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Essentially in the same vein as the GL Ring Versus Superman's powers thread;

Which character's powers would you rather have in our real world?

Superman's Powers

or

Apocalypse's Powers

Superman's

supes

Apoc. Superman's powers are good, but Apocalypse's powers have nigh-unlimited versatility. As well as immortality and eternal youth. And no weaknesses. (I assume this is original Apoc, not his host bodies that needed to recharge).

Apoc for me, but superman's powers are much more effective in a fight.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apoc. Superman's powers are good, but Apocalypse's powers have nigh-unlimited versatility. As well as immortality and eternal youth. And no weaknesses. (I assume this is original Apoc, not his host bodies that needed to recharge).

Yes, this is Apocalypse as originally conceived. You get his powers, not his storyline.

Originally posted by Priest
Apoc for me, but superman's powers are much more effective in a fight.

durfist Apoc will have his revenge.

On paper, Apocalypse should never, ever lose. He's hardly got any feats to back this up, though. What started out as a great villain was reduced to the jobber to end all jobbers.

List all of Apoc's powers.

One of my goals in life is to be a giant robot. So I pick Apocalypse.

supes

I dont feel like turning gray a shit

and if this is pc supes i can do anything!

"Telepathy: Apocalypse is a telepath of the first order, capable of displaying various psionic feats with the minds of others including reading and communicating with thoughts over vast distances."

Yeah, that's Marvel database, alright...

Scuzz, I don't need the Wikipedia article.

Illadelph, what powers are you referring to when you say Apocalypse's powers? Simply control over your own molecules?

i would take apocalypse's powers thank you

do you have to take the blue lips too?



Apoc's powers seem good but, he's not as fast as Superman and most of the powers are pretty "meh"... the shape-shifting might be cool though.

Originally posted by llagrok
Scuzz, I don't need the Wikipedia article.

Scuzz's list isn't the Wikipedia article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_%28comics%29

Originally posted by llagrok
List all of Apoc's powers.

Complete Control of Atomic Structure which grants:
-Shapeshifting
-Nigh Invulnerabilty to impact damage, projectiles, and energy attacks
-Cellular regeneration and immortality
-Density control
-Mass manipulation (abililty to grow to incredible heights and mass)
-Techno-organic metamorphing (ability to morph the entirety or portion of body into fully functioning machinery with independently moving parts, including projectiles, advanced energy weapons, and vehicles with combustible fuel or other means of propulsion)
-Ability to survive without sustinence or oxygen in extreme conditions indefinitely, including the vacuum of space.
-Cellestial Technology Implants and armor which are fully integrated into molecular structure
Limited telepathy which grants mind reading and passive mind control
Energy Absorption and projection
Forcefield projection
Teleportation


*There are other abilities beyond this which are disputed.

Definitely Apocalypse's powers. Much more versatile.

Then I would go with Apocalypse's powers.

Even with just the molecular control, you get access to a shitload of powers, with a bit of imagination. With the full complement of celestial tech, you get even more. Including the ability to rez from a drop of blood.

Originally posted by janus77
do you have to take the blue lips too?


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/AvD02pg05.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/AvD02pg06.jpg

Nope.

I loved that costume. Why didn't he stick with it?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I loved that costume. Why didn't he stick with it?


Personally, I've always thought that his AoA design looked best.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/AoAcostumeApocalypse.png

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7112/aoacostumeapocalypse2cu9.png

Dunno if you can count it, but Apoc from X-Men Evo, looked the best by far... imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dunno if you can count it, but Apoc from X-Men Evo, looked the best by far... imo.

The Evolution design was superb. Basically, they kept what was cool and ignored what was cheesy of the comic version.

Although, I've always felt that he looked a bit 'unfinished'.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/12.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/07.jpg

I take apoc's, far more practical in the real world.

For example, shape-shifting. You can look and sound like anyone.

With superspeed reflexes, invulnerability, and teleportation across vast distances. You're for all practical purposes invincible. Only real world weapon that could potentially harm apoc would be a nuke, but instant teleport at superhuman speed, makes that a non-issue.

If we take the telepath and mind controlling abilities( don't recall this, but his basic power set should allow it.), that's godly in a social context especially when combined with shape-shifting.

to be honest apoc is the most boring character for me, rubbish origin story and an endless list of powers... sounds just too dull, that why I like the new version of supes, pre crisis was a joke

Apocalypse

Originally posted by MattDay
rubbish origin story

What went wrong?

