evolutionary significance of LESBIAN fetishes/sexual attraction by men

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leonheartmm
seriouosly, this is one thing i have never understood. men generally seem to instinctively{saying it cause of what i generally see in the world and even with myself} be turned on by lesbian pornography/sex etc. even to the point that it seems hotter to fantasize about it for most men than hetrosexual fantasies. what gives? how does lesbian fetishism help us biologically or evolutionary wise? why arent most girls{sum i know, ARE, but most cringe just like men wud} turned on by the thought of gay fantasies? why oh why does such an instinct survive when it leads to no children and hence no evolutionary importance{ and survive BETTER than hetro which DOES lead to children}?

Rogue Jedi
lesbian porn does NOTHING for me.

leonheartmm
^oh you poor POOR man. actualy normal PORN, of any kind other than maybe sum soft hentai does nuthing for me, cause its usually just fake and disgusting. better to watch an average sex scene acted out with taste in a movie, if you really are that frustrated. but that isnt what this thread is about. most men find the concept of lesbians hot, but not of gays. it seems like instinct, i just wanna know why that is?

Storm
Gay erotica is produced for gay men, there is no effort made to portray women playing any role in the sexual activities depicted, so it lacks any power to arouse us. Women also almost never get turned on by gay erotica because it includes sexual acts we feel uncertain about such as oral and anal sex.

Lesbian porn is most often produced for men. Its portrayal of sexual activities is frequently shown as an introduction to heterosexual sex. Hence, it is seen as being a stimulant to male passion.

leonheartmm
^ but you are forgetting the rather large shouju/seinen manga/anime/soft picture industry in japan. practically every girl i know who is into gay erotica is into that kinda of stuff. apparently many are nuts over it.

and maybe i understand being uncertain about anal sex{seeing as it can hurt and that most guys can be inconsiderate assholes when it come to taking care of their female partner in that area-- not all but most. } although sum i know r confy there too, but really, why wud any woman{or any man for that matter} be unconfortable with any type of oral sex? erm confused

also, i am not just saying that much of lesbian porn isnt made for men.{althoug that is a relevant point}
im asking why men get turned on by lesbians in the first place?

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^oh you poor POOR man. actualy normal PORN, of any kind other than maybe sum soft hentai does nuthing for me, cause its usually just fake and disgusting. better to watch an average sex scene acted out with taste in a movie, if you really are that frustrated. but that isnt what this thread is about. most men find the concept of lesbians hot, but not of gays. it seems like instinct, i just wanna know why that is? poor man? because I share different tastes than you?



sure. why not.

leonheartmm
^ no. actually, i just think lesbians are cute, in an adoreable sort of way{i mean REAL lesbians, not those pornstars faking it, eurgh}. not really cause of the sex but just because. girls are gentler like that and it seems sweet.

n ur a lil sad if u cant see that. like a person who doesnt ever find teddy bears cute.

stick out tongue

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ no. actually, i just think lesbians are cute, in an adoreable sort of way{i mean REAL lesbians, not those pornstars faking it, eurgh}. not really cause of the sex but just because. girls are gentler like that and it seems sweet.

n ur a lil sad if u cant see that. like a person who doesnt ever find teddy bears cute.

stick out tongue different strokes for different folks.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
seriouosly, this is one thing i have never understood. men generally seem to instinctively{saying it cause of what i generally see in the world and even with myself} be turned on by lesbian pornography/sex etc. even to the point that it seems hotter to fantasize about it for most men than hetrosexual fantasies. what gives? how does lesbian fetishism help us biologically or evolutionary wise? why arent most girls{sum i know, ARE, but most cringe just like men wud} turned on by the thought of gay fantasies? why oh why does such an instinct survive when it leads to no children and hence no evolutionary importance{ and survive BETTER than hetro which DOES lead to children}?

Are we talking about two butch women going at it, or two hot (bi) women going it at, because the latter is ****ing hot, while the former isn't.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
lesbian porn does NOTHING for me.

There has to be some dudes cock in the picture, for you eh?

*cough* homo *cough*

leonheartmm
were getting off topic here. EVOLUTIONARY importance.

Robtard
Originally posted by Storm
Gay erotica is produced for gay men, there is no effort made to portray women playing any role in the sexual activities depicted, so it lacks any power to arouse us. Women also almost never get turned on by gay erotica because it includes sexual acts we feel uncertain about such as oral and anal sex.

Lesbian porn is most often produced for men. Its portrayal of sexual activities is frequently shown as an introduction to heterosexual sex. Hence, it is seen as being a stimulant to male passion.

WTF... you don't feel uncertain?

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
were getting off topic here. EVOLUTIONARY importance.

Honestly, when you tried to make the connection become evolutionary processes and porn, you failed.

We're sexual beings; we all vary in what gets us aroused, I doubt porn is of any importance to evolution or the survival of the species.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Robtard
Are we talking about two butch women going at it, or two hot (bi) women going it at, because the latter is ****ing hot, while the former isn't.



There has to be some dudes cock in the picture, for you eh?

*cough* homo *cough* well, honestly, if it is two hot asian chicks..........yeah. wink

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well, honestly, if it is two hot asian chicks..........yeah. wink

Don't backpedal now, man-lover.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't backpedal now, man-lover. think about it, how often do you see a lesbian scene with two gorgeous asian women?

Bardock42
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
think about it, how often do you see a lesbian scene with two gorgeous asian women? Depends on how often I google it.

leonheartmm
^ i just MENTIONED porn. and isnt the preference for porn based on your genes{i.e. u probably wont be loving gay porn soon}. it is relevant because we seem to instinctively find lesbianism hot.

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
think about it, how often do you see a lesbian scene with two gorgeous asian women?

1) I have some stored on my comp.
2) What Bardock said, though not "Google" necessarily.
3) Asian girl-girl porn isn't rare, ever since white guys had a fetish for the stereotypical 'submissive asian woman', porn companies have been pumping (excuse the pun) it out.

Bardock42
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ i just MENTIONED porn. and isnt the preference for porn based on your genes{i.e. u probably wont be loving gay porn soon}. it is relevant because we seem to instinctively find lesbianism hot. I like gay porn.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ i just MENTIONED porn. and isnt the preference for porn based on your genes{i.e. u probably wont be loving gay porn soon}. it is relevant because we seem to instinctively find lesbianism hot.

