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The thread got closed before I could post this image. But someone (we won't mention any names...) said that a certain War Green Guy could see Superman coming a mile away.


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1096/speedblitzah6.jpg


You were saying?

Making bait threads are bad, even for a Mod.
Tisk Tisk WD.

Anyways im assuming this is the Hulk your talking about, and he wont be able to react to a Pre Crisis Superman's speed.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The thread got closed before I could post this image. But someone (we won't mention any names...) said that a certain War Green Guy could see Superman coming a mile away.


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1096/speedblitzah6.jpg


You were saying? Hmm, shall we reopen the thread?

Originally posted by Priest
Making bait threads are bad, even for a Mod.
Tisk Tisk WD.

Anyways im assuming this is the Hulk your talking about, and he wont be able to react to a Pre Crisis Superman's speed.

I assure is not done with any bad intentions. I will make sure this will get close or move to the Respect thread.

Although....I'm responsible for not making that clear early.

My bad...no bashing or flaming in mind.

Originally posted by Badabing
Hmm, shall we reopen the thread?

Nah!

http://i17.tinypic.com/87jvptf.jpg

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The thread got closed before I could post this image. But someone (we won't mention any names...) said that a certain War Green Guy could see Superman coming a mile away.


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1096/speedblitzah6.jpg


You were saying?

Is that the one where he breaks the bounds of infinity and has to be stopped by Spectre before he damages the fabric of reality?

Originally posted by Inhuman


http://i17.tinypic.com/87jvptf.jpg

lulz. Pwnage.

Pweas reopen it?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The thread got closed before I could post this image. But someone (we won't mention any names...) said that a certain War Green Guy could see Superman coming a mile away.



Or red.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The thread got closed before I could post this image. But someone (we won't mention any names...) said that a certain War Green Guy could see Superman coming a mile away.


You were saying?


Reported for making a bait thread.

Isn't that scan pretty old?

That's probably pre-crisis, and thus, non-canon. The narration sounds distinctively pre-crisis.

I haven't seen Superman go past lightspeed in any recent comic, but I'd love someone to show me him doing just that. Narrative text description too.

he's broken the light barrier several times post crisis...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I haven't seen Superman go past lightspeed in any recent comic, but I'd love someone to show me him doing just that. Narrative text description too. You really don't believe he can...?

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
You really don't believe he can...?

He shouldn't be able to ridiculously exceed it.
But it is supes

Originally posted by Inhuman
He shouldn't be able to ridiculously exceed it.
But it is supes

says the man with a hulk sig...

Originally posted by pr1983
says the man with a hulk sig...

Thats red hulk buddy 13jockey

Pc feat and bait thread?

Originally posted by Inhuman


http://i17.tinypic.com/87jvptf.jpg Nice one .

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Is that the one where he breaks the bounds of infinity and has to be stopped by Spectre before he damages the fabric of reality? Yup.... From back in the pre-crisis days.

The only reason I bring up it's pre-crisis nature, is because back then, Supes was breaking the time barrier as a baby :

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/73/superboy11904zn5.th.jpg


So does the first scan really surprise me? Nah..

Originally posted by Inhuman


http://i17.tinypic.com/87jvptf.jpg

Supes looks rediculous when running

Originally posted by Galan007
Yup.... From back in the pre-crisis days.

The only reason I bring up it's pre-crisis nature, is because back then, Supes was breaking the time barrier as a baby :

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/73/superboy11904zn5.th.jpg


So does the first scan really surprise me? Nah.. However after Infinite Crisis, it seems some of the Pre-Crisis stuff is back in continuity for Superman. Such with him noting that he hadn't seen the Legion of Superheros since before the 85 Crisis.

Originally posted by Juntai
However after Infinite Crisis, it seems some of the Pre-Crisis stuff is back in continuity for Superman. Such with him noting that he hadn't seen the Legion of Superheros since before the 85 Crisis. You have that scan by any chance? I dunno if I've seen it yet.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The thread got closed before I could post this image. But someone (we won't mention any names...) said that a certain War Green Guy could see Superman coming a mile away.


