Pay special attention to the kind of power we see Hermes showing, and then compare that to the state we find him in in Action 600 (source of my scan)

That would be a good point, if Darkseid's goal in starting the Great War was defeat of New Genesis. But that wasn't it at all. He was setting the stage for his ultimate takeover of Apokolips.

In which he succeeded 100%.

Once he DID succeed, he determined that the war was no longer necessary and worked with Izaya to end it.

Yet AGAIN did he leave an out for himself, though, in the conditioning of Scott Free.

Where, specifically, has Darkseid tried and failed to kill Izaya? Not in the leadup to the Great War, where he had Izaya at his mercy and could have killed him with a gesture. Not really any time during any run was his goal to kill Izaya.

Ares was lucky at best. Darkseid did all the leg work, and then Ares tried to ultimately seize power -- only to fail, when Darkseid froze him in the source; more on that in the technology section.

Or maybe not. They stopped it, so we'll never know. Darkseid was powering up his Omegas, and I've never seen him hurt by anything like a shovel before.

The fact that the Oans felt they needed to make a truce speaks to their position in the war.

Haha, with years of prep, and Batman - the greatest strategist on the planet - working from within for years.

And it was still a Deux Ex Machina win, hardly anything that could be foreseen. You see the thing with Cronus is this. He may have had the sickle which contained the power of the godwave but he only challenged the Olympians with his own power. He had more worshipers at the time and that gave him the edge but he had no additional power until he stomped through the Greek pantheon. So he was indeed more powerful after the battle but not during.

Ok with regards to your claim of Darkseid never really intending on murdering Darkseid lets be serious here shall we. When you are locked in battle with New Genesis for ages Im sure one of his goals was to defeat and kill Izaya his equal. Ds took over Apokolips and that was masterfully done but with regards to the great war nothing has really changed. New Genesis still stands as does Apokolips with no side gaining the upper hand and actually winning this neverending war. So again great job on becoming this merciless dictator and lousy job on actually winning the war with New Genesis.

I cannot believe you call Ares lucky as that is not the case at all.

Look at that scan again and read what it says. It says Ares was always ready for this and knew exactly where to be at this crucial moment in time. Darkseid was clueless and was used basically. Darkseid probably would have claimed the power for himself if Ares hadnt be planning for this even before Darkseid had a clue. Darkseid knew how to counter but that wasnt his plan and he had to react to his foe at the exact key moment or all would have been lost. Ares wasnt lucky at all he just was ahead of Darkseid the whole time. No shocker there.

And with regards to the Raker and Darkseid fiasco I dont really care if you think Ds was about to oneshot him or Raker was about to take his head off wit the shovel he had in his hand. The point is this my friend that Ds simply left himself open for attack even though he mopped the floor with the Green Lantern. Even with the yellow weakness thanks to Desaad tampering with the lantern ring Darkseid was still out in the battlefield and was thrashed by Raker. Ds should be a liitle more careful in the field of battle because Thanos wont arrive and call a truce. He'll order the execution of Darkseid and take over his stinking planet.

You acknowledge Batman and how he himself punked Ds with little to no resources as Thanos would such have available to him. Thanos is Batman's superior with regards to prep and with all the technology and the forces at his disposal Darkseid would be toast. I mean the guy almost got taken out by a lone Green Lantern in a war he was actually winning.

quanchi112

Thanos will plan his strike from Titan where he had a brief stint as its heartless dictator. He will also have the aid of Isaac,Titan's supercomputer.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/MF12-04.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-31-13.jpg
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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv1-33-08.jpg

Now Ill show you a little taste of one of Thanos' own personally trained assassins,Gamora. In this scan here she has a dagger that can kill the Magus who is now a god and is a very powerful character. The guy friggin conquered a thousand worlds and thats damn impressive. Thats a pretty nifty dagger now isnt it?

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock09-12.jpg

Here are some scans of Gamora without this dagger and how effective she can be in battle.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/AnnihilationRonan3-004.jpg
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So as you can see this battle was anything but brief. It ended in a stalemate also. So you can see how powerful Gamora and how resourceful she can be when locked in combat with one such as Ronan.

I will now show you scans of Ronan in battle and defeating Ravenous. Keep in mind he fought Gamora and couldnt defeat her while he broke Ravenous, these scans also briefly touch on Superskrull and him in action as well.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Annihilation5-017.jpg
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Now here is another of Thanos' powerful allies that will be aiding him against Darkseid. Adam Warlock and his wondrous soul gem. Here you see them work together along with Gamora to fight off 25,000 Black Knights. The last scan is just awesome I love the visual of the mountain of bodies. Keep in mind this was also when Thanos was at his weakest and before his upgrades.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock10-01.jpg
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Now here they make an escape from the seemingly endless supply of warriors they face. He is cut off from them before he can follow. He catches up with them later on but its awesome how he evaded death and capture to phase himself to their destination.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock10-05.jpg

Now Desaad has showed you Darkseid manipulating time well Thanos has created his own time machine to manipulate events to his favor as well.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock10-15.jpg

Here is Warlock giving into Thanos' advice and letting the soul gem do its thing. Thanos needed to conserve energy and convinced Warlock to do something he had sworn never to do again. Thanos is one convincing son of a gun,now isnt he?

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock11-05.jpg

I showed you most of these scans to show how effective his allies are and a small does of what the are capable of in battle.

quanchi112

Here is another weapon that Thanos has put together that is capable of destroying stars and possibly the universe.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock15-04.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/avengersannual07-12.jpg

Here is Thanos' fleet that means business. They are no longer pawns and arent meant to be only a diversion as they had been in the past.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/avengersannual07-19.jpg
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Here Moondragon reaches out to Spiderman who later enlists the aid of the Thing to help out as the Avengers have been dealt with as Thanos' forces are like a well oiled machine with a leader such as Thanos. Thanos will lead these outcasts and Ill explain later on in a future post how this will be done.

Here is a blast that is powerful enough to incapicitate Thor the god of thunder.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/M2in1_KSA02_05.jpg

Here now its official and they are helpless and have fallen before Thanos this time as he wanted it to be this way. Also we see here that all Thanos needs is Adam's soul gem to make a destroy a single star. So even though they had destroyed Thanos' synthetic gem capable of universal destruction he still adapted and only needed one gem to destroy our galaxy. Chaos and Order have been meddling and want the defeat of Thanos as well as these heroes and want Warlock to interfere and save the day. I mean Thanos killed his ass in this very storyline but many powerful beings ally themselves against this Titan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Order
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Lord_Chaos

Here is a gigantic ship named Sanctuary 3 and is the third in some of his own personal battleships we have seen thus far.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/M2in1_KSA02_11.jpg

quanchi112

Ok now I am going to show you all Thanos' impressive spacechair.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurfer035-03-1.jpg
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Please note that the Silver Surfer couldnt even phase it or Thanos with a point blank blast.

Now we have Thanos just being plain mean here. He takes Norrin on a journey here and kills these poor little creatures to prove a point and delay Norrin Radd. Note that he used the spacechair to accomplish this. Boys will be boys.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurfer035-10.jpg
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Here is another brilliant manuever that Thanos pulled off here in these scans. Thanos fooled the Surfer into thinking he killed Thanos. The reason he did this was to be unimpeded by Norrin as he went after the infinity gems.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurfer038-15.jpg
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Thanos has a very powerful ally indeed in Mistress Death and while she may not get physically involved he does have access to her realm at times and her infinity well.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-04.jpg

Here Mistress Death has given Thanos a very difficult task in eradicating half the universe's population. This is just par for the course for Thanos.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-05.jpg
Thanos has now begun his quest for the infinity gems.
Again here is Thanos and his spacechair surviving travel through myriad dimensions and having no lasting effect on either Thanos or his chair.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-10-1.jpg

Thanos encounters some resistance here but really it seems to be no problem at all for his chair. Look as it oneshots these bothersome creatures with ease.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-12.jpg
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Now we see some of Thanos' technology in battle. He puts up his forceshields and draws in the elder known as the Champion.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ThanosQuest1-30-2.jpg
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Here we see Grandmaster match wits with Thanos of Titan with the prize being the infinity gems. Grandmaster tries to cheat Thanos as well here and it doesnt turn out to well for him.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos_Quest_2_26-1.jpg
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Now as you can see Thanos was in no real danger but Grandmaster had no clue and in the virtual game would have lost to the Thanos robot. So far we have seen two Thanos robots who have fooled those they came in contact with. Darkseid may have to play a where's Thanos kind of game to locate where the real one even is.

quanchi112

Now I want to show how effective this teleportation trick is that Thanos possesses here on his craft.

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It even works long range as you can see in these scans.

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Here is his weaponlike ship he created when he was younger and wanted to conquer the universe with an assault. It is called the Dreadnaught-666.

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Here is it firing.

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Ok here are some of Thanos' robotic allies that aids him in tasks and sometimes even in battle.
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Yet another of Thanos' personal forcefields that he uses in battle on occasion.
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Here we see Thanos tiring of this conflict as Thor has the power gem and he uses his stasis gun that wins this battle.
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Here we see later in this very story that Thanos added this stasis energy containment blast to his own person.

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Imagine how many stasis guns Thanos could make in a year's time. I mean he was just tinkering around when he created it to begin with and in a wartime situation he would be about business.

quanchi112

So far we have heard how great Apokoliptian technology is from Desaad. Well I would like to hear his reply for these scans and why something such as this was achieved so easily.

Our little tale has Doomsday along with Cyborg invading the huge titanic world known as Apokolips.

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This is where Darkseid decides to take a more active role in this. Geez I would have thought he could keep summoning parademons at will against this brainless foe known as Doomsday. All the other great Apokoliptian weapons seem useless on Doomsday. Now lets see how Darkseid himself fares as he enters this dire situation.

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Now this is just pathetic here. Darkseid fell rather easily wouldnt you say?

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Here is where Desaad realizes that Apokolips itself needs help in order to remedy the situation.

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As you just saw Desaad bfr'd him when he had the chance. I would have thought it would be much easier to bfr someone who is about intelligent as Jason Voorhees. But I guess Apokolips isnt so great and its a good thing Superman showed up to save the day.

Let us see how Cyborg now fares against Apokolips and its defenses. Meanwhile Superman saves Darkseid's life because he was fatally wounded by Doomsday.
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So now we have Cyborg taking over Apokolips defenses completely and Superman saving Darkseid's life. Wow if Superman hadnt showed up all of Apokolips might be under the tyrannical rule of Cyborg.

Now let us see how Thanos handles this mere annoyance called Champion who has tracked him down but really serves as no real threat.

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See how easily Thanos can bfr those he wishes to. While Darkseid and all of Apokolips could only do it when the moment was right after Darkseid himself fell in combat.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok now its time to see some of Thanos' forces here. I have been very busy over the holidays but this fight is far from over with.