Originally posted by MattDay
and an endless list of powers... sounds just too dull

Apoc's powers are... endless?

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I take apoc's, far more practical in the real world.

For example, shape-shifting. You can look and sound like anyone.

With superspeed reflexes, invulnerability, and teleportation across vast distances. You're for all practical purposes invincible. Only real world weapon that could potentially harm apoc would be a nuke, but instant teleport at superhuman speed, makes that a non-issue.

If we take the telepath and mind controlling abilities( don't recall this, but his basic power set should allow it.), that's godly in a social context especially when combined with shape-shifting.
You would still be gray / blue....

And who need practical when you can bench a continent?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You would still be gray / blue....

And who need practical when you can bench a continent?

Uhm, Apocalypse can look like anyone he wants to look like....

^I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that...

As far as the people going on and on about telepathy...well...

Torquasm-Vo. .

Just for the record, theoretically, a nuke shouldn't stop him. Assuming you can brace for the actual explosion, you'd be fine. Apoc has a spectacular healing factor, he's immune to radiation, and his body can adapt. So no, 1 nuke won't stop you. Couple dozen, that might hurt. But again, if you can brace or shield yourself, you're fine.

and of course, TK and teleporting are always options. Immortality helps too.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Just for the record, theoretically, a nuke shouldn't stop him. Assuming you can brace for the actual explosion, you'd be fine. Apoc has a spectacular healing factor, he's immune to radiation, and his body can adapt. So no, 1 nuke won't stop you. Couple dozen, that might hurt. But again, if you can brace or shield yourself, you're fine.

and of course, TK and teleporting are always options. Immortality helps too.

Two words; sun dip.

Three more; Golden Superman Prime.

.

Personally, I'd take Superman's.

Not to mention, if you were interested in exploring the cosmos, Superman's powers are much better suited.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not to mention, if you were interested in exploring the cosmos, Superman's powers are much better suited. Pretty much my reason.

Also, if you want to be a pervert... Superman's powers are second to none.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Pretty much my reason.

Also, if you want to be a pervert... Superman's powers are second to none.

Superman's.

Also a "first order telepath" can do more than just mind read and maybe psiblast once. 313

Please,Martian Manhunter sh*tstomps Supes when it comes to being a perve.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Please,Martian Manhunter sh*tstomps Supes when it comes to being a perve. Other than invisibility (that Superman can somewhat replicate), what perve powers does he have that Superman doesn't?

'Cause Superman has Sex-Ray vision...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Other than invisibility (that Superman can somewhat replicate), what perve powers does he have that Superman doesn't?

'Cause Superman has Sex-Ray vision...

Shape-shifting and Telepathy.Jonn also has Sex-ray vision jock

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Shape-shifting and Telepathy.Jonn also has Sex-ray vision jock Can't see how shape shifting adds to it... unless he's turning into a family dog or something...

And is reading thoughts really being that perverted? Unless he rearranges their mind or something...

Plus, the way MM would use his powers don't work too well, because he can basically do the same thing without powers in the mens locker room...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Can't see how shape shifting adds to it... unless he's turning into a family dog or something...

And is reading thoughts really being that perverted? Unless he rearranges their mind or something...

Plus, the way MM would use his powers don't work too well, because he can basically do the same thing without powers in the mens locker room...



Please,Jonn's a pimp.


and shape-shifting?become Black canary and go into the womens locker room.

Become Ollie and shag Black canary.Plus,he can always mindwipe if he ever got caught,or frame someone.

WW:Hey!someones in the vents!
*rips vent open*

WW:Bruce?

Well you could shapeshift into 's husband/boyfriend...

Or just mind control her into doing... stuff...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Please,Jonn's a pimp.


and shape-shifting?become Black canary and go into the womens locker room.

Become Ollie and shag Black canary.Plus,he can always mindwipe if he ever got caught,or frame someone.

WW:Hey!someones in the vents!
*rips vent open*

WW:Bruce? So I see the error of my ways...

Bruce would probably batkick MM later though. ermm

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So I see the error of my ways...

Bruce would probably batkick MM later though. ermm

Mv>Batkick>>>>>>Hv.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Mv>Batkick>>>>>>Hv.


Bullhockey!!!

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Bullhockey!!!