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1096/speedblitzah6.jpg


You were saying?

You forgot to post the subsequent scans of him getting his ass handed to him like a child by the Spectre. PC Supes was just ridiculous though in every way. Making up powers just for the moment.

Example: using Super-friction to rub the bars together in a jail cell to get out, when he could have simply bent the bars or used his heat vision.

Basically PC Superman was written that no matter what the task, in terms of strength, he could do it, unless the writer wanted him not to. So writers could make a character that was somehow stronger, just to make up an enemy, yet that character might not have any other strength feats.

But as ridiculous as all his strong showing were there are tons of low showing as well.

Originally posted by Galan007
You have that scan by any chance? I dunno if I've seen it yet. I don't have a scan but it happened in the recently concluded lightning saga arc between JLA and JSA. Also the last Action Comics Annual had a collection of stories, once of which showed Clark as a boy, with all his powers in tact, thus throwing away Byrne's post Crisis reboot.

True. But the Speedblitz also works as a signature move for Supes. It's pretty much one of his strongest physical attacks...

Originally posted by Inhuman
But as ridiculous as all his strong showing were there are tons of low showing as well. Also true, mostly because the writers of the time simply couldn't think of ways to challenge Superman. Writing a character that powerful for long periods of time probably becomes really difficult, especially when their science and knowledge of things at the time was so limited compared to what we know now. So they would make him fumble and stumble at the beginning of the arc, then bust out what he could have done from the beginning at the end of it.... But on the forum, they fight to the best of their ability though a case might be made for CIS.

Originally posted by Rewmac
True. But the Speedblitz also works as a signature move for Supes. It's pretty much one of his strongest physical attacks... Well, 'speedblitz' I don't think of as a single type of attack, it's more when he just utilizes his speed and other powers to overwhelm opponents. Often enough, even admitted by Supes himself, he just absorbs blows until he figures everything out that he needs/wants-to-know, and then he just ends it.

Originally posted by pr1983
he's broken the light barrier several times post crisis... I said I've never seen it.

I've seen frames of him flying from one planet to another, with no descriptive text, but not much more.

I'm just not sure that he can do it. BUT I would gladly and unashamedly accept any schooling you confer to me on the matter.

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, 'speedblitz' I don't think of as a single type of attack, it's more when he just utilizes his speed and other powers to overwhelm opponents. Often enough, even admitted by Supes himself, he just absorbs blows until he figures everything out that he needs/wants-to-know, and then he just ends it. I coined the term, "speedblitz".

Originally posted by Juntai
Also true, mostly because the writers of the time simply couldn't think of ways to challenge Superman. Writing a character that powerful for long periods of time probably becomes really difficult, especially when their science and knowledge of things at the time was so limited compared to what he know now. So they would make him fumble and stumble at the beginning of the arc, then bust out what he could have done from the beginning at the end of it.... But on the forum, they fight to the best of their ability though a case might be made for CIS.

I agree. Just that the board has become accustomed to just looking at a PC Superman vs. fight and automatically claiming him victor(very understandable. I do as well). I wholeheartedly agree that he had cartoonish/wacky insane powers. Pretty much anything was possible for him. But on the other hand you got him struggling with radioactive plants, mutated bears, getting turned into a monkey (not by mxy), losing his powers(this was an often ocurance & not by red sun or k-nite), female aliens, ect.
But like you said he couldnt be fighting luthor, bizaro, and mxy all the damn time. Thats why you had alot of dumb stories like lois lane grows mysteriously to giant size, or jimmy olsen is kidnapped to another dimension.

In an interview for the latest arc of Action comics Johns said the pre crisis all superboy and the legion of superheroes are canon again.

There's also been some references to some pre crisis Superman stories since Infinite crisis. The giant golden key has been mentioned as well as that the events of for the man that has everything have been eluded to.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I said I've never seen it.

I've seen frames of him flying from one planet to another, with no descriptive text, but not much more.

