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I know most will say that Batman Begins was the better reboot because Batman and Robin destroyed the franchise. But alot of true Bond fans were unhappy with Die Another Day and were happy to get Brosnan out of the role.

1. Which was the better reboot to their respective franchises?
2. Which was the better movie all-around?

Reboot, I have to go with Batman but overall good movie has to be Casino Royale.

I feel exactly the same way.

I remember watching Casino and being more into following the action and what the characters were doing (especially the poker game that was intense) whereas with Batman, once he got back into Gotham the story was not as interesting as when he was with Ducard etc.

Yea Batman kinda got slow whereas Casino was filled with twists and turns and never stopped.

I was hanging on the edge of my chair as the truth about the babe slowly became known. The film just never stopped.

I know I didn't even seee it in the theater I bought the DVD and watched it at home. Easily in the top 5 Bond movies ever.

Same with me, I rented the DVD with my father and we were really caught up into it.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I know most will say that Batman Begins was the better reboot because Batman and Robin destroyed the franchise. But alot of true Bond fans were unhappy with Die Another Day and were happy to get Brosnan out of the role.

1. Which was the better reboot to their respective franchises?
2. Which was the better movie all-around?


Batman Begins is by far the better movie. Both franchises needed reboots and both films delivered, however I feel that BB was just a lot better

Indeed? Care to elaborate?

BB was better, IMO, because it showed that comic book films can survive.

Batman Begins for me all the way. I felt Casino Royale was a step back in the franchise to be honest. Still, I'm looking forward to the new Bond movie.

I think both movies did a great job at revitalizing their franchises. Although i liked Brosnan as bond. The bond movies he starred in were ridiculously bad. I think Batman begins did more for the batman franchise than royale did though. The Batman franchise was threatened with a do or die movie. Bond movies will always be around.

Eveyone knows I'm voting for Casino Royale.

Both have kinda given a new lease of life for both respective franchises, yet frankly Batman Begins kicks the nuts out of Casino Royale as a film.

Casino Royale bustles about with a lot of baggage and unconfident footing, really, it pales in comparison to some of the Bourne films. I think the swagger of a good new Bond gave way in the end to a dodgy third act. Batman Begins doesn't suffer from any of that malarkey.

Batman was a better reboot, because as noted, the non Tim Burton films lowered the bar so low, that the franchise didn't have anywhere to go but up.

Casino Royale was a (slightly) better film than Batman Begins, though both were great and both were one (if not the) of the best movies put out for their respective years of '06 & '05.

Originally posted by exanda kane
. I think the swagger of a good new Bond gave way in the end to a dodgy third act. Batman Begins doesn't suffer from any of that malarkey.

See, i think the third act of casino royale was solid and consistent with the rest of the film. I felt that the ending for begins was rather anti-climatic and rushed.

I adore both films, but Casino Royale comes out on top for me. If BB didn't have Katie Holmes in it then it would have been perfect. Very happy with MG in the role now for the next Batman film.

Its like comparing Kylie Minogue to Iron maiden, two different movies

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
See, i think the third act of casino royale was solid and consistent with the rest of the film. I felt that the ending for begins was rather anti-climatic and rushed.

Even if you didn't like the movie, Casino Royale was solid in pacing, he just said that to sound like the informed connoisseur.

I was dissapointed with batman begin, the batman and bruce wayne characters were no way near what I remembered. Hollywood bad!

Casino Royale was sheet hot though, a bit long and a bit of the twists were confusing to begin with. But playing poker with a villain? what a plot.

As reboots Batman Begins had it extremely easy though. They could have cut two hours out of the 60s series and it would still have been endlessly better than B&R.

As movie, I do think Casino Royale might have a slight edge actually, though I found them both to be extremely entertaining and good.

Wow.

Tough one. BOTH were awesome reboots that really made me love both franchises again.

Both were more realistic than their cartoony predecessors (Batman and Robin/Die Another Day) and brought a sense of realism to both the worlds of these fantastic characters, and a seriousness to the situations.

Both picked GREAT new stars to lead the new franchises and they delivered.

It's honestly a tie for me, but I gave it to Batman Begins for the amount of quality actors in it. It's not really a BETTER film, but I watch it more.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
See, i think the third act of casino royale was solid and consistent with the rest of the film. I felt that the ending for begins was rather anti-climatic and rushed.