Pfffft,Spectre let Batman get that kick,he ran like a b*tch from a pissed Jonn.He needed a cheapshoit with fire just to take him

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Pfffft,Spectre let Batman get that kick,he ran like a b*tch from a pissed Jonn.He needed a cheapshoit with fire just to take him That made a lot of no sense.

Also, Spectre isn't the full base of his power... he reverted Marvel back to Billy... KO'ed Grundy, Grodd, etc with his kick. If he would have kicked MM, MM would have went down, you can bet your bottom dollar on that.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not to mention, if you were interested in exploring the cosmos, Superman's powers are much better suited.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph5.png

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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That made a lot of no sense.

Also, Spectre isn't the full base of his power... he reverted Marvel back to Billy... KO'ed Grundy, Grodd, etc with his kick. If he would have kicked MM, MM would have went down, you can bet your bottom dollar on that.


Dammit,if it takes me a lifetime,i will find a scan of Jonn dodging the batkick....oh yes,it will be found.

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=league2eo8.jpg

Jonn takes a batkick and he still stands.


Where is your god now?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph5.png

131 Superman's are still better suited unless you really plan on taking like a thousand years just to make it to the edge of our solar system. 313

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman's are still better suited unless you really plan on taking like a thousand years just to make it to the edge of our solar system. 313

dontgetit

Originally posted by Martian_mind
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=league2eo8.jpg

Jonn takes a batkick and he still stands.


Where is your god now? That looked like a little straight kick. It still wobbled him... but if it was the full on kick, MM would have been down.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That looked like a little straight kick. It still wobbled him... but if it was the full on kick, MM would have been down.

Well,Bruce was put down by MV......

Mv wins.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Well,Bruce was put down by MV......

Mv wins. MV had about the same effect as that kick did...
No wait, the kick stumbled MM... MV pushed Batman.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=league2eo8.jpg

Jonn takes a batkick and he still stands.


Where is your god now?


Batman was obviously holding back.


It also looks like Batman took on the Martian vision, unhurt....

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
dontgetit I'm just saying, if I want to visit Alpha Centauri, I'd rather go there at faster than light speeds than lowish maybe-Mach-at-best speeds. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Batman was obviously holding back.


It also looks like Batman took on the Martian vision, unhurt....

Martian was obviously holding back.


but here he matches supoes heat vision perfectly....

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=league5ut7.jpg

Apoc. just cuz he cant handle himself with this power set doesnt mean i cant. id pimp slap superman.

apocalypse can turn into a starship

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Martian was obviously holding back.


but here he matches supoes heat vision perfectly....

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=league5ut7.jpg And that further lends credentials to Bats. As you can plainly see, Bats was playing the role of the possum.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And that further lends credentials to Bats. As you can plainly see, Bats was playing the role of the possum.

He was koed.


But still,it is now irrefutable that Mv>Hv...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
He was koed.


But still,it is now irrefutable that Mv>Hv... Playing the role of the possum...

It also looks like all the heros were holding back on him... but he wasn't...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Playing the role of the possum...

He was the hostage.God...Batman was the weak link.Batman was a weak link...

that sounds wrong.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm just saying, if I want to visit Alpha Centauri, I'd rather go there at faster than light speeds than lowish maybe-Mach-at-best speeds. ermmhappy

What makes you think he's at "lowish maybe-Mach-at-best speeds" ?

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Apoc. just cuz writers cant handle his power set doesnt mean i cant. id pimp slap superman.

Fixed, fool.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
What makes you think he's at "lowish maybe-Mach-at-best speeds" That I've never seen him break the sound barrier.

There's probably a reason that Galactus gives his Heralds ftl travel speed, rather than the ability to turn into a meh plane. ermm

How hard would it be to recreate Prosh? Answer: Not that hard.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231

Fixed, fool.

lol, thanks for the correction

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's probably a reason that Galactus gives his Heralds ftl travel speed, rather than the ability to turn into a meh plane. ermm

Uhum... Starship.



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/m-falcom.gif

Yes now show me Apocalypse turning into that and then flying at multiple Mach speeds. ermmhappy

Even if he can manage Mach 100 which I've personally never seen anywhere near from him, it would still take 10 years to get to Pluto...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes now show me Apocalypse turning into that and then flying at multiple Mach speeds. ermmhappy

Even if he can manage Mach 100 which I've personally never seen anywhere near from him, it would still take 10 years to get to Pluto... i take it that you think its acceptable that superman is faster than light a million times over

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes now show me Apocalypse turning into that and then flying at multiple Mach speeds. ermmhappy

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i take it that you think its acceptable that superman is faster than light a million limes over There's nothing on panel to suggest that, that I can recall.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes now show me Apocalypse turning into that and then flying at multiple Mach speeds. ermmhappy

Even if he can manage Mach 100 which I've personally never seen anywhere near from him, it would still take 10 years to get to Pluto... ummm...on re-entry a space shuttle goes mach 25 so
whatchu talkin bout?

