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I feel the Phoenix Respect thread should be redone, since the other was filled with unwanted spam. Special warm thanks goes to Galaticstorm (Original Respect Thread) and Aza Chorn (contribution to Giraud respect thread).

I suppose we shall cover one avatar or character at a time.
But most certainly it will follow this order

Jean
616 Feats
What If

Rachael
616 Feats
What If

Giruad
Respect the Phoenix
Other

The Phoenix Power Set.
Control matter on an atomic level.
Energy manipulator.
Tap into vast energies, denying life for future generations
Manipulate Time
Manipulate Reality
Revive Characters
Controls its own cosmic energy
Vast levels of Telepathy
Telekinetic Godhood
Senses are expanded down to its components (thanks to Telekinetic Godhood)
A certain level of Omniscience, thanks to the Phoenix memories.


As far as collateral damage, we have seen the Phoenix do;
Atomizing an individual
City wide destruction
Planetary destruction.
Solar System Destruction
Galaxy Destruction
Universal Destruction

Its best feat.
Total atomic control of the Universe, through Telekinesis (in the White Hot Room Only).

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What we have here is control on a molecular level.
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Her telepathy is enough to bypass telepathic shielding.
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Phoenix vs. Emma Frost
A decent match, it also shows that the Phoenix can drain energy and the life force.
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Realizing she was being manipulated. She proceeds to mind rape Master Mind. By endowing him with the cosmic knowledge Phoenix carries.
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Here the Dark Phoenix is introduced properly. And proceeds to hand over the X-Mens ass, so they can kiss em. You see a verge of multitasking and array of abilities (Turning of mutant powers, mind sweep, TK assault)
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The Phoenix starts to manifest once again in New X-Man 120. And its during this run, that a new law is established. Now Jean and the Phoenix are truly merged and one of the same.

Note - previously the Phoenix Force, would claim that it would bond with its avatar it chose to. But the avatar had no say, if the Force decided to leave. Now it is shown that Jean willingly can merge back with the Force, regardless if the Force thinks it has left its host. Again this is because now they ware one in the same.

X-Man 120
Jean threatens to tear apart its enemies molecule by molecule.
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New X-Men 128
Two things to look out for (1) Definition of Telekinetic Godhood, (2) Precognition.

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New X-Men 133
Jean stops the bullet in mid air, and can analyze the object to a molecular level.
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New X-Men 139
Remember not even Telepaths of the first order are a match for the Phoenix.
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Phoenix End Song #5
Jean is not just an avatar, Jean has bonded with the Phoenix manifestation. They are one and the same.
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Then we have the weapon Shiar was about to use. A device that creates Black Holes.
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^^ Yet Jean was able to react fast enough to counter the black hole (with the some emotional support.)

Phoenix Warsong
PW, takes right after Phoenix Endsong. Stepford Cuckoos; Celeste,
Mindee, and Phoebe (Now 3 in 1) become the new selected host for the Phoenix Force. However, they are only wielding a mere fragment of the Force itself. None the less, they are still considered a planetary threat.

As it was established preciously. Avatars of the Force, gain natural augmented abilities, along with receiving new abilities and wielding cosmic energies.
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List of new feats thanks to the PF
New TK abilities
Enhanced Strength
Flight
Regeneration
Layering new cells over dead bones
Isolated Time Freeze

Rachael Summer Grey
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Well what can I say about my girl Rachael. In her run with Excalibur we find out that phoenix do in fact wield the power to end cosmos (Statement from Galactus, not challenged by Death, The Watcher, or Roma Excalibur #25). This is later restated in Excalibur volume 1 issue 50, during the fight with Necrom. However you must keep in mind, having the power and wielding it are two completely different aspects. And an being an avatar is not an easy job. You hold much burden on your soldiers. You hold eons of knowledge thanks to the memories of the Phoenix. Various universal laws, and rules that are hard to grasp by mere mortals (referring to Master Mind). Incalculable power, that no mortal is meant to handle regardless of how prepared you think your are (referring to Necrom).

We also find out that there is a learning curve, to grasping the Phoenix Force. This is demonstrated by how Rachael begins from having trouble with dealing with Thor level being - to Obliterating Solar System in the wake of her match against established cosmic characters.

Excalibur volume 1, issue #50
Rachael vs Necrom. Battle wise, good showings.
Asteroids, and moons are thrown at each other. Planetes are one shotted, and ignited to form a sun. Devastation to an entire Solar System.
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Excalibur volume 1, issue #61

Rachael vs Galactus.
An interesting match, we know that the Phoenix Force is well above a Herald of Galactus. What about a Hungry Galactus? Apparently a league above him as well.

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Excalibur 27
Alfie O'Meagan vs. Rachael
For those who do not know, Alfie is a character with vast physchic powers. And the ability to bend reality.

