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It's actually pretty cool. It's a new generation of TF's and well Ultra Magnus is a rugged Autobot leader. Cool! Starscream is in it, and he sounds raspy, old school, not to mention he's still treacherous. I love it. Black Arachnia is also in it, too cool.

So far, the only old school G1 character are:

Megatron, Ratchet and Ultra Magnus.

Although Prime, Starscream and Bumblebee are in it, they seem to have no memory of G1 events, and well, they seem to be newer 'bots who are fairly young.

In other words:

"New continuity with little/no respect/regard to established canon."



Black Arachnia... Pahhh!

Not boding well, to mine ears.

didn't like it that much, but it's more tolerable than armada, IMO. the new prime seems to be a little b!tch. he's got the moves but they showed the pussiest side of prime possible. he has no gun. al he has is an axe and a gappling hook. and why is he a construction worker?

megatron is twice the size of prime. strarscream was WAY old skool. he was probably the best robot on this new show. although i have to say that megatron was pretty menacing.

big changes in the story line. no canon whatsoever. telatron 1 landed on some lake in detroit instead of the volcano in G1. seems like reboot to a seemingly perfect cartoon icon. there are some cues from the movies, most notably megatron's voice.

go see it. it's very watchable, but unlikable if you seen and followed the old skool cartoons.

Yeah, Starscream was amazing. I'm watchin' this f*ckin' cartoon just to see if Ultra Magnus, the "real" Optimus Prime, or Nemesis Prime comes out.

....of a car crusher.

Cause thats how these new renderings look.

Ironhide looks like "Christine" did at the end of the movie.

the mouths look too human. and the retractable "battle masks" that the movie set precedent on looks cool, but the animated prime should always have that on, no questions asked. even prowl looked badass with his battle mask and looked girly without it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
....of a car crusher.

Cause thats how these new renderings look.

Ironhide looks like "Christine" did at the end of the movie.

Ironhide's not in the cartoon.

Ahhhh they must've misreported that/misattributed the name.

Well. That big fridge looking van.

(*edit* Theyve changed it to "Bulkhead"
maybe Ironhide just hasnt been introduced yet.

They look like a porn mag for cubism fetishists in any case.
http://www.seibertron.com/toys/gallery.php?id=1355&size=0&start=0

Think Ironhide was his project name.

I actually liked transformers Armada.. Energon not so much, beause Armada was kind of liek the one that Grew up watching. That and Beast Wars.

You poor soul...!

*Prays that BH finds the original box sets of G1*

poor soul indeed.

any other prime pales in comparison to G1 prime. that dude was teh sh!te!!!111!!!

is it just me being disturbed by the fact that they are actually animated while talking in car mode? on the G1 toons, the lights got dimmer and brighter as they speak in car mode, not move altogether...

I'm watching it as we speak , I am highly impressed. The writers and directors know how to please the older fanabse. I've already counted three references to G1.

1. The intro 'history' video

2. The transformation noises

3. The extending airlock thing , exactly the same way the decepticons boarded the arc in G1

Yeah.

i thougt teletron 1 was boarded through a hull breach in this new cartoon...

But the boarding chute was still seen.

I just saw it on youtube.

And while G1 is STILL king for me, overall, much better than I had initially suspected and better than the movie last year..

My opinion of the post-Pokemon design feel still is unchanged.
Bendy organic looking metal just doesnt work for me.
Yes Prime is an irritating wussy in this (The voice sounds like Casey Casem who did Cliffjumper's voice in G1 which is cool though) and why the Autobots arent armed with anything other than melee weapons is beyond me... (Maybe they are toy gimmicks)

Its cool that they have tried to make the central MacGuffin more Matrix like, but they STILL have to call it "Allspark(tm)"...
And the transforms largely were cool, but when they stared to go into slow mo 20 mins long Pokemon battle backing style transforms, then my mind pukes blood all over it's nice new trousers.

And I thought that the reawakening from stasis/monster things a load of old bollocks, but this arrival version was way more G1-ey than Bayformers.

I liked the character design a lot better than I thought I would.
The heads are all recognisable... Bumblebee looks like he was based on Classics Bumblebee (certainly in alt. mode) Starscream rocked.
Megatron came WAY better than Bay's "Xmas tree of GRRRRR!" as the cold, intelligent, calculating Megatron that we all knew before.

The humour was a big strength, I thought, with a well paced and funny warm eighties TFS feel to a lot of it and the human characters for once weren't too irritating for my tastes.

