The Dead Walk_Registration

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Swimming Bird
June 17, 2013. An unknown virus breaks out and seems to bring the dead back to life. Though nothing is known about the disease, reports from all over the world are coming in, of psychotic actions resulting from the infected people. The disease is like nothing we've ever seen before and no successful attempts at making a cure have come out of our research. With no hope of a cure in sight, we are quarantining the entire state of Wisconsin. This is only hour three. Tune in later for a further update.

In this zombie survival, you aren't just moving from place to survive, you will secure a set location. I've been lenient in the past about what can happen, but in this RP, you will have to be in the mall that everyone else is in and you can not be a zombie. It may seem cliche about survivors of a zombie outbreak being stuck in a mall, but honestly, this RP is about the CONFLICT and RELATIONSHIPS of the actual survivors as they dive into the outbreak. This will also start from hour one of the outbreak and be based around the survivors who were basically forced to flee to the mall as a last resort.

Name:
Age:
Former Profession:
Build:
Height:
Weight:
Clothing:
Likes:
Dislikes:
Abilities:
Disabilities:

Rules-
1.) No going Rambo on the zombies.
2.) No going outside of the mall.
3.) No weapons more usual than a pistol or shotgun.
4.) Please oh please no OOC fighting. That killed most of my other RPs.
5.) Enjoy

Name: Jacob Book
Age: 26
Former Profession: Marine Sergeant
Build: Tall, Muscular.
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 236
Clothing: Marine fatigues.
Likes: Weaponry, team mates, ice cream, hardcore music.
Dislikes: Zombies, hunger, peaceniks
Abilities: Good eyesight, never crushes under pressure.
Disabilities: Mentally unstable at times, Easily distracted by music.

Matroshka
Name: Ark Thompson
Age: 23
Former Profession: Bartender
Build: Meduim in size some what tall
Height: 5"11
Weight: 187
Clothing: red T-Shirt, black pants and a green jacket
Likes: Books , Video Games , Weapons
Dislikes: B!tches, Nasty Drunks, Rude people
Abilities: very fast runner, very stong even though he doesnt look it. Good hearing.
Disabilities: Eye sight declining , sprained ankle

Swimming Bird
These are what we are watching on the news

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RXHxIyUex3o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bxHa1XlL1pc&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QdRb35j9PVA&feature=related

The big EH
you really like the zombie games eh.... i might join

Swimming Bird
just a little

The big EH
lol i think every rp youve made has been a zombie one

Swimming Bird
indeed

Matroshka
;P

SceneReactionx
Name:
Camille lynn.

Age:
22

Former Profession:
Game desiner.

Build:
Tiny around the waste and very slim,but has strong mucales in arms and thighs.

Height:
5'0

Weight:
99.5 lbs

Clothing:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z158/heartlessraynedark/anime/hi-2.jpg

Likes:
Mucie,people,life,partys,games,fashon and others

Dislikes:
Jerks,show offs,stupied people,

Abilities:
Fast runing,hearing,fist fighting,plans,others.

Disabilities:
Right hand,eye sight((in real life -.-)),jumps,breathing,heart

The big EH
it's says on the pic her names kisumi :P
i'll make one soon

SceneReactionx
Originally posted by The big EH
it's says on the pic her names kisumi :P
i'll make one soon

Don't hate on my random pic a pic skill stick out tongue.

The big EH
i just noticed this sounds very familar to a game i played....
Name: James Rezner
Age: 27
Former Profession: special ops commander
Build: muscular
Height: 6'1
Weight: average
Clothing: picture except jeans and no choker, and shirt buttonned up
Likes: woman, music, video games, computers
Dislikes: zombies, spinache, zombies, assholes(not anatomically), zombies (anatomically)
Abilities: fighter, lover, saying hey chicka bum bum
Disabilities: can be impulsive at time.... i really cant think of anything legit for these
weapons: spartan laser stick out tongue no really an automatic shotgun, and chainsaw which he finds in the mall

The big EH
i'm gonna make minor characters that will die to if thats alright?

SceneReactionx
You ruined "bow chicka bow wow ,..wow wow!" :[.