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Excalibur 26
Remember that certain level of Omniscience?
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Excalibur 67
Energy manipulation
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Excalibur 71
Rachael is able to propel herself into the future for a few seconds.
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Excalibur 73
Repairing the ozone layer on a molecular level.
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cool thread

Originally posted by Lumby
cool thread

Ah thanks, I still have a bit more to post. And I still need to hunt down some more comics to complete the respect thread.

These are scans from the most recent Mutant Files. (12-30-2008).
A more complete bio then the one previously posted by myself.

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Excalibur #25
To make long story short, Galactus wants separate the force from the host. But the Avatar needs to submitted. Rachael deems a fight unnecessary, since it will escalate to the destruction of the vary planet its trying to defend.

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However, this comes with negative repercussions. The first visible showings are how the Phoenix is directly tied in with the stars. The stars are dieing, due to the separation of the force and the host. Condemning the cosmos to ultimate extinction, bet that takes a toll in Galactus planet hunting days?

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Note - No where is it said, that the machine kills the Phoenix. It seems to permanently extract the Force from the avatar.

Excalibur 52
We learn that the phoenix manifestation holds memories since the dawn of creation.
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Excalibur 62
After the revelation that, it would expedite energy from future generation only to deny them existence. It remembers how the Force was directly involved with creation, only to view itself as a cosmic parasite in disgust.
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Excalibur 63
Conversation with Death
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Excalibur 64
Total Recall.
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A bit of pep talk with the Phoenix. No longer wishing to be directly tied in with human avatar. It grants Rachael its power, yet ascends back to being a Cosmic Force.
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Doing an amazing job, hopefully this thread wont get bogged down with spam as mine was. In fact i'll bring over some of the content of mine to this one.

In one reality, Jeans attraction to Wolverine lead her to choose him in favour of Cyclops:

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The reality unfolds in much the same way the original one did up until the battle on the Moon for Jeans life:

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His bond with Jean not as long running and strong as the one Jean shared with Cyclops, Wolverine lacks the claming effect required to stop the transformation into Dark Phoenix:

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Jean destroys that universe in a single outburst of power.

Yet another example of Jean easily possessing universal destroying power.

Yet more evidence that the Phoenix Force is the ambient energies of creation from which all power within reality is derived from whether directly or indirectly.

In Dr Strange V2 #24 the group of sorcerers from across the timeline called the Creators backed by the power of the Inbetweener built the Cosmic Wheel Of Change:

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They hoped to use its power to swap their form and essences with those of the stars:

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The reason being that the stars as stated by Apalla (a star in human form) in Marvel are the source for ALL energy in the universe both scientific and mystical:

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In #25 Strange reiterates both the Creators plans and Apallas account saying that stars are the source of all power within reality both mystical and scientific:

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The Creators then use their newfound power to create a new reality:

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Altering the laws of reality to the point that Dr Strange could not use his mystical powers as efficiently as before:

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Good stuff and welcome back GS

Thanks KM.

Good to see it confirmed via the abilities section of the bio that in Here Comes Tomorrow Phoenix did actually manipulate the atoms of the entire universe in the palm of her hand.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanks KM.

Good to see it confirmed via the abilities section of the bio that in Here Comes Tomorrow Phoenix did actually manipulate the atoms of the entire universe in the palm of her hand.

Hush you, or else the non believer will come in and disrupt the flow of this clean and informative respect thread.

Do me a favor If it comes to that, ignore his posts. If you like rebute anything in the old thread.

PS - freaking bio was never needed, the comic itself stated universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanks KM.

Good to see it confirmed via the abilities section of the bio that in Here Comes Tomorrow Phoenix did actually manipulate the atoms of the entire universe in the palm of her hand.

So, it wasn't only orphan (which Mr Master so confidently thought it was), but entire Universe. Was it 616?
I really don't even remember so much about which Universe was it?

Originally posted by Xplosive
So, it wasn't only orphan (which Mr Master so confidently thought it was), but entire Universe. Was it 616?
I really don't even remember so much about which Universe was it?

She amputated the divergent future reality from the main 616 timeline and then materialized 616 in her hand at which point the Phoenix Consciousness referred to her telekinetic control of all of its atoms. (Thats why the updated Jean profile now says that she can manipulate atomic structures on a universal scale, but it also says that her full abilities are unknown. So much for Mr Masters claims that it was a hologram or his second claim that she could only do it in the M'Kraan crystal. She did it with her telekinesis and its officially stated to be within her abilities.) Jean later altered Scotts reaction to Emma.

Big feat, but still, even Cosmic Cube, such as the Beyonder is beyond the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Big feat, but still, even Cosmic Cube, such as the Beyonder is beyond the Phoenix Force.

Pre retcon Beyonder debatably, no current continuity Cube Being however has performed a feat beyond the top Phoenix feats, plus its canon that they are below the Celestials who in turn are below the likes of Phoenix.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Pre retcon Beyonder debatably, no current continuity Cube Being however has performed a feat beyond the top Phoenix feats, plus its canon that they are below the Celestials who in turn are below the likes of Phoenix.