As soon as Le Chiffre died (were spoilers really neccesary?) Casino Royale just chases a plot it never catches up with. I know that because I'm an informed connoisseur, thank you Robtard. The pacing for Casino Royale is anything but solid.

Maybe I just don't like Bond films though. Maybe if they werre British I would.

I gotta say Batman. Both were incredible and have become two of my faves, with Begins being my number 1.


I agree with Kane, the last segments of 007 didnt live up to everythign before it. The final shot with Bond though was badass.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Both have kinda given a new lease of life for both respective franchises, yet frankly Batman Begins kicks the nuts out of Casino Royale as a film.

Casino Royale bustles about with a lot of baggage and unconfident footing, really, it pales in comparison to some of the Bourne films. I think the swagger of a good new Bond gave way in the end to a dodgy third act. Batman Begins doesn't suffer from any of that malarkey. I think that Casino Royale>Both of the first Bourne films(havn't seen Ultimatum yet but I do own it)

And yes the last shot with Bond was bad***!

Casino Royale for me. Can't wait for the sequels though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As reboots Batman Begins had it extremely easy though. They could have cut two hours out of the 60s series and it would still have been endlessly better than B&R.

As movie, I do think Casino Royale might have a slight edge actually, though I found them both to be extremely entertaining and good.

Pfft... you just paraphrased what I said, jackass.

Anyhow, who do you think is hotter, Bale or Craig?

Craig as Bond is more entertaining than Bale as Batman IMO. Bale's still aweswome though. Best Batman yet!

I agree with your assessment, but I meant "hotter" in a Bardock42-gay-way.

No doubt in my mind. Casino Royale beats BB by miles and miles and miles...and more miles....and miles.

Surprising to hear that coming from you WrathfulDwarf.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I think that Casino Royale>Both of the first Bourne films(havn't seen Ultimatum yet but I do own it)

And yes the last shot with Bond was bad***!

Casino Royale for me. Can't wait for the sequels though.

The Ultimatum is the best, with Supremacy close behind. More visceral energy and economic imagination in those films than the last five bond films put together.

On another note, what Casino Royale tried to do with the character was almost ineffectual; I remember reading that they tried to take the character back to basics, that bonds masculine armour would be stripped and subsequently place back upon after a betrayal.

So he tries to get hitched and something happens to his wife, which is a variation of the end of the George Lazenby film, where his newly wed is shot. His looses his armour and martini and then chucks it back on as soon as his wife died. Although an inferior film, the Lazenby film 's end is more effective at what Casino Royale takes a whole film to communicate.

Batman Begins easily.All the other batman movies sucked and were a disgrace to the comicbook.Batman begins finally did the caped crusader justice on the big screen. Plus the Bond series really should have ended years ago after Moore retired.as long as the planet earth is here,they are never going to stop making these freaking Bond movies.

Nolan did a great job in directing Batman Begins. I love it!

Casino Royale>Most all of the Moore films individually.

Casino Royale>Batman Begins IMO but The Dark Knight is goping destroy all!

Casino Royale by far. it had way more characterizations than you normally find in an action movie and craig was awesome. BB had a great look and style to it, but despite Bale being a good actor, i thought his character was pretty dull and the action scenes were weak.

Ha! Laughable opinion really.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Ha! Laughable opinion really. Actually, I kinda agree.

Working with the criteria in which he judged Casino Royale above Batman Begins, Batman has the better characterisation and Bale gives sides (with help from the script) to the character that haven't been explored in the films before.

So did Daniel Craig with his character to some extent, but James Bond hasn't got a lot to work with.

Both have visceral action sequences, although Casino Royales pales in comparison to the obvious comparison of Bourne.

Casion Royale>Identity and Supremacy


And the action was better than Begins IMO

Maybe it beats them as a film all round, but the set pieces, like they always are in Bond are big and tame. Bourne on the other hand is unpredictable, economical and realistic. While Bond is faffing about with his martinis, machoism and mysogony, Bourne has already clobbered himself out of a trap with a toothpick and a three month old copy of The Times.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Ha! Laughable opinion really.

co signed.