7,7000 miles per hour isn't even light speed

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's nothing on panel to suggest that, that I can recall.

Originally posted by Rorschach
More of Superman traveling FTL

Superman flew from near Vega to Metropolis in a matter of minutes

Vega is located 25.3 light-years away from Earth

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm just saying, if I want to visit Alpha Centauri, I'd rather go there at faster than light speeds than lowish maybe-Mach-at-best speeds. ermmhappy
Is this a version of superman that doesn't require breathing? AkA, can move indefinitely through space without air? (cause, IIRC, there are versions that can't.). Also what happens if he's too long away from a yellow sun or encounters several red suns on the way? Can he even take his sweet time on solar systems with red suns?

As for Apoc, Apoc can absorb mass from extra-dimensional sources or something, iirc. He can simply throw mass in one direction to gain constant acceleration, after some time with constant acceleration he can reach close to light speed in this universe. Due to time dilation while centuries might pass outside, he'd subjectively experience just decades to reach the end of the visible universe.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
ummm...on re-entry a space shuttle goes mach 25 so
whatchu talkin bout? Yeah, don't really care. Show it on panel.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah but I was referring more to the strawman about Superman moving millions of times c.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeah but I was referring more to the strawman about Superman moving millions of times c.

Do the math on that one.

It's much faster than a million times c.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Pretty much my reason.

Also, if you want to be a pervert... Superman's powers are second to none.

lmao supermans powers ftw

Originally posted by batdude123
Do the math on that one.

It's much faster than a million times c. Oooh... for some reason it didn't seem that fast when I just saw the number 25.3.

So that one's something like 10^6-10^7 x c.

Pretty fast.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
7,7000 miles per hour isn't even light speed

It isn't?

Are you sure? I mean, c'mon. Seven thousand is a big number! No way is light that fast!

Originally posted by batdude123
Not to mention, if you were interested in exploring the cosmos, Superman's powers are much better suited.
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph5.png

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I was about to say surely you could transform into a space ship and fly around. Probably one not so stupid looking. And without the comical laughing. Or with.

With a body made of shapeshifting celestial technology, you'd think you'd be able to give yourself warp capabilities. I'm surprised people haven't seen an episode of Star Trek is all I'm saying.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I was about to say surely you could transform into a space ship and fly around. Probably one not so stupid looking. And without the comical laughing. Or with.

With a body made of shapeshifting celestial technology, you'd think you'd be able to give yourself warp capabilities. I'm surprised people haven't seen an episode of Star Trek is all I'm saying.

Quoted for Intelligence.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Just for the record, theoretically, a nuke shouldn't stop him.

1 nuke shouldn't be even a slight danger to Apocalypse.

What's the longest distance Apocalypse has teleported on panel? Didn't he teleport from Earth to the Moon?

Apoc non jobbing should pwn ANY herald lvl being. I'd take his power set any day over superman's.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Apoc non jobbing should pwn ANY herald lvl being.

Nvr kind of has a point. Power-wise Apocalypse is no slouch. He's essentially a blend of Martian Manhunter and Cyborg Superman, sans the DC Comics "everyone travels/reacts at lightspeed" treatment, and telepathy feats of J'onn's scale.

His powers aren't the problem...

Originally posted by illadelph12
Nvr kind of has a point. Power-wise Apocalypse is no slouch. He's essentially a blend of Martian Manhunter and Cyborg Superman, sans the DC Comics "everyone travels/reacts at lightspeed" treatment, and telepathy feats of J'onn's scale.

His powers aren't the problem...

He's not pwning every herald level character.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's not pwning any herald level character.

He's a techno green lantern...or more along the lines of an Engineer with more powers.

Powerwise, he can get creative. On panel evidence suggests he sucks at using said powers ermm

Originally posted by Blair Wind
He's a techno green lantern...or more along the lines of an Engineer with more powers.