It was never said Celestial are bellow Phoenix Force. Beyonder gave on panel from his own power, PF powers to Rachel and said she could potentially live up to the first Phoenix. She was wielding the full PF powers. It was on panel and in BIOS.
So, feats or no feats, that happened, so considering that, it's already enough that we can give him beyond PF.

And that was Beyonder as Cosmic Cube, so it wasn't Pre-Retcon.

I would like to give PF beyond CC, but what happened on panel and it was also in bios, that cannot be the case.

Originally posted by Xplosive
It was never said Celestial are bellow Phoenix Force. Beyonder gave on panel from his own power, PF powers to Rachel and said she could potentially live up to the first Phoenix. She was wielding the full PF powers. It was on panel and in BIOS.
So, feats or no feats, that happened, so considering that, it's already enough that we can give him beyond PF.

And that was Beyonder as Cosmic Cube, so it wasn't Pre-Retcon.

I would like to give PF beyond CC, but what happened on panel and it was also in bios, that cannot be the case.

It was said the Celestials are below Eternity and Eternity has been said to be below the Phoenix Force.

On panel nowhere was it ever stated that Beyonder gave Rachel the full power of the Phoenix Force. All it said was that he gave her power to accomplish her desires

The bio alone said that. It wasnt confirmed on panel.

Anyway we'll debate this out of this thread if need be, lets not clog up a respect thread.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It was said the Celestials are below Eternity and Eternity has been said to be below the Phoenix Force.

Where? On panel. It can be added in this forum as a something really important about PF.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Anyway we'll debate this out of this thread if need be, lets not clog up a respect thread.

Cool.

The Phoenix Force at a universal level is the Big Bang of a reality

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It is the life force of reality:

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The energies of creation which powers life

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It was reborn in the Big Bang event. It is those energies made sentient.

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The Phoenix Force perpetuates the cycle of a universe. Its rebirth as the Big Bang sees a universe born and it is the power that brings reality to a close in the natural scheme of things:

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Its prime avatar is Jean Grey and she is sometimes used to perform the Forces work:

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The Phoenix Forces involvement in reality is that which powers the process which sees the abstracts replaced by an evolved humanity:

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The Stranger supports this notion put forward by Prosh by visualizing a Phoenix Force engulfed D.N.A chain spiralling from Earth up into space becoming Eternity:

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The result of this process, the evolved humanity are said to replace the fundamental forces and take up their positions in the next universal cycle. Phoenix powering this process is therefore in line with on panel statements attributing the end of the cycle to Phoenix.

Eternity says the Force gives life to everything, when it starts the cycle again after the death of the old one:

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That is why he calls it the "Resurrection Force" he says its the assurance of life.

The Phoenixes connection to the Big Bang and evolution are even stated in other realities.

In Ultimate X-men it is believed to be the Big Bang:

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It is also regarded as a driving force behind evolution:

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Further to this evolution connection, it is said to "burn away what doesnt work"

Here Jean exterminates a race she deems to be evolutionary deadends

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The Phoenix is said to have been made to purify, to eradicate things which could impair the creation cycle it determines.

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The Phoenix usually manifests through death. It is born into reality through death and it exits through death, that is the way of the Phoenix.


Jean Grey became Phoenix after dying on the space shuttle:

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The sum and substance of life hope and dreams. All that is is known to Phoenix.

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The Phoenix interacts with the physical plane from beyond reality via the psyche, while it is the ambient energy of creation, he "Mother of the stars" there is more to it than just what you see in reality

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Phoenix dies for a purpose, she dies for the purpose of being reborn, for that is the way of the Phoenix. It is born in blood, flame and sacrifice, but always returns:

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In the scene as she says that she visualizes the future destruction of New York that Xorn would bring about before killing her.

Rachel brings life to an entire barren world by supercharging the worlds life force which had bonded with Meggan

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In another reality, Phoenix stomps Dormammu in seconds:

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Being a Phoenix an wielder of the Phoenix Force is stated to be the "ultimate mutation" the pinnacle of evolution. A power of a Phoenix is unparallelled telekinesis to give complete and total control over matter and energy at a phenomenal scale. ("Telekinetic Godhood"

Jean as Phoenix perceives things beyond surface level right down to the component parts which compose matter and energy:

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Throughout New X-men Jeans telekinesis consistently grew as the Phoenix within began to manifest once again.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/9/25812553826.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/9/25812553853.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/9/25812553864.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/9/25812553949.jpg

It expands until it becomes more than just an expression of her thoughts physically but until Jeans mind becomes in touch with all her surroundings.

Her telekinesis becomes in sync with matter right down to its component parts:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/812545470.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/812545477.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/812545519.jpg

Jean gains total control of matter down to the molecular level allowing her to generate any energy, shape or create any matter:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29211200572.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29211200559.jpg

Rachel hears a psychic cry from baby Nathan(Cable) and flys off in a burst of energy to rescue him:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13711150962.jpg

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13711150996.jpg

Thinking about her brother, Rachel subconsciously recreated Kitty in his image as she flew off:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13711150978.jpg

The others claim how that that was a facet of the original Phoenix's(Jean) power, to rearrange reality around her to coincide with her conscious and subconscious desires:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13711263068.jpg

Can I post some classic pics of Phoenix.