Lol

The big EH
no i didnt, the people who made that popular (rooster teeth) had a stupid character named "caboose" say it after making a dirty joke (one of the other chracters says bow chika wow wow after every dirty joke...he literally says it 20 times in a five minute episode once) so there i have no idea what i just said

SceneReactionx
Haha,but i find bow chicka wow wow alot better then the other one though,i mean ,don't you ?

MadMel
Originally posted by The big EH
no i didnt, the people who made that popular (rooster teeth) had a stupid character named "caboose" say it after making a dirty joke (one of the other chracters says bow chika wow wow after every dirty joke...he literally says it 20 times in a five minute episode once) so there i have no idea what i just said
"well, i got the sniper rifle and i accidently unloaded a round into her ass"
"hey chicka bum bum"
"caboose! what did i tell you about that!"
"sorry!"
laughing
priceless
GO RVB!!
and yes, i will make my char shortly erm

The big EH
ya caboose

Swimming Bird
characters are green across the borders. and about the chainsaw, you're not going to have many chances to use it until we have to head into the parking garage.

MadMel
Name: alexander brok "alex" for short
Age: 26
Former Profession: unknown (street racer)
Build: lean and fit
Height: 6'2'
Weight: unknown
Clothing: faded blue jeans, grey/black t-shirt (usually with a swear on them stick out tongue)
Likes: money, women, cars and racing
Dislikes: zombies, losing races and losing money
Abilities: expert driver, keen eyes and reflexes
Disabilities: swears a lot, tends to go rushing into situations without thinking them through..
weapon: whatever the mall provides, dead rising style evil face

The big EH
dude i totally just showed p some annoying extremely controlling noob and an oxy-moron

Matroshka
O and heres the picture of my character if anyone is interested in knowing

SceneReactionx
*Yawns*

Some one come and get me when this RP starts :].

SoylentBlue
Oh, right, I joined this way back when, didn't I? Here goes...


Name: Damien Flint
Age: 58
Former Profession: Mechanic
Build: Lean, work-produced, stocky muscle-tone somehwat weakened with age.
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 83kg
Clothing: Old jacket, dark shirt and grease-stained trousers; fingerless gloves and old baseball-cap. Old but sturdy workman's shoes.
Likes: working with his hands, smoking cigarettes, conversation
Dislikes: lazy people, liars, not having something to do.
Abilities: Excellent mechanic/handyman, empathic with other people's problems.
Disabilities: Decreased physical ability due to age, addiction to cigarettes.

Lady Fox
Originally posted by The big EH
i'm gonna make minor characters that will die to if thats alright?

What fun is that? no expression

android217
Name: Jordan Holder
Age: 26
Former profession: Rookie officer
Build: Medium sized
Height: 5''11'
Weight: 197 lbs
Clothing: Police uniform
Likes: Keeping the peace, being in control, having a trusty weapon
Dislikes: Getting shot, bit, scratched, hates smokers
Abilities: Quick thinking
Disabilities: Inexpierenced, shaking hands

SoylentBlue
Originally posted by The big EH
dude i totally just showed p some annoying extremely controlling noob and an oxy-moron

Wrong topic....?

Lady Fox
Name: Aki Lionmane
Age: 32
Former Profession: Snake trainer/hunter
Build: Average, but vaugly above average muscular for a woman her age.
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 80kg
Clothing: Leather and light clothing, out of habit from her snake career.
Likes: Reptiles (Possibly more than humans), apples, juice of all kind, games and a heated debate.
Dislikes: Arrogance, animal cruelty, selfless people and cocky girls.
Abilities: A will of steel, alchemy/biology, animal behaviour, psychological analytics and engineering to a large degree.
Disabilities: Uneased with guns, unexperienced around actual people and has a bad temper.



http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h182/bonnie_anna92/anime/girls/Mistress-of-the-Snake-II.jpg

Swimming Bird
Role Play is up and running

android217
were is everyone who signed up!? i've been waitin for someone to post!

Swimming Bird
I know man, I hate it when people sign up and then when it finally is posted they never show. lol

Lady Fox
It has been just over an hour no expression

Relaxe, guys.

android217
I RELAX WHEN I WANNA RELAX..... mad

Swimming Bird
Originally posted by Lady Fox
It has been just over an hour no expression

Relaxe, guys.