Probably because of the extra female mouth, ass and of course vagina in the picture/scene.

Robtard
Originally posted by Bardock42
I like gay porn.

LoL... <--- I meant that, I did laugh

Storm

leonheartmm
not true, it isnt simply a case of TWO NAKES GIRLS IS BETTER THAN ONE.

the ACT of lesbian love/affection/sex seems to be very alluring to mos men. theyd rather see{generally} two girls doing each other than two girls doing two guys seperately.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
not true, it isnt simply a case of TWO NAKES GIRLS IS BETTER THAN ONE.

the ACT of lesbian love/affection/sex seems to be very alluring to mos men. theyd rather see{generally} two girls doing each other than two girls doing two guys seperately.

...you just answered your own question.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ but you are forgetting the rather large shouju/seinen manga/anime/soft picture industry in japan. practically every girl i know who is into gay erotica is into that kinda of stuff. apparently many are nuts over it.

and maybe i understand being uncertain about anal sex{seeing as it can hurt and that most guys can be inconsiderate assholes when it come to taking care of their female partner in that area-- not all but most. } although sum i know r confy there too, but really, why wud any woman{or any man for that matter} be unconfortable with any type of oral sex? erm confused

also, i am not just saying that much of lesbian porn isnt made for men.{althoug that is a relevant point}
im asking why men get turned on by lesbians in the first place?

Most guys? Have you done some sort of survey?

leonheartmm

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Robtard
Most guys? Have you done some sort of survey?

dont have to do i. the way cultures are evolving an what i see aroung me. most men are not exactly great lovers. ofcourse, most wud say im GAY for thinking that way. basically, cultures where women are thought of as sex objects do not really tend tp produce men who care much about their partners. i see it all around me.

chillmeistergen
This forum is fast turning into one large, evolutionary science discussion.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dont have to do i. the way cultures are evolving an what i see aroung me. most men are not exactly great lovers. ofcourse, most wud say im GAY for thinking that way. basically, cultures where women are thought of as sex objects do not really tend tp produce men who care much about their partners. i see it all around me.

LoL... so in lieu of substantiating your claim, you post a bullshit answer.

leonheartmm
^hmmm, u seem like the type to enjoy putting people down. i can give you a better answer but it is too tiresome and the ambiguity of what YOU consider as credible enough evidence will continue to remain. so there is no point.

and anyway, if i asked you to substantiate the claim that men did not love/care for their wives in ancient arabic tribal societies and concurently, did not care much about women's sexual pleasure. wud you be able to give me a better answer than the one i gave you. not really, without going into a large discussion on prevailing norms, culture as defined by anecdotes/poetry/stories/art etc, and still prevailing views.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^hmmm, u seem like the type to enjoy putting people down. i can give you a better answer but it is too tiresome and the ambiguity of what YOU consider as credible enough evidence will continue to remain. so there is no point.

and anyway, if i asked you to substantiate the claim that men did not love/care for their wives in ancient arabic tribal societies and concurently, did not care much about women's sexual pleasure. wud you be able to give me a better answer than the one i gave you. not really, without going into a large discussion on prevailing norms, culture as defined by anecdotes/poetry/stories/art etc, and still prevailing views.

Oh really, I seem that type now? You know, attributing negative aspects to people is "putting someone down", like you just did to me. It's simple, you made a claim, I asked you to substantiate it; you gave a B.S. answer. Now you're claiming you could, but why would/should you bother, which is more B.S.

I wouldn't make that claim you purpose (ancient Arabic love), because I couldn't substantiate it, see how it works?

leonheartmm
^emperecists annoy me to no end at times. the above claim is also true btw. really, you cant wait for a study to be done on every single oppinion you keep, many of them are apparent and wud be excessively hard to prove in a study because it encompasses so many things that it makes such studies nearly impossible to set up.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^emperecists annoy me to no end at times. the above claim is also true btw. really, you cant wait for a study to be done on every single oppinion you keep, many of them are apparent and wud be excessively hard to prove in a study because it encompasses so many things that it makes such studies nearly impossible to set up.

You said "most men are inconsiderate assholes" and "most men are not great lovers"; I'm just asking for you to substantiate it, as both claims seem odd. If you can't, just say so.

leonheartmm
and what kind of evidence are you expecting from me here? lets start with that. what wud qualify the statement to you? shud i bring up studies done on specific crietria of "assholes" in the world or the us where a representative sample was studied and judged to be ASSHOLES or not. or shud i quote studies done on women and how many of them think that their partners are assholes? lol.

its a general statement and an impression youll get very easily. its a simple fact that a lot of men do not specifically care about or have the knowhow of how to please women. it can be seen in tradition as many women did not get to satisfy themselves sexually before and its only been in the 70s tha the female orgasm was even payed much social attention. heck 50 odd years ago it was very normal to think that they female orgasm didnt even exist and the advice given to women being married was to just lay there and let their husbands have their way with them. active participation in sex, has only come out in the open reletively recently.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and what kind of evidence are you expecting from me here? lets start with that. what wud qualify the statement to you? shud i bring up studies done on specific crietria of "assholes" in the world or the us where a representative sample was studied and judged to be ASSHOLES or not. or shud i quote studies done on women and how many of them think that their partners are assholes? lol.

its a general statement and an impression youll get very easily. its a simple fact that a lot of men do not specifically care about or have the knowhow of how to please women. it can be seen in tradition as many women did not get to satisfy themselves sexually before and its only been in the 70s tha the female orgasm was even payed much social attention. heck 50 odd years ago it was very normal to think that they female orgasm didnt even exist and the advice given to women being married was to just lay there and let their husbands have their way with them. active participation in sex, has only come out in the open reletively recently.

You (not me, not someone else) made the claim; you substantiate it, which part of that can't you grasps? So?

I will, are you sure about that? Now it's a fact, really? I guess I can't expect some sort of proof or logical reasoning from you to back that claim-fact up? Also, we're talking about today, not the past and the work of Alfred Kinsey.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by leonheartmm
were getting off topic here. EVOLUTIONARY importance.

Not everything in life has evolutionary importance.

erm

lord xyz
Originally posted by Storm
Gay erotica is produced for gay men, there is no effort made to portray women playing any role in the sexual activities depicted, so it lacks any power to arouse us. Women also almost never get turned on by gay erotica because it includes sexual acts we feel uncertain about such as oral and anal sex.

