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What fights have taken place with company crossovers or Universe like Wildstorm and D.C, and can any of them be used?

Post some in here if you like. to discuss them.

Here is Hulk Vs GL.

Classic JLA Vs Classic Avengers.

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http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Crossoverfights/Marvel%20Vs%20DC/Classic%20JLA%20Vs%20Classic%20Avengers/9.jpg

So do you think Thor vs Superman can be used in debates?

Superman vs. Thor

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandThorbrawlin.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandThorbrawlin2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandThorbrawlin3.jpg

Thank you.

Do you think that can be used in debates?

Well,the crossover is canon.

But should people be allowed to use it seeing as some hate corssovers all together.

BTW like the MM vs Thor fight? lol

A lot of crossovers are fan voted, and if not generally the outcomes are pre-determined rather than up to the writer's interpretation of the characters. So they call any crossover into some doubt.

I feel like they can be used in instances where the writing seems consistent with each character and their power set. But they are by no means definitive and final.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
A lot of crossovers are fan voted, and if not generally the outcomes are pre-determined rather than up to the writer's interpretation of the characters. So they call any crossover into some doubt.

I feel like they can be used in instances where the writing seems consistent with each character and their power set. But they are by no means definitive and final.

Actually, I talked directly to Kurt Busiek about the Thor/Superman fight. He said that he and his team of writers sat down and all agreed that Superman would win that encounter. It wasn't pre-determined, nor was it company politics.

Giant Man making contact with Flash ?

Cross-Overs = Crap.

Originally posted by *T*

BTW like the MM vs Thor fight? lol

notice Thor is no where to be seen for the rest of the fight?

Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, I talked directly to Kurt Busiek about the Thor/Superman fight. He said that he and his team of writers sat down and all agreed that Superman would win that encounter. It wasn't pre-determined, nor was it company politics. Cool.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
notice Thor is no where to be seen for the rest of the fight?


Just shows how awesome MM is.

Originally posted by Faceman
Giant Man making contact with Flash ?

Cross-Overs = Crap.

He was distracted, it was the only way they could do it so they used some PIS for the fight.

Spiderman Vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, I talked directly to Kurt Busiek about the Thor/Superman fight. He said that he and his team of writers sat down and all agreed that Superman would win that encounter. It wasn't pre-determined, nor was it company politics.

the only porblem i have with that is, that thor fought like a
dumbass and didnt use all his abilities...but later in the comics
he says he has now his measure and a second fight would
have an other outcome.

Originally posted by Arahan
the only porblem i have with that is, that thor fought like a
dumbass and didnt use all his abilities...but later in the comics
he says he has now his measure and a second fight would
have an other outcome. Yeah but when does he fight any different??

Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, I talked directly to Kurt Busiek about the Thor/Superman fight. He said that he and his team of writers sat down and all agreed that Superman would win that encounter. It wasn't pre-determined, nor was it company politics. Of course that can change between writers.

And I don't like crossovers period.

For one the Superman Thor fight was stupid. Superman able catch Thor's blow mind swing, yeah because you know a million high, class 100s haven't tried that and gotten there heads pounded in?


Not to mention there are other highly dubious encounters on both sides in most cross-overs. Captain Marvel(Female Version) beat Green Lantern for crying out loud.

For the record, one guy has caught the hammer and decked Thor afterwards. Count Nefaria. So it's not unprecedented.

And almost no class 100 in Marvel is on Superman's level. doped

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
For the record, one guy has caught the hammer and decked Thor afterwards. Count Nefaria. So it's not unprecedented.

And almost no class 100 in Marvel is on Superman's level. doped

Kurse....
Mangog...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
For the record, one guy has caught the hammer and decked Thor afterwards. Count Nefaria. So it's not unprecedented.

And almost no class 100 in Marvel is on Superman's level. doped Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Kurse, Mangog, Juggernaut, Thanos, Hercules.

Some may not be as strong as Superman but most are Wonder Woman level or stronger. That definitely puts them in his strength range.

Ok, so I exagerated. I did say almost. Plus, Superman has almost infinite capability to get stronger, so he can beat most of these guys in a strength vs. strength match.