Ok here are two of Thanos' goons early on. They are called the Blood Brothers and while they are not the most powerful twosome out there the two of them had more than enough firepower to defeat Iron Man.
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Iron Man needed help from this powerful guy known as Drax the Destroyer. Hes a pain in the ass to have on your back as he has always wanted and lived only to kill Thanos. Here is the kind of power he has at his disposal. Also note it was explained he will always come back and cant truly be killed until his mission of killing Thanos is complete.

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So while the Blood Brothers arent going to be winning wars on there own they needed to be taken out by Drax and Iron Man teaming up to defeat them. As you just saw Drax was invloved in a planet destroying battle and it couldnt put him down for good.

The Blood Brothers were OWNED by Post-Power down Drax (in his most recent limited Series).

They are cake for even the fodder of Apokolips.

The idea these two could infiltrate Apokolips that is at war seems doubtful -- they're pretty stupid, and Darkseid would undoubtedly have technology to suss such tactics out.

Certainly Darkseid has his own shape shifters, telepaths, and illusion casters to do just the same.

Lets be honest; that "massive" space armada is nothing to the kind of power Darkseid brings to the table.

Darkseid's machines have literally ripped people's SOULS from their body, as they did to Mortalla, not to mention all those with the Anti Life Equation.

I'm interested to hear what you mean by "important people".

Any aggression against Earth is going to be ill advised, I think. We saw that something as common as Captain Marvel being connected to Rick Jones was enough to overload a Controller's disc -- they would be nothing to all the telepaths, and perhaps telekinetics, on the planet (Not to mention those with fortified minds such as the Hulk).

And any abduction of heroes from earth who are susceptible is going to bring the wrath of other heroes; again, ill advised to make such enemies in the planning stages. It is the type of move that could get you defeated before you even begin.

Given the New Gods' high invulnerability to telepathy, it seems unlikely that this would work.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
You see the thing with Cronus is this. He may have had the sickle which contained the power of the godwave but he only challenged the Olympians with his own power. He had more worshipers at the time and that gave him the edge but he had no additional power until he stomped through the Greek pantheon. So he was indeed more powerful after the battle but not during.

He was already more powerful than the gods due to worship -- and he had an army of gods on his side as well. He ripped through all other pantheons in the DCU.

Until you can find me something that puts these guys as under-powered, there is no low showing here. Olympus lost to a rival group of gods, who got more worship and were therefore more powerful.

On the other hand, THIS kind of owning is just embarassing...and guess who Mrs. Granny works for....?

(I was going to save this for my last forces section, but it seems appropriate here)

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Thats twice that Darkseid has proven capable of conquering olympus; once with just his fodder forces (Parademons) and another with just one of his elite.

Granny also levitates and teleports Paradise Island, and banishes all the Amazons to around the world, wiping their minds and giving them new identities.

I can't think of an instance of this being true. He's never tried to kill Izaya and has had him at his mercy at least once.

Ultimately he wants to conquer the entire universe, yes, Izaya with it, but killing Izaya ALONE - without defeating New Genesis - Darkseid has no interest in. And has never tried it.

Let me stress again; he had no desire to win the war. That wasn't his goal in starting the thing. His goal was to create the right conditions to take power -- which he did.

New Genesis is the eternal stalemate to Apokolips. They technology they possess is on the level of Apokolips. Their forces are equal, and they monitor Apokolips so Apok would never get any prep without THEM also getting prep.

There is no shame and being equal to that.

Haha, clueless?

Darkseid DISCOVERED the Godwave, and did all the planning to get all the pieces in place to allow himself to be in the perfect position to take its power.

Yes, Ares was able to sneak in - mostly because no one knew of his evil, where as Darkseid's evil is so overt - but Darkseid was not so "out planned" as you say that Ares got away with it. Quite the opposite, just as Ares THOUGHT he won, Darkseid revealled that he had planned for betrayal the entire time, and stopped him dead.

That wasn't his plan? Then why was that piece of technology in there?

Certainly he PLANNED for it. It wasn't the best option, but he planned for the eventuality that something like that would happen, and he salvaged it.

To be clear, the Yellow Weakness wasn't instilled by Desaad or anything. It wasn't a result of Desaad tampering with the rings. I think you mean "tinkering" with the rings, to DISCOVER the yellow weakness.

DS brings himself into battle, yes.

And Thanos does not? When he goes to help Warlock with the Magus, did Thanos not bring himself into battle there -- and almost die at the hands of the Magus for his trouble? Did he just leave it to his troops whn he tried to snuff out the suns with the soul gems? No, he got physically and personally involved -- and got turned into stone for his trouble, and his giant gem destroyed and his plans foiled.

If leaving oneself open to attack is trouble, than Thanos is in as much if not more trouble than Darkseid.

No, I acknowledge that Batman was able to mildly affect Darkseid with 4 years of one sided prep working from the inside.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos will plan his strike from Titan where he had a brief stint as its heartless dictator. He will also have the aid of Isaac,Titan's supercomputer.

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There are two parts of this plan that are unfortunate;

Firstly, the fact that Thanos has to expend his resources to conquer and then keep Titan as his base. That is going to take time, planning, and resources all its own, and keeping it as a stronghold against the will of A'lars and the other Titanian Eternals is going to be a bit of a struggle, dividing Thanos' attention.

Darkseid, obviously, isn't going to have that problem what with his absolute rule of Apokolips.

Secondly...Isaac is useless. He helped Thanos' enemies about as much as he did Thanos.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok now I am going to show you all Thanos' impressive spacechair.

For the record, this Throne was destroyed and Thanos was unable to replicate it fully, since he didn't actually create it. He was able to pull of a replica without a lot of the mystical bells and whistles of the original.

Haha, creating the equivalent of a Doombot does not strike me as a genius move -- especially since it didn't work.

Otherwise I might use the fact that Darkseid was able to manipulate Superman and Wonder Woman into fighting each other with a very intelligent use of holograms.

I feel similarly about his "battle" with Grandmaster in which his brilliant plan again consists of sending a Doombot to do his dirty business.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now I want to show how effective this teleportation trick is that Thanos possesses here on his craft.

I just want to point out how inferior this is to what Darkseid possesses. Boom Tubes are devices to warp the bounds of reality itself. Time and Space are meaningless concepts when you have a Boom Tube - it allows one to travel to anywhere in space, through dimensions, and in some examples even through time.

Considering this was his most powerful (offensively) ship ever...thats pretty sad. I've shown you examples of New God technology destroying entire SUNS, much less this which didn't fully destroy a small moon?

As impressive as the Stasis guns are, Apokolips basically has a similar thing going for it in the field that uses one's own strength against it.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
This Brimstone is impressive indeed and his loyalty makes him quite an asset to Darkseid in this war with Thanos. But Thanos has faced grimmer foes and defeated them in the heat of the moment...like the pun. He was defeated and killed by Firestorm one on one. While he is powerful indeed Im going to be going into some heavy hitters here that make Brimstone look like a nancyboy.

Remember, I haven't gotten into any "heavy hitters" for Darkseid yet. These are just the fodder I'm taling about.

But since your plans basically amount to "Thanos will find a way", I don't really see anything to respond to here; Brimestone went toe to toe with god damn ELEMENTAL Firestorm. Look at their absurd battle in the sun, and tell me that wasn't impressive!

An army of those would be absolutely unstoppable. Even if you managed to kill it, it becomes a suicide bomber, destroying everything in the vicinity. Its the perfect warrior.

Again, the Controller isn't going to be putting his discs on anyone of import on earth, and can't get through to Apokolips during that one years time anyway.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
The army of Apokolips couldnt roll over in its sleep and conquer earth. No friggin way with the help that dc earth gets. I mean the Sinestro Corps failed and they had the Anti Monitor,Superman Prime,Sinestro,Cyborg with his rings,Parallax an army of manhunters and a shitload of Sinestro Corps. So please dont try to tell me earth is going to roll over for Darkseid when Batman has gone to his planet and punked him.

Hey man, I'm just relaying what the COMICS are saying. If you want to disagree, that is your perogative, but I have in continuity references saying as much.

There are a number of reasons this has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Firstly, they have New God technology to get themselves in, with the help of Barda. Thanos isn't going to get any of that, and Apokolips has snares and forcefields around itself to protect from similar incursions.

Secondly, this is a small, dedicated, powerful force that goes to Apokolips with a single objective; to get Supergirl out of there.

They have one sided prep - Darkseid isn't expecting them, hasn't built any defenses with them in mind, hasn't done anything to prepare at all.

And Thanos doesn't have anyone on his side with the intellect of Batman or the power of Superman. The only way for Thanos to do something similar would be to go in himself, and that basically spells certain death.

Meanwhile, a dedicated force of Iron Man, Thor, Spiderman and a couple of others were able to totally infiltrate Thanos' ship and destroy his big gem when he was trying to destroy all the suns in the universe -- what is to stop a couple of Darkseid's weaker soldiers from doing the same? It seems REAL easy to get to Thanos and snuff him and his out.

The difference is that Darkseid will know that he is coming, and will have a whole year to PREPARE for this.

You just admitted above that we don't know that Darkseid was going to be assasinated by Raker - he might have calmly destroyed him, or been unaffected by the blow to the head (which seems the most likely case). Leaving oneself open to attack may have been a function of the fact that he couldn't really be hurt by any of the combatants.

And the reason he knew that? Because he was intelligent. Because he had a good plan, good intel, and knew everything there was to know about it -- much moreso than Ares, apparently, as Ares was trapped like a bug and apparently had no idea he could have been.

And no matter how "weak" Ares might have been there, he was still on his way to having control of a universal level power, so it is still an extremely impressive tech feat.

And Darkseid was instrumental to the defeat of the Anti-Moniter (Something I believe I neglected to put up in my "tech" section, and will add right now)

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And many other foes as well.

I'm just giving you an example of how impressive Darkseid's technology is.

A small, lifeless, uninhabited planet and war platforms the size of NY State are different animals, of course.

If we are going into personal power, Darkseid threatened to destroy Warworld (the size of Pluto, but made of metal and weapons) with his Omegas. And we've seen that New God technology can destroy suns, so...

Thanos has made note of the fact that he doesn't want to get involved with the Hulk, and Iron Man has gotten the better of Thanos before as well, as have Captain Mar-Vell and Adam Warlock.

It happens. It is the nature of being a villain.

Huh? Desaad gave Byrne Superman a good tussel, and has his source gun banishment, but he's never been a physical power house. The troops have more physical power than he does...he works solely through his works as an artificer of war weapons.

He doesn't have to physically engage anyone to be dangerous. Indeed, Darkseid would never use him that way.