Lesbian porn is most often produced for men. Its portrayal of sexual activities is frequently shown as an introduction to heterosexual sex. Hence, it is seen as being a stimulant to male passion. I know lots of women who like gay male sex. However, I also know a lot who are disgusted by it.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Robtard
There has to be some dudes cock in the picture, for you eh?

*cough* homo *cough*

Apparently many men are more aroused by porn that involves at least one other man because it stimulates aggression and competition responses. And from that I would guess lesbian porn would be arousing because there is no competition.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Not everything in life has evolutionary importance.

erm



You mean god is the reason we like lesbians? omg

NASA
if i was a chick i would'nt eating some pu55y at all at least once

Robtard
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Apparently many men are more aroused by porn that involves at least one other man because it stimulates aggression and competition responses. And from that I would guess lesbian porn would be arousing because there is no competition.


...and maybe it's just sexually arousing to see all that pussy together in one place.

Robtard
Originally posted by lord xyz
I know lots of women who like gay male sex. However, I also know a lot who are disgusted by it.

You liar, you don't know "lots" of women.

leonheartmm
it is all the ***** , as i said. men wud rather have two women screwing each other than four who are just naked. men seem to be SPECIFICALLY drawn to lesbian SEX and relationships. and it shud have evolutionary significance, seeing that its such a major desire and is concerned with the most immediet genetic affects and instincts.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it is all the ***** , as i said. men wud rather have two women screwing each other than four who are just naked. men seem to be SPECIFICALLY drawn to lesbian SEX and relationships. and it shud have evolutionary significance, seeing that its such a major desire and is concerned with the most immediet genetic affects and instincts.

Maybe because they know it isn't their penis being inserted while watching straight porn. There's no evolutionary advantage to watching another man inseminate a hot chick.

laughing out loud

leonheartmm
^sigh, your not GETTING IT! being turned on by porn, just like being turned on by a girl in a photon or the figure of a naked female is an indirect RESULT of men being genetically programmed to be turned on by ACTUAL FEMALES! that is why it happens and being actually turned on by femals HAS evolutionary significance. that is why men do not usually get turned on by GAY sex either on sum media or in real life if it happened in front of you. however, both in media and in REAL LIFE men are ENORMOUSLY turned on by lesbian sex. which almost definately has a basis in genetics and fundamental instincts{seeing as to how widesperead and basic it is} . now being turned on by a women being done by you makes sense genetically, but being turned on by two women making out which has no part that YOU can play nor have children with, does NOT make sense on such basic genes{genes which are generally there to serve a purpose} and it certainly doesnt make sense to be MORE turned on by the thought of two women doing it than a man and a woman doing it.

Storm
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^sigh, your not GETTING IT! being turned on by porn, just like being turned on by a girl in a photon or the figure of a naked female is an indirect RESULT of men being genetically programmed to be turned on by ACTUAL FEMALES! that is why it happens and being actually turned on by femals HAS evolutionary significance. that is why men do not usually get turned on by GAY sex either on sum media or in real life if it happened in front of you.
The majority of heterosexual men don' t get aroused by gay porn because they cannot imagine themselves receiving anal sex and/or giving oral sex to another man.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
now being turned on by a women being done by you makes sense genetically, but being turned on by two women making out which has no part that YOU can play nor have children with, does NOT make sense on such basic genes{genes which are generally there to serve a purpose}
Sexual intimacy is not something that only exists to ultimately serve the ends of procreation. There is far more sex for pleasure than there is sex for reproduction.

I know a lot of couples where women are not interested in making porn a part of their sexual relationship, and where their men watch porn alone. Obviously, reproduction will not occur.

Sadako of Girth
Unless that guy is examining porn in the waiting room at the sperm bank, that is...
'Cause you might as well earn a few quid while your at it.... stick out tongue

Shinde Imasu
Well, I don't know if there's something wrong with me or not, but I think it's just plain wrong.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shinde Imasu
Well, I don't know if there's something wrong with me or not, but I think it's just plain wrong.

Yeah there's something wrong with you.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^sigh, your not GETTING IT! being turned on by porn, just like being turned on by a girl in a photon or the figure of a naked female is an indirect RESULT of men being genetically programmed to be turned on by ACTUAL FEMALES! that is why it happens and being actually turned on by femals HAS evolutionary significance. that is why men do not usually get turned on by GAY sex either on sum media or in real life if it happened in front of you. however, both in media and in REAL LIFE men are ENORMOUSLY turned on by lesbian sex. which almost definately has a basis in genetics and fundamental instincts{seeing as to how widesperead and basic it is} . now being turned on by a women being done by you makes sense genetically, but being turned on by two women making out which has no part that YOU can play nor have children with, does NOT make sense on such basic genes{genes which are generally there to serve a purpose} and it certainly doesnt make sense to be MORE turned on by the thought of two women doing it than a man and a woman doing it.

No, I think of all the people in this shit thread, you're the only one not getting it (in more than one way). There is no "EVOLUTIONARY SIGNIFICANCE" in watching porn.

So watch what ever porn you happen to fancy, jerk off; don't worry about evolution.

Bicnarok
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
lesbian porn does NOTHING for me.

me neither.

Its just another perversion like all homosexuality, animal fetish and child abuse IMO.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Bicnarok
me neither.

Its just another perversion like all homosexuality, animal fetish and child abuse IMO. Yeah, like oral.

Robtard
Originally posted by Bicnarok
me neither.

Its just another perversion like all homosexuality, animal fetish and child abuse IMO.

You trolling idiot. So two consenting adults having sex with each other is the equivalent of raping animals or children.

BTW, you having oral or anal sex with a woman, would also be a "perversion", by your p.o.v.

Edit, Bardock-fool beat me to it.

Blax_Hydralisk
Originally posted by leonheartmm
{do remember that im a virgin,

HA! I shall save this little piece for our next debate in the Anime forums..

Also since we're on the sunject, is it wrong to get off more from erotic fiction then pronography?

Devil King
So, I don't understand why the thread is asking about evolution? Are we supposed to argue wheter or not heterosexual men being attracted to lesbian porn is an evolutionary dead end trait, like male homosexuality? Or maybe that straight men being attracted to lesbian porn implies that homosexuality is not somehow genetic?

I don't get it.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Also since we're on the sunject, is it wrong to get off more from erotic fiction then pronography?