BTW: this is a good thread; a good phoenix respect thread, best one by far.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Can I post some classic pics of Phoenix.

BTW: this is a good thread; a good phoenix respect thread, best one by far.



Go for it, I have Storm Phoenix. But I am afraid of posting it.

Hmmm I can see the trouble, perhaps if you post just a few...

Originally posted by id369
Hush you, or else the non believer will come in
and disrupt the flow of this clean and informative respect thread.
You might've noticed I never touched your thread my boy,
but don't hink I didn't notice this subtle allusion.
Originally posted by id369
Do me a favor If it comes to that, ignore his posts.
I could care less about the exaggerations and mis-interpretations taking place in here potna,
but now that this biatch put my name into it,
it's time to clear things up.
Originally posted by id369
PS - freaking bio was never needed, the comic itself stated universe.
Freakin bio doesn't prove or change anything.

The Phoenix Force has always been a "Universal power"

did yall just discover that?

But,

in "Here Comes Tomorrow"

Jean did NOT manipulate the atoms of 616 Universe, (in any way, shape or form)

It is clearly stated in the Official Marvel bios,
it was the "Alternate Future of Reality 15104" (the Future of a Timeline)

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5749/n2uo1.th.jpg

"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"
...........................................................................................

Yall can spin it all yall want ... who

You don't want me in your thread, that fine,
but tell those kids to stop using my name in it.

Phoenix never held an entire Universe in her hands and made amputations to it.

With PREP (Seven pages to be exact)

Jean amputated the Alternate Future of Reality 15104.

Reality 15104 is 150 years old,
how can this be compared to 616 which has been expanding for Billions of years?

Reality 15104 is a possible Future of Reality 616.

Reality 15104's Future, NOT 616's ...
is what Jean amputated and Repaired in the WHR atomically.

Jean never did anything to Reality 15104 which manifested in her hands.

(read X-Men #154)

At the end of the issue (#154) Jean goes back in time,
changes Scott's mind about Emma & the X-Men,
this then Alters the possible Future of 616.

So essentially it was Scott's decision that created and Altered 15104, not Jean.

Jean ONLY manipulated Scott's decision,
but the power to alter that Reality laid in Scott's mind.
.........................................................................................


BTW.

Uatu did the same thing with Reality 311 (the year 1602 of the 616 Universe)

Uatu held it in his hands, and then placed that entire Universe within himself.

That entire Universe of course was a Timeline just like Jean's,
and a "Tiny" one at that, because it was a young Reality just like Jean's 15104.

........................................................................................

Uatu holding and placing a Timeline - Reality 311 (the year 1602) inside himself:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8945/utto3.th.jpg

"I place the High Tribunal's gift inside me; A Tiny Universe"



The High Tribunal Watcher didn't just repair this entire Universe uhh, Timeline,
he actually Re-Created it, from nothingness:

........................................................................................


All Timelines are universes, I've never denied that.
But Timelines because of their infancy and untimely existence are tiny/baby universes,
they are universes nontheless,

but there's a huge difference
between a Universe that's been expanding for billions of years,
and a universe that's barely over 150 years old.

This is why Uatu can also hold Timelines in his hands like marbels.

Originally posted by Mr Master
....................................................................................................

Jean still hasn't done a thing to Reality 15104.

In the last Panel, Jean finally does something:

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6217/nxm15422md1.th.jpg

"Live Scott"
....................................................................................................


And what does Jean do?

What did she do when she said, "Live Scott?"

Jean went into the Past, changed Scott's mind about his life, Emma & the X-Men,
and then Scott's decision Alters Reality 15104.


According to Grant Morrison: (the Writer of this arc)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1293/0zc0.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)
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On Panel verification:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1856/nxm15423zs3.th.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3156/nxm15424mt8.th.jpg


I guess ol' MORRISON wasn't lying about the Story HE CREATED.


....................................................................................................
I guess to conclude this debate once and for all, I also noticed this:


After Prep!

Jean took Sublime out of Beast (this disinfected the Future of Reality 15104)

Then Jean teleported to the WHR (Hospital) for Realities.

Jean heals "wounded orphan universe"

How?

By "Symbolically watering it with her heart's blood" ...

What does that mean?


(What it has always meant On Panel in bios and according to Grant Morrison himself)


Jean went into the Past ... forced Scott to stay with the X-Men & Emma,

and ... that's it.

.....................................

Notice the official "Here Comes Tomorrow" Bio literally states ...

... IT WAS Scott's decision that Altered Reality 15104 ...

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6421/pfyu7.th.jpg

"In the modern era of Earth-616 ...

Cyclops took up the responsibility of running the X Institute ...

unknowingly ensuring that at least One apocalyptic Future ...

would Not come to fruition" ...

.................................................................................