The fact that he gave this armor to a mere earthing says a lot about how little he cared about it, what little power it represented to him. Perhaps he would manufacture in en mass, perhaps not. But its still an extremely impressive piece of equipment to just give away, more impressive than any armor I know of Thanos building.

To be clear, I'm not saying that Aurakles specifically is going to be an ally of Darkseid; he was created by New Genesis, not Apokolips, and is a force for good. Yes, Darkseid did "own" him in Seven Soldiers, but I never saw him do his bidding, so it seems unlikely that he would do so here.

I'm just showing an example of the kind of power and technology the New Gods have, what they are capable of creating.

And if this were about Thanos fighting specifically, I'd agree it wouldn't do much. But this is about Darkseid and Thanos' FORCES at work, and you haven't brought to the table anyone who wouldn't be felled by an atom bomb to the face.

If you can get past his defenses, sure.

But apparently you don't think its much of a disadvantage, since you gave Thanos the staging area of Titan, despite the massive resource and time cost this would take.

Yes.

But stronger than anyone that Thanos has working for him that you have thus far demonstrated.

Scarecrow was using Desaad's technology.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
So far we have heard how great Apokoliptian technology is from Desaad. Well I would like to hear his reply for these scans and why something such as this was achieved so easily.

Our little tale has Doomsday along with Cyborg invading the huge titanic world known as Apokolips.

Hunter/Prey Doomsday came without preperation, without knowledge. Darkseid chose to engage him in one on one and got his butt handed to him. Desaad teleported the monster away, and everything was fine.

Oh, and Cyborg Superman got taken out like a punk, without issue. Yes, THE Cyborg Superman, who can basically take control of any technology, including that of the Source Wall, and can't be isolated.

Everything turned out fine.

Not a great showing, but considering what we saw a "weaker" Doomsday do to the GLC (with a Green Lantern ring), not too shabby at all.

You're damn RIGHT he was no real threat. This isn't the same at ALL.

Dumb Drax was able to take this version of the Champion down with ONE punch to the head. Dumb Drax is, at best, Professor Hulk level.

Comparing Cyborg Superman and Doomsday to Champion is a desperate, desperate move.

And using this as any basis of how Darkseid is going to fare when he has prep time on his side is likewise a desperate, desperate move.

You must be joking. The number of times Darkseid has "BFRed" someone is legion, using his Omega Beams to teleport Superman multiple times, or Infinity Man, or the Forever People.

This whole post was pretty much useless in proving your point, and points to a lack of knowledge about one of Darkseid's most basic abilities and tendencies.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
The Blood Brothers were OWNED by Post-Power down Drax (in his most recent limited Series).

They are cake for even the fodder of Apokolips.

The idea these two could infiltrate Apokolips that is at war seems doubtful -- they're pretty stupid, and Darkseid would undoubtedly have technology to suss such tactics out.

Certainly Darkseid has his own shape shifters, telepaths, and illusion casters to do just the same.

Lets be honest; that "massive" space armada is nothing to the kind of power Darkseid brings to the table.

Darkseid's machines have literally ripped people's SOULS from their body, as they did to Mortalla, not to mention all those with the Anti Life Equation.

I'm interested to hear what you mean by "important people".

Any aggression against Earth is going to be ill advised, I think. We saw that something as common as Captain Marvel being connected to Rick Jones was enough to overload a Controller's disc -- they would be nothing to all the telepaths, and perhaps telekinetics, on the planet (Not to mention those with fortified minds such as the Hulk).

And any abduction of heroes from earth who are susceptible is going to bring the wrath of other heroes; again, ill advised to make such enemies in the planning stages. It is the type of move that could get you defeated before you even begin.

Given the New Gods' high invulnerability to telepathy, it seems unlikely that this would work. Yes Drax defeated them but was indeed at his smartest and went through a planet of Annihilus's creatures along with one of his queens. So while you may say he was powered down he still was powerful indeed.

Paibok is intelligent. His plan backfired but it was masterful still the same but Captain Marvel seemed to be to much for this. It isnt as if Paibok has to interact with Darkseid himself he could interact with his slow witted son Kalibak.

I never said the massive space armada was enough to defeat Darkseid here. But it is still impressive nonetheless. It has to be dealt with. It helps the numbers game, Lots of pawns for Thanos to send into battle.

With regards to important people I was referring to government officials. Im sure they could infiltrate the Skrull army as well as I already have the Superskrull and Paibok. Not to mention the fact that the Contoller becomes more powerful with every additional person or alien who is controlled by him.

Darkseid may have his own shapeshifters but you wont really know where Thanos' home base will be. It could be Titan but then again it could be one of his main ships also,or his deserted planet.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
He was already more powerful than the gods due to worship -- and he had an army of gods on his side as well. He ripped through all other pantheons in the DCU.

Until you can find me something that puts these guys as under-powered, there is no low showing here. Olympus lost to a rival group of gods, who got more worship and were therefore more powerful.

On the other hand, THIS kind of owning is just embarassing...and guess who Mrs. Granny works for....?

(I was going to save this for my last forces section, but it seems appropriate here)

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Thats twice that Darkseid has proven capable of conquering olympus; once with just his fodder forces (Parademons) and another with just one of his elite.

Granny also levitates and teleports Paradise Island, and banishes all the Amazons to around the world, wiping their minds and giving them new identities.

I can't think of an instance of this being true. He's never tried to kill Izaya and has had him at his mercy at least once.

Ultimately he wants to conquer the entire universe, yes, Izaya with it, but killing Izaya ALONE - without defeating New Genesis - Darkseid has no interest in. And has never tried it.

Let me stress again; he had no desire to win the war. That wasn't his goal in starting the thing. His goal was to create the right conditions to take power -- which he did.

New Genesis is the eternal stalemate to Apokolips. They technology they possess is on the level of Apokolips. Their forces are equal, and they monitor Apokolips so Apok would never get any prep without THEM also getting prep.

There is no shame and being equal to that.

Haha, clueless?

Darkseid DISCOVERED the Godwave, and did all the planning to get all the pieces in place to allow himself to be in the perfect position to take its power.

Yes, Ares was able to sneak in - mostly because no one knew of his evil, where as Darkseid's evil is so overt - but Darkseid was not so "out planned" as you say that Ares got away with it. Quite the opposite, just as Ares THOUGHT he won, Darkseid revealled that he had planned for betrayal the entire time, and stopped him dead.

That wasn't his plan? Then why was that piece of technology in there?

Certainly he PLANNED for it. It wasn't the best option, but he planned for the eventuality that something like that would happen, and he salvaged it.

To be clear, the Yellow Weakness wasn't instilled by Desaad or anything. It wasn't a result of Desaad tampering with the rings. I think you mean "tinkering" with the rings, to DISCOVER the yellow weakness.

DS brings himself into battle, yes.

And Thanos does not? When he goes to help Warlock with the Magus, did Thanos not bring himself into battle there -- and almost die at the hands of the Magus for his trouble? Did he just leave it to his troops whn he tried to snuff out the suns with the soul gems? No, he got physically and personally involved -- and got turned into stone for his trouble, and his giant gem destroyed and his plans foiled.

If leaving oneself open to attack is trouble, than Thanos is in as much if not more trouble than Darkseid.

No, I acknowledge that Batman was able to mildly affect Darkseid with 4 years of one sided prep working from the inside. Olympus losto to Cronus due to his planning and because he had more worshippers. It wasnt due to him being more powerful it was due to his intellgience and after this battle he was more powerful after he defeated Olympus with ease. Both are impressive and the only reason I brought it up is to point out it can be done by another character due to his intelligence and not just sheer power. More worshippers gave them the easy victory.

Granny Goodness doing this makes this quite a feat. But it shows to me the lack of awareness that this pantheon had. In our situation here Thanos and Darkseid have one year and they know the will be squaring off. There will be no element of surprise when this war begins.

The bottom line is this with regards to Darkseid and Izaya. Darkseid wants to conquer New Genesis. He would kill Izaya if he had the chance as well. He is an effective leader and one that has been able to ward off Darkseid's attacks for years. Darkseid hasnt seized New Genesis and won this war and hes had an awfully long time to do this. Both sides have nice technology here but Darkseid failing to win this war shows that with an equal opponent in a wartime setting he cant just get the drop on him.

Ares was in the right place at the right time and when he seized the prize for himself Darkseid reacted and along with everyone else stopped him cold. Darkseid failed in this story as he wanted the godwave for himself. This you cannot dispute.

Thanos got involved because he had to. He didnt almost die at the hands of the Magus. I dont know where you are getting this. He was fine and was nowhere near death. The only reason he personally got involved was because Gamora failed but the guy was a god who ruled over a thousand worlds so he was quite powerful.

When he tried to snuff out the sun he did leave himself open. But the reason is because he likes to brag on occasion and does what most villains do he defeated the heroes but didnt kill them. Lord Chaos and Master Order were also involved here. I mean look at all the forces that gather to stop Thanos. Kronos,Lord,Chaos,Master Order all throw their chips in to stop this threat. Thanos losing to Warlock who he previously killed is no big wow you missed that kind of mistake. He friggin killed him and then his spirit came back. That is something you cannot plan for.

quanchi112

Here are some more allies for Thanos that he needed to get some things doen for him lets say. The did what he wanted because after all he is Thanos and when he talks people listen.

Here is Nitro,Rhino,Titanium Man,once again Superskrull, and Geatar.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SecretDefenders-012-14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SecretDefenders13-02.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SecretDefenders13-03.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SecretDefenders13-04.jpg

Here is another of Thanos' spacecrafts Demeter. This was built it appears for speed and maneuverability.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CP19941-0012.jpg

Thanos seeks information and a challenge. So him doing this just for the helluva it against Darkseid seems feasible indeed. Thanos lives for challenges.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CP19941-0015.jpg
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Its safe to say that Tyrant is one helluva challenge.

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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CP19941-0034-0035.jpg

This guy is in the league of Galactus. Thats a lot of power me thinks.

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Thanos know has an ally with the power cosmic. Terrax is one fine warrior as well and has been shown destroying a planet before with his power.

Here Thanos finds one of Tyrant's orbs.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-14.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-20.jpg
Here he confronts Tyrant.
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Its a powerful enough weapon to hurt a badass like Tyrant.

Here there has been much debate what Thanos is doing with the orb. Is he powering himself up or he is using the energies in this orb for something else. Either way he out the orb and its energies to use and did what he set out to do. He challenged Tyrant.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-35-36.jpg

This time he will challenge Darkseid a much weaker foe than Tyrant and will have a whole year in which to do so.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
Hunter/Prey Doomsday came without preperation, without knowledge. Darkseid chose to engage him in one on one and got his butt handed to him. Desaad teleported the monster away, and everything was fine.

Oh, and Cyborg Superman got taken out like a punk, without issue. Yes, THE Cyborg Superman, who can basically take control of any technology, including that of the Source Wall, and can't be isolated.