Powerwise, he can get creative. On panel evidence suggests he sucks at using said powers ermm

Bingo.

However, even with proper execution of said powers, he isn't beating every herald level character.

You can get pretty creative with tech BD. I mean if he can really do anything he can imagine with tech, he could potentially create the ultimate nullifier (or any of the tech Doom uses to pwn Silver Surfer ala stealing his powers) So yes, with proper execution he COULD pwn a herald level character.

In this case its intelligence vs raw power. If you are intelligent, using Apocs powers can provide greater returns. If you do not feel like thinking much, go for Superman's powers, they are still a blast to use.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You can get pretty creative with tech BD. I mean if he can really do anything he can imagine with tech, he could potentially create the ultimate nullifier (or any of the tech Doom uses to pwn Silver Surfer ala stealing his powers)

Aside from the fact that this is strictly theoretical, Apocalypse lacks the ability to create something as powerful as the Ultimate Nullifier. His power has a limit.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So yes, with proper execution he COULD pwn a herald level character. In this case its intelligence vs raw power, sadly Apoc is not that smart.

Correct, but not every herald level character as nvr mentioned before.

One thing I never understood, is why he never abused the celestial tech in his own body. He can potentially create herald-smashing weaponry and celestial tech level bases, just by using his own body and technopathy, and yet aside from a few nods from Louise Simonson (SP?), he's never really exploited that side of his powers.

So yeah, powerset-wise, he could take most heralds. On-panel? Apoc is Magneto level, maybe a bit lower.

We know how good celestial tech is, we've seen celestials and others use it. Hell, Stellaris uses a celestial tech morphing armor, and she's around mid herald level with just that. she has no other powers. And she never demonstrated the vast array of powers that Apocalypse has. She was able to stalemate an avenger's roster with Thor, Quasar and Sersi.

http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-stellaris.html

Not to play semantics, but Nvr did say "should", not "would". I can't see him beating every character in the Herald bracket for a majority, but there are certain power sets in that bracket he matches up very well against. Apoc would have problems with characters that have more exotic powers like matter transmutation, time manipulation, magical attacks, etc., but characters that just blast and punch would be at a disadvantage against Apocalypse, and there's a lot of Herald level characters that fall in that category.

Matter-manip? High end sure, but Sersi couldn't transmute him, nor could Black Bolt. His molecular control gives him strong resistance to matter manip. So it's not exactly a weakness. Agreed on the others though.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Not to play semantics, but Nvr did say "should", not "would". I can't see him beating every character in the Herald bracket for a majority, but there are certain power sets in that bracket he matches up very well against. Apoc would have problems with characters that have more exotic powers like matter transmutation, time manipulation, magical attacks, etc., but characters that just blast and punch would be at a disadvantage against Apocalypse, and there's a lot of Herald level characters that fall in that category.

See the problem with fighting apoc is that one would need an insane amount of powers AND power to beat him. Let's say sersi is fighting him. She's slower than he is. She can't transmute him becuz he can control his own molecules and He has TP feats that dwarf hers.

If He's fighting let's say silver surfer, Surfer is faster for sure from what we've seen. But a smart user of APoc powers could give themselves warp speeds and transportation powers. Hell he'd literally be a living star fleet ship with like other herald powers. HE could pwn the surfer just by wonkeying with his mind and using his exotic powers at the same time.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So yeah, powerset-wise, he could take most heralds. On-panel? Apoc is Magneto level, maybe a bit lower.

That argument doesn't hold any weight with me, Trick. Apocalypse has had his powers for what, 5000 years now? He's more adept at using them than any of us could imagine. You, Ill, and everyone else theorizing what is possible with his power-set is folly. The fact that he hasn't really done anything on a grand level isn't because he's stupid. He has experience with his power set out the wazoo.

After a while you have to start thinking that it isn't his CIS that holds him back. Especially when you consider the fact that he's a genius. He's just not powerful enough to give top tiers trouble.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not to mention, if you were interested in exploring the cosmos, Superman's powers are much better suited.

I change my vote.

Now I want Superman's powers.

Originally posted by batdude123
That argument doesn't hold any weight with me, Trick. Apocalypse has had his powers for what, 5000 years now? He's more adept at using them than any of us could imagine. You, Ill, and everyone else theorizing what is possible with his power-set is folly. The fact that he hasn't really done anything on a grand level isn't because he's stupid. He has experience with his power set out the wazoo.