I suppose that would depend on the content of fiction.

Storm
So, leonheartmm states that men get aroused by heterosexual porn because they are genetically programmed to procreate which makes heterosexual porn serve an evolutionary significance. This would also be the reason why men are not attracted to gay porn, no procreation is possible.

But on the other hand, men also do get attracted and aroused by lesbian porn while it doesn' t lead to reproduction either and consequently serves no evolutionary significance, which he doesn' t understand.

Right?

Devil King
Originally posted by Storm
So, leonheartmm states that men get aroused by heterosexual porn because they are genetically programmed to procreate which makes heterosexual porn serve an evolutionary significance. This would also be the reason why men are not attracted to gay porn, no procreation is possible.

But on the other hand, men also do get attracted and aroused by lesbian porn while it doesn' t lead to reproduction either and consequently serves no evolutionary significance, which he doesn' t understand.

Right?

But, what about women?

I've known a number of women that honestly find porn repulsive. Any kind of porn.

Robtard
Originally posted by Storm
So, leonheartmm states that men get aroused by heterosexual porn because they are genetically programmed to procreate which makes heterosexual porn serve an evolutionary significance. This would also be the reason why men are not attracted to gay porn, no procreation is possible.

But on the other hand, men also do get attracted and aroused by lesbian porn while it doesn' t lead to reproduction either and consequently serves no evolutionary significance, which he doesn' t understand.

Right?

He has no idea what he's talking about, come on, the subject is porn and how it relates to evolution.

Personally, I get turned on my lesbian porn and want to procreate.

Originally posted by Devil King
But, what about women?

I've known a number of women that honestly find porn repulsive. Any kind of porn.

They're just saying that, to be proper.

My wife prefers watching lesbian porn, as she doesn't find porn-guys in hetero films all that attractive. Sure they're hung, but generally trollish looking.

Devil King
Originally posted by Robtard
They're just saying that, to be proper.

My wife prefers watching lesbian porn, as she doesn't find porn-guys in hetero films all that attractive. Sure they're hung, but generally trollish looking.

How does she feel about gay porn?

Robtard
Originally posted by Devil King
How does she feel about gay porn?

I think she finds the guys to be better looking (face/body), but she isn't aroused by men ****ing each other. Not sure she's seen a lot though, we don't own any.

Devil King
Yeah, but honestly, I've known a number of women that think porn is offensive, and not because they're talking about it in mixed company or trying to be proper. They just don't like it. Not all of them, by any means. In fact the majority of them are willing to admit they like porn.

But my real point is that I don't understand how porn is an aspect of evolutionary traits.

Storm
As far as I' m concerned, there isn' t any.

Robtard
Originally posted by Devil King
Yeah, but honestly, I've known a number of women that think porn is offensive, and not because they're talking about it in mixed company or trying to be proper. They just don't like it. Not all of them, by any means. In fact the majority of them are willing to admit they like porn.

But my real point is that I don't understand how porn is an aspect of evolutionary traits.

Are they Catholics?

There isn't, imo.

Devil King
Originally posted by Robtard
Are they Catholics?

There isn't, imo.

I can't answer that question for all of them, as I don't know. But a few of the ones that find it offensive are catholic, just as are a few of the ones that have no issues with it.

Storm
Not necessarily, they just find it insulting, degrading, see it as a form of virtual unfaithfulness, ...

Schecter
Originally posted by Robtard
I think she finds the guys to be better looking (face/body), but she isn't aroused by men ****ing each other. Not sure she's seen a lot though, we don't own any.


so then she never found your secret stash?

Robtard
Originally posted by Schecter
so then she never found your secret stash?

Multiple accounts and password protection work wonders on a comp.

P.S., thanks for emailing me that link to the triple-anal-gay-orgy clip; you're right, it's definite keeper.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Robtard
You liar, you don't know "lots" of women. Okay, I know a few women and lots of teenage girls.

Robtard
Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, I know a few women and lots of teenage girls.

Liar... you're still saying "lots" in relation to females.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Robtard
Liar... you're still saying "lots" in relation to females. Stop busting his balls we all know he meant to say "I know my mom and fantasized about a lot of women".

Adam_PoE
Ultimately, the desire of a man who enjoys watching two women have sex with another is to participate in the sex act. This fantasy combines his instinct to share his genetic information with multiple women, and his wish to be considered sexually desirable, i.e. that the two women cannot be fully sexually satisfied without his participation.

Schecter
kind of like my desire to shoot my genetic information in backfire's face

JackieCD
Lesbian porn is best, cause it is far more realistic then straight porn.

chillmeistergen
There's far too many people who think that everything has to be explained by evolutionary science and psychology, on this forum. It's really starting to become annoying. I of course agree, that evolution has a huge influence on many things, but please - calm it down. Otherwise, I'm going to make a thread entitled - 'Some like bananas, some like oranges - a possible evolutionary trait!'

Captain King
The lesbian attraction can stem from a couple of sources.


A: A sense of power, a man feels like watching lesbians has sex makes him more manly because more women are involved. This inturn makes him feel like he "won". A common feeling in more primitive times when a man's duty was to shoot his dna in differant women.


B: A more obsessive attraction to females. I can relate to this, seeing men naked disgusts us, we like women SO MUCH that we'd rather see two women ****ing then a man and a woman. Yes, it's harder to immagine ourselves as one of the lesbos, but that's not obviously why we do it. We just like to see women.


I'm sure there's more, but these seem like the two most rational. I don't like to use evolution as a means of explanation because what applied a thousand years ago obviously aint going to mean shit now.

A thousand years ago i wasn't standing erect and probably was eight feet tall. Obviously things change.

chillmeistergen
Humans would have stood erect a thousand years ago.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Humans would have stood erect a thousand years ago.

Porn made it happen faster.

Captain King
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Humans would have stood erect a thousand years ago.
That's not what I overheard your mom say lastnight to you oh snap!

Robtard
Originally posted by JackieCD
Lesbian porn is best, cause it is far more realistic then straight porn.

Go on...

dadudemon
I get what you are saying, leonheartmm.

Most of the men I know like "lesbian action" as well. Also, most of the wives/girlfriends of the dudes I know do not "get their jollies" with their male partners because their male partners are just plain jerks in the bed.