And the cyber-detroit thing was cool too.

Anyone else see Spike, Carly and Daniel....? That rocked.

So this is me admitting to being surprised by this and admitting also to having enjoyed it.

I believe the Melee weapons thing is to due with TV censors. One minute your allowed guns but not blades, the next it's blades but not guns ect.

Starscream and Megatron seemed to get away with it...
Them weirdos.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You poor soul...!

*Prays that BH finds the original box sets of G1*



Look man. Beast Wars rocked, m'kay!

And it was like.. real violence. None of this wussy melee crap. The Decepticons were rocking real machine guns and rockets and stuff, and people were literally getting blown to pieces.

well supposedly waspinator is set to make an appearance in this new series so you may still get to see him blown to pieces

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Look man. Beast Wars rocked, m'kay!

And it was like.. real violence. None of this wussy melee crap. The Decepticons were rocking real machine guns and rockets and stuff, and people were literally getting blown to pieces.

LOL Fair play about the Melee thing. G1 (comics) still ruled on all them fronts.

But truth be known, I had enjoyed odd episodes of BW..
(And at least it recognised established canon.)

And I definitely prefer it to everything past Energon/Armada.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
LOL Fair play about the Melee thing. G1 (comics) still ruled on all them fronts.

But truth be known, I had enjoyed odd episodes of BW..
(And at least it recognised established canon.)

And I definitely prefer it to everything past Energon/Armada.

Bw was awesome in its canon refferences, but its short budget was kinda irksome.

Yep it would be cool to see em re-rendered.

this looks interesting, they are realy remaking all those great shows, first batman now transformers, and coming out soon, spiderman and x-men. anyway pretty wierd/cool animation. and the inshow reason they dont have guns is because they are repair bots, and considering the fact that megatron has a gun and cartoon network isnt known for having tight cencorship it must just be a creator's idea

Originally posted by The big EH
this looks interesting, they are realy remaking all those great shows, first batman now transformers, and coming out soon, spiderman and x-men. anyway pretty wierd/cool animation. and the inshow reason they dont have guns is because they are repair bots, and considering the fact that megatron has a gun and cartoon network isnt known for having tight cencorship it must just be a creator's idea

Plus Naruto repopularised CQC.

I've just watched Episode Two ( Home Is Where The Spark Is) , and let me tell you. IT. KICKS. ASS.

The episode starts with The Angry Archer (A big cornball with a crappy 16th century British accent, hell I'M British and I think it's annoying) stealing from a bank (possibly a museum) , Optimus makes him his ***** and we cut to Intro. After the Intro we focus on Prowl for a while (Whose being even more Ninja then usual, taking a disturbing amount of interest in watching a small bird get nearly eaten) he gets caught by a bunch of kids who treat him like a celebrity. Prowl flees , his peace disturbed.

Megatron is accidentally revived by Sari's key, and after bemoaning his bodiless state and raging at Starscream/Autobots he decides to do something about it. He hooks himself up to a 'pocket-bot' and infiltrates the Autobts 'secret lair' where Sari is having a slumber party with the 'bots. Megatron then takes control of the automobile workline and attempts to kill them.

As expected Megatron is denied his victory and gets pissed of.

Prowl is awesome, dude is just Ninja enough to get my attention.

Originally posted by The big EH
this looks interesting, they are realy remaking all those great shows, first batman now transformers, and coming out soon, spiderman and x-men. anyway pretty wierd/cool animation. and the inshow reason they dont have guns is because they are repair bots, and considering the fact that megatron has a gun and cartoon network isnt known for having tight cencorship it must just be a creator's idea

Ah! Yes! Of course! That was indeed explained in-universe as you say.
I forgot the whole repair bots thing.
Hopefully they'll get their guns later on, then.
That grappling hook trick'll only be entertaining for so long...
But how about the axe...? That didnt seem very "repairs enabling".

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But how about the axe...? That didnt seem very "repairs enabling".

An axe is a tool man. Firefighters carry them, they're not exactly soldiers.

Fair point.

Just didnt seem very repairing-of-micro-electronics freindly to me, but your explaination does make sense.

This show is surprisingly good.


Starscream kicks ass for once.



And, personally, I think this is the best Megatron incarnation ever.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
This show is surprisingly good.


Starscream kicks ass for once.



And, personally, I think this is the best Megatron incarnation ever.

I'm hesitant to say 'The best' , but he certainly is leaps and bounds above the competition.