After a while you have to start thinking that it isn't his CIS that holds him back. Especially when you consider the fact that he's a genius. He's just not powerful enough to give top tiers trouble.

Not to play contrarian, but the few times Apocalypse has faced "top tier" opposition he's held his own. It's not regular fare for him because he's an X-Man/Earth Based villain. He hasn't been written to be involved in any story arcs involving the likes of Gladiator or Silver Surfer, but he's gone toe to toe with people like High Evolutionary and Ikaris and made a good accounting for himself.

That said, it's truly immaterial to this thread because we're not debating the merits of Apocalypse as a character, we're debating the viability of having his powers in the real world. Whether or not Apocalypse himself is a tard has no bearing on what you could do with his powers if you had them yourself.

Originally posted by llagrok
I change my vote.

Now I want Superman's powers.

Sarcasm?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Not to play contrarian, but the few times Apocalypse has faced "top tier" opposition he's held his own. It's not regular fare for him because he's an X-Man/Earth Based villain. He hasn't been written to be involved in any story arcs involving the likes of Gladiator or Silver Surfer, but he's gone toe to toe with people like High Evolutionary and Ikaris and made a good accounting for himself.

That said, it's truly immaterial to this thread because we're not debating the merits of Apocalypse as a character, we're debating the viability of having his powers in the real world. Whether or not Apocalypse himself is a tard has no bearing on what you could do with his powers if you had them yourself.

And that's exactly my point. Apocalypse is better with his powers than any of us would be (unless we get his experience to go along with the power set). Therefore, his capabilities may not be as high as most would think around here.

I mean creating an ultimate nullifier with his technomorphing? Really B-Dub?

If he was that powerful, he would've taken over the world a thousand times over. That's all I'm saying. People overestimate his power.

If you refer to the O.P. I stated you get full knowledge in the use of either powerset, so yes, you'd have his "experience" and your own creativity. I doubt you could create the Ultimate Nullifier with his powers as it's more than just a machine and Apocalypse likely couldn't create the power source for the device, but there are countless other applications for his powers, technological and otherwise.

Also, as far as space exploration is concerned (since somehow this has become a point of contention), Apocalypse can survive in space, morph into space craft and other advanced machinery, teleport great distances instantaneously, and he doesn't tire. You may not be able to fly or run at light speed (without creative use of his powers), but you could definitely simulate it by rapidly teleporting in any given direction. He can go from Earth to the Moon in a split second afterall. He can cover a lot of ground in a short span of time, even if not in the conventional "Up, Up and Away" fashion.

Apocalypse gets sold very short around here.

Originally posted by batdude123
If he was that powerful, he would've taken over the world a thousand times over.

Except his goal isn't world domination.

Originally posted by illadelph12
but there are countless other applications for his powers, technological and otherwise.

Never said there wasn't.

There's just a power level discrepancy here.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, as far as space exploration is concerned (since somehow this has become a point of contention), Apocalypse can survive in space, morph into space craft and other advanced machinery, teleport great distances instantaneously, and he doesn't tire. You may not be able to fly or run at light speed (without creative use of his powers), but you could definitely simulate it by rapidly teleporting in any given direction. He can go from Earth to the Moon in a split second afterall. He can cover a lot of ground in a short span of time, even if not in the conventional "Up, Up and Away" fashion.

It's fine if you think that, but for practical purposes Superman's power set is much better suited for space exploration.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Apocalypse gets sold very short around here.

And in this thread he's being wanked.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Except his goal isn't world domination.

"He would've achieved his idea of a perfect world in which only the strong survive 1000 times over."

Satisfied?

Originally posted by batdude123
"He would've achieved his idea of a perfect world in which only the strong survive 1000 times over."

Satisfied?

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4481/apochistory1ah3.png

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1238/apochistory2lr2.png

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9453/apocnotaconquerorcy9.png

Originally posted by Blair Wind
He's a techno green lantern...or more along the lines of an Engineer with more powers.

Powerwise, he can get creative. On panel evidence suggests he sucks at using said powers ermm

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4481/apochistory1ah3.png

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1238/apochistory2lr2.png

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9453/apocnotaconquerorcy9.png

Lulz. Those two instances are completely counter-intuitive.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lulz. Those two instances are completely counter-intuitive.

Oh, for Pete's sake...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/UncannyX-Men296-12.jpg

Okay? I have no idea why you're showing me these scans.