Everything turned out fine.

Not a great showing, but considering what we saw a "weaker" Doomsday do to the GLC (with a Green Lantern ring), not too shabby at all.

You're damn RIGHT he was no real threat. This isn't the same at ALL.

Dumb Drax was able to take this version of the Champion down with ONE punch to the head. Dumb Drax is, at best, Professor Hulk level.

Comparing Cyborg Superman and Doomsday to Champion is a desperate, desperate move.

And using this as any basis of how Darkseid is going to fare when he has prep time on his side is likewise a desperate, desperate move.

You must be joking. The number of times Darkseid has "BFRed" someone is legion, using his Omega Beams to teleport Superman multiple times, or Infinity Man, or the Forever People.

This whole post was pretty much useless in proving your point, and points to a lack of knowledge about one of Darkseid's most basic abilities and tendencies. Ok so now let me retort to what you said about Desaad just teleporting him away with no probelms. First off desaad asked for orders to which Darkseid replied, that he wanted his elite guard summoned to slow the creature's progress as one of my scans has shown you. He said if we cannot develop a plan then we must prepare for its evacuation. Right there the proof is in his very own words. He knew the creature was formidable so why did he not simply teleport him away. Is he that stupid?

Then we see Desaad contemplating an evacuation even though he says it shames them all. Keep in mind this is what Darkseid's next plan was going to be. The dumbass didnt bfr him becaquse quite frankly he was stupid in this storyline but it shows us how he reacts when the chips are down. Next Desaad asks for help to deal with this. He sent out an emergency message for help. Yes, help to deal with a creature that could be bfr'd with ease by Darkseid yet the dumbass that he is chose to engage and get his ass kicked.

Even you have to admit that without Superman's help Apokolips was done for. He saved Darkseid and then Desaad used the distraction that Superman provided and he said specifically this was Desaad's only chance. Thats how he bfr'd Doomsday.

Cyborg was only defeated because Superman bought Darkseid time to recover and fire his omega beams. There will be no Superman aid in this war.

I never implied that Champion was a threat but he did just show up and met him face to face. Thanos bfr'd him without hesitation. He didnt need a distraction and didnt have time to plan out a strategy while his planet's forces kept his foe busy like Darkseid.

The point is my friend that Darkseid did know how formidable this Doomsday was and that his elite guard were nothing. At no point in time did he mention teleporting him away but instead talked of evacuation. Face the facts please.

quanchi112

Ok I will touch now upon all of Thanos' sanctuary type spacecrafts. The Thanos clone in the celestial quest had a modified version of Sanctuary. Thanos had the another Sanctuary that he used in the Walker story arc in Captain Marvel. It was destroyed in the Infinity Abyss storyline. He had yet another Sanctuary that he used at the end of the Infinity Abyss alongside with Gamora that was later destroyed in the Epiphany story arc by Galactus. He had one more Sanctuary he summoned for the end of Epiphany that the Fallen one later destroyed.

Here are the scans showing the different Sanctuaries. This is the from the Walker storyline.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelv3017-22.jpg
Here is some pretty nifty technology that Thanos has at his disposal for cellular regeneration. He could repair injured troops in this manner.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelIII19p13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/CaptainMarvelIII19p14.jpg

Here is Thanos during the Infinity storyline arc.

This first scan shows how impressive Thanos's forcefields can be and how he can teleport an entire battlefield away because earth couldnt handle the damage. Keep in mind that Omega was stated as being twice as powerful as Galactus.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/10-3.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/11-2.jpg

This scan shows us how instrumental Warlock can be in battle with his soul gem.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/20-3.jpg
This scan shows us that that capitalize on Omega's weakness because Thanos hadnt corrected these problems yet and he was only a work in progress. Can you imagine what this guy could do with a years time.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/21-3.jpg

Here Thanos only survives due to his awesome forcefields. It also touches on how prepared Thanos was and is for conflict of this magnitude. Again with a years time and with all his allies and technology I shudder to think about what he would do to Apokolips and Darkseid.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/30-2.jpg

Here we see that Thanos has a shitload of remote controlled battleships and their entire assault to end this threat. Note that if they wouldnt have separated Omega from his craft he would have used this planets demise as nourishment. Thanos defeats him with his dangerous mind and was in control at all times.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/33-1.jpg

Here is the Thanos clone's modified Sanctuary.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest03-11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest04-04.jpg

Thanos and the Sanctuary he used in Marvel's The End.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/mute-01-12.jpg

Here is a spying device Thanos had at his disposal that the great Dr. Doom admitted was more sophisticated than his.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/mute-02-05.jpg

Here is how Thanos deals with testosterone ridden allies wanting to settle things out aboard his spacecraft.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Marvel_Universe_The_End_3_p09_HGWel.jpg

Here is Thanos' final upgrade along with the restoration of his space armada.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos0110-1.jpg
Sanctuary yet again.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos0111.jpg

Here is Thanos approaching Rigel-13 and explaining how its done.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos0113.jpg

Here is a foe that has the power to consume whole realities. Thanos knows about him while Galactus refuses to listen and sets him free. Where once again Thanos has to stop him.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos04_05.jpg
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Here is Galactus confronting Thanos but note how impressive Thanos forcefields are in the second scan before you here. Galactus gives him top kudos for having the strongest forcefield hes ever come in to contact with.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos0508-1.jpg
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Here two more of Thanos' allies. Skreets and the Fallen One.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/skreetlunatik.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/fallenonethanos.htm

Now here are some scans of these two characters.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos10-016-1.jpg

The Fallen One and how he became Thanos' personal herald.

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Pay attention to this scan.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos12-021-1.jpg
I wonder how many other characters Thanos could make bend to his will.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos12-022-1.jpg

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
There are two parts of this plan that are unfortunate;

Firstly, the fact that Thanos has to expend his resources to conquer and then keep Titan as his base. That is going to take time, planning, and resources all its own, and keeping it as a stronghold against the will of A'lars and the other Titanian Eternals is going to be a bit of a struggle, dividing Thanos' attention.

Darkseid, obviously, isn't going to have that problem what with his absolute rule of Apokolips.

Secondly...Isaac is useless. He helped Thanos' enemies about as much as he did Thanos. Thanos lost due to the fact that he basically challenged the Avengers,Kronos,Captain Marvel,etc. and eventually like all great villains he had to lose but look at all the forces aligned against him.

Thanos will have Titan and other options as base. His attention wont be on keeping Titan as with the forces and allies you see it will be easy as pie to keep this base. Dont forget Apokolips is always worried about New Genesis and that will divide Darkseid's attention. You wont really know where Thanos is as there will be clones stationed everywhere to keep Darkseid guessing. Isaac isnt useless he stores vast knowledge and also will only be available to Darkseid's forces if they can get to him which they wont.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
Hey man, I'm just relaying what the COMICS are saying. If you want to disagree, that is your perogative, but I have in continuity references saying as much.

There are a number of reasons this has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Firstly, they have New God technology to get themselves in, with the help of Barda. Thanos isn't going to get any of that, and Apokolips has snares and forcefields around itself to protect from similar incursions.

Secondly, this is a small, dedicated, powerful force that goes to Apokolips with a single objective; to get Supergirl out of there.

They have one sided prep - Darkseid isn't expecting them, hasn't built any defenses with them in mind, hasn't done anything to prepare at all.

And Thanos doesn't have anyone on his side with the intellect of Batman or the power of Superman. The only way for Thanos to do something similar would be to go in himself, and that basically spells certain death.

Meanwhile, a dedicated force of Iron Man, Thor, Spiderman and a couple of others were able to totally infiltrate Thanos' ship and destroy his big gem when he was trying to destroy all the suns in the universe -- what is to stop a couple of Darkseid's weaker soldiers from doing the same? It seems REAL easy to get to Thanos and snuff him and his out.

The difference is that Darkseid will know that he is coming, and will have a whole year to PREPARE for this.

You just admitted above that we don't know that Darkseid was going to be assasinated by Raker - he might have calmly destroyed him, or been unaffected by the blow to the head (which seems the most likely case). Leaving oneself open to attack may have been a function of the fact that he couldn't really be hurt by any of the combatants.

And the reason he knew that? Because he was intelligent. Because he had a good plan, good intel, and knew everything there was to know about it -- much moreso than Ares, apparently, as Ares was trapped like a bug and apparently had no idea he could have been.

And no matter how "weak" Ares might have been there, he was still on his way to having control of a universal level power, so it is still an extremely impressive tech feat.

And Darkseid was instrumental to the defeat of the Anti-Moniter (Something I believe I neglected to put up in my "tech" section, and will add right now)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/pf470422715f46aee1182578a39bf1983/fa8e2bd7.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/pd7a5ed683ad49a78cf5d52b7d4b3919f/fa8e2bd3.jpg

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http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p0c3572ee5010f1d2d9ae966e4c7f2cd0/fa8e25d5.jpg

And many other foes as well.

I'm just giving you an example of how impressive Darkseid's technology is.

A small, lifeless, uninhabited planet and war platforms the size of NY State are different animals, of course.

If we are going into personal power, Darkseid threatened to destroy Warworld (the size of Pluto, but made of metal and weapons) with his Omegas. And we've seen that New God technology can destroy suns, so...

Thanos has made note of the fact that he doesn't want to get involved with the Hulk, and Iron Man has gotten the better of Thanos before as well, as have Captain Mar-Vell and Adam Warlock.

It happens. It is the nature of being a villain.

Huh? Desaad gave Byrne Superman a good tussel, and has his source gun banishment, but he's never been a physical power house. The troops have more physical power than he does...he works solely through his works as an artificer of war weapons.

He doesn't have to physically engage anyone to be dangerous. Indeed, Darkseid would never use him that way.

The fact that he gave this armor to a mere earthing says a lot about how little he cared about it, what little power it represented to him. Perhaps he would manufacture in en mass, perhaps not. But its still an extremely impressive piece of equipment to just give away, more impressive than any armor I know of Thanos building.

To be clear, I'm not saying that Aurakles specifically is going to be an ally of Darkseid; he was created by New Genesis, not Apokolips, and is a force for good. Yes, Darkseid did "own" him in Seven Soldiers, but I never saw him do his bidding, so it seems unlikely that he would do so here.

I'm just showing an example of the kind of power and technology the New Gods have, what they are capable of creating.

And if this were about Thanos fighting specifically, I'd agree it wouldn't do much. But this is about Darkseid and Thanos' FORCES at work, and you haven't brought to the table anyone who wouldn't be felled by an atom bomb to the face.

If you can get past his defenses, sure.

But apparently you don't think its much of a disadvantage, since you gave Thanos the staging area of Titan, despite the massive resource and time cost this would take.

Yes.

But stronger than anyone that Thanos has working for him that you have thus far demonstrated.