I am not really a porn person because I am a hands on (pardon the pun) type of person. Porn lost its appeal a long time ago because I like the actual touch and feel of a women. When I was a young lad, about 13 or 14, I used to watch porn...it was mostly lesbian porn. I hated seeing another dude naked, not because I was homophobic either. I just get turned off when I see another dude naked. I find naked men gross.

And for the jerks who don't take care of their women in the bed...to be honest, my "fetish" is getting a woman off, seriously. Nothing turns me on more. I eat it like there is not tomorrow...when I am allowed. sad (My wife won't let me do that but once a month because, believe it or not, her sexual fantasy is cunnilingus and she wants it to be special.)

Quark_666
Originally posted by leonheartmm
saying it cause of what i generally see in the world and even with myself

I always knew you were special.

cockablock
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Robtard
Originally posted by dadudemon
I get what you are saying, leonheartmm.

Most of the men I know like "lesbian action" as well. Also, most of the wives/girlfriends of the dudes I know do not "get their jollies" with their male partners because their male partners are just plain jerks in the bed.

I am not really a porn person because I am a hands on (pardon the pun) type of person. Porn lost its appeal a long time ago because I like the actual touch and feel of a women. When I was a young lad, about 13 or 14, I used to watch porn...it was mostly lesbian porn. I hated seeing another dude naked, not because I was homophobic either. I just get turned off when I see another dude naked. I find naked men gross.

And for the jerks who don't take care of their women in the bed...to be honest, my "fetish" is getting a woman off, seriously. Nothing turns me on more. I eat it like there is not tomorrow...when I am allowed. sad (My wife won't let me do that but once a month because, believe it or not, her sexual fantasy is cunnilingus and she wants it to be special.)

Good grief, you're such the 'gay-guy'.

Schecter
Originally posted by cockablock
lesbians and homos are defilers and should all be burned
KMC: home to unsuccessful trolls

cockablock
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Schecter
yes. id kill for just one funny troll. isnt that the whole point? to be funny? you are not funny. you never were. you just suck at life and make people feel sorry for you at best. become an hero.

cockablock
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Schecter
its really not funny. so sad since the cho topic is easy to milk some lulz from and yet you fail epically as per the usual. you take old jokes and suck the funny out of them like fatties do to twinkies. fail. fail. fail.

cockablock
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Schecter
Originally posted by cockablock
like i said, im enjoying myself, so i am the winnar here.

try masturbating. its enjoyable and you have something to show for it in the end...apart from zero funny and public failure.

WrathfulDwarf
Trolls never win.

Continue with the discussion everyone.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Good grief, you're such the 'gay-guy'.

I don't get it, Charlie Brown.

leonheartmm
robtard you friggin RETARD! USE YOUR HEAD A LITTLE BOY!!!! i am simply giving an EXAMPLE of porn. forget porn then simply cause u dont have the brainpower to understand what i am relating to big grin . take the example of REAL people in a SEX CLUB! men wud still like to watch lesbian action. this is about what turns MEN ON, and lesbians turn men on far more than hetro couples. what "I" wanna know is WHY men have an almost INSTINCTUAL preference for being turned on by two women doing it to each other than watching a man and a women do it to each other? it has nothing to do with PORN, i just used porn because it is the easiest example. it is just media demonstrating instincts{i.e. if you wanna see if a guy is straight, check out which magazine he takes into the loo, one of naked girls or one of naked guys} .

yes blax im still a virgin stick out tongue , its cause i dun have much interest in sleeping around randomly, there is only one girl in the world i wanna be with and im tryin my level best to get her. if i had her 5 years ago, i wudv lost my virginity then! but really, sex isnt my first priority in a relationship thas all.

two thumbs up to dadudeman. i agree 100% with the last two paragraphs. that almost exactly like how i am, as far as preferences go. its funny though, i didnt really think there were a lot of guys like that around though. and ill get back to you on my side of the story soon as i get married "sigh, HOPE its soon. heaven knows ive put enough effort into this plan" big grin

peace.

Bardock42
Originally posted by leonheartmm
robtard you friggin RETARD! USE YOUR HEAD A LITTLE BOY!!!! i am simply giving an EXAMPLE of porn. forget porn then simply cause u dont have the brainpower to understand what i am relating to big grin . take the example of REAL people in a SEX CLUB! men wud still like to watch lesbian action. this is about what turns MEN ON, and lesbians turn men on far more than hetro couples. what "I" wanna know is WHY men have an almost INSTINCTUAL preference for being turned on by two women doing it to each other than watching a man and a women do it to each other? it has nothing to do with PORN, i just used porn because it is the easiest example. it is just media demonstrating instincts{i.e. if you wanna see if a guy is straight, check out which magazine he takes into the loo, one of naked girls or one of naked guys} .

yes blax im still a virgin stick out tongue , its cause i dun have much interest in sleeping around randomly, there is only one girl in the world i wanna be with and im tryin my level best to get her. if i had her 5 years ago, i wudv lost my virginity then! but really, sex isnt my first priority in a relationship thas all.

two thumbs up to dadudeman. i agree 100% with the last two paragraphs. that almost exactly like how i am, as far as preferences go. its funny though, i didnt really think there were a lot of guys like that around though. and ill get back to you on my side of the story soon as i get married "sigh, HOPE its soon. heaven knows ive put enough effort into this plan" big grin

peace.

The problem is not everyone agrees with your initial assumption that most men enjoy lesbian porn much more than heterosexual couples having sex. If that's not true everything you derive from it is void. And even if it was true, your implications that it is an evolutionary or genetic predisposition is not the only supported reason either.


And just for the record, I would like to state again, that I really, really dislike dadudemon.

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
robtard you friggin RETARD! USE YOUR HEAD A LITTLE BOY!!!! i am simply giving an EXAMPLE of porn. forget porn then simply cause u dont have the brainpower to understand what i am relating to big grin . take the example of REAL people in a SEX CLUB! men wud still like to watch lesbian action. this is about what turns MEN ON, and lesbians turn men on far more than hetro couples. what "I" wanna know is WHY men have an almost INSTINCTUAL preference for being turned on by two women doing it to each other than watching a man and a women do it to each other? it has nothing to do with PORN, i just used porn because it is the easiest example. it is just media demonstrating instincts{i.e. if you wanna see if a guy is straight, check out which magazine he takes into the loo, one of naked girls or one of naked guys} .

yes blax im still a virgin stick out tongue , its cause i dun have much interest in sleeping around randomly, There is only one girl in the world i wanna be with and im tryin my level best to get her. if i had her 5 years ago, i wudv lost my virginity then! but really, sex isnt my first priority in a relationship thas all.

two thumbs up to dadudeman. i agree 100% with the last two paragraphs. that almost exactly like how i am, as far as preferences go. its funny though, i didnt really think There were a lot of guys like that around though. and ill get back to you on my side of the story soon as i get married "sigh, HOPE its soon. heaven knows ive put enough effort into this plan" big grin

peace.