That's what makes it funny that we are impatient. It hasn't been here long which means that many replies aren't expected. big grin

darkxbox
Name: david fenta ((usual char))
Age: 22
Former Profession: hunter
Build: average
Height: 5 ft 8
Weight: 189
Clothing: orange t-shirt with kakky baggy jeans
Likes: food, weopans, hot chicks, pets
Dislikes: ZOMBIES, fat guys
Abilities: good eye, good with most animals
Disabilities: afraid of heights
weapons: hunting shotgun

SceneReactionx
Originally posted by Lady Fox
It has been just over an hour no expression

Relaxe, guys.

I know right, lmao.
Guysrush to much,am i right ?

WOOT we have anouter girl in this RP. :]

Lady Fox
Who can blame them? Impatience is part of their genes stick out tongue

Yo girly! big grin

SceneReactionx
Originally posted by Lady Fox
Who can blame them? Impatience is part of their genes stick out tongue

Yo girly! big grin

Deffently. :]].


its better to have anouther good rper thats a girl.

MadMel
Originally posted by Swimming Bird
I know man, I hate it when people sign up and then when it finally is posted they never show. lol
im in a different time zone....thats my story and im sticking to it stick out tongue

SceneReactionx
Originally posted by MadMel
im in a different time zone....thats my story and im sticking to it stick out tongue

Ya you are, come to the other half,we got cookies :]

Swimming Bird
OOC here please.

Also, this won't just be all zombie killing, but also it won't just be sitting in a mall waiting to die.

android217
like u said its about making decisions that affect the relationships between the characters not mindless zombie killing

Swimming Bird
but we still get to waste some zombies for fun. Besides, we are in a two story mall with no rules and no law. We can take what we want. Might as well, we are going to be there a while.

android217
swimming you need to take some other people with you to the food court, so more people feel "involved" maybe damien or madmels guy

Swimming Bird
I can't exactly tell them to follow me. It would be better if the guy that is there to ask them to assist me wink haha

darkxbox
can their be girls too eek! just wondering angel alien

darkxbox
also, ill go to the food court with you

Swimming Bird
we have two so far stick out tongue

darkxbox
sweet

Swimming Bird
i guess you could have some npcs, though that would be harder on you lol

Gloomy Ninja
Im thinking of making anouther charter but idk.

Swimming Bird
if you want. I never said you couldn't stick out tongue

Gloomy Ninja
I know.

Gloomy Ninja
Name:
Amber

Age:
21

Former Profession:
Sheff

Build:
Very skinny.

Height:
5.1

Weight:
100lbs

Clothing:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa165/brazzlelove24/anime%20girl/l_21b43e68de28e711978ac401e17b65e6.jpg

Likes:
Camille(as a friend,..there best-friends),games,running, food,and stuff

Dislikes:
Jerks ,show offs,stupid people

Abilities:
Eye sight,and she has feelings about stuff,which turns out to be right.

Disabilities:
Catching stuff,planing out stuff,and others.

Changing Camille's pic
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/DarkPersian479/Other/Lisa/1129350602662.jpg

darkxbox
eek! rolling on floor laughing my chars will be happy wit' dat'. thanks.

darkxbox
Name: carlos denat
Age: 19
Former Profession: davids assistant
Build: average 19 year old
Height: 5 foot 5
Weight: 189
Clothing: gun store shirt with blue jeans
Likes: dogs
Dislikes: being insulted and looked down on
Abilities: okay with a rifle
Disabilities: very sensitive

darkxbox
Originally posted by darkxbox
Name: carlos denat
Age: 19
Former Profession: davids assistant
Build: average 19 year old
Height: 5 foot 5
Weight: 189
Clothing: gun store shirt with blue jeans
Likes: dogs
Dislikes: being insulted and looked down on
Abilities: okay with a rifle
Disabilities: very sensitive

is also friends with camille and amber, if thats okay.

Swimming Bird
This is the other thread people. OOC goes here

Gloomy Ninja
Originally posted by darkxbox
is also friends with camille and amber, if thats okay.

Its ok with me .

The big EH
Originally posted by Gloomy Ninja
Name:
Amber

Age:
21

Former Profession:
Sheff

Build:
Very skinny.