Badass Prime for the win!

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Poor Poor soul.

Yeah, Grimlock is amazing in this episode.

Holy Generation 1, Batman!



Megatron has gotten his new body.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Holy Generation 1, Batman!



Megatron has gotten his new body.

And Pwned Sumdac.

'Screamers one-shot TKO of Bumblebee was also awesome.

Im not impressed with the Dinobot creation story there.
I hated the braindead cartoon genesis and it looks like they've followed suit there.
Shoulda gone with the inifinitely cooler G1 comic type origin.

Could have introduced Shockwave that way too.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Im not impressed with the Dinobot creation story there.
I hated the braindead cartoon genesis and it looks like they've followed suit there.
Shoulda gone with the inifinitely cooler G1 comic type origin.

Could have introduced Shockwave that way too.

More people enjoy dumb grimlock then Smart!dumb grimlock.

lolz Fair play

I see what you mean.
"The most plentiful ingredient in the universe is stupidity" and all that.
The fox news people are still in business for the same reason.

I'm sure he'll get smarter.

First off, the new transformers cartoon sucks ass, they should of made it for a more mature audiance, with good japanese animation,
and as for the dinobots they have always sucked ass.

Who else thinks this version of Megatron is superior to the old one?


Nothing wrong with the classic version, voiced by Welker, but Megatron in Transformers Animated just seems far more menacing. Corey Burton does a great job.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Who else thinks this version of Megatron is superior to the old one?


Nothing wrong with the classic version, voiced by Welker, but Megatron in Transformers Animated just seems far more menacing. Corey Burton does a great job.

Yup.

Welker did a fine job, but his 'cons were reduced to the three stooges after the pilot, Megs however is a MONSTER in this.

Pretty cool, he's been re-introduced.

havent seen it but i just looked at the commerical on youtube and well all i got to say is why did they make this 2 thumbs down

Originally posted by HollywoodGurl
havent seen it but i just looked at the commerical on youtube and well all i got to say is why did they make this 2 thumbs down

I still prefer Frank Welker.

But I got to say, thats the definite second best characterisation I've heard.

Starting to realise with every episode I see that this is definitely pre-school stuff and its just not for me really.
I wont forgive what they did to Soundwave, and the character designs and animation style are modernised garbage to mine eyes.

I don't hate it, per say, but its just like an extra kiddified kids version of the old cartoon. Its nice to see though, the easter eggs of G1ness that pop up though... Daniel... Kremzeek on the monitor at one point etc...

It is meant to be a film adapation of some sorts. Kids seems to really like it, I however, am getting my G1 kicks from the new comics being released.

The dreamwavey type malarkies..?

Hopefully.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I still prefer Frank Welker.

But I got to say, thats the definite second best characterisation I've heard.

Starting to realise with every episode I see that this is definitely pre-school stuff and its just not for me really.
I wont forgive what they did to Soundwave, and the character designs and animation style are modernised garbage to mine eyes.

I don't hate it, per say, but its just like an extra kiddified kids version of the old cartoon. Its nice to see though, the easter eggs of G1ness that pop up though... Daniel... Kremzeek on the monitor at one point etc...

*shakes head*

Sadako, you sound really intolerant and ignorant right now. You know that ?

Now now, some of us rather embrave G1, as it layed out everything we know and love.

it is a travesty what this cartoon has done to our favorite bots, but it's not meant for us. it's meant for a new generation of fans.

Some people can't stress that enough.

Originally posted by Scythe
Now now, some of us rather embrave G1, as it layed out everything we know and love.

it is a travesty what this cartoon has done to our favorite bots, but it's not meant for us. it's meant for a new generation of fans.

Some people can't stress that enough.

I understand your feelings, however you must admit, while G1 was entertaining at the time (far above the other Children's Cartoons at the time) it still was rather simplistic. Not that that's a bad thing, but I prefer the more complex feel Animated has. I will admit however I find some of the human designs .....lacking. Not Americanime per-say but it has that annoying 'stretched' feeling to it.

Now, please explain to me what this 'travesty' is. Is it Prowl being a Ninja ? Or Ratchet being Ratchet/Kup ? Because (outside of the comics) the two had rather cut-and-dry personalities IMHO.

Originally posted by grey fox
Now, please explain to me what this 'travesty' is. Is it Prowl being a Ninja ? Or Ratchet being Ratchet/Kup ? Because (outside of the comics) the two had rather cut-and-dry personalities IMHO.

