ESB and ANH question
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DiEbyDaGuNZ
I have a couple questions:
Why doesn't Chewie get a medal at the end of ANH?? and...
Why did Darth vader first try to kill luke, and then give him the job offer and revalation?
UnknownBountyHunter
Chewie owes Han a life debt, therefore he can't take credibility for herione actions. Also I don't understand your second question.
Dim
If your talking about when he tryed to shoot down his fighter in ANH then I think Vader didn't know who he was then. After that I think he was just manipulating Luke.
UnknownBountyHunter
I still don't understand, and the first part of your response, Dim, made no sense at all.
Dim
alot of what I say makes no sense...anyway I edited it.
Snarlingcur Matt Dalrymple
I think UBH is right for #1, and Dim is right for #2. Vader was trying to break his will, and open his mind to the dark side at the same time, in the light saber fight on Cloud City.
UnknownBountyHunter
Ahh!! Now I understand the question. Thanx SnarlingCur

DiEbyDaGuNZ
r u guys sure?? or was that jjst trying to explain what dim said?
UnknownBountyHunter
Positive. +
UnknownBountyHunter
No problem.
Xizor
UBH was right for #1, that's what Lucas originally said. Yet after fan outcries and talk of alien descrimination Carrie Fisher presented Chewie with a medal on MTV, that was in 1997 as part of the Special Edition hype. For #2 it was explained in Shadows that despite Vader desperately wanted Luke to join him on the Dark Side he needed to first test his strength in the force before making such a proposal. If Luke could be easily killed there would be no point in converting him.
Xizor
Glad I could help.

DiEbyDaGuNZ
well..ur alwasy helping
Xizor
Thanx. This should be in the OT site.
UnknownBountyHunter
Which is where its going, and don't go into further conversations UNLESS it pertains to the subject.
theEviljedi
I saw that MTV scene.I almost cried,it was so emotional.Just kidding.

Darth Daft
Chewie was just co-pilot, he didn't really do much did he?
And Vader just didn't realise Luke was his son.
theEviljedi
Yeah but it was Chewie who conviced Han to return and help Luke.
Darth Daft
Yeah but I bet the Rebellion didn't know that. I must say that he still deserved the medal though, even if Han did do most of the work (I assume).
theEviljedi
Yeah.I feel bad for that poor Wookie.
Darth Daft
Don't you think Wedge kind of deserved one too? I mean he took part in the battle and I'm pretty sure he saved Luke's life at some point. He certainly should have got one too.
Gundark
Biggs deserved a medal posthumously for taking that last laser blast for Luke that killed him, although they couldn't have done that since they cut the Luke/Biggs reunion scene out of the original version of ep4.
theEviljedi
You can't give a medal to a dead man.You can honor them but you can't give them medals.
Darth Daft
Yes, I agree. That's why Wedge should have also got a medal as he survived. Not because he nessecarily saved anyone or done a great job but because he survived. Any other pilots who survive should get a medal too just for taking part in the succesful battle.
Gundark
Yeah, EJ, I guess thats what I really meant to get across, that Biggs should be at least honored in some way, not necessarily with a medal. Wedge deserves one too, although I would like to point out that in the novel, Chewie does get a medal in the ceremony with Luke and Han.
theEviljedi
That fat dude,Porkins,deserved one too.
Darth Daft
What kind of name is Porkins?
theEviljedi
What kind of name is Qui-Gon?
Darth Daft
I don't think Qui-Gon is that bad. At least its actually Star-Wars-ish. Porkins sounds like a type of food. Pieces of ham dipped in barbecue sauce I reckon.
Gundark
DD, I'm laughing my flippin head off. Qui-Gon is acceptable as a Jedi name, but Porkins sounds like a southern states restaurant chain. "Ya'll come down to Porkins' where you just have to stick your fork in". What a great jingle !!!!
theEviljedi
Amidala isn't quite normal ethier.
Darth Daft
HA HA!

I like your joke, Gundark! Glad you liked mine too.
I think Amidala is fine. It certainly sounds like a name from Naboo.
Gundark
I don't know how George comes up with half these names, yet almost all of them sound just exactly right the first time you hear them. Except some..like...Jar Jar. Or Porkins.

Darth Daft
I write quite a lot of Star Wars novels and I think of names just by randomly punching in a few keys in and then adding in vowels in between the letters.
Dim
I think he takes preexisting names and just sticks in random letters
And I always thought Porkins was goofy too

theEviljedi
I don't like the name Yoda.Sounds to Gundi like to me.

Darth Daft
Yeah I can see why you think that, but I've got so used to the name now that I don't mind it at all. I think Boba doesn't really suit a tough bounty hunter. A boba sounds like a little cuddley furry rodent or something.
theEviljedi
I never really thought about it that way.

Darth Daft
And do you know what Grand Moff Tarkin's name is? WILHUFF!!!

What a dumb name!
Gundark
I didn't like Yoda at first either, but it grew on me. Kind of like, "hey, where's the ointment for that yoda thats growing between my toes"
Darth Daft
I have no idea what you're talking about, Gundark, but I'm sure you're toes are fine.
Anyway, I thought of another name: Jan Dodonna! Ya know, the general in ANH for the Rebellion. Sounds like a girl's name!

Gundark
I've known a Jan that was a guy and three Jans that were girls. Its very confusing. Lets not forget...Greedo !!!!!!
theEviljedi
Wiluf is not a dumb name.It is German.
Darth Daft
Oh right. Sorry UBH....
And as for Greedo, that's a Portugese name, Gundark, so don't make fun of it! j/k
Gundark
Jabba should have been named Greedo. He was the one that wanted the money the whole time.
theEviljedi
Greedo did too.He was a B. Hunter.
Darth Daft
For some reason I could imagine a hutt being called Grabba the Hutt.
Gundark
I loved Pizza the Hutt in spaceballs.
Darth Daft
Yeah and I liked Yoghurt instead of Yoda.
theEviljedi
Again,off topic.

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Darth Daft
Well why don't you say something then that will get us back onto topic then instead of just saying three words.
theEviljedi
There really is nothing more to say about this topic.I would close it but I don't have the power.Until it is closed please don't reply to it.
Darth Daft
Ok then. I understand.
OOPS........

theEviljedi
You did that purposely didn't you Daft?
Darth Daft
Yeah of course I did.
theEviljedi
I'm going to say this ONE more time.Stop Posting on this topic.
Darth Daft
Wait a sec. I ain't doing this for a laugh, EJ, but why do we HAVE to stop talking about the topic just coz its meant to be locked? I mean, I think we should still be entitled to add anything else we may find on the subject even if it does appear to be wrapped up.
Dim
There's no reason to close this topic if you still have more to say one the subject...
EJ...if you don't have something to say then don't post in the topic..end of story.
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