Height:
5.1

Weight:
100lbs

Clothing:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa165/brazzlelove24/anime%20girl/l_21b43e68de28e711978ac401e17b65e6.jpg

Likes:
Camille(as a friend,..there best-friends),games,running, food,and stuff

Dislikes:
Jerks ,show offs,stupid people

Abilities:
Eye sight,and she has feelings about stuff,which turns out to be right.

Disabilities:
Catching stuff,planing out stuff,and others.

Changing Camille's pic
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/DarkPersian479/Other/Lisa/1129350602662.jpg i'm about to go on a gathering run i think i'll make a character

Swimming Bird
If you want to then you are free to at any time

SpadeKing
Originally posted by The big EH
lol i think every rp youve made has been a zombie one

what about... um.... err.... doom i think? or does that count for zombies?

Swimming Bird
50/50? stick out tongue

SpadeKing
jurassic park! eek!

i win herbw00t

android217
will the power go out everynight like on dotd?

Swimming Bird
Well i am going to play it off that the mall has three generators, that are supposed to be switched daily but we ride on one till it goes out.

DarkC
Lemme get this straight, nothing of the survival-horror genre at all?

Swimming Bird
well constant zombie fighting gets old, this way we get to just relax and fight them in various situations.

DarkC
Originally posted by Swimming Bird
well constant zombie fighting gets old, this way we get to just relax and fight them in various situations.
I know, I was wondering in the case if I register, I could possibly make my way to the mall instead of starting out in the mall like everyone else.

As interesting as social fraternizing is, it gets old too.

android217
well if you can stick with it we gunna have a few fight scenes getting to the generator...

Lady Fox
Limited to a mall sucks stick out tongue

DarkC
Originally posted by android217
well if you can stick with it we gunna have a few fight scenes getting to the generator...
Would you kick me out if I registered and made my way to the mall myself?

android217
Name: Pat Neil
Former occupation: Mall security
Age: 54
Weapon: Taser, .357 magnum
Likes: Keeping his mall safe
Dislikes: People messing his mall up

Lady Fox
Originally posted by DarkC
Would you kick me out if I registered and made my way to the mall myself?

Probably not, since android217 did not start in the mall either and he is still in stick out tongue

Swimming Bird
yes you enter by other ways.

and to Ladyfox. Not really, every other zombie rp ended with everyone leaving somewhere else

Lady Fox
It does suck! But I am good at keeping an open mind big grin

android217
Originally posted by Lady Fox
Probably not, since android217 did not start in the mall either and he is still in stick out tongue

I got here when the outbreak was just starting tho... I didn't really have a reason to be there

Lady Fox
Originally posted by android217
I got here when the outbreak was just starting tho... I didn't really have a reason to be there

But you did start outside. Not all people in the city could get to the mall instantly on the breakout stick out tongue

DarkC
Name: Lawrence Kwan
Age: 36
Former Profession: Bodyguard
Build: Slim, but tough.
Height: 6'2
Weight: 217
Clothing: Body-hugging muscle shirt with wool hoodie tied around waist. Baggy khaki pants.
Likes: Strong-minded women. Adrenaline rushes.
Dislikes: Ignorance. Egotistical people. Selfishness.
Abilities: 6 years experience in MMA. Sharpshooter. Very observant/careful.
Disabilities: Allergic to nuts. Stiff left foot.

android217
I didn't get here instantly I described the entire drive there... including the crash right down the street from the mall... And Jacob started outside the mall...

Swimming Bird
in the RP all you are going to do is prove that nothing can happen to Amber unless Camille gives the go ahead lol.

An NPC on the other hand can get infected at your choice. No actual players though stick out tongue

Lady Fox
Originally posted by android217
I didn't get here instantly I described the entire drive there... including the crash right down the street from the mall... And Jacob started outside the mall...