That'll be all ... peace & love yall stoned

Great respect thread, kudos to all involved

I wish Mr Masters could just leave it alone, and debate these issues in the proper thread.Is it possible to take out his post? the flow of information is disrupted by his attempt at debating

Originally posted by starlock
Great respect thread, kudos to all involved

I wish Mr Masters could just leave it alone, and debate these issues in the proper thread.Is it possible to take out his post? the flow of information is disrupted by his attempt at debating

Yes indeed. That's the reason this thread was supposed to be REMASTERED. . Good job guys. Mr. Master could u please take your references to the vs. board.

I'll agree with the majority in this situation. Master, leave it for either the vs. forum, your hierarchy thread, or even occasional (but not overwhelming) posts in the "Mythbuster" thread.

Any subsequent posts intended as debate-provoking will be edited.

As for others, if Master has a point, don't try to play off a character as higher than they are. Truth, not exagerration, is always preferable.

To Digi, I never wanted to post in here, I never have,
no offense to the thread but thankfully from what I've seen
no one really pays any mind to it in the vs threads,
everyone pretty much know the real deal.

Anyway,

this is WHY I posted in this thread Digi ...

(I will never post here again, but let me clear my name ... Watch the hypocrisy)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=473316&pagenumber=2
Originally posted by id369

Hush you, or else the non believer will come in
and disrupt the flow of this clean and informative respect thread.

Do me a favor If it comes to that, ignore his posts.

Originally posted by Xplosive

So, it wasn't only orphan (which Mr Master so confidently thought it was),


Originally posted by GalacticStorm

So much for Mr Masters claims that it was a

..........................................................................................................

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=473316&pagenumber=3

Originally posted by id369

Orphan Universe, Mr. M tagged it as Baby Universe. One has to understand,



..........................................................................................................


Quite different now when we see the big picture laid out for us .... ey Digi?


These cats are literally having a discussion about my views openly in This thread,
full of condescension, plus, discrediting my established interpretations.

On this one, you know I'm right ... You don't do that in a "Respect Thread"

You make your opinions known (right or wrong) and keep it at that.
..........................................................................................................

Originally posted by starlock
Great respect thread, kudos to all involved

I wish Mr Masters could just leave it alone,
and debate these issues in the proper thread.
Is it possible to take out his post?
the flow of information is disrupted by his attempt at debating
The usual suspects in the arena of hypocrites never fails us.

Why didn't you make a comment about how it was THEM that started the debate?

All you saw was your opportunity to shine against Mr Master ...
Originally posted by Sundipped
Mr. Master could u please take your references to the vs. board.
Same goes for you homie,
why aren't you telling the thread started not to incite Mr Master
into coming in here and making a point,
Mr Master's NAME is being tossed in a derogatory (fallacious) conversation between spam man, and himself concerning what I Then, POSTED in Here.

So they have the right to amuse the public with My Name in This thread

but I don't get to defend it though?

Right? .... Fascism?

So can we have these posted edited or deleted?

Master, by now you must realize that your heavy-handed and elaborate style ends up offending and/or intimidating many, or at least turning them off from it. I could care less about the validity of your conclusions. From all I've seen, they're very calculated and for the most part correct. But that clearly isn't the issue.

And sure, it runs both ways, so others should stop trying to incite you to debate. But nothing I saw in those posts counts as anything against forum rules, so quit trying to pass the blame when it's clear you've overstepped the bounds of this thread.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/Darkhalen/phoenix17.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/Darkhalen/phoenix3.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/Darkhalen/DarkPhoenix3-1.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/Darkhalen/Whitephoenix.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/Darkhalen/phoenixtransformation.jpg

Just a few, if you like them, then I shall post more...allot more

What happens when Cyclops embedded with the Phoenix Force takes on Darksied?
X-Men/Teen Titans
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6320/xmentitans58vx7.th.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6320/xmentitans58vx7.jpg

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1000/xmentitans59eb3.th.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1000/xmentitans59eb3.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2070/xmentitans60ip3.th.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2070/xmentitans60ip3.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8602/xmentitans61zf5.th.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8602/xmentitans61zf5.jpg

Excalibur: Weird War 3
This special takes place after Excalibur v1 #10
Phoenix is unexpectedly responsible for the unification of two separate realties merging into one. Eventually Phoenix restores cosmic balance segregating those two worlds. Or more like stops the unification, and reverts it back to original state.
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2523/excaliburweirdwariii58kl6.th.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2523/excaliburweirdwariii58kl6.jpg

Yay I got the Dark Phoenix Saga collection today....which means I can post pics of DP in all her terrifying glory.