No, the characters are fleshed out pretty well imo, the "travesty" I was speaking of was their look. Coming from a G1 aspect, which I am slowly learning to let go, is the look of the bots. I'm just not digging it. I hated the Teen Titans for their, as you stated, "stretchy" look, but now that it's overcome my favorite Bots, it well..... sad to say, pissed me off alittle. It takes getting used to, but please! Starscream and Optims Prime's neck should not be thicker than their waist!

Yeah just caught several of these episodes and must say I don't care for it.About the only good thing I've seen so far from it has been Megatron and Starscream and thats not really enough for me to like it.Really one of my least favorite of the TF series.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I still prefer Frank Welker.

But I got to say, thats the definite second best characterisation I've heard.

Starting to realise with every episode I see that this is definitely pre-school stuff and its just not for me really.
I wont forgive what they did to Soundwave, and the character designs and animation style are modernised garbage to mine eyes.

I don't hate it, per say, but its just like an extra kiddified kids version of the old cartoon. Its nice to see though, the easter eggs of G1ness that pop up though... Daniel... Kremzeek on the monitor at one point etc...

I pretty much agree with you on everything you said and I've seen a lot of other TF fans mention those things as well.

I'm thinking people expected a more, older, wiser in command Optimus?

Originally posted by Scythe
I'm thinking people expected a more, older, wiser in command Optimus?

We kinda get that in Magnus.

Well yeah, but I can't help to think that the show would be more acceptable by casual G1 fans if there were a Prime who was wise, skillful, and the like.

We've had that kind of leader for 7 shows now. I think it might be time for a change. More if we include the Japanese series.

It's nice we seem to be getting some actual character development from prime for once. We havn't seen that since armada and that was only tacked on the end and forgotten by energon.

Also this show is worth it just for the Megatron killing Starscream montage.

That's not saying I love the animation. I've gotten used to it but that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer them looking less stylised. Still it does has the best storyline aside from Beastwars which is why I keep watching.

Originally posted by grey fox
*shakes head*

Sadako, you sound really intolerant and ignorant right now. You know that ?

*shakes head* Why...? Because my opinion is different than yours..?

How have I been ignorant..? I've acknowledged positive things about it. So with respect, you are the one who has come across as ignorant by refusing to see the middle ground here, instead attacking me personally and over agressively asserting what after all is merely your opinion.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
*shakes head* Why...? Because my opinion is different than yours..?

How have I been ignorant..? I've acknowledged positive things about it. So with respect, you are the one who has come across as ignorant by refusing to see the middle ground here, instead attacking me personally and over agressively asserting what after all is merely your opinion.

From my POV it appeared you were denouncing it for petty reasons. I can accept others opinions but only if they appear to be valid.

For example. If you hate it because the plot sucked, then that's perfectly fine. Yet if you hated it for say........a single Voice actor whom only appeared sporadically then it's petty...and silly.

And from my POV it could be the same too, but I just didn't get out my pram with you over it.

Petty it may have been in your opinion maybe, but your judging it as petty didn't neccesarily make it so.
Besides my argument would be less about the voice actor, and more the voice direction.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And from my POV it could be the same too, but I just didn't get out my pram with you over it.

Petty it may have been in your opinion maybe, but your judging it as petty didn't neccesarily make it so.
Besides my argument would be less about the voice actor, and more the voice direction.

Define 'direction' please ?

Process of directing voice actor in terms of tone, gravity of deliverance of the line, informing the actor what motivation lies behind the character or line and occasionally making the tea. etc

Wally Burr for example was voice director on the 80's originals.

Also the way the voice was slowed in post made the voice sound dumber whilst having to say the already dumbly written lines couldn't have helped. But I think thats down to the v director too.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Process of directing voice actor in terms of tone, gravity of deliverance of the line, informing the actor what motivation lies behind the character or line and occasionally making the tea. etc

Wally Burr for example was voice director on the 80's originals.

Also the way the voice was slowed in post made the voice sound dumber whilst having to say the already dumbly written lines couldn't have helped. But I think thats down to the v director too.

So you believe that quality is lacking within the current direction ?

Yep. The reason they went with that Im sure was a dumbed down attempt to convey size.

But anyone who has heard an adult Elephant wail away, will realise the false economy of that concept that size determines pitch of a being's vocal output.

There were several other ways that size in sound could be conveyed, with simple use of more volume and more low frequency EQ on the robot voices, maybe using the old ring modulator and chorus trick they used to use even.