Thanos, Kurse, Mangog and Juggs could catch the hammer, I don't see the others doing it.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, so I exagerated. I did say almost. Plus, Superman has almost infinite capability to get stronger, so he can beat most of these guys in a strength vs. strength match.

Thanos, Kurse, Mangog and Juggs could catch the hammer, I don't see the others doing it. Hulk has infinite capacity to get stronger, Thor does as well, so does Juggernaut.

The hero factor isn't always the best evidence to prove a point

And the point was that most people as strong or close to Superman don't just catch the Hammer like Superman did and bash Thor in one punch.

And my biggest point is that the entire issue had large runs of Stupidity throughout. Unless you would willing to say Captain Marvel can beat GL Hal?

writers rarely allow Superman to use his speed in fight..or Thor wouldn't even see him

Thor has matches the speed of someone like Superman before. But this isn't the thread for it.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
writers rarely allow Superman to use his speed in fight..or Thor wouldn't even see him Thor has fought light-speeders with Nano-second reactions before in the Surfer and Gladiator and he handled their speed just fine

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor has fought light-speeders with Nano-second reactions before in the Surfer and Gladiator and he handled their speed just fine Exactly and thats why I sometimes think Thor wins.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor has fought light-speeders with Nano-second reactions before in the Surfer and Gladiator and he handled their speed just fine

except those guys never use their speed in their fights as well

and Im not trying to be biased...cerain powers if used would render a battle moot

just like Thor could BFR most of his enemies...but he never does so. That isn't an argument that he can't do so...just that writers don't want the battles to be so one-sided.

Wrong thread.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
except those guys never use their speed in their fights as well

and Im not trying to be biased...cerain powers if used would render a battle moot

just like Thor could BFR most of his enemies...but he never does so. That isn't an argument that he can't do so...just that writers don't want the battles to be so one-sided. He has fought and blocked attacks by said people when they were nothing but blurs

The Problem with Thor is that he does have advanced reactions and can travel at light speeds himself.

Superman is faster than Thor yes but the margin compared to other people Thor has fought seems minute for the most part. Speed won't be the deciding Factor in this fight. One factor yes bur hardly the thing that gives Superman the win.

What does give Superman the win is that overall he appears to be higher than Thor physically. Although Thor can amp.

Anyway...

I am gonna post the fights from that crossover.

JLA Vs Avengers Fight 1

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http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Crossoverfights/Marvel%20Vs%20DC/JLA%20Avengers/Fight%201/9.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Crossoverfights/Marvel%20Vs%20DC/JLA%20Avengers/Fight%201/10.jpg

JLA Vs Avengers fight 2

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Crossoverfights/Marvel%20Vs%20DC/JLA%20Avengers/Fight%202/1.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Crossoverfights/Marvel%20Vs%20DC/JLA%20Avengers/Fight%202/2.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Crossoverfights/Marvel%20Vs%20DC/JLA%20Avengers/Fight%202/3.jpg
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Originally posted by Newjak
Of course that can change between writers.

And I don't like crossovers period.

For one the Superman Thor fight was stupid. Superman able catch Thor's blow mind swing, yeah because you know a million high, class 100s haven't tried that and gotten there heads pounded in?


Not to mention there are other highly dubious encounters on both sides in most cross-overs. Captain Marvel(Female Version) beat Green Lantern for crying out loud.

Lulz. I knew you'd come in here and ***** about it.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lulz. I knew you'd come in here and ***** about it. And I knew you'd come in here comment on it

We're so predictable. ermmhappy

Originally posted by batdude123
We're so predictable. ermmhappy Yes we are vin



By the way Thor did hit Superman with the Hammer and not an energy attack.

And the sky is like, totally yellow. ermmhappy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EixUZ5bJw

Originally posted by Faceman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EixUZ5bJw





http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandThorbrawlin3.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
And the sky is like, totally yellow. ermmhappy Well then I guess the sky is yellow

Scroll Down the page ab look for the giant pic of Thor whacking Ironman

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=455434&pagenumber=9

Note that when Thor hits Tony with his Hammer Tony not only gets hit but a streak of lighting is following him. That particular trait seems familiar.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well then I guess the sky is yellow

Scroll Down the page ab look for the giant pic of Thor whacking Ironman

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=455434&pagenumber=9

Note that when Thor hits Tony with his Hammer Tony not only gets hit but a streak of lighting is following him. That particular trait seems familiar.