A question was once asked. Did the Phoenix pre-exsist prior to the current Universe? I had no real backing to say it did. However I came across this bio:

Annihilation - Nova Corps Files
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3541/annihilation6novacorpsfai2.th.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3541/annihilation6novacorpsfai2.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/396/biojn0.jpg

I will let you make your own conclusion

X-Men: Emperor Vulcan #5

Rachel wielding reminiscing energies of the Phoenix Force, fights Gladiator to a stand still.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1156/xmenev5dcp0014ko2.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8537/xmenev5dcp0022bb2.th.jpg

Originally posted by id369
X-Men: Emperor Vulcan #5

Rachel wielding reminiscing energies of the Phoenix Force, fights Gladiator to a stand still.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1156/xmenev5dcp0014ko2.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8537/xmenev5dcp0022bb2.th.jpg

this was awsome do they fight again in the issue

Originally posted by jasofisc
this was awsome do they fight again in the issue

No they dont, thats all the action we get.

Ok this one leaves me a bit, confused. Ultimate Jean/Phoenix either:
A) Restores everything.
B) Turns back time, prior to the decimation lead by the encounter with Apocalypse.

Anyhow it takes place in Ultimate X-Men #93
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2126/ultimatexmen093020021nh6.th.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2126/ultimatexmen093020021nh6.jpg

Originally posted by id369
Ok this one leaves me a bit, confused. Ultimate Jean/Phoenix either:
A) Restores everything.
B) Turns back time, prior to the decimation lead by the encounter with Apocalypse.

Anyhow it takes place in Ultimate X-Men #93
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2126/ultimatexmen093020021nh6.th.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2126/ultimatexmen093020021nh6.jpg

I don't think she turns back time, she resets the world. Restores everything, erases memories from everyone, only X-Men have their memories.

Awesome job everybody

This is quite good.

Here is another good piece of information. It establishes that Jean in the Dark Phoenix arc, only manifested a small portion of her full potential.

While Rachael in her clash with Shadow King, are tearing asunder the boundaries of reality witnessing the forces that can reshape creation.
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5139/xtf3p2627.th.jpg
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5139/xtf3p2627.jpg

Crap I uploaded in the improper size. Here are direct links.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4646/xtf3p01.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3527/xtf3p02.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5139/xtf3p2627.jpg

I love the thread but Iwas wondering is there anyway if it's not too much trouble you could post some feats for Jean sans the phoenix. Because the truth is I'm not up on allthe things Jean has done like when she fought sabertooth or dueled Psylocke and manifested two psi blade, see stuff like that I think would be cool to see if you didn't mind.

Originally posted by celestialbodies
I love the thread but Iwas wondering is there anyway if it's not too much trouble you could post some feats for Jean sans the phoenix. Because the truth is I'm not up on allthe things Jean has done like when she fought sabertooth or dueled Psylocke and manifested two psi blade, see stuff like that I think would be cool to see if you didn't mind. I was thinking about making two separate threads. One for Jean and another for Rachael with no phoenix force. However ATM I am tied up by this project.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=481520

Originally posted by id369
I was thinking about making two separate threads. One for Jean and another for Rachael with no phoenix force. However ATM I am tied up by this project.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=481520



Oh if you do I'm so there because to be honest I know alot I mean alot about the Phoenix but not so much on Jean feats wise which I know she has, it just I've been going from respect thread to respect thread and noticed little minor feats you know like one that comes to mind on Jean for me is her flying in space to help Ms. Marvel. Also if you have pics of Psylocke vs Jean could you post them if only for a second I'd love to see that.

http://i.newsarama.com/preview_images/marvelnew/june09/118_uncanny_x_men_511.jpg

Jean Grey possibly returns?

Originally posted by id369
http://i.newsarama.com/preview_images/marvelnew/june09/118_uncanny_x_men_511.jpg

Jean Grey possibly returns?




Hopefully it's her and not Marvel jerking us around again. But I kinda thought she'd return in a cosmic big bang, though if this IS how she returns i'll be happy all the same.

Originally posted by celestialbodies
Hopefully it's her and not Marvel jerking us around again. But I kinda thought she'd return in a cosmic big bang, though if this IS how she returns i'll be happy all the same. I was hoping she would undo the entire HoM, mutant extinction ordeal. Since its her job, to ensure the progression of evolution.

^i get what you're saying, but that sounds really off....extinction is a fundamental requisite for evolution

anyway, do you have scans of rachel's battle with the guy who is "a living star" from the imperial guard

Hey you should add Jean from UXM 510 I mean it wasn't a feat but it sure was a surprise seeing her help Emma of all people.

Originally posted by id369
http://i.newsarama.com/preview_images/marvelnew/june09/118_uncanny_x_men_511.jpg

Jean Grey possibly returns?

Thought that was Emma.

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_Phoenix1A.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_Phoenix1B.jpg

Phoenix is awesome. I am pretty disgusted by the disrespect she gets on these forums....but I giuess most people haven't read this thread. Great Job.

* here's something...

It seems, as if GS scans are down.

I will try to upload the scans, If I can remember what he posted.

Originally posted by id369
Various time quakes, and reality warps are taking place. Roma herself admits that there are greater forces at work (originating from the 616 reality), and that the immanent collapse of the Multiverse is at had.

She is referring to the Phoenix Force, right?

Originally posted by Xplosive
She is referring to the Phoenix Force, right?