Precisely. So no harm done if DarkC does too.

android217
Well this happens on alot of zombie movies where they have a scratched or bitten person... But who can trust her... I'm not saying that she really is infected.... she could be... she's showing some problems




But now the zombies are completely surrounding the mall.... when I got here there was only one or two... the only way he could get in now is the parking garage which one of the guys smashed open

Check mate

Lady Fox
Originally posted by android217
But now the zombies are completely surrounding the mall.... when I got here there was only one or two... the only way he could get in now is the parking garage which one of the guys smashed open

Check mate

Roof, sewers, ventilation system, basement, sky, car, tank and I got more from where that came from wink

android217
Vents- crawling with zombies, sky- unless he knows how to fly a helicopter, but that would ruin the rp cuz we'd fly away orrr he could land a 747 on the mall, sewers- crawling with zombies do to construction on the sewers, tank- would ruin rp, really cheap too, or he could crash into the glass doors!

and don't get me wrong I want him to play, but he needs to enter through the parking garage

Lady Fox
Originally posted by android217
Vents- crawling with zombies, sky- unless he knows how to fly a helicopter, but that would ruin the rp cuz we'd fly away orrr he could land a 747 on the mall, sewers- crawling with zombies do to construction on the sewers, tank- would ruin rp, really cheap too, or he could crash into the glass doors!

and don't get me wrong I want him to play, but he needs to enter through the parking garage

A good roleplayer could get in any of those ways in a good way and still make it "uncheap". You just need to keep an open mind and have a good imagination. The tank could be broken and run on its last drops of fuel? The chopper could crash and there could be a free ventilation system (Not that I see how the zombies could be crawling in there). As for the sewers, what would all the zombies be doing there?


Anyway, what I am trying to say is: Anything is possible if you keep an open mind and a clear path for imagination. When you think about it, there are PLENTY of movies out there with zombies that make absolutely NO SENSE. So what if he happen to slip by an empty ventilation shack? It is not exactly the end of the world.

android217
so a bodyguard that big can drive a tank, by himself i may add, or fly a helicopter, or fit in a vent without making any kind of noise... and there was a big hole in the road that someone said the zombies fell into and got into the sewers.. and the heli coulddddd crash but wouldn't that attract attention from the zombies?




i don't feel like arguing anymore.... up to jacob on how he gets in

Lady Fox
Originally posted by android217
so a bodyguard that big can drive a tank, by himself i may add, or fly a helicopter, or fit in a vent without making any kind of noise... and there was a big hole in the road that someone said the zombies fell into and got into the sewers.. and the heli coulddddd crash but wouldn't that attract attention from the zombies?




i don't feel like arguing anymore.... up to jacob on how he gets in

For all we know, he could have a past in the army, or as a pilot. Being a bodyguard is not simply a profession of its own that you simply start working with. It require a well merited background. And I am sure zombies fell into the sewers, but there is more than one sewer path in a city, if you know geographics to a good enough extent.

And the heli could crash, but how would the zombies reach the roof from the ground?


Me neither. Just pointing out that nothing is impossible.

DarkC
I'll enter through the parking garage, happy?

Lady Fox
I would be happy even if you entered trough the wall at the front stick out tongue

DarkC
Yeah, well...gotta keep the whiners happy. >.>

Gloomy Ninja
People make such a fuss,let the poor lad enter where he please,since the fact hes been here longer then you,and proble 10x better then all of us.
Maybe some of us should take after him,and post LONGER!!!
Gzzzz

android217
god does everyone like to team up on me? wat ever he can do wat he wants.... and theres not much to post on ninja

Gloomy Ninja
Its not just you,your doing better,but darkxbox i mean people in this rp post 5 words thats it,its anoying..and lakes rp skills.

The big EH
sorry if i'm like that the first couple rps i was in if you posted to long there would be a bunch of other stuff already posted, kinda just got used to it

Gloomy Ninja
Originally posted by The big EH
sorry if i'm like that the first couple rps i was in if you posted to long there would be a bunch of other stuff already posted, kinda just got used to it

I find you a good rper.

The big EH
alright *jackson pop and spin* wahow *spins then moonwalks while fireworks go off in the background* ohmy god my hair it's on fire!

Swimming Bird
IMPORTANT

When you are ready to continue to the next day, just say that your character went to sleep somewhere. If you don't want them to sleep then just say they prepared to stay up all night or something.

Lady Fox
Originally posted by android217
god does everyone like to team up on me? wat ever he can do wat he wants.... and theres not much to post on ninja

There is always something to post about. I will prove it stick out tongue

As for teaming up against you, do not take it personal. It is just that you made such big deal out of nothing and people wanted to defend the guy and let him join as he wish smile

Lady Fox
Originally posted by android217
and theres not much to post on ninja

There, I made a 6 paragraph and one sentence post.... about a car.