I'm just not sure that he can do it. BUT I would gladly and unashamedly accept any schooling you confer to me on the matter.

I coined the term, "speedblitz". He's been doing it regularly since the mid-late 90's, but his first lightspeed type feat that I recall happened during his Exile when gravity almost pulled him into a sun, though he had to use momentum to do it. I'm fairly sure he reached lightspeed there, but it's been a while since I read it..That was 1988.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
In an interview for the latest arc of Action comics Johns said the pre crisis all superboy and the legion of superheroes are canon again. I figured as much already. Thanks.
Could you happen to PM that to me sometime, should you come across it? I love reading Johns interviews.

Originally posted by Juntai
He's been doing it regularly since the mid-late 90's, but his first lightspeed type feat that I recall happened during his Exile when gravity almost pulled him into a sun, though he had to use momentum to do it. I'm fairly sure he reached lightspeed there, but it's been a while since I read it..That was 1988. Why was he trying to avoid going into a sun? I thought those were good for him.

Why would he need to exceed lightspeed to do that?

I want a scan. I want hardcore, narrative description, and I want it now. Got it, Juntai? glare

Originally posted by Galvaclaw

There's also been some references to some pre crisis Superman stories since Infinite crisis. The giant golden key has been mentioned as well as that the events of for the man that has everything have been eluded to. Of course, Johns has been referencing Alan Moore for a while now, especially evident in Green Lantern, since Alan Moore wrote the prophecy in GLC Annual 2.

Originally posted by Juntai
Of course, Johns has been referencing Alan Moore for a while now, especially evident in Green Lantern, since Alan Moore wrote the prophecy in GLC Annual 2. Stop ignoring me.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Why was he trying to avoid going into a sun? I thought those were good for him.

Why would he need to exceed lightspeed to do that?

I want a scan. I want hardcore, narrative description, and I want it now. Got it, Juntai? glare Back then he couldn't navigate space well, it was his first post-crisis - thus depowered- arc leaving Earth. He had a breathing aparatus and a teleporter to get around. At the time he was out of power, so he was falling into a sun, which he was sure was going to kill him, so he flew in circles really fast until he escaped it. I'm fairly sure it said he was lightspeed, but like I said, it's been a while since I read it- I probably last checked it out 5 years ago or so.

However as I mentioned, his depowering has now been retconned, and navigating space is something he's done since he was a child. So it's relivence isn't really there.

Originally posted by Juntai
Back then he couldn't navigate space well, it was his first post-crisis - thus depowered- arc leaving Earth. He had a breathing aparatus and a teleporter to get around. At the time he was out of power, so he was falling into a sun, which he was sure was going to kill him, so he flew in circles really fast until he escaped it. I'm fairly sure it said he was lightspeed, but like I said, it's been a while since I read it- I probably last checked it out 5 years ago or so.

However as I mentioned, his depowering has now been retconned, and navigating space is something he's done since he was a child. So it's relivence isn't really there. Oh. ok.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Oh. ok. Also, I believe the arc ended with him fighting Mongul for the first time , which also would be retconned away with the mentioning of For the Man who has everything like Galvaclaw mentioned an arc that happened prior to Crisis.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Earth to Saturn in 4 minutes

http://i84.imagethrust.com/t/1306137/supermanlexluthor200026.jpg

http://i84.imagethrust.com/t/1306138/supermanlexluthor200027.jpg

http://i83.imagethrust.com/t/1306139/supermanlexluthor200028.jpg http://i84.imagethrust.com/t/1306140/supermanlexluthor200029.jpg

Originally posted by Rorschach
More of Superman traveling FTL

Superman flew from near Vega to Metropolis in a matter of moments

Vega is located 25.3 light-years away from Earth

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/6430/38727228pb1.th.jpghttp://img479.imageshack.us/img479/907/22451647gw0.th.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1128/14363755fb7.th.jpghttp://img394.imageshack.us/img394/6773/10200382ea8.th.jpghttp://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4822/31707425se1.th.jpghttp://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4962/84216747rs4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thats red hulk buddy 13jockey

oh, sorry, red hulk... my mistake...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I said I've never seen it.