She is referring to Necrom with the Anti Phoenix (a small portion of the Phoenix Force).
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7190/excalibur050p03.th.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7190/excalibur050p03.jpg

Well, no surprise to me at all, but it's good when you see the evidence from comic.
So, only a fraction of Phoenix Force power could collapse a Multiverse, because of what Necrom was doing.
Roma pretty much admitted that only a fraction of Phoenix Force is more powerful than her.

i just need someplace to post because the juvenile members on the Jean Grey board on herohq are babbling like idiots. really.

anyway, is everyone excited for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2? Jean looks amazing.

I dont keep up with Ultimates. Whats the update?

well it's supposedly a continuation of the first game, but i'm not sure how they're gonna work in jean/nightcrawler's deaths (depending) on who you chose, and it's based on Civil War.

Here's a link to the making of Jean from the devs:
http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/en/news_comments/developer_qa_on_the_making_of_jean_grey/

and a vignette of her from the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR5o-QNV6ak

finally here are some gameplay vids featuring her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPIkCGYspZ4
and the final half of this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHFLQAdQqrE

Will X-Man be in this one as well? Becuse I would make up a pure psi team, just for the hell of it.

sadly no, the full roster is on marvelultimatealliance.com

spoilers with characters and some of their movesets and passives here.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=951211&topic=51328744

Hey guys I love the Thread always has but if anyone has any scans of Jean that could be used to update the thread such as from the 80's, 90's and 2000's I think it would be great Jean has alot of feat however most people thinks that w/o the PF she's weak likely attributed to the 90's cartoon I just think some great Jean scans sans the PF could boost Jean greatly.

Uncanny X-Men 134
Humbling Mastermind
http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr129/wrath_2010/dark%20phoenix%20saga/uxm134pg13.jpg

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr129/wrath_2010/dark%20phoenix%20saga/uxm134pg14.jpg


Uncanny X-Men 135
Dark Phoenix destroying a planet.
http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr129/wrath_2010/dark%20phoenix%20saga/uxm135pg13.jpg

Now for some AvX stuff.

ARRIVAL

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/12344734_HoI_01.png

Scott's thoughts on the subject suggest that the Phoenix is the savior to the mutant race. It has come to right the wrongs of Wanda erasing 99.9% of the mutant population. Hope must be prepared to accept the Force and start the rebirth process.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12334779_5dd0c69247c34195ea20c4546f17a750.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12334780_d746e98d07a3ca3199b1e8ca84cdc6a5.jpg

PLANET DESTRUCTION

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/12344884_Pheonix_Force.png

Nova and Terrax have their fight interrupted by the approaching PF. Nova seemingly flees through a wormhole abandoning Terrax, (a high herald) who's obliterated along with the planet. Only his scythe remains.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12334781_2411071-marvel_point_one_1_12_super.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12334782_2411072-marvel_point_one_1_13_super.jpg

The Force destroyed many planets along its journey. So many that aliens were placing bets on which one would be next:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12334784_Wolverine_and_the_X-Men_09_phoenix.jpg

Of course races of beings were wiped out as well as the planets themselves.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/ 12334783_Secret_Avengers_Phoenix_kills_another_pla
net.jpg

PF vs THOR

The continuity of these fights is kinda screwed up & hard to place but here's the order in which they occurred.

Secret Avengers #26

Thor is 1 shot as he and the Avengers attempt to tame it. Mjolnir is ineffective.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344188_Secret_Avengers-Zone__009.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344189_Secret_Avengers-Zone__010.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344190_Secret_Avengers-Zone__011.jpg

Avengers #26

Round 2 has Thor go out and siphon energy from the Force again after Mjolnir had done so on its own accord previously. Now Thor is able to clip one of its wings but still succumbs to another 1 shot. One thing to remember is that Terrax was vaporized and Nova almost killed himself trying to escape in non combat situations with the Force so these Thor showings aren't low by any means.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344191_Avengers-Zone_014.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344192_Avengers-Zone_015.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344193_Avengers-Zone_016.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344194_Avengers-Zone_017.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344195_Avengers-Zone_018.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344196_Avengers-Zone_019.jpg

AvX 4

In this fight we see Thor toss Mjolnir through the Phoenix then it busts a planet.Dispite what Hickman said in a interview, there is no evidence of the hammer making contact nor is there any evidence of the PF being hurt all.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11871948_AVX-Zone_005.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11929840_AVX-Zone_006.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11929845_11871950_AVX-Zone_007.jpg

Later toward the end of the issue, the Force sends Thor crashing into the moon.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11929875_AVX-Zone_023.jpg

Phoenix powered Captain Marvel vs Thor

Secret Avengers #27

This fight is worthy since this "amp" is tied to the Force. Surprisingly, Beast gets 1 shot and gets up in a few pages.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12345423_Avengers-Zone_005-1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12345424_Avengers-Zone_006-1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12345425_Avengers-Zone_007.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12345426_Avengers-Zone_017.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12345427_Avengers-Zone_018.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12345428_Avengers-Zone_019.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12345429_Avengers-Zone_020.jpg

Conformation that Captain Marvel was energized by the Phoenix Force:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12345430_Avengers-Zone_013.jpg

After the Phoenix Force was split into 5 separate components of energy by Tonys Phoenix buster armor, it then inhabited the bodies of the current Phoenix Five.