Scarecrow was using Desaad's technology. Ok Ill give you the part about Batman having one sided prep but dont for a moment think that Thanos cannot get to Apokolips. Thanos has created timemachines,created clones of himself,has cloned basically Galactus when he didnt even have the time to make the necessary corrections. It is like he is just messing around so damn straight he will be able to get to Apokolips but its just that Darkseid will be expecting him.

Thanos has Adam Warlock at his side here and he is phenomenal with prep. So I guess you are wrong on this one and oh yeah the clones who have his keen planning and strategic minds. The man can clone himself.

Thanos still beat down the opposition after they destroyed his gem. He already adapted and was going to use the soul gem to snuff out our sun. Like all villains even though he beats them he doesnt kill them. The difference my friend is that with Raker, Darkseid was at his mercy and was saved by the Guardians interference. Darkseid did not land one offensive blow in and was looking horrible. Thanos got himself out of the situation and beat down the competition while Darkseid was saved by the bell so to speak.

Yes Desaad did give a weaker Superman a good tussle but lost nonetheless and I know he isnt used at Darkseid's muscle but instead is a planner alongside Darkseid. I just wanted to point out that Desaad is no powerhouse.

The armor is impressive but how about a Thanos clone or Omega and then that piece of armor you are bragging about looks like a piece of junk.

I see what you are trying to say with Aurakles. It is understood.

We have already discussed the Ares and Darkseid both going after the godwave thing over and over. Bottom line is one got it while the other had to stop him once he acquired it.

Darkseid did help stop the Anti Monitor but also need Alex Luthors energy specifically to injure Anti Monitor. So while it is impressive without Luthor it would have been useless. The Spectre and practically everyone helped against the Anti Monitor.

I am sure Thanos could cause a mass explosion on Apokolips once he started sending his forces in there. He teleports people,battlefields, and I am sure tech to and from his spacecraft with ease. The benefit I have going for me is that I have Thanos clones and robots so you wont know where Mr. T is at. I know exactly where Darkseid is at all times.

Scarecrow and Desaad worked together to brainwash Superman. Thus it is a shared feat.

quanchi112

Now it is really time to send in the clones. Really Darkseid is in for it once you see some of Thanos' clones and the clones' allies here. This is part 1 in attack of the clones.

This clone was seen in Kazar.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/k-06-21.jpg
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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/k-09-19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/k-10-07.jpg

Ok now the second clone I want to show you met Thor and had a little battle with Asgard. He also has the very powerful Mangog as an ally.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-523-021-13.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-523-021-17.jpg
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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-523-021-19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-523-021-20.jpg

This third clone that I am going to show you was involved in the Avengers Celestial Quest story. I already touched on his modified Sanctuary earlier. Out of these three clones this Thanos definitely seemed the most powerful.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest01-2223.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest02-03.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest02-15.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest02-18.jpg

His plans of course are so grand in scope that Eternity,Mistress Death,Chaos and Order are present and involved in this story.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest02-1617.jpg

Here Thanos gives away and grants godlike powers.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest03-19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest03-20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest03-21.jpg

Imagine how many godlike powers he could give out in this manner. He would have to extinguish lifeforces to do this but wow just think of the possibilities.

Here are two more of Thanos' allies Reptyl the god and Primo.
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quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
I just want to point out how inferior this is to what Darkseid possesses. Boom Tubes are devices to warp the bounds of reality itself. Time and Space are meaningless concepts when you have a Boom Tube - it allows one to travel to anywhere in space, through dimensions, and in some examples even through time.

Considering this was his most powerful (offensively) ship ever...thats pretty sad. I've shown you examples of New God technology destroying entire SUNS, much less this which didn't fully destroy a small moon?

As impressive as the Stasis guns are, Apokolips basically has a similar thing going for it in the field that uses one's own strength against it. Neither side is going to win it based on their ships or armada. It all comes down to who is the better strategist. Thanos has always sought out artifacts of power and most of his tech and clones are just experimentation anyways. He built the Dreadnaught when he as younger anyways and really wasnt out to overtake the universe with might as he realized thats a fools way to try to overtake the universe.

Thanos also has the synthetic gem and Adam Warlock's gem to snuff out any old particular sun but we both know this isnt going to win the war.

The stasis guns are impressive enough to hold Thor captive with the friggin power gem. So yeah this will definitely help out in this epic battle against Darkseid and his forces.

llagrok

This shit is hilarious.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes Drax defeated them but was indeed at his smartest and went through a planet of Annihilus's creatures along with one of his queens. So while you may say he was powered down he still was powerful indeed.

He was powerful, but he wasn't as invulnerable, nor as strong, he had lost his flight ability and no longer had any energy powers.

In exchange for intelligence, skill...and some knives.

I'm saying, Blood Brothers - not that powerful, as you admit.

Paibak actually ISN'T that bright. What was his idea in the Drax mini, take over a small Alaskan town? And even THAT didn't work out!

With the kind of technology Darkseid has at his disposal, simple skrullians shouldn't be too much trouble to detect.

The Skrull Army doesn't even exist, save for a very select few.

Skrulls are the refugees of the universe at this point, totally impotent. The Kree are only slightly better off, half their empire ceded to the Annihilation Wave.

The Sh'iar are too dangerous to get mixed up with; it would be unfortunate for Thanos to have the Sh'iar Imperial Guard against him before he even begins to go up against Darkseid.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Olympus losto to Cronus due to his planning and because he had more worshippers. It wasnt due to him being more powerful it was due to his intellgience and after this battle he was more powerful after he defeated Olympus with ease. Both are impressive and the only reason I brought it up is to point out it can be done by another character due to his intelligence and not just sheer power. More worshippers gave them the easy victory.

Uh, this had nothing to do with intelligence.

In the DC Universe, more worshipers for a god means more power for that God. This is made ABUNDANTLY clear, recently, with the whole Athena/Ares/Aphrodite power level comparison to Zues.

Cronus having more worshipers is precisely what gave him the win here, as you yourself admit, and thus this is a power feat.

What planning, exactly, are you referring to? The whole conflict consists of Cronus coming in with his Gods, fighting the each god one on one, and winning through pure power superiority.

If you're dismissing this due to a lack of similar circumstances, virtually all of your examples no longer hold credence in relation to Darkseid's bad showings. Every example you have brought up refers to one sided prep or a surprise attack.

Conquering New Genesis is only one part of his plan, a small piece.

He already had the chance, and didn't.

He and all of New Genesis, yes.

Izaya is dead, and New Genesis is STILL keeping Apokolips in check. Hardly the center of things that you are painting him to be.

So the whole point of this argument is that an equally powerful, equally advanced, equally intelligent planet is able to stalemate Darkseid and Apokolips?

No disagreement.

I ALSO don't think Thanos is going to stand a chance against New Genesis, of course.

Darkseid stopped him cold on his own, with his own technology, due to his own plans.

Don't try to spread the wealth of credit.

In the same way that Thanos failed during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, and the Cosmic Cube saga, and the Soul Gem debacle, yes. All of those were big failures for Thanos, as he ultimately failed to achieve his desire.

Magus makes it clear that he is going to kill Thanos, and that he is more powerful than Thanos. As the champion of life, it was always his duty to defeat, forever, the Champion of Death - Thanos.

That being the case, Thanos is as likely - more likely, going by Thanos' love of physical confrontation - to get himself killed in the heat of battle, and to leave himself open to attacks.

Are you referring to the Cosmic Cube saga? I don't recall Kronos or Lord Chaos/Master Order having anything to do with the Soul Gem stuff.

Of course cosmics are going to align to stop Thanos when he's got a big cosmic artifact at his command. Hardly evidence of his prep skill.

Same, I suppose, as some god coming from out of nowhere to steal your power and take advantage of your plans.

Of course, Darkseid still managed a way to salvage that one. smile

DigiMark007

Suggestion:

I realize this is different than a tournament, but it might be advantageous to adopt the post limit rules that tourneys have. There's a lot of material in this thread, and much more than most judges will want to read. In any battle, especially in a 1-on-1 setting, there shouldn't be anything that can't be said in, say, 6-7 posts.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok so now let me retort to what you said about Desaad just teleporting him away with no probelms. First off desaad asked for orders to which Darkseid replied, that he wanted his elite guard summoned to slow the creature's progress as one of my scans has shown you. He said if we cannot develop a plan then we must prepare for its evacuation. Right there the proof is in his very own words. He knew the creature was formidable so why did he not simply teleport him away. Is he that stupid?

He thought he and his Guard could handle it.

He's arrogant, undoubtedly, but it isn't as if he had complex dossiers on Doomsday and Cyborg Superman, so what do you want?

Just as you in another post, it doesn't really matter -- this was a surprise attack, something that COULDN'T be planned.

In our little scenario, Darkseid has a year to plot and plan and prepare for Thanos' attack. Not the same at all.

If Darkseid responded that way, certainly.

But I've demonstrated that Darkseid has weapons powerful enough to stun, even kill, Doomsday. It would be a simple matter to stun him, and then send him to wherever.

Again though, this has nothing to do with anything -- right?

There would be no Cyborg Superman or Doomsday surprise attacking in this war either.

Your point is...useless, either way.

And if you're insistent on using Adam Warlock, it MUST be noted that Superman has intervened on behalf of Darkseid no less than three times.

Its possible.

It has to be noted that all of Thanos' sentries, protections, etc up until that point were 100% breached.

Pretty sad, given how weak Champion was at that point - taken out from one very casual punch from Dumb Drax.

Oh, and again, Darkseid has similarly removed Superman -- in fact, in a VERY similar circumstance.

I'll face a complete picture of the facts rather than the abridged version you seem to be playing with.

To summarize this post alone you're...

1. Using an example that gives Darkseid no prep time, claiming it a legitimate showing of Darkseid's readiness after 1 year of prep, and then decrying other examples I've shown (Olympus vs Granny Goodness) as largely invalid because the Olympians didn't have any idea what was coming.
2. Showing an example of an extremely weak character getting through Thanos' defenses to prove Thanos' superiority
3. Ignoring a similar example of Darkseid banishing Superman instantly

In previous posts, you've also used a couple examples of Darkseid making him available on the battlefield as proof positive that he is going to make himself available to Thanos' forces, ignoring the times in which Thanos has single handidly sought out battle - a lot - and the times that extremely weak forces, with no prep time, have been able to reach Thanos - which was also a lot (Soul Gem, Cosmic Cube).

Not buying it.

Desaad

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Suggestion:

I realize this is different than a tournament, but it might be advantageous to adopt the post limit rules that tourneys have. There's a lot of material in this thread, and much more than most judges will want to read. In any battle, especially in a 1-on-1 setting, there shouldn't be anything that can't be said in, say, 6-7 posts.

No judges here.

Just for fun.