Hmm... true. However, that's Current Thor. He could possibly still have the Odin Force within him.

Anyway, in the Superman/Thor encounter, what Thor did was off panel. Could've been either/or.

Originally posted by batdude123
Hmm... true. However, that's Current Thor. He could possibly still have the Odin Force within him.

Anyway, in the Superman/Thor encounter, what Thor did was off panel. Could've been either/or. Still you gotta admit if all Thor did was hit Superman with his Hammer than Superman cheap-shotted Thor

And I there is no indication this Thor still has the Odin Force.

Originally posted by Newjak
Still you gotta admit if all Thor did was hit Superman with his Hammer than Superman cheap-shotted Thor

Not at all... and I really don't wish to delve into why it wasn't a cheap shot with you.

Originally posted by Newjak
And there is no indication this Thor still has the Odin Force.

There's no indication of him not having the Odin Force either. Since we last saw Thor w/ the Odin Force, I wouldn't say it's a stretch to think that he has it now.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not at all... and I really don't wish to delve into why it wasn't a cheap shot with you.



There's no indication of him not having the Odin Force either. Since we last saw Thor w/ the Odin Force, I wouldn't say it's a stretch to think that he has it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Your only reason for it not being a cheap-shot just went out the window B-dude

Umm, if you go by that logic batdude. Then wouldn't Thor still have two eyes made out of gems?

Heck Thor even tells Tony that he simply isn't holding back.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Your only reason for it not being a cheap-shot just went out the window B-dude

I can give you plenty of reasons why it wasn't a cheap shot, NJ. But once again, I hardly feel like getting into such a trivial matter.

Originally posted by Newjak
Umm, if you go by that logic batdude. Then wouldn't Thor still have two eyes made out of gems?

Heck Thor even tells Tony that he simply isn't holding back.

"Not holding back" doesn't mean that he lacks the OF.

We'll see where his power level is in the next few issues.

Yeah, saying Superman cheap-shotted Thor isn't really accurate at all.

Thor cheap-shotting Superman on the other hand...

Somehow this has turned into another Superman vs. Thor thread..Will these debates never stop ?

Yeah take it to the right thread.

Oh and I saw no cheap shot accept in 1#.

Originally posted by Accel
Yeah, saying Superman cheap-shotted Thor isn't really accurate at all.

Thor cheap-shotting Superman on the other hand... It's just a joke.

I keep telling Batdude that the only reason Superman won was because Thor was trying to fight H2H with Superman to be honorable, and Superman on his back cheap shotted Thor with his Heat Vision and that is why Superman won.

Personally I think it is just a pile of junk comic book throughout. In reality.

Of course Batdude thinks that Superman wins because 10/10 because Superman is to fast for Thor. Despite Thor already fighting people as fast or faster than Superman. Both in speed and reaction time

But like I said first. I don't think Crossovers should be used in debates at all.

Why because 2 things end up happening in crossovers:

1) Company Bias can show through, just flat out Writer Bias.


2) The fights are often too short to convey an accurate battle between two people. In short a lot of PIS takes place. For instance Silver Surfer in one cross-over was able to undo what Mxy had done to Metropolis easily.

To be fair we also see Superman get hit by energy as well

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandThorbrawlin2.jpg

First box of 2nd page.

What was the Spider-Man Batman cross over, did it have something to do with the Joker and Carnage?

Originally posted by Newjak
Of course Batdude thinks that Superman wins because 10/10 because Superman is to fast for Thor. Despite Thor already fighting people as fast or faster than Superman. Both in speed and reaction time

You really don't get it, do you?

Originally posted by Newjak
1) Company Bias can show through, just flat out Writer Bias.

Kurt Busiek has written for Thor, Superman, Avengers, and JLA. He's about as non-biased of a writer that could've been chosen to handle that fight.

I agree the length of it sucked. However, he still conveyed his intentions in that fight. Superman>Thor.