Originally posted by batdude123
Okay? I have no idea why you're showing me these scans.

... He does not want to rule the world. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
... He does not want to rule the world. Plain and simple.

That's why I changed it to this in the first place:

Originally posted by batdude123
"He would've achieved his idea of a perfect world in which only the strong survive 1000 times over."

Satisfied?

Dick.

Originally posted by batdude123
That's why I changed it to this in the first place:



Dick.

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Originally posted by batdude123
It's fine if you think that, but for practical purposes Superman's power set is much better suited for space exploration.
You mean space lost-ploration?

Well, that was more lame than I expected.

Wouldn't you have trouble navigating?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If He's fighting let's say silver surfer, Surfer is faster for sure from what we've seen. But a smart user of APoc powers could give themselves warp speeds and transportation powers. Hell he'd literally be a living star fleet ship with like other herald powers. HE could pwn the surfer just by wonkeying with his mind and using his exotic powers at the same time.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
You mean space lost-ploration?

Well, that was more lame than I expected.

Wouldn't you have trouble navigating?

Not if we get Superman's knowledge, apparently.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist


Originally posted by batdude123
And in this thread he's being wanked.

Exactly.

Originally posted by batdude123



It's fine if you think that, but for practical purposes Superman's power set is much better suited for space exploration.



Superman would likely need some sort of yellow sunlight emitting contraption while exploring red sun solar systems, if such failed(say while asleep). He'd likely be stranded there forever.

I'd rather have Apoc's powers. Formidability be damned.

What would make Superman's powers more useful than Apocalypse's powers in the real world though? That's the question. Apocalypse can pretty much simulate everything that Superman has as a power in one form or another, and has loads of options Superman does not as well. It seems the argument is moreso against the characterization than the actual abilities.

Putting aside the anti Apocalypse sentiments, what makes Superman's powers more useful than Apocalypse's powers?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
See the problem with fighting apoc is that one would need an insane amount of powers AND power to beat him. Let's say sersi is fighting him. She's slower than he is. She can't transmute him becuz he can control his own molecules and He has TP feats that dwarf hers. Err... I've never seen anything to suggest Sersi is slower than Apocalypse.

She's transmuted Deviants and Eternals, the former being shapeshifters, the latter having control of their selves to the atomic level.

And no he doesn't have telepathic feats that dwarf hers, he barely has telepathic feats. He has one mind reading feat of Ozymandias, and one possible pisblast of Xavier. That is all. Sersi has mindscanned the planet before, and has psiblasted Exodus.

Oh and Apocalypse beat Silver Surfer? Ha.

Apoc > Sersi?

Lulz...

Didn't Apocalypse wake up from his hibernation (well, got 'resurrected' by Cable) and sense that the world's mutant population had been depleted when he returned after House of M? It's not exactly a telepathy feat, but it does show scope and range with his senses.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Superman would likely need some sort of yellow sunlight emitting contraption while exploring red sun solar systems, if such failed(say while asleep). He'd likely be stranded there forever.

Red sun radiation isn't what it used to be against Superman. He's supposedly moved a planet under a red sun, he's fought an entire army of metas ON a red sun, he's survived the supernova of a red sun, he's powered up a machine that had a mass 16x that of Earth's with his heat vision under a red sun, he fought Zod under a red sun and their blows were breaking apart the planet they were standing on, he continued to fight Eradicator after being thrown in a red sun twice, he beat Eclipso who as pumping out red sun radiation and kryptonite radiation all throughout the fight, etc... You get the point.

Escaping a red star system shouldn't be a problem.

Plus, Superman is also powered up by white and blue stars.

Originally posted by illadelph12
What would make Superman's powers more useful than Apocalypse's powers in the real world though? That's the question. Apocalypse can pretty much simulate everything that Superman has as a power in one form or another, and has loads of options Superman does not as well. It seems the argument is moreso against the characterization than the actual abilities.

So Apocalypse can create thunderstorms? biscuits

Originally posted by batdude123
Red sun radiation isn't what it used to be against Superman. He's supposedly moved a planet under a red sun, he's fought an entire army of metas ON a red sun, he's survived the supernova of a red sun, he's powered up a machine that had a mass 16x that of Earth's with his heat vision under a red sun, he fought Zod under a red sun and their blows were breaking apart the planet they were standing on, he continued to fight Eradicator after being thrown in a red sun twice, he beat Eclipso who as pumping out red sun radiation and kryptonite radiation all throughout the fight, etc... You get the point.