Badabing

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos lost due to the fact that he basically challenged the Avengers,Kronos,Captain Marvel,etc. and eventually like all great villains he had to lose but look at all the forces aligned against him.

Whatever the reasoning, it remains essentially the same, or if not the same that similar.

To be clear, I'm not saying Thanos isn't going to be able to take over Titan -- just that the expenditure of resources to take over and hold it will be a HUGE setback for him, for while Darkseid is planning his battle with Thanos and building his war machine Thanos will have to plan a war with Titan, undoubtedly lose some resources in conquering the planet, and be left with the necessity of maintaining control of the planet -- filled with a hostile population -- while waging a war against Darkseid.

No, not easy as pie, as demonstrated the last time he tried to take over the planet.

Ah, but Darkseid won't be preoccupied with New Genesis. Darkseid's war with the Green Lantern Corps already demonstrated the way they feel about getting involved in one of Darkseid's wars.

And that was with a benevolent peace keeping force like the Green Lantern Corps.

Ahh, the clones. I'll get to the clones with your big post about them in a moment.

Nevertheless, given Thanos' penchant for physical battle, it should be easy to get a bead on him.

I don't see why they wouldn't be able to get to him, or why they wouldn't be able to contact him from across the light years, as Desaad was able to control scientists on earth from Apokolips.

TricksterPriest

I nominate Bada and Digi for judges. shifty

Desaad

Originally posted by Badabing
I agree.

Quan, Desaad.
There needs to be more structure here. I'm not letting this thread go on forever without some judges and a defined winner. durfist

Uh, why not?

Is there a defined winner in every thread on the board, then?

TricksterPriest

It's a battlezone thread. Which means there is a winner this time. Just pick some judges and end it in about 5 more posts, is that cool?

DigiMark007

Originally posted by Desaad
Uh, why not?

Is there a defined winner in every thread on the board, then?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's a battlezone thread. Which means there is a winner this time. Just pick some judges and end it in about 5 more posts, is that cool?

Yeah, otherwise it's not a Battlezone thread, a thread for you guys to post against each other as long as you want, with the ability to yell at anyone else who decides they have an opinion. It's a bit egotistical, and would also be against the general forum rules unless done through proper Battlezone limitations and rules.

Badabing

Originally posted by Desaad
Uh, why not?

Is there a defined winner in every thread on the board, then? Does every thread have named members in the title? Did you read the battle zone rules?

Pick judges and a post/time limit please.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok Ill give you the part about Batman having one sided prep but dont for a moment think that Thanos cannot get to Apokolips. Thanos has created timemachines,created clones of himself,has cloned basically Galactus when he didnt even have the time to make the necessary corrections. It is like he is just messing around so damn straight he will be able to get to Apokolips but its just that Darkseid will be expecting him.

No, I don't believe that Thanos is going to be able to get to Apokolips, at least not for a long while, if Darkseid has all of his forcefields, psi ops, snares, and weapons in place.

The battle will more than likely take place in the area AROUND Apokolips, but I don't anticipate Thanos penetrating very far, what with Darkseid's superior technology, superior resources, superior calvary numbers, superior elite warriors and superior trumps.

It is nice that Thanos has created time machines, but Apokolips has those as well, as I demonstrated a while ago -- and they are much smaller and more manueverable, too.

I will respond to the clones in the next one, but you know what I am going to say.

He adapted to his failure, right, against heroes that he really should have seen coming.

But he failed to do that, too.

Darkseid adapted to the failure of his plan against Ares, who he couldn't have seen coming, and then won the day.

Thanos ended up a stone statue for over a decade.

That is fine, that isn't his role. But when it comes to it, he can still be more powerful and more effective than most anyone on your team.

Not to mention he could mass produce the devices that gave him the power to go toe to toe with Byrne Supes and Dr. Fate and hand them out to elite soldiers -- that would certainly boost a lot of stats, and give even Thanos' most powerful pause.

Clones and Omega aren't going to come into play here, but even if they DID I'd wager that the armor would do fine against most of those clones, Omega the exception.

He saw through Luthor's eyes to reach the Anti Moniter, but his energies had nothing to do with the blast that affected the Anti - Moniter so thoroughly, and it was his technology that allowed him to use Alex Luthor as a portal through which to see. Again, two great showings for his technology, offensive and sensory.

Not really. Not given the fact that Darkseid has avatars and technology capable of replicating his form.

Scarecrow used Desaad's technology to drive Superman insane. It is not a "shared feat" in that all Scarecrow did was stay on earth and push a button or two.

It was 100% Desaad's technology.

Desaad

Originally posted by Badabing
Does every thread have named members in the title? Did you read the battle zone rules?

Pick judges and a post/time limit please.

I'll leave it up to Quanchi, then.

I honestly don't care.

And from the beginning I was fine with people responding in the thread. It was an issue that Quanchi had, not mine.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now it is really time to send in the clones. Really Darkseid is in for it once you see some of Thanos' clones and the clones' allies here.

Okay, this is really the only part of this post I have to respond to.

Thanos isn't going to have access to his clones in this battle.

Why not?

It has nothing to do with the rules, and everything to do with practicality.

Thanos' clones were uncontrollable. Unreliable. They tried to KILL HIM for crissakes.

He has been trying to use them, perfect them, for YEARS (Ka-Zar being the first known incident, and that was over a decade ago). He specifically sought to destroy them, rather than use them, because they were totally uncontrollable.

That is how unsalvagable they were. Thanos, the guy who loves any intellectual challenge, sought to destroy every one of them because he couldn't find a way to use them for his own gain.

Thanos using them would be a HUGE strategic error, as the last time any of them were conscious they set off a tactical black hole in his face.

The guy had to systematically kill them, and it almost killed HIM.

Releasing his clones would be, again, a huge mistake and could very well win the war for Darkseid in and of itself.

For the record, I believe that even IF the clones were around, Darkseid would still win this. The Promethean is a more powerful (and controllable) trump, the Brimestone Corps would ROLL OVER pretty much anything you can send against Darkseid, weapons in my arsenal alter reality, destroy and channel entire stars into weapons. Telepaths (as one of Thanos' clones is) are helpless against the New Gods, and can be rendered unconscious and useless with technology.

Omega, powerful though he was SAID to be, was ultimately defeated by a bunch of energy blasts, was stunned by Spiderman's webbing, was knocked down heavily by a Soul Gem blast (previously, in WaIW, the most powerful Soul Gem blast Adam Warlock could manage was described as capable of knocking down a building).

Weak, ultimately.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
He was powerful, but he wasn't as invulnerable, nor as strong, he had lost his flight ability and no longer had any energy powers.

In exchange for intelligence, skill...and some knives.

I'm saying, Blood Brothers - not that powerful, as you admit.

Paibak actually ISN'T that bright. What was his idea in the Drax mini, take over a small Alaskan town? And even THAT didn't work out!

With the kind of technology Darkseid has at his disposal, simple skrullians shouldn't be too much trouble to detect.

The Skrull Army doesn't even exist, save for a very select few.

Skrulls are the refugees of the universe at this point, totally impotent. The Kree are only slightly better off, half their empire ceded to the Annihilation Wave.

The Sh'iar are too dangerous to get mixed up with; it would be unfortunate for Thanos to have the Sh'iar Imperial Guard against him before he even begins to go up against Darkseid. Ok one thing I wasnt sure on was how we are doing this. I didnt know but I guess we get all their allies and outside forces are all current then,correct?

Paibok isnt the brightest but then again neither are half the idiots that work for Darkseid. Kalibak is an outright idiot himself and as long as they dont come into contact with Desaad or anyone remotely intelligent Paibok could indeed work his way in here. The planet is immense and Darkseid doesnt notice everything on his planet at all times.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
Okay, this is really the only part of this post I have to respond to.

Thanos isn't going to have access to his clones in this battle.

Why not?

It has nothing to do with the rules, and everything to do with practicality.

Thanos' clones were uncontrollable. Unreliable. They tried to KILL HIM for crissakes.

He has been trying to use them, perfect them, for YEARS (Ka-Zar being the first known incident, and that was over a decade ago). He specifically sought to destroy them, rather than use them, because they were totally uncontrollable.

That is how unsalvagable they were. Thanos, the guy who loves any intellectual challenge, sought to destroy every one of them because he couldn't find a way to use them for his own gain.

Thanos using them would be a HUGE strategic error, as the last time any of them were conscious they set off a tactical black hole in his face.

The guy had to systematically kill them, and it almost killed HIM.

Releasing his clones would be, again, a huge mistake and could very well win the war for Darkseid in and of itself.

For the record, I believe that even IF the clones were around, Darkseid would still win this. The Promethean is a more powerful (and controllable) trump, the Brimestone Corps would ROLL OVER pretty much anything you can send against Darkseid, weapons in my arsenal alter reality, destroy and channel entire stars into weapons. Telepaths (as one of Thanos' clones is) are helpless against the New Gods, and can be rendered unconscious and useless with technology.

Omega, powerful though he was SAID to be, was ultimately defeated by a bunch of energy blasts, was stunned by Spiderman's webbing, was knocked down heavily by a Soul Gem blast (previously, in WaIW, the most powerful Soul Gem blast Adam Warlock could manage was described as capable of knocking down a building).

Weak, ultimately. In my second attack of the clones post youll see why they most certainly are going to be involved. I knew you were going to fight me on this and as well you should because with the clones it really makes Thanos win in a landslide. But be patient in my second attack of the clones I will tell you why they are most certainly included.

Desaad

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok one thing I wasnt sure on was how we are doing this. I didnt know but I guess we get all their allies and outside forces are all current then,correct?

I was going with the idea that any notables from the past they were able to get.

Kind of a timeless thing, so long as it is within reason.

You should probably have a look at what your mod is saying though, before we continue this.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
Uh, this had nothing to do with intelligence.

In the DC Universe, more worshipers for a god means more power for that God. This is made ABUNDANTLY clear, recently, with the whole Athena/Ares/Aphrodite power level comparison to Zues.

Cronus having more worshipers is precisely what gave him the win here, as you yourself admit, and thus this is a power feat.

What planning, exactly, are you referring to? The whole conflict consists of Cronus coming in with his Gods, fighting the each god one on one, and winning through pure power superiority.

If you're dismissing this due to a lack of similar circumstances, virtually all of your examples no longer hold credence in relation to Darkseid's bad showings. Every example you have brought up refers to one sided prep or a surprise attack.

Conquering New Genesis is only one part of his plan, a small piece.

He already had the chance, and didn't.

He and all of New Genesis, yes.

Izaya is dead, and New Genesis is STILL keeping Apokolips in check. Hardly the center of things that you are painting him to be.

So the whole point of this argument is that an equally powerful, equally advanced, equally intelligent planet is able to stalemate Darkseid and Apokolips?

No disagreement.