Originally posted by batdude123
You really don't get it, do you?



Kurt Busiek has written for Thor, Superman, Avengers, and JLA. He's about as non-biased of a writer that could've been chosen to handle that fight.

I agree the length of it sucked. However, he still conveyed his intentions in that fight. Superman>Thor. I get it I just think you don't

So then I guess Giantman can hit Flash.

Captain Marvel(Female Version) can drain Hal Jordan.

Wonderman can beat Hal Jordan

etc,etc,etc

Newjak, please stop being such a biased Thor fanboy, thank you.

We have reason to believe that Thor has been restored to his classic strength level because his costume has changed, his eyes have been restored and he doesn't employ runes or directly use the Odin Force.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Newjak, please stop being such a biased Thor fanboy, thank you. Um I believe I'm the one here trying to say the entire comic book was junk including the PIS events that took place on both sides. Not just Thor.

Unless you are willing to say Wonderman can beat Hal Jordan.

Or Tony Stark is a better builder than Batman.

Or that Ironman can hurt Superman with his Blasts.

Or that Radioactive Man can beat Superman



Or I think you get my point

And by the way Thor has already fought Speedsters as fast or faster than Superman in speed and reaction time

Originally posted by *T*
To be fair we also see Superman get hit by energy as well

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandThorbrawlin2.jpg

First box of 2nd page.



To be fair I don't see any energy around Supes, I see the energy coming from THOR's Hammer as it's swinging around.

Originally posted by *T*
To be fair we also see Superman get hit by energy as well

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandThorbrawlin2.jpg

First box of 2nd page. I know but I was doing that for fun.

PS I've already shown that when Thor hits people with his hammer a trail lightning can be seen after the person is knocked back

Originally posted by Newjak


And by the way Thor has already fought Speedsters as fast or faster than Superman in speed and reaction time

You keep on pointing out that Thor has faced speedsters as evidence for his superspeed. But you can see why that is so faulty logic.

Because by that logic, every one of Flash's enemies have superspeed reaction, and we know that's not true.

When Thor fights speedsters, they don't speedblitz him...hence why he can fight them at all.

Proof of Thor's speed would be an example of THOR using superspeed in a fight....merely fighting against an opponent capable of superspeed isn't proof that Thor is fast.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
You keep on pointing out that Thor has faced speedsters as evidence for his superspeed. But you can see why that is so faulty logic.

Because by that logic, every one of Flash's enemies have superspeed reaction, and we know that's not true.

When Thor fights speedsters, they don't speedblitz him...hence why he can fight them at all.

Proof of Thor's speed would be an example of THOR using superspeed in a fight....merely fighting against an opponent capable of superspeed isn't proof that Thor is fast. Except he blocked an attack from a blurred Silver Surfer, and Gladiator speedblitzed him.

And I was never trying to say Thor is as fast as Superman just that Superman's speed isn't anything Thor hasn't seen or dealt with before, and isn't the deciding factor in their fight.

Superman's overall physical superiority maybe but not just his speed.

but has Thor ever been show as a blur himself...that would be the only affirmative proof that he can be fast in a fight. Anyways, I'll agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
but has Thor ever been show as a blur himself...that would be the only affirmative proof that he can be fast in a fight. Anyways, I'll agree to disagree. Actually in fights he has been shown to be a blur while swinging his Hammer

In fact he has dealt with people before using his superior reflexes. No on Glads or Surfer's levels but still people tend to think he is slow. He isn't he is fast.


And I would also like to point out that the reason I say Superman's speed isn't the deciding Factor is that Thor has counters to speed. He one got away from some one who could travel FTL by simply teleporting.

He has shield and attacks that can hit from multiple directions. Now in a straight H2H fight Thor would probably find it difficult to keep up with Superman, but like I said he does have options. around that gap.

Originally posted by batdude123


"Not holding back" doesn't mean that he lacks the OF.

We'll see where his power level is in the next few issues.

Tony comments "You've been working out" (which implies you've increased in power/strength)

Thor replies, "No. The only difference is in this time, and this place Im not holding back"

IMO that clearly shows he does not have the Odinforce, rather he is unleashing the full potential of his normal power.