Yeah, I'm the retard who made this thread based on idiot assumptions and I must also be the retard who previously made claims on how "most men" are both inconsiderate and bad lovers; then couldn't back up my claim with even a shred of sound reasoning.STFU, you idiot.

Oh, REPEAT: There is no "EVOLUTIONARY SIGNIFICANCE" with men liking girl-girl sex.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Not really, the idea of two women having sex would turn you on because usually its two very very sexy woman...you dont think of them having sex with each other but rather with you...

Besides hetro porn is clearly better.

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, I'm the retard who made this thread based on idiot assumptions and I must also be the retard who previously made claims on how "most men" are both inconsiderate and bad lovers; then couldn't back up my claim with even a shred of sound reasoning.STFU, you idiot.

Oh, REPEAT: There is no "EVOLUTIONARY SIGNIFICANCE" with men liking girl-girl sex.

ooh, sum1's on their period. stick out tongue

you didnt read the post AGAIN. and reall, bardock, you can see just how much men prefer lebian porn by the percentage of it available online or in the stores or how much it is present in most media. therefore it{even if you dont agree that men generally like it more than hetro porn} at the very least has instinctual{hence genetic hence possibly evolutionary} imoprtance doesnt it? i just wanted to find out any REASON why that wud be the case.

Bardock42
Not necessarily. The reason that men like lesbian porn dominantly, if at all, could be entirely sociological.

Also, how would I measure how much the ratio from lesbian to straight to gay (male) porn should be for it to be a genetic reference. And do you have numbers on that at all anyways?

leonheartmm
it isnt hard to see is it, put terms like "sex" into any search engine or image search engine and compare the highest hitting results you get.

Bardock42
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it isnt hard to see is it, put terms like "sex" into any search engine or image search engine and compare the highest hitting results you get. That's not scientific at all.

leonheartmm
excuse me, i referred to lesbian porn ONLINE, search engines show results based on the number of hits they get, hence making the ones hit most, come up first, its a good way of finding out whats popular.

Bardock42
Originally posted by leonheartmm
excuse me, i referred to lesbian porn ONLINE, search engines show results based on the number of hits they get, hence making the ones hit most, come up first, its a good way of finding out whats popular.

So, what answers do you get? I put "sex" in and it didn't say anything about lesbian. But it is German google, so, what do you want people to search and what do you expect the returns are?

Grand_Moff_Gav
Is google a scientific tool?

Fishy
Originally posted by leonheartmm
excuse me, i referred to lesbian porn ONLINE, search engines show results based on the number of hits they get, hence making the ones hit most, come up first, its a good way of finding out whats popular.

Firs three hits

1.) Site about sex education
2.) Free sex sites with a lot of links
3.) (Quoted the description)
Sex,Seks,Porno,Animalsex,Gratis Sex,Films,Tieners,Lolita,Mokkels,Trio,Lange geile sexfilms sexy neukende jonge lolita tiener sletjes kutjes sperma teens.

Lot's of free stuff in there, animal sex, teens nothing about lesbians though.... does that mean that Dutch people like seeing free animals having sex with teens? Or does that just mean this really isn't a real scientific method? Because I'm pretty sure I would find lesbians more interesting then watching a teen having sex with a dog....

leonheartmm
no no, english google, the type most of the world uses. type in sex and then count the number of sites that are concerned with lesbian porn as opposed to hetro porn. or rather, go to the most famous porn sites and see how much of it lesbian related material.

alternately, search for lesbian sex and see how many hits to get a general idea.

Fishy
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no no, english google, the type most of the world uses. type in sex and then count the number of sites that are concerned with lesbian porn as opposed to hetro porn. or rather, go to the most famous porn sites and see how much of it lesbian related material.

alternately, search for lesbian sex and see how many hits to get a general idea.

That's bullshit, Google usually transfers people from google.com to their google.theirowncountrycode

At least they do in the Netherlands, so the search results stay for this country. Meaning either your conclusion is wrong or perhaps that Dutch people are genetically different then people in other nations...

Robtard
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it isnt hard to see is it, put terms like "sex" into any search engine or image search engine and compare the highest hitting results you get.

Google'd "Sex":

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sex

Yeah, you sure are an objective scientist...

Edit:

Here are the results for "porn" in Google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=porn

It's not an overflowing cornucopia of lesbian sex sites. Maybe you should try searching for "lesbian porn", to prove your statements.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Bardock42
The problem is not everyone agrees with your initial assumption that most men enjoy lesbian porn much more than heterosexual couples having sex. If that's not true everything you derive from it is void. And even if it was true, your implications that it is an evolutionary or genetic predisposition is not the only supported reason either.

While my agreeing that lesbianism appeals more to the majority of men around me than any other type of porn/situation, it still does not prove that statistically men like lesbianism more than other types of sexual interactions. I just put that out there to show that I have observed the same thing about those around me as leonheartmm did. In fact, it is so common for lesbian porn/situations to be more appealing to those men around me that I have a hard time seeing it any other way. Hasn't anyone heard the saying, "everyone likes a little girl on girl action"?

That does not change the fact that I, nor leonheartmm, can claim that the majority of men prefer lesbian porn/situations over heterosexual interactions; it is simply illogical to make a claim. There needs to be a poll done on that from many locations. (Should the poll ask if the person likes lesbian porn/situations over hetero porn/situations or should it ask for the person's favorite type of porn/sexual situation?)


Originally posted by Bardock42
And just for the record, I would like to state again, that I really, really dislike dadudemon.

NO! cry Now who am I supposed to room with when I go to Germany?