I ALSO don't think Thanos is going to stand a chance against New Genesis, of course.

Darkseid stopped him cold on his own, with his own technology, due to his own plans.

Don't try to spread the wealth of credit.

In the same way that Thanos failed during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, and the Cosmic Cube saga, and the Soul Gem debacle, yes. All of those were big failures for Thanos, as he ultimately failed to achieve his desire.

Magus makes it clear that he is going to kill Thanos, and that he is more powerful than Thanos. As the champion of life, it was always his duty to defeat, forever, the Champion of Death - Thanos.

That being the case, Thanos is as likely - more likely, going by Thanos' love of physical confrontation - to get himself killed in the heat of battle, and to leave himself open to attacks.

Are you referring to the Cosmic Cube saga? I don't recall Kronos or Lord Chaos/Master Order having anything to do with the Soul Gem stuff.

Of course cosmics are going to align to stop Thanos when he's got a big cosmic artifact at his command. Hardly evidence of his prep skill.

Same, I suppose, as some god coming from out of nowhere to steal your power and take advantage of your plans.

Of course, Darkseid still managed a way to salvage that one. smile

Cronus took steps to make sure he had more worshipers. To me it makes it both a prep and a power feat.

Ok with regards to Darkseid and his stalemate with New Genesis. You are correct that it doesnt matter who rules New Genesis basically because Darkseid even though they are virtually equal cant lead his side over the other side it seems no matter who the leader is. So to me that makes two leaders wit equal forces that Darkseid couldnt defeat.

Please dont tell me you think Thanos would struggle with New Genesis. His clone almost conquered Asgard. His clone and imagine what Thanos could do is this was his life's mission. The reason Thanos has changed as a character because he has accomplished his goals while Darkseid is still out there seeking to conquer New Genesis and subjugate the universe to his rule.

Darkseid also had help stopping Ares. He stopped him on his own but thats not how they defeated him. Darkseid needed other help to actually defeat him but on his own he froze him.

Thanos did fail in ig and all the other sagas but accomplished godhood in the end and righted the universe at the end. So he indeed didnt fail there but actually got to whip the universe's ass and then he was the only being who could fix it let alone handle that kind of awesome power.

Magus makes it clear he wants to kill Thanos but did he,nope. Thanos at his weakest held him off and put together the steps in order to defeat the Magus. The champion of death won. So really yes he left himself open for defeat but handled himself nicely and didnt need anyone to stop the battle. The difference is Thanos interceded because he had to while Darkseid being overconfident was picked off in the field of battle due to carelessness.

Lord Chaos and Master Order both knew in the synthetic gem story that Warlock was needed and that Spiderman had to buy them the time for all this to play out. Thanos not only beat down the competition but someone had to return in spirit form that he previously killed to put him down.

Thanos has had allies outside of stories with artifacts of power. Hes damn good at prep and when he talks all listen. He is a really powerful and convincing manipulator.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
He thought he and his Guard could handle it.

He's arrogant, undoubtedly, but it isn't as if he had complex dossiers on Doomsday and Cyborg Superman, so what do you want?

Just as you in another post, it doesn't really matter -- this was a surprise attack, something that COULDN'T be planned.

In our little scenario, Darkseid has a year to plot and plan and prepare for Thanos' attack. Not the same at all.

If Darkseid responded that way, certainly.

But I've demonstrated that Darkseid has weapons powerful enough to stun, even kill, Doomsday. It would be a simple matter to stun him, and then send him to wherever.

Again though, this has nothing to do with anything -- right?

There would be no Cyborg Superman or Doomsday surprise attacking in this war either.

Your point is...useless, either way.

And if you're insistent on using Adam Warlock, it MUST be noted that Superman has intervened on behalf of Darkseid no less than three times.

Its possible.

It has to be noted that all of Thanos' sentries, protections, etc up until that point were 100% breached.

Pretty sad, given how weak Champion was at that point - taken out from one very casual punch from Dumb Drax.

Oh, and again, Darkseid has similarly removed Superman -- in fact, in a VERY similar circumstance.

I'll face a complete picture of the facts rather than the abridged version you seem to be playing with.

To summarize this post alone you're...

1. Using an example that gives Darkseid no prep time, claiming it a legitimate showing of Darkseid's readiness after 1 year of prep, and then decrying other examples I've shown (Olympus vs Granny Goodness) as largely invalid because the Olympians didn't have any idea what was coming.
2. Showing an example of an extremely weak character getting through Thanos' defenses to prove Thanos' superiority
3. Ignoring a similar example of Darkseid banishing Superman instantly

In previous posts, you've also used a couple examples of Darkseid making him available on the battlefield as proof positive that he is going to make himself available to Thanos' forces, ignoring the times in which Thanos has single handidly sought out battle - a lot - and the times that extremely weak forces, with no prep time, have been able to reach Thanos - which was also a lot (Soul Gem, Cosmic Cube).

Not buying it. He didnt think they could handle it. He knew his elite guard would just slow him down a bit. Darkseid wouldnt be talking of evacuation if he fully believed he could handle it. Read the scans again because in my post I took what they said on the page. You are reaching with this when I already posted the scans.

I know it was a surprise attack. But think about this will you it was Doomsday an unthinking brute and Cyborg. Darkseid had more than enough time to react. He has vast powers and a gigantic army. Now I could see if Doomsda just met Darkseid face to face right off the bat but he didnt. Darkseid had time to think about how to deal with this. Its not the same way at all that say Thanos had to deal with the power gem crazed Thor. This to me shows you who thinks calmer in the heat of the moment. Thanos dealt with his sudden problem while Darkseid had time to ponder and failed. Thanos subdued his attacker when he felt the need to. He played with Thor while Doomsday crushed Darkseid. I do agree that Thanos wont just be able to suprise him in one year but I think with what we know that Thanos will be the more collected one in any situation you throw him in while Darkseid wont be as sharp.

Im sure Darkseid if he had a month or so to plan on stopping Doomsday he could I mean come on hes an idiot. Its a shame Darkseid couldnt figure out a way to get him off his planet anyways. So again my point isnt useless it shows how unintelligent Darkseid can be in in the heat of battle.

Champion reaching Thanos isnt that big of a thing. I mean he spends some of his time farming on an uninhabited planet where anyone can get to him. So Im sure he doesnt always have the best security around himself all the time as he can handle himself. He doesnt need an elite guard watching his ass man hes Thanos. If Thanos was at war he isnt going to let his guard down though rest assured and security along with his location will be very secretive and beefed up.

To respond to your numbered posts here I go.

1.I never claimed Darkseid had prep time but it showed his lack of foresight and I question his judgment in dealing with a foe who could be bfr'd and really wouldnt return. It was that easy yet Darkseid seemed clueless. smile

2.Thanos isnt that hard to get to. The reason I brought it up is because Thanos just bfr'd him in the heat of the moment. He could do the same to Doomsday while Darkseid had a chance to sit and think about how he was going to respond. Thanos would have teleported him away in a heartbeat. Granny Goodness and her taking over the pantheon was with onesided prep so again it shows what they are capable of but if Olympus was ready they wouldnt have fallen.
3.Darkseid didnt banish Superman in Superman/Batman 41. Of course he is capable of it but the only reason again I bring up the Doomsday is because he had shitty judgment and just needed a bfr for the win. Instead he needed Supermans aid because his whole planet got rocked.

quanchi112

Here is my second post that has to do with my clones.

These clones names are Armour,Mystic,Omega,Warrior, and X. Abit more about them and then some scans I want you to see.

Armour-was most involved with the nihilist army. His power level was comparable to the original Thanos. He was most certainly an Iron Man Thanos-clone.

Mystic-He had a significant degree of mystical ability and powers. He was the Dr. Strange Thanos clone. He had mystical abilities but wasn't a match for the real Dr. Strange.

Warrior-He was the Gladiator Thanos clone. Adam Warlock said he was four times as strong as Thanos was. Now that is very strong. I wont lie to you though he did have somewhat of a limited intellect but could definitely brawl with the best of them.

X-He had extensive mental powers and was the Charles Xavier Thanos clone. He mentally projected himself as the real Thanos and at one point enslaved Moondragon to his will.

Omega-He was stated as being twice as powerful as Galactus. So really as powerful as Galactus is more powerful than any ally Darkseid can bring to the table here. His ship that he had could absorb planetary explosions and thus nourish him. Again if he would have had his ship that explosion would have only nourished him.

Take a look at the followers that even the clones can inspire. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/InfinityAbyss1of6-21.jpg
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Here is X just mentally projecting himself as the real Thanos.

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Heres a little square off with Moondragon.
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Ok now pay attention to this scan here as its crucial. It state that these clones were very destructive but that he put one up against Thor here. Millions died but in this war with Apokolips all he has to do is set them against Apokolips. He already admitted he could send these clones after certain characters and places. Instead of Asgard he would set them all up against Apokolips. Again if it runs out of control it doesnt matter as it will be set against Darkseid.

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This scan know tells us how they were activated and that their liberator gave them direction. This proves they can be given direction. This time it will be by Thanos himself and the will be directed against Darkseid.

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Heres a scan backing up what I have claimed about these clones.

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This Armour was about to finish off Gamora so that means hes pretty powerful indeed. Remember that Ronan failed to beat her in a longer battle. He almost pulled it off until Thanos decided otherwise. Note that Armour called Thanos father here.

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Here is the Warrior clone just getting down to business until Warlock decided to use his soul gem on him to end this charade.

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This scan has Thanos telling the heroes hes about twice as powerful as Galactus.
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More scans dealing with Omega.
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There are some other scans of Omega in previous posts as well.

Now pay attention to these scans. This happened in She Hulk and dealt with yet another of Thanos' clones.

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This last scan is very very very important. Pay attention please here to this one. Thanos created a clone and was able to alter his memories. The reason he did this was probably because he thought that it would be funny. He is that damn good ladies and gentlemen. So again whereas Desaad will lead you to believe these clones cant be given direction and are useless I have proven him utterly and totally wrong. Thanos can alter their memories,set them against anyone, and he will be the one to give them direction.

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So basically he can alter their memories and make them want Darkseid dead at all costs. He did this because of the humor factor but think what he could do if were serious and was involved in a war.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Desaad
No, I don't believe that Thanos is going to be able to get to Apokolips, at least not for a long while, if Darkseid has all of his forcefields, psi ops, snares, and weapons in place.

The battle will more than likely take place in the area AROUND Apokolips, but I don't anticipate Thanos penetrating very far, what with Darkseid's superior technology, superior resources, superior calvary numbers, superior elite warriors and superior trumps.

It is nice that Thanos has created time machines, but Apokolips has those as well, as I demonstrated a while ago -- and they are much smaller and more manueverable, too.

I will respond to the clones in the next one, but you know what I am going to say.

He adapted to his failure, right, against heroes that he really should have seen coming.