With my point being.... the only thing that limit you, is your imagination wink

Swimming Bird
but you wrote it about the Mullatti, a.k.a. waste of money. The BMW 2008 M6 Coupe outdoes it in nearly... everything.

Lady Fox
I just googled for expensive cars and that one came up stick out tongue

android217
shoulda done somethin like a chevelle or a charger or even a firebird maybe a nova... maybe just anything from 67-73

Lady Fox
Should have.. could have.. wasnt..

Swimming Bird
that ould have been a waste of agood charger stick out tongue

Lady Fox
Well, the car I picked IS the most expensive car in the world. That if anything is a waste of money stick out tongue

android217
how much does it sell for?

Gloomy Ninja
Jacob aim plz?

Lady Fox
Originally posted by android217
how much does it sell for?

1.100.000 Euros smile

android217
i thought they used commas in euros like 1,53=1.53

darkxbox
Originally posted by android217
Vents- crawling with zombies, sky- unless he knows how to fly a helicopter, but that would ruin the rp cuz we'd fly away orrr he could land a 747 on the mall, sewers- crawling with zombies do to construction on the sewers, tank- would ruin rp, really cheap too, or he could crash into the glass doors!

and don't get me wrong I want him to play, but he needs to enter through the parking garage

if the vents are crawling with zombies then how did my chars get from the gun shop to the food court by going through the vent system. the zombies were crowded around the front of our store so we had to blockade the door.

darkxbox
Originally posted by Gloomy Ninja
Its not just you,your doing better,but darkxbox i mean people in this rp post 5 words thats it,its anoying..and lakes rp skills.

i just cant find a reason to post longer. i usually post long only when im in a fight or something. not during conversations. my char doesnt like to speak or post his mind. hes very secretive.anyway, im new and like to keep everything together when it starts to fall apart. i just dont have time to read twenty paragraphs of text.

android217
Originally posted by darkxbox
if the vents are crawling with zombies then how did my chars get from the gun shop to the food court by going through the vent system. the zombies were crowded around the front of our store so we had to blockade the door.


you said you were clearing zombies out of the vents... but this conversations been long dead so does it matter if you did or didn't?

darkxbox
we left the shop through the vents. they were in front of the shops door.

DarkC
How would zombies manage to get in through vents?

Swimming Bird
They wouldn't be able to. that is also why ladders are our best defense hahaha

darkxbox
Originally posted by Swimming Bird
((Video two in sign up))

"Sorry to burst your bubble but, Instanbul, England, and China all reported the infection reaching them by hour ten... watch the news before you try to give good news." Jacob got up and walked over to the one of the food shops.
sorry but it wouldn't be able to get oversees unless it was airborn. if it was we'd already be infected.

Swimming Bird
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RXHxIyUex3o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bxHa1XlL...feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QdRb35j9...feature=related


Ah but there is one very important detail. We don't know how it started, and the chances of it starting here alone are slim. ((I was really gunna go uncreative and say a boat of refugees spread it there in england.))

android217
it could have gone airborn and we were immune to air only

darkxbox
gettin off now

SpadeKing
sorry bout the post I left my friend alone on my computer...

SoylentBlue
Aw, crap. I've fallen behind massively. Damn school...

Maybe I should drop out, since trying to force my way back into the RP would just make for mass-awkwardness.

SpadeKing
thats why i don't join anymore ermm

Gloomy Ninja
New myspace.
www.myspace.com/all_hearts_need_a_beat

Get at it doll faces:]

SpadeKing
ew you're 97?

Darth Extecute
Is this dying already? Because I had plans in joining, but wont join a near-death experience..

DarkC
Looks kinda like it. Which sucks, since the first horror-survival genre RP I join dies shortly after.

Darth Extecute
Pity.. I was interested

Swimming Bird
it died because no one will post. So basically the story can't go on

SpadeKing
kill everyone off and make a novel ermm

SoylentBlue
On the other hand, was it really that realistic/interesting to have little more than a bunch of soldiers/cops and bishoujo as our survivors...?

Swimming Bird
you raise a good point

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