Escaping a red star system shouldn't be a problem.

Plus, Superman is also powered up by white and blue stars.



So Apocalypse can create thunderstorms? biscuits

And, yet, was most recently rendered entirely powerless as soon as he arrived on a future earth which sported a red star.

I'm thinking Apocalypse's fans are taking far too many liberties with his technomorphic and physical abilities as depicted on panel, as if there are no limits.

Just because he can turn into a plane and fly away from his exploding base doesn't mean at all that he can turn into a Shi'ar starcruiser that can transcend superluminal velocities.

Just because he can turn his hand into a gun, doesn't mean he can make an Ultimate Nullifier.

I've never seen anything that suggests he could come close to emulating Superman's speed, or even really his strength considering some of the insane strength feats Superman has.

He has access to some Celestial technology, he isn't Arishem.

In a real world setting, I'd much rather have Apoc's, if I could do something about the acidified metal gorilla look.

Originally posted by Soljer
And, yet, was most recently rendered entirely powerless as soon as he arrived on a future earth which sported a red star.

There's more evidence of him being resistant to red sun radiation nowadays vs. him not being resistant.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm thinking Apocalypse's fans are taking far too many liberties with his technomorphic and physical abilities as depicted on panel, as if there are no limits.

My point exactly.

Originally posted by batdude123
There's more evidence of him being resistant to red sun radiation nowadays vs. him not being resistant.

And yet the most recent depiction of Superman vs. red sun radiation shows him having absolutely no resistance.

Corroborated by the red sun watch.

Originally posted by Soljer
And yet the most recent depiction of Superman vs. red sun radiation shows him having absolutely no resistance.

Corroborated by the red sun watch.

Alright? That doesn't erase all of his other showings where it has little to no effect on him. It's called laws of average, and on average Superman is highly resistant.

Btw, I love the whole "I'm a dick" motif. It's very Val-like of you.

Psshaw. Val got that from I, I say! From I!

Originally posted by batdude123
Alright? That doesn't erase all of his other showings where it has little to no effect on him. It's called laws of average, and on average Superman is highly resistant.

Btw, I love the whole "I'm a dick" motif. It's very Val-like of you.

And those other showings don't change the fact that, currently, in both his on-goings, Superman is written with absolutely no resistance to red sun radiation. And, if I recall correctly, we do typically take 'current versions unless otherwise specified.' .

I haven't noticed acting particularly dick-y. Where did that come from?

Ill get complelty off topic now and state that Marvel should finally amp Apoc to a abstract level being.....hes the on character I wish marvel would wank a lot.

Why? He's not the most compelling of characters... imo. Regardless of his abilities.

Well,few abstracts are...

C'mon, he was a badass villian in the animated series...he deserves the amp of all of marvels characters.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Well,few abstracts are... Well lowish-herald characters can be...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
C'mon, he was a badass villian in the animated series...he deserves the amp of all of marvels characters. I agree. I'd like to see Apoc be a non-failure too (aside from in the Age of Apocalypse timeline.)

I mean, look at those cute blue lips. blushing

lol yeah, shame how marvel has made him the X-mens whipping boy..how the mighty have fallen.

Originally posted by Soljer
And those other showings don't change the fact that, currently, in both his on-goings, Superman is written with absolutely no resistance to red sun radiation. And, if I recall correctly, we do typically take 'current versions unless otherwise specified.' .

This argument would actually hold weight if they were different versions of the same character. They aren't, so it doesn't.

I brought up 7 instances just off the top of my head to your 2. I'll even throw in another one:

Ruin blasts Superman with red sun radiation only to have it filtered out of his body in mere moments. Kal then proceeds to own him.

Using averages counts for more than approaching it from a narrow-minded perspective.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why? He's not the most compelling of characters... imo. Regardless of his abilities. He has a deeper storyline than most. He's not compelling because he's a loser.

Originally posted by batdude123
This argument would actually hold weight if they were different versions of the same character. They aren't, so it doesn't.

I brought up 7 instances just off the top of my head to your 2. I'll even throw in another one:

Ruin blasts Superman with red sun radiation only to have it filtered out of his body in mere moments. Kal then proceeds to own him.

Using averages counts for more than approaching it from a narrow-minded perspective.

Pretending that more recent showings do not retroactively override older ones isn't using 'averages,' it's using wishful thinking.