I've seen frames of him flying from one planet to another, with no descriptive text, but not much more.

I'm just not sure that he can do it. BUT I would gladly and unashamedly accept any schooling you confer to me on the matter.

I coined the term, "speedblitz".

bah...

alright, here's one off of the top of my head/pics folder...

the pic i'll attach is, as it says, superman smashing into a dead moon orbiting saturn exactly four minutes after lex was made president...

according to nasa (i hope i'm reading that right... ), it takes between 67 and 85 minutes for light to travel from saturn to earth...

Originally posted by pr1983
oh, sorry, red hulk... my mistake...



bah...

alright, here's one off of the top of my head/pics folder...

the pic i'll attach is, as it says, superman smashing into a dead moon orbiting saturn exactly four minutes after lex was made president...

according to nasa (i hope i'm reading that right... ), it takes between 67 and 85 minutes for light to travel from saturn to earth... I already posted it on the bottom of the last page.

Originally posted by Juntai
I already posted it on the bottom of the last page.

So wait a secodn he flys from earth to saturn in 4 minutes....he looked like he was really trying as well....and then flys an even greater distance in less time. That vege feat looks like minutes but its still pretty impressive.

This seems inconsistent.

Originally posted by Juntai
I already posted it on the bottom of the last page.
These moderators.......

Originally posted by Alfheim
So wait a secodn he flys from earth to saturn in 4 minutes....he looked like he was really trying as well....and then flys an even greater distance in less time. That vege feat looks like minutes but its still pretty impressive.

This seems inconsistent.

he was trying to smash the moon, it doesnt detail how hard he was pushing himself while in flight...

Originally posted by Estacado
These moderators.......

quiet you.

Originally posted by pr1983
he was trying to smash the moon, it doesnt detail how hard he was pushing himself while in flight...



I dunno man that looks like hes trying to me.

http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/5tML/view-image/superman-lex-luthor-2000-28.html

Originally posted by pr1983
quiet you.
estahuh

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno man that looks like hes trying to me.

http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/5tML/view-image/superman-lex-luthor-2000-28.html

he's just after ploughing through part of the moon...

Originally posted by pr1983
he's just after ploughing through part of the moon...

So hes facial expression changes after he went through the moon....looking at tthe scans it looks like he was generally pissed before and after he ploughed through the moon.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So hes facial expression changes after he went through the moon....looking at tthe scans it looks like he was generally pissed before and after he ploughed through the moon.

he was pissed because luthor was just made president... im not saying his facial expression changed, but obviously he's going to expend a little more energy when he smashed into it than when he was flying, hell, he'd even have to deccelerate first, if he was flying full speed when he hit that moon, it would have most likely shattered, and superman, no matter how angry he is, would never intentionally cause damage on that scale...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Isn't that scan pretty old?

That's probably pre-crisis, and thus, non-canon. The narration sounds distinctively pre-crisis.

I haven't seen Superman go past lightspeed in any recent comic, but I'd love someone to show me him doing just that. Narrative text description too.

Keep watching....

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2976/supesescapesblackhole1tn2.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4251/supesescapesblackhole2fn6.jpg

Supes manages to pull away from the cosmic force of a Black Hole.

Satisfied?

Originally posted by pr1983
he was pissed because luthor was just made president... im not saying his facial expression changed, but obviously he's going to expend a little more energy when he smashed into it than when he was flying, hell, he'd even have to deccelerate first, if he was flying full speed when he hit that moon, it would have most likely shattered, and superman, no matter how angry he is, would never intentionally cause damage on that scale...

Bro he was severly pissed off and thats the state of mind he was in when he started flying. So we can assume since its not everyday Luthor becomes President that Superman doesnt usually fly at that speed. In that state of mind he probably would be going near top speed.

You then have another scan of him with much less effort going 100s of times fatser

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro he was severly pissed off and thats the state of mind he was in when he started flying. So we can assume since its not everyday Luthor becomes President that Superman doesnt usually fly at that speed. In that state of mind he probably would be going near top speed.