But he failed to do that, too.

Darkseid adapted to the failure of his plan against Ares, who he couldn't have seen coming, and then won the day.

Thanos ended up a stone statue for over a decade.

That is fine, that isn't his role. But when it comes to it, he can still be more powerful and more effective than most anyone on your team.

Not to mention he could mass produce the devices that gave him the power to go toe to toe with Byrne Supes and Dr. Fate and hand them out to elite soldiers -- that would certainly boost a lot of stats, and give even Thanos' most powerful pause.

Clones and Omega aren't going to come into play here, but even if they DID I'd wager that the armor would do fine against most of those clones, Omega the exception.

He saw through Luthor's eyes to reach the Anti Moniter, but his energies had nothing to do with the blast that affected the Anti - Moniter so thoroughly, and it was his technology that allowed him to use Alex Luthor as a portal through which to see. Again, two great showings for his technology, offensive and sensory.

Not really. Not given the fact that Darkseid has avatars and technology capable of replicating his form.

Scarecrow used Desaad's technology to drive Superman insane. It is not a "shared feat" in that all Scarecrow did was stay on earth and push a button or two.

It was 100% Desaad's technology. Well first off Omega goes through forcefields like nothing so Im sure he could get through their planetary defensive shielding.

I want to adress your boom tubes here and point out that we could cause problems with some radiation barriers that could restrict it to local use while the begin their assault. I like all your eggs in one basket and the basket is Apokolips.
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You want to talk about mass producing and spreading the wealth ok. How about how the Thanos clone who could grant godlike powers. How about making more and more Thanos clones. Either way you want it I win. If we just are limited only to whats on panel and we cant mass produce I win but if we can mass produce I still win. Armour was powerful enough to defeat Gamora while Warrior was four times as strong as Thanos. You act like Omega was the only clone with any bit of power. I mean what about the Celestial clone or the Thor one. These are very powerful clones here. I want you to understand that.

Ok you want to talk about Thanos being a stone for over a decade well Darkseid has been killed to by the Spectre but his role in dc had him immediately resurrected through no power of his own. Thanos came back when Death wanted him back.

Im sure that Luthor's energies were needed to hurt the Anti Monitor. No other being could have been substituted here.

quanchi112

Summation.

Ok first off this would be one for the ages as we are taking two behemoths with prep matching wits and resources against one another. Now I know Darkseid has always had Apokolips under his thumb while Thanos really hasnt set out to dominate on sheer force alone. But that doesnt mean he cant.

Tech will play a huge part in this I am sure but Thanos does have impressive tech indeed. He makes Sanctuaries like its a hobby. He has had a massive space armada and a fleet of remote controlled battleships capable of defeating Omega a being with twice the power of Galactus with Thanos' keen mind and a sequence of events that made him susceptible to this method of attack. Now they both can influence time so they basically negate each other. Thanos used time to defeat a godlike being the Magus. I mean to have jurisdiction over and thousand worlds in friggin unbelievable.

Now I will go over briefly the allies that Thanos has at his disposal. Nitro,Rhino,Titanium Man,once again Superskrull, and Geatar are his little group of baddies he sent on a mission for himself. While they arent the baddest on the block they are capable of damage and arent easily dealt with. Ok we also have Paibok,the Blood Brothers, and Gamora. Gamora is a deadly assassin indeed and will also be armed with a knife that was capable of calling the Magus who was a god. Thanos also has the Controller at his side. With the amount of discs he could put out there he could become more than a handful. Thanos also has Skreets who survived an attack from the Maker and who hurt the Fallen One. Speaking of Galactus' heralds Thanos has Terrax as an ally and will use him against Darkseid as well. Thanos has Mangog at his side as well who is above top tier. He has Primo and Reptyl the god as powerful allies as well.

Ok now Ill discuss some of his major allies. First and foremost he has Adam Warlock who when he works with Thanos as opposed to against they save the universe and it seems like there truly is nothing these two couldnt accomplish when working together. Adam's gem is capable of destroying suns and ripping souls out of combatants with ease. He once challenged Mephisto in his own realm and beat him due to his soul gem. Mistress Death will be his silent partner. She will not actively be involved but will provide for him knowledge and he also receives backing from the lady of death. Thanos also has the Fallen One. Fallen One can manipulate dark matter and can fly faster than light.

Thanos has Isaac the supercomputer for knowledge and information as well as the Infinity Well. I have shown that Thanos can teleport people into his ship at great distances and can teleport and change the scene where the battle is taking place at. The boomtubes can accomplish this as well but dont forget it is possible to jam the boomtubes and render the motherboxes useless amidst battle and thus make it very difficult for Darkseid to mobilize his forces all over creation as they come for Thanos' forces.

Thanos and his clones really turn the tide of this battle. As I have shown with his clones by the scans backing up my stance that they can be used in Thanos' favor in this battle. He sent a Thanos clone after Thor. Thanos didnt liberate the Thanosi and didnt personally give them their direction. But this proves they can be given direction and a purpose. He can channel their destructive ways and put it to good use. Thanos will be directing them into war against Darkseid. That was one of the major problems is that somone else got to them first. This time it will be different. Think of the awesome power that Omega brings to the table. He was stated as being twice as powerful as Galactus. Now I dont care what Desaad says about a Promethean Giant and its power because they arent as powerful as Galactus let alone as powerful as Omega was stated to be.

Again Desaad tried to downplay the forces that were gathered to stop Omega. First off he was separated from his craft to pull this plan off anyways. Second off the likes of Captain Marvel,Thanos,Adam Warlock,etc. along with a fleet of battleships in space coordinated with teleportation and a soul gem attack. Let me remind you again that the soul gem defeated Mephisto in his own realm. Inferior minds and weaker characters have defeated Galactus before.

This war will come down to planning and manpower. The Thanos clones we have seen wit the allies in battle will be enough to win the day. Omega wont be all alone this time and will be directed along with the other immense forces here where exactly to channel their attack. Do not forget all it took before on an unprepared Apokolips was two beings to stomp a mudhole in them. Thanos is intellectually superior to the Cyborg and has more raw power on his side and numbers. Granted both sides will be prepared but I merely used this to better show how Darkseid doesnt think as clearly as Thanos in the heat of the moment. They dont call Thanos the king of prep for nothing. With a year to do this Thanos will win it due to superior planning. At the end of the day both of these masterminds would have everything mapped out and planned out. But in the end Thanos adapts to his surroundings better than Darkseid. Thanos is the calmer and cooler thinker under pressure. None of their plans would work perfectly and both would have to adapt during this titanic conflict. Like it was stated in Infinity Abyss that Thanos' most dangerous attribute is his mind. In the end as always Thanos would stand triumphant.
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Desaad

My summation will follow.

Long story short, my side has all the advantages, and pretty much every contingency planned for.

Psi-ops allows intel of ANY attack on Apokolips before it even happens. Thanos will never be able to plan a surprise attack; we've got that covered.

But the New Gods themselves are immune to any telepathy, and while the parademons and lowly soldiers are not, Apokolips has technology that disables any psionic users.

Darkseid starts off with an incredibly strong, powerful base of operations in Apokolips. Thanos will be forced to conquer and steal any place to stage his attack, which in and of itself takes precious resources, as it does to occupy an enemy stronghold (as Titan would be, with its myriad semi-powerful citizens).

Not only does he have an extremely powerful "main" seat of power in Apokolips, but we've seen he's capable of easily building bases that are the size of New York State, or a moon (Tartarus). And with tesserect technology at his disposal, he could potentially set up bases on the head of a pin on some godforesaken planet -- totally immune to Thanos' sensors, and inaccessible.

Darkseid has the track record of being formidable in all out war. He's humbled the Olympians, he's humbled the Green Lantern Corps, he's easily taken care of Paradise Island. He's waged successful war against New Genesis, conquered Earth and with it the universe itself with pure forces.

Thanos...does not. He finds powerful objects, and wins that way. His technology is lightyears behind the reality warping, sun-splitting arsenal of Apokolips.

His numbers, in both ships and in individual fodder, are way below Darkseid's.

I've given you at least four seperate ways that Darkseid can ressurect not only his own troops and elite, but also use Thanos' troops AGAINST him (Parademons, Cauldron of Rebirth, Omega Effect, Necromina, and ressurection device seen with Lightray). That effectively means inexhausitible troops for Darkseid, and potentially even turning Thanos' guys to his side.

Darkseid has a legion of elite allies, from the above top tier Aggog, to the expert assassin Kanto (with technology capable of taking out countless foes), to the top tier bruiser Kalibak to the potentially above top tier Grayven, to the pantheon busting Granny Goodness to the source banishing/Darkseid impersonating Desaad, to the Legion/Green Lantern/Infinity Man busting Mantis, and on and on and on. Far more loyal than Thanos' are to him.

Thanos releasing his clones is going to be a disaster for him. The only time we've seen them released in such a situation they have done exactly the opposite of everything he has wanted them to do - the Kazar clone, the Celestial Quest clone, the Thor clone, the Infinity Abyss clones -- ALL of them have disobeyed his desires and orders and the only time we've seen more than one at a time produced, they have tried to kill him, to utterly destroy him. He's worked on them for years, and could never get them working properly. Thanos releasing those clones would, in essence, do most of Darkseid's work for him.

Even assuming that he DID, Darkseid STILL has greater forces at his Disposal. The Brimestone Corps gives him a ridiculously large force with minimal input of time and energy and resources, beings capable of creating black holes, immune to telemolecular attack, immune to virtually any other attack.

Thanos' "biggest gun", even assuming working clones, was stunned by Spiderman's webbing for crissakes, bowled over by Adam's soul gem (despite the fact that it had no real soul!), and was ultimately defeated by a bunch of space ships firing at it.

Darkseid's ace in the hole nearly crushed the earth in one hand, interacts with the universe on an entirely different time scale, has warped and dissected the reality of the Source Wall, and ultimately was only defeated by the Anti-Life Equation.

I see the basic battles to go something like this; Thanos' troops, all ordered and ready to attack, are suddenly struck by piercing, uncompromising terror as Desaad's fear machines do their work. What was once a well prepared, orderly, intelligent armada is now in uttery disarray, unable to do effectively do much of anything. Darkseid's own ships, his Parademons, and his Brimestone Corps have easy pickings here.

If it DOES come down to clones, even if you believe them to be an issue (and, again, I can't stress how big of a mistake I think this would be on Thanos' part, one that Thanos himself readily ADMITS is a mistake to the point that he destroys all of his clones), the Brimestone Corps and Promethean Giant would take care of that en masse.

Short story, Darkseid has every advantage here. More experienced in war, greater victories, greater technology, more powerful elite, more intelligent strategies, more intelligent war craftsmen, an established resource base, and a more powerful slave in the Promethean Giant.

Darkseid. Is.