Right after the power up, Scott blows away the Avengers. Rulk and Thing among this group:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12297765_AvsX-Zone_020.jpg

Since acquiring these powers, abilities have been exhibited such as telekinesis (Colossus levitating nuclear missiles/Namor raising multiple submerged ships), but just after dematerializing Tonys armor, the biggest feat as of yet is Scott stopping a Mjolnir strike with 1 finger before 1 shotting Thor again. Yes you read that correctly. ONE FINGER!

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344197_AvsX-Zone033.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped
After the Phoenix Force was split into 5 separate components of energy by Tonys Phoenix buster armor, it then inhabited the bodies of the current Phoenix Five.

Right after the power up, Scott blows away the Avengers. Rulk and Thing among this group:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12297765_AvsX-Zone_020.jpg

Since acquiring these powers, abilities have been exhibited such as telekinesis (Colossus levitating nuclear missiles/Namor raising multiple submerged ships), but just after dematerializing Tonys armor, the biggest feat as of yet is Scott stopping a Mjolnir strike with 1 finger before 1 shotting Thor again. Yes you read that correctly. ONE FINGER!

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12344197_AvsX-Zone033.jpg

Didn't Scott display telepathy as well , when he was conversing with Xavier at the start of #5 ?

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Yep but it was at the beginning of issue 6.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12348175_A_vs_X-Zone_006.jpg

Scott - "I know why you've come. I can see it in your mind."

Originally posted by Sundipped
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Yep but it was at the beginning of issue 6.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12348175_A_vs_X-Zone_006.jpg

Scott - "I know why you've come. I can see it in your mind."

Sorry , my bad , I confused # 5 with # 6 .

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Secret Avengers # 28

The Force comes back to Hala to reclaim its energy used to empower CM. The Force destroys some Kree ships and thwarts Carol going Binary + Thors' attempt at bfr using a portal. CM relinquishes the power & the Force is on its way. Oh yeah... Thor is 1 shot again:

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AvX #7

PF Magik leads a team against the Avengers. She's owned by Wanda. Clint hits PF Emma with a arrow & pays the ultimate price:

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PF Namor vs Scarlett Witch

Wanda clearly has the upper hand. She even shows manipulation of matter down to sub atomic level by rearranging Namor's face.

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During these battles, Tony collected data from Wandas powers as well as the PF and found they had similar properties. Hence the reason she was so effective.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12643838_AvX-Zone-_005.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12643839_AvX-Zone-_020.jpg

Gladiator vs PF Cyclops/Colossus

Glads sustains a decent fight against a restrained Scott untill PF Colossus basically 1 shots him. Retribution for that shot on the first page??mmm

It was over after that 1 punch.

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^ BTW That was Wolverine and the x men#13

AvX:VS#4

PF Emma Frost vs Thor

This fight just solidifies the power advantage the PF has over Thor. Even after smashing Emmas diamond form he gets stomped.

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AvX#8

PF Namor vs Avengers

Sick of Scott being stagnant in his approach, Namor takes it to the Avengers himself. He takes shots from Iron Fist/Cap/Thing/Rulk/ & Thor (twice). No damage was done at all.

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PF Namor vs Scarlett Witch pt. 2

It's not clear if Wanda forces the Phoenix out of Namor but it ends in a double ko.

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Namors' Phoenix amp leaves and drifts into the remaining four members. They instantly feel the upgrade.

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Logically, this means that the remaining four have more individual power than the original five. Only 1/5 of the power was considered at least low trans level based on feats.

wow team phoenix force ain't no joke they are owning

AvX#9

PF Colossus/Magik vs Avengers

The Avengers set out to rescue those who have been captured and run into Colossus and Magik. Spidey takes a brutal beating from a holding back Piotr.

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It is this holding back of power which brings Magik and Colossus into conflict resulting in the both of them knocking each other out.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12764746_AVX-9Zone-019.jpg

^ Also Iron fist states that Scott ripped into the dimension of K'un-L'un to find Hope after their whereabouts were revealed by Emma. Emma telepathically scaned every mind on Earth to find out btw.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It is this holding back of power which brings Magik and Colossus into conflict resulting in the both of them knocking each other out.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12764746_AVX-9Zone-019.jpg

^ Also Iron fist states that Scott ripped into the dimension of K'un-L'un to find Hope after their whereabouts were revealed by Emma. Emma telepathically scaned every mind on Earth to find out btw.
Not "dimension" . "Dimensions" .

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mmm
I don't think he means it in the plural sense as you do. More like in the sense of this is what happens anytime a (only 1) dimension is ripped. Unless it's some kind of effect that occurs when multiple dimensions are being ripped upon entering in succession and IF has witnessed it before, which I doubt.