123KID
so leon was shot down ?
what else is new
anyway lesbian sex is simply sociological as explained a few pages back
for one its common for men who grow up to be surrounded by other men who insist that lesbianism is sexy
these impressionable men in puberty are pretty much convinced through hormones and environment that girl-on-girl is HAWT HAW HAWT
which it really isn't....
lick lick here a lick lick there
B-O-R-I-N-G
they can't do anything else
imen are extremely ugly so i try to avoid hetero sex
compromise ? something with no men but more than the monotonous motions of standard lesbian sex

conclusion:
strapons for the win

leonheartmm
^ it isnt just sociological as i explained, and this IS getting dangerously close{if it hasnt FLOWN to that boundry altogether} to all out bashing.

Bardock42
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ it isnt just sociological as i explained, and this IS getting dangerously close{if it hasnt FLOWN to that boundry altogether} to all out bashing. How was that bashing and you didn't prove anything.

leonheartmm
^sigh, it alone isnt bashing. but he has been doing the same thing over and over again in the relegion and manga/anime thread along with taking up rather rude debating tactics in the vig game versus and vig game respect thread. infact he followed me here int the general discussion forum to prove the point.

Bardock42
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^sigh, it alone isnt bashing. but he has been doing the same thing over and over again in the relegion and manga/anime thread along with taking up rather rude debating tactics in the vig game versus and vig game respect thread. infact he followed me here int the general discussion forum to prove the point. But he isn't bashing you. You discuss this topic in other forums?

leonheartmm
^no, other topics, and he apparently got frustrated and angry for my continued argumentation in the vid game forum about certain characters from the xenosaga series and started being rude and followed me here. alone it isnt bashing but following people areound and targetting them specifically wud be considered bashing, no?

Bardock42
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^no, other topics, and he apparently got frustrated and angry for my continued argumentation in the vid game forum about certain characters from the xenosaga series and started being rude and followed me here. alone it isnt bashing but following people areound and targetting them specifically wud be considered bashing, no? You are right, no, it wouldn't.

dadudemon
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^no, other topics, and he apparently got frustrated and angry for my continued argumentation in the vid game forum about certain characters from the xenosaga series and started being rude and followed me here. alone it isnt bashing but following people areound and targetting them specifically wud be considered bashing, no?

He is stalking you...trolling, maybe.

leonheartmm
bump

KidRock
There would be no reason for our species to sorta "phase out" the homosexuality gene. Reproduction is not necessary for our individual survival. As a whole it is, but not the individual.

For example, I don't need to reproduce and have kids to survive in this world. If that were the case, where I needed to have sex and reproduce or I would die..then maybe the trait would have died off at some point during some evolutionary stage.

I think the lesbian fetish is played up quite a bit though, it would turn me on to watch it, but it isn't my porn of choice lol.

lord xyz
Originally posted by leonheartmm
seriouosly, this is one thing i have never understood. men generally seem to instinctively{saying it cause of what i generally see in the world and even with myself} be turned on by lesbian pornography/sex etc. even to the point that it seems hotter to fantasize about it for most men than hetrosexual fantasies. what gives? how does lesbian fetishism help us biologically or evolutionary wise? why arent most girls{sum i know, ARE, but most cringe just like men wud} turned on by the thought of gay fantasies? why oh why does such an instinct survive when it leads to no children and hence no evolutionary importance{ and survive BETTER than hetro which DOES lead to children}? What turns me and probably most men on, is a woman who wants sex. Here you have two women who want sex. Then again, fat lesbians would turn on a very small population.

The way I see it, men and women are attracted to the other sex...having sex. Women are most likely the weird ones for not liking it, due to the whole history of opression to women, as well as state law etc banning homosexuality simultaneously neglecting women.

Women are more likely to kiss eachother, and thinking of same sex relationships is deemed un-lady like.

Our culture's dumb. All sex is sexy.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by KidRock
There would be no reason for our species to sorta "phase out" the homosexuality gene. Reproduction is not necessary for our individual survival. As a whole it is, but not the individual.

For example, I don't need to reproduce and have kids to survive in this world. If that were the case, where I needed to have sex and reproduce or I would die..then maybe the trait would have died off at some point during some evolutionary stage.

Evolution doesn't give a damn about the individual.

KidRock
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Evolution doesn't give a damn about the individual.

I agree.

Also homosexuals can and do procreate, so I don't see why evolution would phase them out.

inimalist
all of this assumes that homosexuality is a heredity trait passed through genes.

There is much evidence now that suggests it may be developmental, and a reaction to certain horomones (or the mother's immune system, i dont remember) in the womb.

if this is the case, homosexuality might be seen then as a consequence to some other previous evolutionary adaptation (ie, immune system attacks "foreign" bodies, considers the baby boy foreign).

I guess this is more related to Sym and KidRock rather than the OP

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist
all of this assumes that homosexuality is a heredity trait passed through genes.

There is much evidence now that suggests it may be developmental, and a reaction to certain horomones (or the mother's immune system, i dont remember) in the womb.

if this is the case, homosexuality might be seen then as a consequence to some other previous evolutionary adaptation (ie, immune system attacks "foreign" bodies, considers the baby boy foreign).

I guess this is more related to Sym and KidRock rather than the OP

Which makes more sense , since the "gay gene" has yet to be found.

Either way, the religious crowd won't like it either, as it stills shows that gay people are homosexual due to influences beyond their control, ie a man didn't one day wake up one day and willfully chose to love the cock.

inimalist
Originally posted by Robtard
Which makes more sense , since the "gay gene" has yet to be found.

very few things, especially when dealing with behaviour, are the result of a single gene. Stuff as complex as sexual preference is almost certainly not controlled by a "gene" or "genes", but patterns of genetic expression.

In the hormone theory, there would still be some sort of selection process against having homosexual children, but it would be far less than if it were in the genes specifically. A gay gene can be selected against very easily, an expression of hormones/genes/environment that could potentially be recreated in any womb (not just one with specific genes in the mother) would be much more difficult, and probably would need something more "detrimental" than homosexuality to cause such a selection.

Originally posted by Robtard
Either way, the religious crowd won't like it either, as it stills shows that gay people are homosexual due to influences beyond their control, ie a man didn't one day wake up one day and willfully chose to love the cock.

**** the religious crowd

thats something I'd like to select against

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by inimalist
**** the religious crowd

thats something I'd like to select against

But you can't! Where's your vaunted Vulcan logic now?

inimalist
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But you can't! Where's your vaunted Vulcan logic now?

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!