The characters could easily convey size, bredth and menace in other ways than to have them sound generic "big and dumb".

I think it may have been symptomatic of letting Bay call too many shots in areas he admitted having no love for or even knowledge of in the conceptualisation stage and Im not alone in feeling that way.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yep. The reason they went with that Im sure was a dumbed down attempt to convey size.

But anyone who has heard an adult Elephant wail away, will realise the false economy of that concept that size determines pitch of a being's vocal output.

There were several other ways that size in sound could be conveyed, with simple use of more volume and more low frequency EQ on the robot voices, maybe using the old ring modulator and chorus trick they used to use even.

The characters could easily convey size, bredth and menace in other ways than to have them sound generic "big and dumb".

I think it may have been symptomatic of letting Bay call too many shots in areas he admitted having no love for or even knowledge of in the conceptualisation stage and Im not alone in feeling that way.

......I'm reffering to Animated, not the movie.

Oh no, thats its own thing and it being so overly kiddified I don't really have much feeling on that either way.....

....but thinking on it for a mo, I actually think its prettty good. and appropriate to the level of the age-level show it is. Quite old school in its values I guess. More adherance to the characters we knew.
And it never claims to be something its not.

I like the Prowl voice. Grimlock etc was all cool. Primes gonna sound different in this concept anyhow..... not bad. The Megatron was good also.... Counts for a lot.

Grimlock and Soundwave sounded great to me. Soundwave didn't speak in octaves where his voice "climbed" up and down as in G1, but the envelope filter style voice suited soundwave.

Envelope filters are like a Wah or tone/eq effect that has no effect on pitch, but the tonal thickness of the note by filtering certain frequencies. Often forms a "quaaaaaaaaaaaaa" sound frather than a "wahhhhh" sound.

Soundwave's voice used a vocoder.
(Which trivia fans, can be heard on ELO's 'Mr.Blue sky', R2-D2 -blended with sampled boops and whoops- and its been popular in a fairbit of electro music too.)

Oh that's what that is?

Oh yeah...! Its a great effect. Real retro.

Well, I'm not too impressed with the animated's line of toys, however I will bargain that I'll go for Grimlock. He's the best one imo, so well made.

Wreckgar is truly made of win. Weird Al does a surprisingly good job as a VA.

Oh yeah? Weird Al is in the new animated show?

That I'd give a listen. Apt too, given his singing over half of Wreck-Gar's screentime in the 86 movie.

He's in the new animated show though?

yeh he's supposed to be voicing wreck-gar

Wreck Gar

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Holy crap, that's G1!

Cool. To hear Weird Al in a cartoon. His voice is very very suited to the medium.

I think G1 Wreck-gar was more stoic and he constantly "talked in TV"
again, strong G1 route, but this is just kiddified that extra bit, I guess which fits the show and works well within it.. still don't like the animation style, but I appeciate the conceptual thought gone into this here.

Coulda done without the "More than meets the eye with you" level of corny dialogue refering to the 86 movie.

EG That whole "Hi Im Wreck Gar! And I dare to be stupid" thing...

Well thank you for the classifieds ad, Mr.Wreck Gar!! Do you also also like busty blondes, smoking and find children and pets irritating? Jeez.

You all know I love the G1 stuff, but that execution was so hammy.
But feck it, this one for Pre-schoolers, so one can't expect Shakespear
I suppose.

Not bad design though. Not too bad at all.
Clearly resembles him

It's aimed at the same audience as almost every Transformers show 5-10 year olds. G1 was just as immature. Its just been animated in the same style most modern action cartoons are been done in.

If you want more mature robot shows go watch Gundam or Macross you'll never get it from Transformers again.

I'm sure there'll be a mature Transformers series, give it time

The dreamwave comics were a step in the right direction.
They shoulda let those guys been involved.

Last nights episode was pretty poor, then again it seemed more-over intended to be an 'introduction' to Blurr.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
It's aimed at the same audience as almost every Transformers show 5-10 year olds. G1 was just as immature. Its just been animated in the same style most modern action cartoons are been done in.

If you want more mature robot shows go watch Gundam or Macross you'll never get it from Transformers again.

Well why not stick on Robocop in that case? Now thats a mature robot movie...

I do know that when I was ten to like thirteen and the originals were about, they never featured Powder-puff girl stuff and still took a more dark angle somehow. And the comics were the mark of the more mature side of what made Transformers great anyhow.