You then have another scan of him with much less effort going 100s of times fatser They happened a few years apart, and Superman gains in power day to day on Earth. Which is why people get laughed at by Superman fans, when people say "Well happened to him in comic..." and it happens to be from 86-96 or something, because the character Superman is now, is completely different, and exponentially more powerful every direction. It's barely even the same character at all, save the basic functions of his power-set.

Like back in 1990, Superman might struggle a little to lift a skyscraper. Now he could probably grab one and throw it like a javelin and hit Oa in the center of the universe. Even with the absurd physics of it not breaking down in the atmosphere or the stress.

Originally posted by Juntai
They happened a few years apart, and Superman gains in power day to day on Earth. Which is why people get laughed at by Superman fans, when people say "Well happened to him in comic..." and it happens to be from 86-96 or something, because the character Superman is now, is completely different, and exponentially more powerful every direction. It's barely even the same character at all, save the basic functions of his power-set.


Are there lots of examples of Superman nowhere days travlleing light years in moments?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Are there lots of examples of Superman nowhere days travlleing light years in moments? Well he fly's between galaxies and things, its not really hard to understand that he goes vastly beyond lightspeed.
I mean in Infinite Crisis, he left Earth and chased Superboy Prime halfway across the entire universe in the span of a couple pages.

It's not always so clear-cut where you get the feeling of time-frame, but one minute he can be on Earth, and in the next, in some other galaxy fighting for the survival of some race he's never heard of.

In one of the battles with Darkseid, he grabbed him and flew to the sun in mid-sentence.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So wait a secodn he flys from earth to saturn in 4 minutes....he looked like he was really trying as well....and then flys an even greater distance in less time. That vege feat looks like minutes but its still pretty impressive.

This seems inconsistent.

He's as fast as the writers need him to go.

No real upper echelon of his speed has been discovered yet.

As far as traveling speed, only Flashes and teleporters are faster in DC than Supes. Oh yeah, and boom tubes. Probably Infinity Man too. GLs are around the same speed, I think.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
As far as traveling speed, only Flashes and teleporters are faster in DC than Supes. Oh yeah, and boom tubes. Probably Infinity Man too. GLs are around the same speed, I think.

Though it isn't exactly the most recent example, Superman told Kyle that he was the fastest flier on the JLA.

Originally posted by Soljer
Though it isn't exactly the most recent example, Superman told Kyle that he was the fastest flier on the JLA.

This is true. Since then, Superman has accomplished his most impressive feats of speed.

Originally posted by Juntai
Well he fly's between galaxies and things, its not really hard to understand that he goes vastly beyond lightspeed.
I mean in Infinite Crisis, he left Earth and chased Superboy Prime halfway across the entire universe in the span of a couple pages.

It's not always so clear-cut where you get the feeling of time-frame, but one minute he can be on Earth, and in the next, in some other galaxy fighting for the survival of some race he's never heard of.

In one of the battles with Darkseid, he grabbed him and flew to the sun in mid-sentence.

That seems like a reasonable explanation. *shrug*

Dr Fate is faster than Supes.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Keep watching....

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2976/supesescapesblackhole1tn2.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4251/supesescapesblackhole2fn6.jpg

Supes manages to pull away from the cosmic force of a Black Hole.

Satisfied?
Damn...

Originally posted by Estacado
These moderators....... uhuhOriginally posted by Cosmic Cube
Isn't that scan pretty old?

That's probably pre-crisis, and thus, non-canon. The narration sounds distinctively pre-crisis.

I haven't seen Superman go past lightspeed in any recent comic, but I'd love someone to show me him doing just that. Narrative text description too. Supes has gone FTL in Countdown.


Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Keep watching....

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2976/supesescapesblackhole1tn2.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4251/supesescapesblackhole2fn6.jpg

Supes manages to pull away from the cosmic force of a Black Hole.

Satisfied? What comic is that from? I have most of Superman's comics but can't remember that scan.