Akid
I have read in the past about how men enjoy lesbian porn and women also do also, but the idea that men prefer lesbianism is, I think, inaccurate and not gonna be proved any time soon.
I think that it's quite fair to try to understand such a thing through the scope of evolutionary psych. I mean, it's a kind of psychology, and psych is indeed man's pursuit of knowledge in terms of how we work. Is it right? well... that's a much deeper issue which I do not think applies here.
Ok more to the subject. at hand! I feel that, as expressed earlier, it seems that there would (as with most things we want) be more than one reason for this 'obsession (for lack of a better term)'
Here are some that make sense to me, assuming that man's main goal in life is to pass on his genetics.
1. More = better. Porn itself is used by many as a tool for fantasy. More women just means more chance to pass on the little swimmers.
2. More men = more competition. While it can be good for guys to have a dude in the scene, perhaps to allow for superior fantasy, it also means, psychologically more men present, which means more competition for the woman. Some guys don't mind, but others don't like that, so having a woman replace the man is a good thing.
3. Maybe it's a control thing. Having women do what we want them to do makes us feel like we are in control. If there was only one lesbo video out there, no one would give a damn. If there was only one 'move' girls could do, it would suck, obviously. Thats why a lot of guys don't watch lesbian stuff or seek out girls who like girls: just not enough commands can be issued (this is a bit of a stretch, I know) Also, I figure that girl/girl seems more female (duh) to guys, and that means more potential for the dude to be in charge, so that excites the guy. Guys love to be in charge, and having Bruce (or any other guy...) may threaten that.
I'm sure there's a plethora of other reasons, and I'll see if I can think up more later.

The arguement that fat chicks going at it doesn't arouse guys therefore lesbian stuff is dumb is... dumb. By that logic, you would be down to watch a guy bang a fat girl, and that would be great fun! No! Porn is fantasy. It's a way of tricking ourselves into feeling like we are involved in sex in order to get sexual release, so of course we're gonna want the most attractive characters. By my reasoning, porn guys aren't always the most... lovely looking fellows is just a testiment to that idea: guys want to be able to, on some level, replace the guy involved, thus: ugly man. We feel superior to him! His cock is large for the following reason: The woman is better stimulated, meaning she enjoys it more meaning we have done a better job smile Hope all that makes sense and someone actually reads all that...

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Akid
1. More = better. Porn itself is used by many as a tool for fantasy. More women just means more chance to pass on the little swimmers.

That suggests either a rape fantasy (which are surprisingly common) or that men in fact want bi-sexuals rather than lesbians.

Originally posted by Akid
2. More men = more competition. While it can be good for guys to have a dude in the scene, perhaps to allow for superior fantasy, it also means, psychologically more men present, which means more competition for the woman. Some guys don't mind, but others don't like that, so having a woman replace the man is a good thing.

I recall a study that suggested men are more pumped up by the presence of a man in the scene. They researchers suggested this was due to the reflex to compete increasing testosterone, thus increasing sex drive.

Personally I just don't like genitals (from either sex).

Originally posted by Akid
3. Maybe it's a control thing. Having women do what we want them to do makes us feel like we are in control. If there was only one lesbo video out there, no one would give a damn. If there was only one 'move' girls could do, it would suck, obviously. Thats why a lot of guys don't watch lesbian stuff or seek out girls who like girls: just not enough commands can be issued (this is a bit of a stretch, I know) Also, I figure that girl/girl seems more female (duh) to guys, and that means more potential for the dude to be in charge, so that excites the guy. Guys love to be in charge, and having Bruce (or any other guy...) may threaten that.

Of course this also suggests that men want bi-sexuals over lesbians.

Akid
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That suggests either a rape fantasy (which are surprisingly common) or that men in fact want bi-sexuals rather than lesbians.



I recall a study that suggested men are more pumped up by the presence of a man in the scene. They researchers suggested this was due to the reflex to compete increasing testosterone, thus increasing sex drive.

Personally I just don't like genitals (from either sex).



Of course this also suggests that men want bi-sexuals over lesbians.

(I don't know how to do the sexy multi-response thing)

I think you make an excellent point: Men don't want lesbians, they want bisexuals. Of course! I think, logically, that is a very important thing: Men do not enjoy lesbian porn because 'ya! Women getting off on each other!' It may seem that way, but it's more likely to be rooted in the man's own personal sexuality. He wants to be involved. It's more like a pretend threesome than anything, I'd say.
Also, the rape fantasy thing may be a good point. It's probably right, too. Did you know that rape fantasy is the most common fantasy among women? Wierd to a lot of guys, but less wierd when you consider that women are, by nature, submissive (generally, and this is deep psychology. I'm not saying women can't do stuff for themselves or anything like that) Well, men are the opposite: they like being in control. Men dream to be leaders, the dream to win, the dream to be in charge. A rape fantasy, really, I think, is an extreme version of that. Seems crazy, but think about different cultures: men are in charge. In many cultures, women are literally sold (I don't know if that still happens...) So a rape fantasy is a kind of thing that most guys wouldn't even recongize in themselves because it's just too taboo.
I think it's important to recognize that every guy is different; therefore, every guy's reason for their sexual preferences will vary accordingly. I, for example, have, because of stuff in my life, am very muted in terms of my aggression, and am naturally not an aggresive guy. By the logic I outlined before, it makes sense that I prefer 'lesbian' porn, which I do. I don't like other guys in general. The study about guys prefering other guys in porn seems to make sense, and it's a study, so as much as I'd love to just say it's wrong, I won't. Instead I'll say that it can't cover all men, that studies do tend to be scewed, and that of course loads of men prefer hetero porn, or else it would all be straight, wouldn't it? It's all about whom. I figure that most guys (I have no way of knowing this statistically) watch both kinds of porn. I only do lesbo, if I do at all. I'm willing to bet that if you ask any guy who's less 'manly' (google what makes a guy manly if you want) he will say that he prefers lesbian. That's not scientific, it just makes sense to me based on the science I know.

AngryManatee
Originally posted by Robtard
Probably because of the extra female mouth, ass and of course vagina in the picture/scene.

Or the imagining of one's self joining in on the action. rolling on floor laughing

Akid
^Both. Depending on the guy. Seriously, though, folks. Who doesn't want another lady in the scene? If one is good to see, why not two? It's the same as settling for one beer, when you could have two beers mixing in the same damn glass!!

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