On your last point, sadly, I agree it looks that way.
The DW comics are the last best hope.

i thought dreamwave was dead? in fact i seem to remember them being revived and then dying AGAIN

There's a spoiler up on youtube that depicts new characters.

seekers, including a female seeker, omega supreme, constructicons.

Thank god they did. 90's comic book style exxxtreme writing and stories pepered with over powered Mary Su's are not what Transformers needs.

Pat lee's appalling business paractices gaurateed both failures. Spending company funds on yourself anf your girlfriend while not paying anyone isn't the best idea.



Its because you were younger back then and have your vision clouded by nostalgia now. G1 was full of rediculous stories and one off villains that made little sense.

Besides the comics were subpar up until Furman took over. I wouldn't call Prime commiting suicide over a videogame deep. What about villains like the robot master?

Originally posted by freek
i thought dreamwave was dead? in fact i seem to remember them being revived and then dying AGAIN

Correct. As noted above by Galvaclaw, business was the reason it folded.

Not because it was shit.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Thank god they did. 90's comic book style exxxtreme writing and stories pepered with over powered Mary Su's are not what Transformers needs.

Pat lee's appalling business paractices gaurateed both failures. Spending company funds on yourself anf your girlfriend while not paying anyone isn't the best idea.



Its because you were younger back then and have your vision clouded by nostalgia now. G1 was full of rediculous stories and one off villains that made little sense.

Besides the comics were subpar up until Furman took over. I wouldn't call Prime commiting suicide over a videogame deep. What about villains like the robot master?

Its not just nostalgia. I re-read the scans from time to time.

Furman was in it from UK marvel issue 20-something.
His stuff was always cool.
Robot master and the government storyline was still way cooler and more mature than a flying powder puff girl.

You're right about the depth of the US scripts which served to introduce product every issue first then worried about content later. Yeah the prob was Bob Budiansky going into a decline around the Fifteenth US issue or so. "The Car wash of doom" would be another great example of the lameness that sometime infect the US comic's writing while the US had that, we had Target: 2006. THATS where the deep/good stuff is at.

That Prime death no.2/Pretenders story licked cybertronian donkey sacks allllllll day, But the underbase saga etc was good..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its not just nostalgia. I re-read the scans from time to time.

Furman was in it from UK marvel issue 20-something.
His stuff was always cool.
Robot master and the government storyline was still way cooler and more mature than a flying powder puff girl.

You're right about the depth of the US scripts which served to introduce product every issue first then worried about content later. Yeah the prob was Bob Budiansky going into a decline around the Fifteenth US issue or so. "The Car wash of doom" would be another great example of the lameness that sometime infect the US comic's writing while the US had that, we had Target: 2006. THATS where the deep/good stuff is at.

That Prime death no.2/Pretenders story licked cybertronian donkey sacks allllllll day, But the underbase saga etc was good..

A lot of people enjoyed 'The Car Wash of Doom' , mostly because it was so bad it was good.

Thats one hell of a guilty or ironic pleasure...

Its like the "Trouble with tribbles" but for the TF comics.

I don't know if anyone here has read the Transformers comics put out by IDW, who received the license after dreamwave's demise...but i recently got a hold of all of them and the stories are really entertaining.

There's a "spotlight" series, where each issue features characters that aren't primary characters in the main story, though it still ties all together and is overall very well done.

re: transformers animated...i've been traumatized by attempts to watch the transformers cartoons from japan (armada, RID) and I really dislike these anime-style programs....that's not TF at all. Granted I'd like to take a look but I just can't get over the designs of the TFs on animated....IMO they're just hideous. How is the show itself?

I'm very fond of the IDW comics. Much better than dreamwave.



It's generally well written. Megatron is the best we've had for years. It suffers from low frame rate in some of the episodes. Also some of the filler episodes plot are a bit off. In general though its a good show with endless nods back to G1 and I mean loads. They've even had spike appear played by his G1 voice actor.

Indeed, the inclusion of the sweeps and the Ark transforming can only make it better.

Holy crap, this just got way better. They included the twins, Jetstormand Jetfire, and the sweeps, with a female Screamer, Cyclonus, Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, Waspinator, Shockwave, precepter, wheeljack, Elita-One, Blurr, Arcee and Blackout, Just to name a few.

It f*ckin' sucked that Blurr was "killed" by Shockawave, wtf was that? He was a cool character, and it also looks like Shockwave might've killed Ultra Magnus as well.

Good stuff.